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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:15 PM
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This is your month Mr Gore. It is your time.
In one of the more bizzare twists of fate, you will even carry legitimate conservatives.

There is enough blood in the water - do you think there will be more??
Does it even matter now??

We all heard that last "debate" - democratic debate -(and I use the term democrat loosely) - even Obama will have troops overseas in 2013 - I thought I must have misheard that - but no - they really said that.

The conservatives may back you because they think (I do too) that having our army sprawled out in that country is just dangerous for our national interest, liberals because they just think the war immoral (I think that too).

You are in a unique position to unify a dangerously divided country.

And many people if they could just have a redo on the 2000 vote would dump Bush in a second.

This is truly yours if you want it. We have come to a strange point in our history now.

Joe

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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:25 PM
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1. Agreed. It is now or never Al (at least for 2008 because I don't think Hillary can be elected) eom
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:49 PM
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40. I think you're right... and wealthy, powerful right wingers helped her get as far as she did
for good reason. They know she is un-electable.

That's my strong informed hunch... and it's not unusual for the powers-that-be to create a scenario where the candidate you "help" is put there purposefully because they know that candidate is sure to lose....

Except for rare surprises like Huey Long of Louisiana.

Hillary is unelectable because she is too easy to hate for too many people. It's a shame, but it's true... and the Repugniks are well aware of this. They are setting her up so they can tear her down easily... and win.

For me she is waaay too far to the right, and waaay too much of a corporatist.

But, she's not enough of a puppet to be trusted totally by her RW friends and so they will want to take her down for a real Repugnik like Guliani.

Hillary will the Repugnik's purpose nicely in this election... unless Al runs.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:27 PM
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2. I think if Gore is our candidate
a lot of republicans would stay home. I think if it is Hillary they will come out to vote against her. I am not sure republicans would vote for Gore, maybe some. I had a talk the other day with some republicans who voted for Bush twice. Talking to them now most are very defensive and with an attitude like "shit happens". I couldn't believe they still believed in the war and we shouldn't bring the troops home now. They agreed Bush is not a "real" republican and they didn't see any of the candidates running as any better so I think if we can keep Hillary out of it they will most likely stay home.

I live in a pretty conservative area. I noticed most Bush stickers are off the cars now and political talk is quiet. No signs at all, I mean not one for any republican candidates or democrat for that matter.

Only bumper stickers I see are a few end the war ones like I have on my car.

Ladies in my book club are for Obama mostly and the republican ones are quiet and say nothing. To me that says a lot. No one on either side is real happy and we are all wanting a real leader to fix this mess. I hope Al will run but I don't know what he is thinking right now. Its a big decision and even if he wins it will be grueling for him and his family.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:29 PM
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3. I mostly agree with you...
Except I personally know three Republicans who have vowed to vote for a Democrat in the presidential election... I believe them too... and I believe they are the tip of the iceberg.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:51 PM
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6. I sure don't know all the republicans -
But I do know the literate ones I speak to all the time - they don't have to think about it. To be conservative - it is a principle - hell, I don't agree with it, but I respect it. These people now - in power - have no principle.

The thing they agree with - he is the smartest boy "not quite" in the room as yet.

They know he has been right down the line. They are just as tired of "stupid" as we all are as a country.

He said something that will be remembered by alot of people for a long time. He was on Larry King and asked off the cuff about Iraq - he said it is like the country was in the middle of a car accident - which way does anyone turn the wheel of the car to avoid the collision - but he said also - he will not have those kids in the way when we actually hit. It was just brilliant. And honest.

This country has always had the right person step up to the plate when things got tough. We will now too.

Joe

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:01 AM
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43. It depends...
when the right wing smear machine gets cranked up, they'll find something to swiftboat Gore over, and they could have some success stirring up their base over some wedge issue yet to be named. I don't take anything for granted. Like you say, whatever happens, it will be very grueling for everybody.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:32 PM
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4. Good one Joe
K&R
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:48 PM
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5. Freakin KnR, Ready, set,...... AL GORE
I have a secret, AL is not going to run, I found out hes joining Stargate


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxIYa6Tjkqg
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:52 PM
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7. hope springs eternal...
O8)
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:10 PM
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11. Not hope - I believe in the United States -
TO the day I die - I will believe in what we represent.

I think he is the real deal. In politics long enough to use it - and out long enough to know what crap it is. Who else can say that??

IF it is true that we get another "go along" president, I think we are Rome and it is about 400 AD - and we are screwed.

And if it means we go the way of Rome in the end - many of us - conservative or liberal - we will not go down without a fight. This is our country - and nobody will take us down without a big, big fight. Conservative or liberal. We really do agree about that.

Joe
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:54 PM
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8. Damn straight Joe!
NOW IS THE TIME!!!



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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:01 PM
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9.  Do-Over of 2000.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:04 PM
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10. Right on, Joe!
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:02 PM
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12. Joe, your words are most succinct and spot on
:thumbsup:
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:02 PM
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13. Gore/Obama, '08
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:05 PM
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14. Nice to see you, Joe
Hope you're well, and hope your kid is well too.

And I agree with your points about Gore entirely. "Strange point in our history" is an understatement...

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:06 PM
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15. Preach it, Joe!
More and more, I've come to believe he's the only one who not only CAN begin to extricate ourselves from this mess, but who has the WILL, DRIVE, and INTEREST in doing so.

His loyalty is to We the People and United States Consitution. We need him now more than ever.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:08 PM
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16. Would YOU run in this system now?
And God help him if he ever should and not live up to the expectations.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:27 PM
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20. If he did and tried we may pull out - if he doesn't -
we are screwed anyway.

We know he is entering a very uphill battle.

SO did Washinton, and Lincoln and FDR - it is that thing about the US - when we are really in trouble - the cream does rise to the top.

Joe

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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:33 PM
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21. No way would I do it -
But there is something to be said when you go in and the crap is so thick you get little expectation of success. That is where he will find himself.

No place to go but up, so to speak.

Joe
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:55 PM
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26. It isn't his mess to clean
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:02 PM
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27. No - but he will rise to the need we have for him.
This country always rises to need. Makes us who we are.

Joe
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:07 PM
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29. Then why aren't we rising?
He already rose to the need. He gave us the tools we needed to raise our voices... and all that is done is calling on him to take on even more? At this point it is very tiresome and actually to me arrogant to keep calling on him as if he hasn't done his part, when the majority of Americans are so damned distracted and uncaring.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:14 PM
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32. We are - americans rise when they are threatened.
WHy you think Bush did what he did??

He didn't threaten us as a society did he??

People that really think americans are stupid bother me.

They were just smart.

I'd think this thru - everything that is happening now - since 11/06 - is being lead by the populace - not politicians. What do you think that means???


Joe
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:12 PM
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38. I'm sorry, your name indicates that you would like Gore
I'm confused. RestoreGore would seem to me a name that would be chosen by someone who would like to see Gore Restored.

Please clear this up for us.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:51 AM
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42. It's none of your damned business why I chose this name, but if you must know...
I worked my ass off in 2004 to do just that when it was THE time to do it to keep these bastards out and save our Democracy. People however didn't appear to give a shit about that then because it wasn't "politically expedient" and still don't in my view. Now everyone is so gung ho on "restoring" something they let slip away and I find that to be actually amusing. Everyone else gave up on this process and now love it because Mr. Gore is "popular" and worthy of their support when before he was kicked to the curb by the same people who now think him a savior. I don't happen to respect people like that who only support someone when they are riding high, and I now see from my own experiences as I am sure he does how PHONY it is and I respect his words and appreciate that he is still in this making a difference despite all of that BS. And I will continue to support his remaining a free conscience unrestraned by that phony political hype. He has been restored and better than any BS political system could do. And if you had vision you would realize there is more than one way to restore something or someone... but I guess you simply don't. You don't like that, tough shit. Now get off my back.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 05:18 PM
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45. So you believe the people on these threads Kicked him to the curb?
That's a hell of an assumption. Oh, and yes, he can do much more good as a politician in this cause than as a celebrity.

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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:13 PM
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17. Amen, Joe.
Gore should be #44!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:24 PM
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18. And that even rhymes! Vote Gore for #44!
I think you are right... The last thing we want is a more active Republican voter base, even if someone like Hillary still wins. The problem is, with them more actively voting to keep her out, more of the other Republicans and Republican issues will benefit from them being at the polls. If they stay at home, we are more apt to have a landslide in congress (and hopefully with a lot of GOOD progressives and not the DLC types!).

Likewise, with Hillary running, I think it might be harder to get the core progressives out who will vote for other progressives to get elected too. A lot will feel "defeated" by the DLC and stay home too.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:07 PM
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28. He already is 43
Too bad the forty-third President won't get to serve a day in office until he becomes the forty-fourth President.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:25 PM
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19. I Have Another Reason For Ya Joe...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:46 PM by WillyT
I'm old enough to remember the gas crunch in the 1970's. People waiting in line for hours to fill up their vehicles. The media telling us how many decades or centuries of oil, coal, and natural gas was available before it ran out. Solar power, wind power, tidal power, and ethanol taking their first baby steps into the market place. Earth Day being born.

And then just a few years later, all was largely forgotten because the supply of oil went back up, and the price of fossil fuels went back down, and many people thought the crisis was over. Or they just went straight into denial. Larger and larger cars and trucks became the fashion, and here we are again. And once again, going to war over oil resources.

This time though, we have, along with the fight for what's left of the planet's fossil fuels, a parallel phenomenon called Global Warming. Al Gore has been head and shoulders above anybody in sounding the alarm about what the potential disasters may lay ahead if we don't do something about this Global Warming.

And this time, we cannot afford to relax and wait another 30 years like we did after the 70's. And I don't think Al should trust ANYBODY of either party to pick up his mantle and march forward. I think HE has to do it.

Hope I made some sort of sense there, LOL!

:shrug:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:35 PM
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22. I second that
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:48 PM
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25. Oh you make sense -
There is one thing I don't know if I agree with Gore or not -

I am very ok with two stepping a solution - jerk synthetic production up enough to screw the middle east while moving systematically to a new fuel. I don't see any problem with this. There are two seperate problems.

We have an interst, a big one, in stopping the middle east from causing us pause in economic strategy - we do. That one action may avert a third world war. If we can't do at least that, we will probably be dead anyway. If we can do that - we could surely take a trillion dollars and devote it entirely to a new "Manhattan project" and come up with, once and for all - a true energy that can get us thru the the next decades - and be the leader we always have been.

He is the smart guy in the room - I will trust him, agree with the premise or not.

Joe

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:36 PM
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23. Great post, Joe. nt
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:41 PM
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24. I have my fingers crossed for the Nobel. he should get it
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:08 PM
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30. He doesn't need to now - maybe he never did.
He has to do one thing - every dem candidate says get the kids out in 2013 - he just has to call bullshit.

The country is calling bullshit.

I think I understood him very clearly - and there is sure one thing about him - he saw war very very clearly way back when. And he grew up from just being a politicain.

He could lead me into hell and I'd believe him at this point.

Joe
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:12 PM
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31. may be he won't run if Clinton is running
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:38 PM
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33. And maybe that's exactly why he'll run.
Maybe.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:23 PM
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34. I Really, Really Don't Expect Gore to Announce
but if he does, it will be the happiest moment of the last seven years.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:06 PM
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35. this country needs a leader with a very different vision and world view
the Republicans are all about terra terra terra to scare and intimidate the masses, and making rich people richer. Really, that's fundamentally their party platform.

Congressional Democrats remind me of timid shivering little chihuahuas, and the candidates aren't particularly inspiring.

For both parties, it's business as usual. The candidates can't seem to look past the tip of their noses.

To implement good policy now, we need a long-range plan. We need to set long-term goals, several generations into the future, and set intermediate goals along the way. Those goals should be positive, to make this country and this world a better place for ALL. We need leadership that gives us honest sincere inspiring HOPE.

That's why Al Gore must run.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:03 PM
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36. From your keyboard to his ears!
I'm with you on this one Joe.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:57 PM
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37. Recommended. He simply must BE President.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:30 PM
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39. He should announce right at the 1 year mark
citing that the dems have proven themselves failures as leaders and needs to take the wheel away from them.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:52 AM
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41. K&R for JOE!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:28 PM
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44. Ga-Ga for Gore!!
:D

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