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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:23 PM
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Health Care propaganda circulating the Internets
Edited on Wed Oct-03-07 03:38 PM by garybeck
This email came to me as one of those "forwarded, forwarded, forwarded..." emails. I'm suspicious of the authenticity of it but maybe I've just become conditioned to think that way. But it sure seems like another attempt to scare people away from universal health care. Some of the "facts" don't match what other Canadians have told me, who usually seem to say they like the system up there. I don't know who "Lyle" is, where he's from, or if he's a real person. But this email must be getting some mileage if my mother-in-law sent it to me. She knows better....

ON EDIT: Update--
As Jacktster points out in reply #1, I'm not the only one who smells a rat on this email, but it does seem to be getting a lot of exposure. Snopes.Com is investigating this as a possible fraudulent email. For an update check:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp



I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.

First of all:

1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96. for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes directly to health care our #1 expense.

2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it is more like a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.

3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs. Have a pain here is a drug to take- not what is causing the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement

4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.

6) Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125. for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60. for each visit for him to check it out each week.

7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list . Died before he could get treatment.

8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

9)The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.

10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it. Despite paying into the health care system all these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canadais a health care system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.

11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy.

13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.

14) Oh yeh we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered but the health care system.

I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.

Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.

Best regards,

Lyle

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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:30 PM
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1. snopes is on it....
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:33 PM
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3. WOW, THANKS that's amazing. I didn't know they were that good.
I would LOVE to write back to my mother in law and show her the email is fabricated. I'll keep watching that Snopes page. Thanks for the tip!!!!!!!:thumbsup:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:31 PM
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2. Geez, "Lyle," if I could get healthcare for $96 a month I'd be dancing
in the streets. I'll leave the rest for our Canadian friends to comment on. No doubt it's 99.999% baloney.
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:33 PM
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4. Sounds like it was written and distributed by
the pharmaceutical companies and for-profit health care clinics and hospitals. Slightly updated from the 1990s -- sounds VERY familiar.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:36 PM
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5. God I hate these emails. The best way to stop them is not
to forward them or reply to them. I got one on SS. I wrote back to the sender, a friend of mine, and told her not to send me this crap again. I went through the email and refuted their arguments with facts and sources to back them up. She sent my email back to the sender with what I said. LOL. She's waiting to hear back from him. So far she's hearing crickets.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:41 PM
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6. I hate them too but they are very powerful.
I like what Snopes.com is doing about it
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:51 PM
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9. OR... "reply to all", with the *correct* information. Guaranteed to get you either
good conversation, or removed from the spam lists.

Either way, you win.

:hi:
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:11 PM
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13. or, if it's from your mother in law, you'll end up in the doghouse :)
but I'd rather be right and in the doghouse
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:15 AM
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14. There are tough choices in the world of politics.
At least, that's what they keep telling me...

:hi:

Does room service come with the accomodations in said dog house? :)
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:42 PM
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7. the neo cons spend a lot of money on propaganda and not letting people
know what is really going on. You notice we get so little real news from overseas. it is practically a blackout. They also spend money on third party candidates, in order to split the vote of democrats. They have been royally pi$$ed off ever since Perot split the republican vote and allowed Clinton to win the white house, and now use that tactic to their advantage, with propaganda thrown in. In order to promote the Iraq war they even tried to rewrite history as when George Will declared there had been no French resistance in WWII.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:48 PM
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8. two more posts for you :)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:54 PM
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10. On #1 -- taxes.. don't forget to mention to people about the hidden taxes USians pay...
like upwards of $2000 on the price of a new car, etc.

How's that for 'informed"...hehehe
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:55 PM
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11. Let's get this some REcs, folks... health care astroturf is gonna be heating up!
We need to be prepared, ...

Well, if we're actually SERIOUS about wanting health care.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:58 PM
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12. Here is my response to that piece of crap...
I started out to refute each of the points, got a little ways into and realized it was a total waste of my time. This e-mail is a towering pile of BULL SHIT. It is a bought-and-paid-for piece of crap from the HMOS and Pharmaceutical Industries. Looks like MM has them VERY concerned.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:17 AM
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15. Won't some of you join me in recommending this important topic?
Do we actually want health care?
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