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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 04:00 AM
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Revealed: CIA offered $2m to Lockerbie witness and brother
Lockerbie becomes more and more interesting.
(Keepin mind that several US agents died in the plane)
we have planted evidence
finallty an appeal
and now this .....



"The CIA offered $2m (1m) to the Crown's key witness in the Lockerbie trial and his brother, sources close to the case have told The Herald.

Recently discovered papers show Scottish police officers investigating the 1988 bombing were aware the US intelligence service had discussed financial terms and witness protection schemes with Tony Gauci and his brother, Paul.

(...)

The Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission found that document during its three-year investigation, which concluded earlier this year that Megrahi should have a fresh appeal.

The document, thought to be from the CIA, contains highly classified information about the MST13 timer which allegedly detonated the bomb. The Crown, for national security reasons, is still refusing to hand the material over to the defence."
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.173066...

But of course ...it's just another case of terrorism ....
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tailwind Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:10 AM
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1. Nothing To See Here Move Along.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:14 AM
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2. You can't see the evidence we imprisoned you upon for reasons of "national security".
The nation needs to be SECURE from the threat of citizens
discovering that it FRAMES people for mass-murder to
facilitate its political agendas.

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:36 AM
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4. More and more, these trials resemble "The Trial"
From "The Trial" by Kafka:

This is because proceedings are generally kept secret not only from the public but also from the accused. Only as far as that is possible, of course, but it is possible to a very large extent. And the accused doesn't get to see the court records either, and it's very difficult to infer what's in the court records from what's been said during questioning based on them, especially for the accused who is in a difficult situation and is faced with every possible worry to distract him.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:36 AM
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3. K & R !!!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:09 AM
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5. Maj. Charles McKee was going to blow the whistle on Ollie's Drug Empire
Edited on Fri Oct-05-07 08:25 AM by Octafish
DIA man McKee was aboard the doomed plane.

http://spookterror.blogspot.com/2005/08/lockerbie-bomb-...

Oliver North, of course, worked for Poppy Bush -- the CIA's White House factotum.

EDIT: Misspelled Maj. McKee's name.
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:04 AM
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7. Good link
:toast
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 02:35 PM
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11. The real terror threat always gets covered up....

rogue intelligence operations involving international drug trade. How much of our high-level government is being affected by this cash flow?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:30 AM
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6. "sources close to the case... thought to be from the CIA"
Boy, Libya is going to be very angry at this huh?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 11:48 AM
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8. Didnt 60 minutes do a bit on this, pointing the Finger @ Bin Laden, not Libya.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 01:01 PM
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9. The Libyan government confessed?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 01:13 PM
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10. In 2003, but the Chechnian Bin Laden CIA connection still remains.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:12 PM
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14. No.
Under duress, Libya met the formal terms of the agreement ending a 10-year sanctions period that had been very costly to Libya:

1) turn over two suspects for trial in Scotland (actually held in Holland).

2) pay several billion

3) submit a confession.

After the acquital of one suspect and conviction of the other, Gaddafi held a long press conference to make clear his rejection of Libyan guilt for Lockerbie.
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DramaOnHwy61 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 11:53 PM
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16. BUT BUT that looks like an extorted confession...
never mind.
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 04:05 PM
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12. Hardly believable
Some pointed towards Iran right after 1998.
Btw why the heck would the CIA try to plant evidences and offer money to witnesses in order to defend bin Laden (ok he's Bush's buddy ...)
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:09 AM
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17. Yeah, Osama sounds like a solution if Libya's off and you won't blame Syria b/c it involves US too.
:eyes:

In the end, they'll find a way to blame the Bush administration itself on a dead Osama.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:32 PM
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13. Spy Stories (Houston Press: May 3, 2007)
Edwin Wilson said he was still in touch with his former employer, the CIA, when he shipped explosives out of Houston to the Middle East. The CIA denied it. The CIA lied
By Keith Plocek
Published: May 3, 2007

... When E. Lawrence Barcella Jr. heard about the explosion of Pan American Flight 103, he immediately thought of Edwin Wilson, the Central Intelligence Agency's infamous renegade, the article begins. In particular, Barcella, the former Assistant U.S. Attorney who tracked down Wilson and put him behind bars, pondered the 40,000 pounds of C-4 plastic explosive that Wilson, well schooled by the agency in intrigue and arms dealing, sold to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi in 1977. ...

During his 1983 trial in Houston for shipping the explosives and his Virginia trial the year before for shipping guns, Wilson maintained his innocence, claiming he was still working under the aegis of the Company when dealing arms to Libya. The CIA called bullshit and produced an affidavit stating Wilson hadn't had any indirect or direct contact with the agency, save for one minor incident, since his retirement in 1971. The Houston jury asked for that affidavit to be reread right before bringing back a guilty verdict ...

In 2003, U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes vacated the Houston conviction, slapping the government for its willful use of false evidence. Wilson was freed in 2004. He now lives in Seattle. He's working on getting his Virginia conviction overturned, as well as a conviction in New York for conspiring to have witnesses and prosecutors killed. He filed a civil suit in 2005, but five weeks ago U.S. District Judge Lee Rosenthal declared that the former prosecutors two of whom are now sitting federal judges had immunity for their actions.

The history of what exactly happened 30 years ago will always be hazy, but Rosenthal's ruling makes one thing clear: The government lied and locked a man up, and there's not much he can do about it ...

http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-05-03/news/spy-stories...
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:12 PM
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15. new kick and note further discussion at following thread
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:21 AM
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18. and here's a timeline of the public events.
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 02:24 AM by JackRiddler
1) Vincennes downs Iranian airbus.

2) Lockerbie.

3) Circuit board found.

4) U.S. officials insinuate Syria the terror-sponsor state did it as contracter for Iran.

5) Iraq invades Kuwait.

6) U.S. switches to open accusation against Libya.

7) Bush Sr. visits Assad Sr. to recruit him for Gulf War.

8) Sanctions on Libya for more than decade.

9) Libya caves, produces 2 suspects for Scottish trial (held in Netherlands).

10) One acquittal. One conviction. Libya pays ransom to lift sanctions, signs confession, even as Gaddafi continues to deny the verdict.

11) After 9/11, Libya and U.S. reconcile, Gaddafi takes a moral membership in the GWoT, practically makes love to Bush Jr.

12) 15 years later, Scottish police chief says CIA planted circuit board.

13) Scottish review board orders re-trial of convict.

I think any U.S. credibility in making a case against Libya vanished somewhere between 6 and 7.
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:32 AM
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19. Here two important articles
showing ... let'ssay ... a ertain interest in having some people aboard this plane killed before they talk ....


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Lockerbie/Story/0,2763,740115...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,975399...
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