King Tut's face unveiled to world

[annabanana]

Does anyone else think he looks a little like Barbra Streisand?



Archaeologists took the mummy from its stone sarcophagus and placed it in a climate-controlled case inside his tomb in Luxor's Valley of the Kings.

~snip~

The move is part of a plan to protect the remains. Archaeologists say they are under threat from the heat and the humidity brought into the tomb by the vast numbers of tourists visiting each year.

The golden boy has magic and mystery and therefore every person all over the world will see what Egypt is doing to preserve the golden boy, and all of them I am sure will come to see the golden boy," Egypt's antiquities chief Zahi Hawass told reporters before the body was moved.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Nope, not African enuf. n/t

[annabanana]

2. Thousands of years of Macedonian inbreeding will do that...n/t

[Fridays Child]

7. You could be right but the golden mask looks more African than the model.

Even the mummified remains of his face look more African than the model.

[zalinda]

14. Part of the problem is how the photos are taken

When taken straight from the front, the angle of the nose cannot be seen. When there is somewhat of a side view you can see that the nose has a curve to it. I think that makes the biggest difference.

zalinda

[CatWoman]

9. yes, people mistakenly think Cleopatra was Egyptian

while she was in fact Macedonian.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Cleopatra was 100% Egyptian.

But yes, she was descended from Macedonians. About 13 generations or so removed.

[ThePowerofWill]

12. King Tut was waaaaay before the Ptolemy's

Or Macedonia's as you call it. About 1,100yrs as a mater of fact.

However the Egyptians seem to have had a mixed look to them. Some art works portrays a more "African" (whatever that is) look, while others have more of a Semitic look. They portrayed the Nubian's as Black as night, and themselves more reddish brown color wise for a color reference.

[devilgrrl]

5. What's African enough?

eom

[Fredda Weinberg]

26. The model's lips aren't as full as I've seen n/t

[Toots]

35. By African I presume you mean Black

Arabs are also African and Egypt is an Arab nation.

[Fredda Weinberg]

37. No, I mean African. The maghreb ain't the sahel n/t

[Ellen Forradalom]

3. Dig the Amy Winehouse eye makeup.

[uppityperson]

10. Amazing what today's technology can tell us.

[Yupster]

18. Very true

U just read something about Neanderthals having been found to have the gene giving them red and blonde hair. Amazing what we're learning all the time. Wish I was born 100 years from now.

[whistle]

34. Be careful what you wish for, it may just happen

http://www.harekrishna.com/col/books/KR/cb/

[whistle]

4. Wow, he looks like someone I know

[devilgrrl]

8. He reminds me of Jaye Davidson from 'The Crying Game'

or Jimi Mistri from 'The Guru'

[Deja Q]

6. GAAH! Who turned into a pillar of salt for committing sacrilege?!

:wow:

[malaise]

16. Should have been the British criminals who cut him up to steal the

gold and other precious metals.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

11. Looks more like David Schwimmer than Barbra

http://news.bbc.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/olmedia/1890000/images/_1892836_davidfriends.jpg

[NorthernSpy]

13. he looks Somali...

Which is appropriate enough, what with Egypt being part of East Africa.

[NOLALady]

15. Iman is from Somali?

[Lorien]

19. Iman is from Somalia:

Iman (born July 25, 1955 in Mogadishu, Somalia as Iman Abdulmajid, Somali: Iimaan Cabdimajiid)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Abdulmajid

[JI7]

27. is Egypt considered Africa geographically but Arab ethnically ?

[NorthernSpy]

36. It wasn't Arab yet in King Tut's day...

That came later.

[whistle]

17. Way way back in time...an attempt to define the origin of ancient Egyptians

<snip>
Origin of the Ancient Egyptians
by Cheikh Anta Diop

The general acceptance, as a sequel to the work of Professor Leakey, of the hypothesis of mankind's monogenetic and African origin, makes it possible to pose the question of the peopling of Egypt and even of the world in completely new terms. More than 150,000 years ago, beings morphologically identical with the man of today were living in the region of the great lakes at the sources of the Nile and nowhere else. This notion, and others which it would take too long to recapitulate here, form the substance of the last report presented by the late Dr. Leakey at the Seventh Pan-African Congress of Pre-History in Addis Ababa in 1971.1 It means that the whole human race had its origin, just as the ancients had guessed, at the foot of the mountains of the Moon. Against all expectations and in defiance of recent hypotheses it was from this place that men moved out to people the rest of the world. From this two facts of capital importance result:

(a) of necessity the earliest men were ethnically homogeneous and negroid. Gloger's law, which
would also appear to be applicable to human beings, lays it down that warm-blooded animals evolving in a warm humid climate will secrete a black pigment (eumelanin).2 Hence if mankind originated in the tropics around the latitude of the great lakes, he was bound to have brown pigmentation from the start and and it was by differentiation in other climates that the original stock later split into different races;

(b) there were only two routes available by which these early men could move out to people the other continents, namely, the Sahara and the Nile valley. It is the latter region which will be discussed here.

From the Upper Palaeolithic to the dynastic epoch, the whole of the river's basin was taken over progressively by these negroid peoples.


<snip to end>
Conclusion

The structure of African royalty, with the king put to death, either really or symbolically, after a reign which varied in length but was in the region of eight years, recalls the ceremony of the Pharaoh's regeneration through the Sed feast. Also reminiscent of Egypt are the circumcision rites mentioned earlier and the totemism, cosmogonies, architecture, musical instruments, etc., of Africa.71 Egyptian antiquity is to African culture what Graceo-Roman antiquity is to Western culture. The building up of a corpus of African humanities should be based on this fact.

It will be understood how difficult it is to write such a chapter in a work of this kind, where euphemism and compromise are the rule. In an attempt to avoid sacrificing scientific truth, therefore, we made a point of suggesting three preliminaries to the preparation of this volume, all of which were agreed to at the plenary session held in 1971. 72 The first two led to the holding of the Cairo Symposium from 28 January to 3 February 1974. 73 In this connection I should like to refer to certain passages in the report of that symposium. Professor Vercoutter, who had been commissioned by Unesco to write the introductory report, acknowledged after a thorough discussion that the conventional idea that the Egyptian population was equally divided between blacks, whites and half-castes could not be upheld.. 'Professor Vercoutter agreed that no attempt should be made to estimate percentages, which meant nothing, as it was impossible to establish them without reliable statistical data'. On the subject of Egyptian culture: 'Professor Vercoutter remarked that, in his view, Egypt was African in its way of writing, in its cullture and in its way of thinking'.

Professor Lecant, for his part, 'recognized the same African character in the Egyptian temperament and way of thinking'.

In regard to linguistics, it is stated in the report that 'this item, in contrast to those previously discussed, revealed a large measure of agreement among the participants. The outline by Professor Diop and the report by Professor Obenga were regarded as being very constructive'.

Similarly, the symposium rejected the idea that Pharaonic Egyptian was a Semitic language. 'Turning to wider issues, Professor Sauneron drew attention to the interest of the method suggested by Professor Obenga following Professor Diop. Egyptian remained a stable language for a period of at least 4500 years. Egypt was situated at the point of convergence of outside influences and it was to be expected that borrowing had been made from foreign languages, but the Semitic roots numbered only a few hundred as compared with a total of several thousand words. The Egyptian language could not be isolated from its African context and its origin could not be fully explained in terms of Semitic, it was thus quite normal to expect to find related languages in Africa'.

The genetic, that is, non-accidental relationship between Egyptian and the African languages was recognized: 'Professor Sauneron noted that the method which had been used was of considerable interest, since it could not be purely fortuitous that there was a similarity between the third person singular suffixed pronouns in Ancient Egyptian and in Wolof, he hoped that an attempt would be made to reconstitute a palaeo-African language, using present-day languages as a starting point'.

In the general conclusion to the report it was stated that: 'Although the preparatory working paper sent out by Unesco gave particulars of what was desired, not all participants had prepared communications comparable with the painstakingly researched contributions of Professors Cheikh Anta Diop and Obenga. There was consequently a real lack of balance in the discussions'.

A new page of African historiography was accordingly written in Cairo. The symposium recommended that further studies be made on the concept of race. Such studies have since been carried out, but they have not contributed anything new to the historical discussion. They tell us that molecular biology and genetics recognize the existence of populations alone, the concept of race being no longer meaningful. Yet whenever there is any question of the transmission of a hereditary taint, the concept of race in the most classic sense of the term comes into its own again, for genetics tells us that 'sickle-cell anaemia occurs only in negroes'. The truth is that all these 'anthropologists' have already in their own minds drawn the conclusions deriving from the triumph of the monogenetic theory of mankind without venturing to put them into explicit terms, for if mankind originated in Africa, it was necessarily negroid becoming white through mutation and adaptation at the end of the last glaciation in Europe in the Upper Palaeolithic; and is not more understandable why the Grimaldian negroids first occupied Europe for 10,000 years before Cro-Magnon Man-the prototype of the white race-appeared (around -2,000).

The idealogical standpoint is also evident in apparently objective studies. In history and in social relations, it is the phenotype, that is, the individual or the people as that individual or people is perceived, which is the dominant factor, as opposed to the genotype. For present-day genetics, a Zulu with the 'same' genotype as Vorster is not impossible. Does this mean that the history we are witnessing will put the two phenotypes, that is, the two individuals, on the same footing in all their national and social activities? Certainly not -- the opposition will remain not social but ethnic.

This study makes it necessary to rewrite world history from a more scientific standpoint, taking into account the Negro-African component which was for a long time preponderant. It means that it is now possible to build up a corpus of Negro-African humanities resting on a sound historical basis instead of being suspended in mid-air. Finally, if it is true that only truth is revolutionary, it may be added that only rapprochement brought about on a basis of truth can endure. The cause of human progress is not well served by casting a veil over the fact.

The rediscovery of the true past of the African peoples should not be a divisive factor but should contribute to uniting them, each and all, binding them together from the north to the south of the continent so as to enable them to carry out together a new historical mission for the greater good of mankind; and that is in keeping with the ideal of Unesco.

<LOTS MORE>
http://www.africawithin.com/diop/origin_egyptians.htm

[TheDoorbellRang]

32. And the genome project adds further detail to our evolution

Current theory is that the common ancestor for all humanity are the Kalahari bushmen. You can trace the migration/mutation path of homo sapiens here

[begin_within]

20. I see it:

[annabanana]

25. Thanks for the pictures. . I knew I wasn't imagining it!. . . . . n/t

[whistle]

33. Oh...wow!

[The Stranger]

38. Oh god. That just ruined my day.

King Tut is Babs with a nose job.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

21. K&R n/t

[Voltaire99]

22. King Tit

"Dude look like a lady!"

;-)

[Buns_of_Fire]

23. I think he looks... uh... dead. (n/t)

[WillyT]

24. Look You Guys... I've Seen King Tut, And He Doesn't Look Anything Like That !!!

You know, one of the greatest art exhibits ever to tour the United
States is the treasures of Tutankamen or King Tut!

(King Tut)
(King Tut)
Now when he was a young man,
He'd never thought he'd see,
(King Tut)
People stand in line,
To see the boy king.
(King Tut)
How'd you get so funky?
(Funky Tut)
They said you do the monkey.
(Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia, King Tut)
(King Tut)
Now if I'd known,
They'd line up just to see him,
(King Tut)
I'd've taken all my money,
And bought me a museum.
(King Tut)
Buried with a donkey,
(Funky Tut)
He's my favorite honkey.
(Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia, King Tut)
Dancing by the Nile,
(Disco dancing)
The ladies love his style.
(Fox Tut)
Rockin' for a mile,
(Rockin' Tut)
He ate a crocodile.
He gave his life for tourism.
(King Tut)
(Tut, tut. Tut, tut . . .)
Golden idols!
He's an Egyptian!
They're selling you.
(King Tut)
Now when I die,
Now don't think I'm a nut.
(King Tut)
Don't want no fancy funeral,
Just one like old King Tut.
(King Tut)
He could'a won a Grammy,
(King Tut)
Buried in his 'jamies.
(Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia, he was born in Arizona)
He's got a condo made of stone-a. . .
(King Tut)


:evilgrin:

[Mz Pip]

28. King Tut

Still dead after all these years. And still looks dead!

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Duer 157099]

29. Ugh. That's the worst set of "before" and "after" pics ever

And yes, he does resemble Barbra Streisand (the "before" pic one, anyway).

[JBoy]

30. First King Tut I ever knew

Appeared as the villain 5 times in the Batman TV series - more than any other villain.

[Swamp Rat]

31. I was expecting...