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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:57 PM
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Amazing. Many of our mothers and grandmothers
are old enough to have lived in a time when women were denied the vote -- it wasn't until 1920 that the 19th amendment was passed, giving women the right to vote in all the states.

http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=932&display_order=1&mini_id=1286

SUFFRAGE DURING THE CIVIL WAR

During the Civil War, women's suffrage was eclipsed by the war effort and movement for the abolition of slavery. While annual conventions were held on a regular basis, there was much discussion but little action. Activists such as slave-born Sojourner Truth, Elizabeth Stanton, and Susan B. Anthony lectured and petitioned the government for the emancipation of slaves with the belief that, once the war was over, women and slaves alike would be granted the same rights as the white men. At the end of the war, however, the government saw the suffrage of women and that of the Negro as two separate issues and it was decided that the Negro vote could produce the immediate political gain, particularly in the South, that the women's vote could not. Abraham Lincoln declared, "This hour belongs to the negro."

WOMEN UNITE

With the side-stepping of women's rights, women activists became enraged, and the American Equal Rights Association was established by Stanton and her colleagues in 1866 in effort to organize in the fight for women's rights. In 1868, the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment proved an affront to the women's movement, as it defined "citizenship" and "voters" as "male", and raised the question as to whether women were considered citizens of the United States at all. The exclusion of women was further reinforced with the ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment in 1870, which enfranchised black men. In a disagreement over these Amendments, the women's movement split into two factions. In New York, Stanton and Anthony established the radical National Woman Suffrage Association (NWSA). Lucy Stone, Julia Ward Howe, and Henry Blackwell organized the more conservative American Woman Suffrage Association (AWSA) in Boston. These two groups later merged in 1890 to form the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA) under the leadership of Elizabeth Stanton.

WINNING THE VOTE

Susan B. Anthony was arrested for attempting to vote for Ulysses S. Grant in the 1872 presidential election. Six years later, in 1878, a Woman's Suffrage Amendment was introduced to U.S. Congress. With the formation of numerous groups, such as the Women's Christian Temperence Union (WCTU), the National Council of Jewish Women (NCJW) ,the National Association of Colored Women (NACW) and, the Women's Trade Union League, the women's movement gained a full head of steam during the 1890's and early 1900's. The U.S. involvement in World War I in 1918 slowed down the suffrage campaign as women pitched in for the war effort. However, in 1919, after years of petitioning, picketing, and protest parades, the Nineteenth Amendment was passed by both houses of Congress and in 1920 it became ratified under the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:00 PM
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:01 PM
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2. Thank you for reminding us of what we so often take for granted.
The suffering these women went through to gain us the vote should be remembered often!

:applause:

NOW... do you remember the first state to grant women the vote?
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:02 PM
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3. Wyoming
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:06 PM
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7. Exactly right.
I'm sure that's something Lynn Cheyney would like to trumpet.

GAK.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:07 PM
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8. Kudos, you sharp shooted me.
:blush: :hi:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:12 PM
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12. Who'da guessed Wyoming, eh?
It's surprises like that that make life interesting...

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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:26 PM
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21. Didn't even google it
I remember a picture in an old history book showing a woman voting in Wyoming.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:04 PM
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4. I would have guessed wrong, probably. I knew it was a western state
but I was thinking Nevada.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:05 PM
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5. Colorado was the first state adopting an amendment for a woman's right to vote.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:09 PM
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10. .
Dec. 10
The territory of Wyoming passes the first women's suffrage law. The following year, women begin serving on juries in the territory.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:13 PM
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13. Thank you Colorado was the first.
Wyoming was second. not as a matter of rights. but in an effort to lure women to migrate to that state.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:06 PM
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6. Regardless of why this is once again being brought to our attention it is a good reminder
of those that fought incredible odds to overcome injustice, we cannot forget those that fought and died so that we can have the freedoms we have today, I think we are taking those freedoms for granted, we cannot forget that their are some that would wish for those days to return, if you doubt your not paying attention.

We have a responsibility to ensure that those who fought and suffered for us have not done so in vein, if they could so can we. never doubt the power of the people.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:08 PM
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9. Hear, hear! Young women, pay attention. Your foremothers suffered for you,
and your turn will come to fight for the coming generations.

Do NOT deny them.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:12 PM
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11. Yes, I would not ever wish for my daughter to go through the hell I had
to endure by being one of the first groups of women officers within the newly integrated Army during the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Thank goodness that we don't have to prove ourselves "as intensely" anymore albeit it's not ever a picnic being a minority in the service. :shrug:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:14 PM
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15. Thank you for your service!
:patriot:

I can only imagine....

HOWEVER, women now in the service certainly don't have it easy... the rapes, etc.

It's been guessed that the increased rate of PTSD among women coming back from Iraq has to do with the sexual abuse they're getting from their "brothers".

:nuke:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:24 PM
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17. Wow. That must have been something.
It bothers me that so many young women reject the label "feminist" when they take for granted all that feminists fought for!
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:31 PM
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23. I can just imagine what you must have gone through, I salute you and all women
who have fought such incredible odds in order that not all of us have to endure what you and so many others once did.

I have two granddaughters, I saw and heard what the early women went through in regards to being denied the same rights as man and ridiculed for daring not to remember their place.

We cannot let that happen again. It matters not that some women are being held up in higher offices, they would rather the majority stay at home and know their place, its in their words, the way they look at us and at those daring to stand up and be heard.

This is not a pro Hillary call you guys, don't let someone fool you by turning it around, its happening as we write, your churches are demanding we go back to being what they believe God demands of women, the media plays that you should have no choices within your own body, they demand you answer to them and not to yourself, don't be fooled again, they pretend to offer safety what they are really offering you is captivity be forewarned if they truly respected you, they would respect your decisions regarding your body, your mind your soul.

We are not cattle which need to be penned in, we are not baby machines that we need to constantly reproduce to prove our worth, we are humanity, you would not exist without us, you would not survive without us, we are just as good, just as strong, just as smart as anyone we pass by, we can be what we want, when we want, say what we want and we do not have to apologize for standing tall and demanding we be heard...

Disclaimer:

I am no feminist, I am a wife, mother, grandmother, daughter, I may stay at home but to doubt that I don't do my part in society for society each and every day, simply because I do not work outside the home does not lessen my importance in this world, my decisions are my own, and I refuse to give up my decisions in regards to how I live my life, don't give up yours whatever they may be, whatever you do is just as worthy just as important as anyone else in this world.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:14 PM
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14. Ann Coulter was actually the one who started me thinking along these lines,
with her viperous comments about denying the vote to women. My mother and I started talking and realized that women had gotten the vote only a few years before she was born.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:22 PM
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16. It took so long
women need to remember how long it took and how difficult it was to gain the right to vote.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:25 PM
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18. Young women today need to read the stories of the suffering these women
went through!

It's so awful I could hardly bear to listen to the stories, let alone think of myself going through that!

Yet, it's so taken for granted... "Well, I'm not a feminist, but....." gak...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:38 AM
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30. Things can change
as we've seen during the last several years, many rights we once took for granted have been eroded or lost completely.

While losing the right to vote is less likely, younger women don't realize how close we've come to losing Affirmative Action and other policies that help them get equal treatment at work and in life.

Heck I can recall the days when women couldn't buy a house, a car or even get a credit card in their own name. That wasn't too long ago.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:11 PM
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34. So true, and these young women for whom "feminism" is an embarrassment just might have to learn the
hard way.

It's all very sad.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:26 PM
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19. k&r
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Sukie1941 Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:26 PM
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20. My Mom is 94 and retired from full time at 85
As city recorder for her pioneer town of Jacksonville, Oregon (entire town is on the National Historic Record). After she retired, Mom ran for City Council and served two-four year terms.

She is doing just fine living at her home alone with help from her daughters.

Mom started working at age 18 in San Francisco. She worked for the Chamber of Commerce. She took some years off when her three girls were young, then went back into the work force.

I never heard my mom speak of the suffrage years or how she got into her career thanks to them. Not that the early women pioneers of equality didn't help my mom's career, just that my mom never felt like they did.

My father's mom was a farm wife in Kansas with nine kids under twelve years of age. Her husband, a 1903 Univ of Kansas grad, died at age 41 in a farm accident. Nana moved to the West Coast and worked in the shipyards during WW2, then for Westinghouse until she retired.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:30 PM
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22. I had a great-aunt who never married, who worked during the Depression
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 08:43 PM by pnwmom
in a "man's field." She went door-to-door, drumming up business as an accountant. I wish we had had the chance to talk about what that was like, but she died before I got interested in the subject.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:33 PM
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24. Your narrative is so heart warming.
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 08:36 PM by ShortnFiery
Yes, most women were very brave but "quiet." My father was the baby in the family by 20 years and my Grandmother lived to be 96 y.o. My dad used to quip that grandma liked him "the least" of her five children because he was born when she was 40 and he weighted the most (close to 12 lbs.) LOL

Bless your beloved mother and family. I get a sense from your words that both your mother and grandmother was a true American Heartland Pioneers, (nana = nine (9x) kids under the age of 12!) :wow: ;) :hi:
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:11 PM
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25. I used to long for the day that a woman
would be President -- But I cannot support HRC.

I am very bothered by her corporate connections, her calculated and frenetic drive without a comprehensible and articulated vision etc.

I read that older, progressive (liberal) women have deep misgivings about her - guess I fit in that niche.

Yet I truly like Pelosi much better - go figure. I do not think Hillary can "count on" the female vote.

I wish it were someone else in the lead -- once upon a time I supported Shirley Chisholm and I miss her voice still.



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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:18 PM
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26. We have a serious female candidate with a solid chance. That in itself is a first.
If Hillary doesn't make it, then the Rethugs -- seeing the writing on the wall -- will probably have a serious woman candidate next time.

With 54% of the electorate, it's just a matter of time.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:27 PM
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28. Hmmm, it sounds feesible but not sure the repubs are ready for such for a long time
to come.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:08 AM
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32. Politicians are usually scum
Doesn't matter whether or not they have penii.

When women got the vote, men were all freaking out and getting the vapors about how it would totally change politics, but guess what? It didn't. Women turned out to be individuals after all.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:04 PM
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33. "I wish it were someone else in the lead " Yes, I feel that sadness, also.
I remember all too well the excitement of thinking about actually having a woman for president. Thinking of how it would feel to be represented in that way.

Now that the opportunity is here, I don't believe that sHIll speaks for me, not in the least. She speaks for the corporations. How very sad.

I, also, wrote in Shirley Chisholm in '72. "Unbought and unbossed". Now *that* was something I could rejoice in!
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:20 PM
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27. Recommended, I may have a penis, but the granting of women's suffrage...
Was a correction of perhaps the greatest social injustice of the 20th century (and millenia prior to then).

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:14 PM
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29. when I enlisted in the military women were not allowed in the academies
yup
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:55 AM
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31. "Organize, Agitate, Educate, Let this be our battle cry"
Let this be our battle cry....
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:13 PM
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35. Both of my grandmothers lived at a time when women couldn't vote. nt

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