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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:09 AM
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Cheney's Top Aide Says War With Iran "Real Possibility in '07"
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 10:31 AM by Jacobin
As the Bush administration ratchets up pressure on Iran, Vice President Cheneys top national security aide has been quoted by the Washington Post in the 10th paragraph on page A18 that war with Iran is a real possibility this year:

Some senior administration officials still relish the notion of a direct confrontation. One ambassador in Washington said he was taken aback when John Hannah, Vice President Cheneys national security adviser, said during a recent meeting that the administration considers 2007 the year of Iran and indicated that a U.S. attack was a real possibility. Hannah declined to be interviewed for this article.

Those with knowledge of the build-up to war in Iraq will recognize John Hannahs name. In Bushs second term, he replaced Scooter Libby as the head of Cheneys national security staff. During Bushs first term, he personally wrote the first draft of the infamous speech that Secretary of State Colin Powell delivered to the United Nations, according to Powells former aide Lawrence Wilkerson.

Moreover, Hannah was a top source for false pre-war intelligence from Iraqi exiles that was stovepiped past the intelligence agencies and sent directly to the White House

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/hannah-iran /




I guess Cheney forgot to tell Lord PissyPants about the new war.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:12 AM
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1. seems the Cheney Adminstration is not in synch with the Bush Adm!!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:13 AM
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2. They really should talk more
Or maybe they're waiting to tell him. Bush is probably on a "need to know only" basis with Lord Cheney
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:40 PM
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59. This follows their strategy - Bush lies and others tell the truth.
This time Mz Liar joined Bush in the lie - often she is one of the counters to his lies - telling the truth about their plans.

How many years have I wondered why the right wing honchos picked Bush to be their President. As each day passes - I see their strategy - he is totally without ethics. Yes, he'll be their lie carrier - he has no principles to stand on - he's just a pathetic two-bit actor for them.

They are trying to destroy the middle class, the court system, and the Presidency.

And they do it in suits and ties with the help of all their corporate friends and the barons.

Boy, we don't even know all of what we're in the process of losing.

Are we going to take back the country? Or not?

With the breakdown in the lock step of a Republican members of Congress - we've got to get more people complaining and demanding. We must embarass the media and demand news.

We must expose their corporate and foundation support and show their traitorous acts in all the ways they don't represent us, but use us.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 10:37 AM
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68. Glad to be hit over the head with a 2x4 every once in a while. You said it!!!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:55 AM
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37. Cheney is his own administration
According to his office, he's answerable to absolutely nobody about anything (today's Crisis Papers have the details).
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:14 AM
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3. Lovely. Just effin lovely.
:sarcasm:

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:21 AM
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5. I'm sure the 'media' will be all over this
:eyes:
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:47 AM
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32. Too boring, dude.
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 11:47 AM by smoogatz
Maybe they'll get to it if there's a momentary pause in the dead-or-missing-blonde nooz-gasm of the week. *snrk*
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:54 AM
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34. Now, if only a large breasted blonde woman could go missing in Iran...
:freak:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:21 AM
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4. Rather more likely that in '07, Dick Cheney will cease to be Vice President
Regime change in Washington both better serves the national interest and is a more practical military option.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:23 AM
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6. With approval ratings hovering in the 12 percent range, Cheney
apparently doesn't give a rat's ass about what the country thinks. The media won't mention these interesting little facts mentioned in this non-mainstream article and Lord Pissypants is denying that he's gonna attack Iran.

On the bright side, CNN hasn't composed any IranWar theme music or graphics as yet, so maybe there's a little more time
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:29 AM
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12. I am betting that CNN and MSNBC already have the graphics and music ready for the Iran attack...
... they are just waiting for the kick off, and those graphics and music will hit the screen within minutes.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:41 AM
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15. What Do You Think It Will Be Called - "The Stand In Iran" or.......
something else?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:47 AM
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19. How 'bout "Tearin' Up Tehran"...Catchy enough?
Maybe this is the delay...they need a cutesy name for this new carnage
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nyrnyr1994 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:13 PM
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44. They might even go retro and bring this back...
Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Go bomb Ira-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Because I ca-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Bomb Ira-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
With Shock and Awe, they will be reelin'.
More oil, we'll be stealin'.
Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!

Still pissed at France, 'cause they wouldn't dance.
Gonna bomb Iran, re-election to enhance.
Let's bomb Iran...
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
With Shock and Awe, they will be reelin'.
More oil, we'll be stealin'.
Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!

Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Go bomb Ira-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Because I ca-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Bomb Ira-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
With Shock and Awe, they will be reelin'.
More oil, we'll be stealin'.
Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!

Me and my crew, still have much to do.
Think I'll bomb Iran; distract from scandals anew.
Let's bomb Iran...
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
With Shock and Awe, they will be reelin'.
More oil, we'll be stealin'.
Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!

Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Go bomb Ira-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Because I ca-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
Bomb Ira-a-an!
(Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...)
With Shock and Awe, they will be reelin'.
More oil, we'll be stealin'.
Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!

Bomb Iran, bomb Iran... bomb Iran, bomb Iran...

(fade)

http://www.amiright.com/parody/60s/thebeachboys15.shtml
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:15 PM
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46. A blast from the past
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:45 AM
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18. May is sweeps month
And the Bush administration has some fences to mend with the corporate bigwigs who run the major media. What better gift than lots of neat-o explosions and footage of brave men pushing buttons and watching something blow up miles away? It's not like anyone you know (probably) is going to be under those bombs, unable to fight back, get away, or even know that the bomb is coming until it's too late.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:50 AM
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20. Good point
It'd be really great for ratings. Lots of "schlock and awe fuck", blood, guts, guns, planes dropping bombs, OH and this time they'll be shooting BACK at us and at Israel, so it'd be great TV
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:31 PM
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56. CNN already had a "test banner" up over the Weekend: "Showdown With Iran"
I posted about it and then I didn't see it again,after. So...I assumed it was a test. Their music already is designed to keep folks on edge....that jittery thing they play constantly.

I even wonder if they aren't using subtle techniques of mind control with their "banner tests" and the music tempo.
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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:26 AM
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7. we are so hosed
Everybody says that the war is coming. Shrub also says, "we have no plans to attack", that should be enough to scare everybody
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:27 AM
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8. What does this tell you about the MSM complicity in Bush planning to attack Iran?
"Washington Post in the 10th paragraph on page A18 that war with Iran is a real possibility this year(2007)"

Buried --on page A18 at the bottom of the article.

Goes right along with an OP I posted this AM --the real revelations are out in the public, but the MSM is doing its job of making sure the disinformation and flood of other information keeps them from being recognized and read by the public.

Here the Washington Post will eventually point back to this article and say they reported it, and don't know why anyone would think that they failed to carry out their duty to report it in a meaningful way for the public.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:29 AM
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13. Cute, huh?
Burying the Cheney administration's intent to forking declare war on another country on page A18, and neglecting to mention that this guy is the same one who wrote Colin Powell's IraqNam Speech to the U.N. on the faux WMDs.

:banghead:

Need to email this to Olberman
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:27 AM
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9. Intentional misdirection to distract from BushCo's litany of failures of in Iraq?
Ahm'mad said it: BushCo could be using the longstanding fear of an impending attack on Iran and "evidence" of Iran's involvement in Iraq simply to distract everyone from Bush**'s failures, including the escalation and its deadly results. Too bad for them, I think the majority of Americans are able to give both situations the attention they deserve.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:42 AM
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16. Yep. I'm afraid that's what's gonna happen
The silence in the corporate media is deafening.

We're going to war and its forking page 18A in the WaPo rag
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:29 AM
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28. Agreed. At the same time, we mustn't underestimate the neocons' one strength:
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 11:30 AM by magellan
their ability to manipulate the masses into seeing only what they want us to see.

Suspicions that Iran is next have been floating around for over a year. They'll be aware of this. So maybe they've decided to stoke that fear -- use it to their own advantage -- by sending mixed signals and serving a near perfect replay of what they did to get us into Iraq. Suddenly everyone's focused (and divided over) Iran's role and whether they should be next. Voila -- instant distraction. They don't have to attack Iran to benefit from the fear and controversy.

I'm not saying I discount an attack on Iran -- far from it. But I think the alternative view is worth considering. Where the neocons are concerned I trust that nothing is as it seems.

edit: left out a letter in the subject
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 10:54 AM
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69. It's in the air. I have paid close attention to the media over the last two years, the mind set
has been created. We are now being told that the Iranians are the new SOB's by the powers-that-be. And I honestly don't hear any real disagreement about this issue, throughout the political strata.

We'll see. But the media build up is very similar to pre-Iraq.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:28 AM
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10. I hate these war-loving bastards, I really do.
It's like a biblical plague has been unleashed on this country in the form of this sociopathic administration. Or maybe our national karma is just fucked.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:28 AM
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11. May Fitz can ask him (Hannah) when he's under oath in the Libby trial.
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 10:30 AM by sinkingfeeling
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:29 AM
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14. As I've said since 1994...
The GOP does their dirty work in non-election years. That way the public has plenty of time to either forget or at least absorb their propaganda. Then in the election year they do little. For example, among other things, they attempted to privatize Social Security in '05 after the '04 election. Then last year, Congress met for the fewest amount of days ever.

Their plans ran into trouble when they lost Congress. If the GOP still held Congress you could have bet your last dollar that we'd probably already be at war in Iran. But for the Democratic majority, there would be war in Iran. Still may be. One thing's for certain, if they can pull it off with impunity, they will. It all depends how well they can sell the cooked Iran intelligence and if they can credibly pull off a Tonkin Gulf type incident.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:43 AM
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17. Bingo!
I don't think it is a given that they will get their new war on. But it won't be because they don't want to - and aren't used to doing what they want - and getting congressional gop to go along with them. I am very glad to see more mixed 'reviews' in the media per these initial attempts to sell the new cooked intel. Also have some hope that the public would recognize that this would mean Iraq x 5.

Great post, Gman.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:34 AM
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29. Of course they Want to. Imagine the amount of money they'll be...
... able to loot AGAIN if (or when) the boy's 'n girls start dying on their new desert stage. :mad:
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:00 AM
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22. You are absolutely right
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 11:01 AM by simskl
If the pukes still held congress we'd be at war with Iran and congress would already be in recess. Repukes don't like to work when there is the orgy of war to enjoy with the rest of their "pro-life" shitheads. Big screen TV's and screen-savers showing Saddam Hussein dangling from a rope. Christ I hate those shits.

on edit: typos from typing too fast.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:54 AM
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21. Not if we can impeach your boss first!!! brazen bloodthirsty scums! n/t
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:04 AM
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23. "relish the notion of a direct confrontation"
Spoken like a true chickenhawk.

Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.

- Sir Winston Churchill
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:08 AM
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24. Man, I really hope....
..that they realize we meant that "Four More Wars!" thing as sarcasm.
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:09 AM
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25. A prediction: a phony 'incident' / bombings/ Cheney resigns/ Jeb appointed
and all is well in Republicon BizzaroWorld
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:27 AM
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26. IMPEACH!
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:28 AM
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27. Before this shit hits the fan!!!
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:37 AM
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30. Oh for CHRIST'S SAKE!
It's like you ask yourself how much crazier can they get...and the answer is none. None more crazy.

Until you find out that they're thinking about Iran.

This is the problem with putting a profiteer in a position of power. Profiteers don't make money off winning wars; they make money off prolonging them. From Cheney's POV, the more unwinnable wars we're fighting on the more unmanageable fronts, the happier he is. At least that's the only reason I can think of he would still be talking about this.

You gotta figure everyone else who's not one of his zombie minions realizes this is a batshit crazy idea. You gotta hope that, anyway.

:scared:

The Plaid Adder
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:59 AM
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39. Profiteering meets failed ideology, I think.
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 12:05 PM by smoogatz
The only way to rescue the neocons' delusional portfolio from the ash-heap is to, you know, keep trying until they get it right. It's not the ideology that failed--it was the execution. Whenever I hear shit like this coming from inside the Cheney adminnistration, I'm reminded of Mao's "Great Leap Forward," an ideology-driven political movement that resulted in an entirely man-made famine that killed an estimated 30 million people. We should never underestimate the destructive power of hard-core ideologues. That said, if the oil/gas oligarchy figures out a way to stay in power, we're not leaving Iraq for thirty years, minimum.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:40 AM
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31. A real possibility, but not guaranteed.
It's only pencilled in for March.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:47 AM
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33. Hannah is testifying right now in scooter libby trial........
He is making the case for Iran war from the witness stand! Not quite sure how this helps scooter, but all the "Iran is bad" talking points have been covered.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:01 PM
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Wha?? For Real?
:freak:
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:27 PM
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48. Yep, he's completed testimony.......
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 12:45 PM by hwmnbn
Tried to send smoke everywhere talking about how busy scooter was and how his memory was bad. Didn't make sense someone with such a bad memory could be in such a detail related high pressure job.

Fitz narrowed down his testimony to admit Libby knew about Wilson/Plame before he said he knew about Plame.... Because HANNAH GAVE HIM THE REPORT!! Bwahahaha!!
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:54 AM
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35. the wargongers are trying to do the only thing they know
lie and send other people to fight

they are cowards, slime and traitors
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:55 AM
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36. Pelosi better impeach now, or be ready to have the blame heaped on her.
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 11:55 AM by pat_k
Originally Posted Fri Feb-02-07:

Even in the irrational "political calculus" that pervades their insular world, it ought to be dawning on them that the failure to impeach Bush and Cheney is a FAR greater risk to the future of the Democratic Party than even the worst of their (baseless) fears of impeachment.

Does she really want to go down in history as the ONE person who had the power to stop WWIII, but refused to act? As the leader who "cracked the whip" to silence every member who dared to utter the word impeachment? As a woman so deluded that she thought it was more important to pass a minimum wage increase than to stop the blatant, willful criminality, subversion, and international devastation being wrought by the Bush/Cheney WH?

Wake up and smell the coffee Nancy.


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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:01 PM
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40. Can I 'borrow' that? I will send letters to my Democratic Senators and Reps.
with that very message if you are kind enough to allow me to plagiarize you.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:14 PM
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55. Please do. Sharing ammunition is what it's all about!
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 01:35 PM by pat_k
And in case you're in the market for more ammo, you may want to visit my journal, Get Up, Stand Up! (Purpose of Journal: "To promote simple truths and moral positions that guide effective action.")

If they continue to refuse to impeach to defend the Constitution, perhaps they'll do it to advance their political futures. The Biggest problem Members of the Democratic Party face is the perception that they're weak. Every time they refuse to stand and fight the "good fights," win or lose, they confirm the notion that they are cowards.

There is NO better way to challenge the "weak Dem" image than to stand and fight for impeachment. The opportunity to engage Americans from across the political spectrum is unprecedented.

Curtis Gans, Director, Center for the Study of the American Electorate

On Politically Direct with David Bender
MP3 (Interview start time approx 18:30)

Bender: You've been doing this for almost 30 years; studying the American electorate. And there is probably no greater expert than you. It's just a real pleasure to have you on this program;
. . .

Gans: . . .Traditionally, at least for the last 30 years, {the Democrats} have essentially been very tactical; very programmatic. I don't think either one of those works. I think they have to have an articulation of central American principles and what that means within a progressive Party.
. . .

Bender: This is a moment, clearly -- the people voted for accountability, there's no question about that. And the opportunity to show that the Democratic Party is the Party of the Constitution, I think will be a very popular position across the board, particularly with Independents, and maybe even some Republicans who still love this Constitution.

Gans: The concept of the Constitution and the People's Government is something that can unite the Democratic Party in ways it hasn't been united since the late 1960's. . .


When an official abuses power and violates our common contract (i.e., the Constitution), impeachment is the means by which we enforce the terms by removing the violator and renewing the terms with their successor. Impeachment isn't about justice or even accountability. That is for the courts, not congress. Impeachment is about asserting and defending "the concept of the Constitution and the People's Government" -- it's an endeavor that "can unite the Democratic Party in ways it hasn't been united since the late 1960's."

Perhaps the most heartbreaking of all the rationalizations for refusing to rescue the Constitution are the declarations that impeachment would undermine their chances of victory in '08. That unquestioned assumption is the opposite of reality. Even if impeachment weren't the most effective way to tap into the mother lode of energy and outrage at Bush and define the Democratic Party as the Party of the Constitution and the People's Government, it is NEVER "good politics to be complicit in crime. They need look no further than their failure to fight against the Authorization to Use Military Force. The political price they are paying, and continue to pay, is directly proportional to the magnitude of the resulting horror.


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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:56 AM
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38. Anyone care to join me in Switzerland?
Normally, I'd just stay here but if he manages to kick this off before Blair gets the boot, you just know Blair will back him up. So decamping to a neutral country sounds favourite right now.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:03 PM
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42. I would hope that Parliament
would do something to stop him. Any more chance of that happening there than that happening across the pond?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:11 PM
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43. Possibly
A vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister is a hell of a lot easier to achieve than impeachment. Standing Order 17 allows any MP who wants to propose a bill to do so, that could easily be turned into a resolution against following Bush to war. SO 34 allows any MP to make a short speech about anything they like so that could be used. The fourth option is that if a Labour party member can gain the backing of X number of Labour MPs (I forget exactly how many), he can force a leadership contest. That's risky because if Blair were to win such a contest, he then can't be challenged again for a certain length of time and PMs tend to see such a victory as vindication.

To be honest, Blair is on such a sticky wicket right now that I doubt he's honestly try it. The feeling over here right now is "OK, if you keep quiet for the remaining seven months or so, we'll let you have a dignified exit and retirement but if you try anything radical, you'll be gone in seconds".
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:14 PM
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45. Well then there's a good possibility you guys can stay out of it
Looks like another alliance with Eritrea and Costa Rica (with Israel in the background)
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:17 PM
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47. Here's hoping
Not that I don't have the utmost sympathy for you guys having to go through it but it's a lot easier to have sympathy when I don't have to worry about having my bollocks shot off.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:46 PM
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50. If I were Switzerland, and Bush starts bombing, I don't think I'd take any...
Americans in.

If Bush does the ultimate insane thing and goes nukular there will be very few countries on the earth that would willingly allow American emigres in.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:58 PM
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53. Perhaps
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 12:59 PM by Prophet 451
They might be willing to take in American political refugees though and even Shrub wouldn't dare declare war on Switzerland, they control the money.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:45 PM
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60. i hear st maarten is beautiful this time of year!
we can be dutch and french at the same time!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 10:41 AM
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66. At least I speak one of the languages!
With the increasingly twisted version the politicos are using, I'm not entirely sure I speak English anymore.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:03 PM
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41. No suprise
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:45 PM
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49. Good thing impeachment is "off the table"
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:51 PM
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51. Indict, Impeach, Imprison CHENEY! (first) K and R
:kick:
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:52 PM
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52. Cheney and his minions are a loose cannon....
He needs to go. Now more than ever.

He is DIRECTLY responsible for this war and use of garbage intel and lies to mislead this nation.

Halliburton former CEO Dick Cheney...goes on the war path as VP and HAL stock prices climbs from near junk status in July of 2002 to a respectable $30 today on ever increasing instability in the middle east. He will not stop bringing home the shareholder value for Halliburton.

That is his legacy. That is what America bought into as long as he is in office.

It is time for him to be removed from office.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:12 PM
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54. Why? Haven't they profited enough?
Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:41 PM
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57. John Hanna.....A good ole 'YES MAN' to the max!!! A horrible writer as well.
He looks like a goood Nazi!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:48 PM
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58. This coupled with another article in GD shows who is running the White House

Bush's 'sour-faced cynic-imitation' of critics of his Iran attack plan posted by bigtree in GD
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Talks about bu$h being cynical that anyone would suggest they are planning war with Iran.


I just wonder when the bombs are going to start falling.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:53 PM
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61. 'the year of iran' ?
its stuff like this that will feature prominantly in the coming impeachment hearings
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 04:14 PM
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62. "Saber-rattling" abroad, posturing for America
Bush denies we will attack iran. Every action and word indicates the opposite and in fact speaks of a pre-determined plan and even schedule that has nothing at all to do with any action or provocation by Iran itself. In fact, the diplomatic channels, the negotiations and progress made have been deliberately trashed since 2000. The barest unbelievable words don't even begin to sugar coat the lies of vague but absolute ultimatums, clear signs of INEVITABLE action.

So the catch for Iran- which cannot win nor instigate a war- is that by the clear lessons(war no matter what) of Iraq is that talking or hunkering down or making concessions or the world community will do nothing. That example is itself the Iraq Bonus. That merely by making the same moves one did before Iraq the target country now must be provoked into doing something to justify THIS time. Catch-22 has arrived in Tehran.

The crux that enables this charade to unfold is the successful posturing here at home. So long as Americans empower the game by accepting the "Iranian problem" argument, Bush's utterly unbelievable denials, the positioning of our forces as a mere show and not an absolute provocative declaration of war in and of themselves, and an albeit weaker "debate" on distractions, on the LAST war, other crimes, policies, this war is inevitable. The real monsters, the real threats are our war-bound leaders moving our people to murder and death- not Iran now and quite possibly, not an Iranian "problem" ever.

America has been reduced by diversion, silence, acceptance of Bush ground rules)still) into the dumbest of couch potato patriots, KNOWING what is going to happen but at ease because of the overwhelming might of our brute force and with zero compassion for our military and its victims alike. Played like idiots by a mass media mind with an IQ designed in hell, deserted by politicians who can busy themselves with sluggish progress on "important" issues concerning messes they did not prevent last time. That is the only quagmire that exists for Bush, one which is necessary and one which he approves. The Iraq quagmire itself offers opportunities and impetus to drive and enable "bold" old plans to screw up the rest of the ME to sponge the last of the oil and hope and rape their future and ours.

Iran, Israel and everyone knows. America is "arguing" and somewhat against "possible" new war. Or shrugs, or is ignorant, or diverted. This spells success for the partially beleaguered, still active and unchecked executive branch. The other creaking limb, the legislative is struggling to blossom while the clock runs out. The only hope otherwise for the world is- get this and laugh bitterly- that the two men who have their fingers on the trigger could be stopped by the Congress and public outcry. That is the only real hope. Somnolent, despairing, bewildered, fearful, attention on ceiling, whistling.

When a gunslinger who has called out a rube and gunned him down and tricked the town all the way into doing nothing calls someone out again with the same leering ruse what will happen? For Iran, the US is supposed to pretend powerlessness, cowardly granting the repetition with the lie of unknowing. The media with blood on its hands leads in cowardice. The Iraq failed Congress follows. The bewildered, leaderless masses, seething with opposition is enslaved to watch and never speak. And like the Westerns where the town has shuttered windows and the masses never rally to stop the gunman, we pretend not to hear, not watch the villain stalking his victim.

High noon with low character. No hero to miraculously win against "odds" that the abdication of the mass made so dangerous. No chance. Turn up the TV and taste the 1000 flavors of Bush death.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:28 PM
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63. Yes, indeed. "in the 10th paragraph on page A18 " That's our media for ya!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:32 AM
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64. Let's strap a parachute on the mofo and drop him first.
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Charleyski Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:59 AM
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65. Here We Go Again - Anti War Video
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:08 AM
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67. Yes, we are so screwn. nt
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