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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:42 AM
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Troops Take Back Control in Myanmar
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 02:06 AM by Breeze54
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MYANMAR?SITE=FLROC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-09-29-00-34-46">Troops Take Back Control in Myanmar

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YANGON, Myanmar (AP) — Soldiers and police took control of the streets Friday, firing warning shots and tear gas to scatter the few pro-democracy protesters who ventured out as Myanmar's military junta sealed off Buddhist monasteries and cut public Internet access.

On the third day of a harsh government crackdown, the streets were empty of the mass gatherings that had peacefully challenged the regime daily for nearly two weeks, leaving only small groups of activists to be chased around by security forces.

"Bloodbath again! Bloodbath again!" a Yangon resident yelled while watching soldiers break up one march by shooting into air, firing tear gas and beating people with clubs.

Thousands of monks had provided the backbone of the protests, but they were besieged in their monasteries, penned in by locked gates and barbed wire surrounding the compounds in the two biggest cities, Yangon and Mandalay. Troops stood guard outside and blocked nearby roads to keep the clergymen isolated.

Additional troops arrived in the two cities overnight. Soldiers and police were stationed on almost every street corner in Yangon. Shopping malls, grocery stores and public parks were closed, and only a handful of residents ventured out.

The monks remained inside their monasteries late Saturday morning with troops remaining on guard outside and blocking nearby roads. The streets of the Yangon and Mandalay were quiet.

Many Yangon residents seemed pessimistic over the crackdown, fearing it fatally weakened a movement that began nearly six weeks ago as small protests over fuel price hikes and grew into demonstrations by tens of thousands demanding an end to 45 years of military rule.

The corralling of monks was a serious blow. They carry high moral authority in this predominantly Buddhist nation of 54 million people and the protests had mushroomed when the clergymen joined in.

"The monks are the ones who give us courage. I don't think that we have any more hope to win," said a young woman who had taken part in a huge demonstration Thursday that broke up when troops shot protesters. She said she had not seen her boyfriend and feared he was arrested.

Hundreds of people have been arrested, including Win Mya Mya, an outspoken member of the country's main opposition group, the National League for Democracy, who was taken overnight, according to family members.

Anger over the junta's assaults on democracy activists seethed around the globe. Protesters denounced the generals at gatherings across the United States, Europe and Asia.

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The government has said police and soldiers killed 10 people, including a Japanese journalist, in the first two days of the crackdown, but dissident groups put the number as high as 200.

Diplomats and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Friday the junta's figure probably was greatly understated, based on the reports of witnesses and others. They provided no estimates of their own and cautioned that witness reports had not been verified.

Getting accurate casualty figures has been difficult, with many residents too afraid to speak out and foreign journalists barred from openly entering Myanmar. Soldiers and police were going door-to-door at some hotels in Yangon looking for foreigners.

Violence continued Friday, but there no immediate reports of deaths from the government or dissident groups.

Just a few blocks from the Sule Pagoda in downtown Yangon, some 2,000 protesters armed only with insults and boos briefly confronted soldiers, wearing green uniforms with red bandanas around their necks and holding shields and automatic weapons.

As the crowd drew near, the soldiers fired bullets in the air, sending most of the protesters scurrying away. A handful of demonstrators still walked toward the troops but were beaten with clubs and dragged into trucks to be driven away.

"Why don't the Americans come to help us? Why doesn't America save us?" said an onlooker who didn't want to be identified for fear of reprisal from the junta.

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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:47 AM
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1. Conflicted
"Why don't the Americans come to help us? Why doesn't America save us?" said an onlooker who didn't want to be identified for fear of reprisal from the junta.

Not sure how I feel about that statement.....
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:51 AM
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2. Me neither . Gave me chills. The whole thing is chilling.
And now the police and soldiers are actively searching for "foreigners". :scared:

Meant to add to my OP that there are some pics at the link.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:02 AM
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3. That's what got my attention too.
Right now, America's not going to do much "saving" even if it comes to help...
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:06 AM
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4. Nor should we
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 02:06 AM by Rage for Order
I'm opposed to us being involved in the civil war in Iraq, and I'm equally opposed to us intervening in any civil war in Burma. If the UN wants to send in peace keepers, with a couple of hundred US troops as part of the contingent, fine, but the US should not go in there, even if we had the capacity to do so.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:12 AM
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5. I agree , but I doubt the UN will go in either except the special envoy to Myanmar

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http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MYANMAR?SITE=FLROC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-09-29-00-34-46

The United Nations' special envoy to Myanmar, Ibrahim Gambari, was heading to the country to promote a political solution and could arrive as early as Saturday, one Western diplomat said on condition of anonymity.

While some analysts thought negotiations an unlikely prospect, the diplomat said the junta's decision to let Gambari in "means they may see a role for him and the United Nations in mediating dialogue with the opposition and its leaders."


World pressure has made little impact on the junta over the years. Its members are highly suspicious of the outside world, and they have shrugged off intense criticism over such actions as keeping pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi under house arrest.

Much of the regime's defiance - and ability to withstand economic sanctions imposed by the West - stems from the diplomatic and financial support of neighboring China. Another neighbor, India, also has refrained from pressuring the junta.

Analysts say that as long as those two giant countries remain silent and other Southeast Asian countries keep investing in Myanmar, it is unlikely the junta will show any flexibility. Every other time the regime has been challenged by its own people, it has responded with force.

Still, China has been urging the regime in recent months to get moving with long-stalled political reforms, and on Friday the Chinese government told its citizens to reconsider any trips planned to Myanmar.

Myanmar's fellow members in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations expressed "revulsion" over the crackdown and told the junta "to exercise utmost restraint and seek a political solution." Officials in neighboring Thailand said planes were on standby to evacuate ASEAN citizens in case the situation deteriorated.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:16 AM
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6. Will the UN ever stand up for anything?
The UN can't be bothered to intervene in a military dictatorship where hundreds of people, including monks, are being killed for peacefully protesting. Oh, I'm sure there will be a strongly worded resolution protesting the actions of the gov't of Burma. That's a big help. The UN can't be bothered to assist Burma, they've practically turned a blind eye to Darfur...what is it that they do again?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:19 AM
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7. Well, China and India sure aren't doing anything to help either!
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 02:19 AM by Breeze54
"Much of the regime's defiance - and ability to withstand economic sanctions imposed
by the West - stems from the diplomatic and financial support of neighboring China.
Another neighbor, India, also has refrained from pressuring the junta."

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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:23 AM
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9. I know, it's pathetic
I'm just very angry that no country is doing anything to discourage Burma's gov't from using violence to put down this uprising, either individually or through the UN. In theory the UN is in the best position to put peace keepers on th eground. If the Burmese military attacked the UN forces, in theory they'd be attacking every member of the UN. Unfortunately, this scenario only exists in theory.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:20 AM
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8. The UN might have to go to war like in N. Korea.
And if China isn't a fan of that, well.. you see how this ends.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:29 AM
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10. Express yourself to the people of Burma!
Express yourself to the people of Burma!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:37 AM
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11. It says a lot about the limits of power that we don't even know exactly what's going on from hour to
hour, let alone being in any position to help.

It has been weird watching al the conflicting or confused news reports today.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:45 AM
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12. It's pretty scary that they've cut the internet.
How do they block satellite? Don't the people there have dishes or are they not allowed?

Try this for possible new video and information!
http://english.dvb.no/

http://english.dvb.no/news.php?id=15">Iran, Burma work to increase ties Great!! :sarcasm:

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:05 PM
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15. I'm sure it's the 'they're not allowed' to have dishes, that and
the place is pretty poor to begin with so, you'd have people relying on cables to mainland Asia (in this case, Thailand, I believe) for such communications, with internet cafes and things of that nature, and wireless connecting to those land (and underwater) lines by proxy.

I'm sure foreign reporters using sat internet have it working just fine.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:50 AM
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13. The regime calls it "Myanmar"; the U.S. and U.K. officially call it "Burma".
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:33 AM
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14. Please be aware of the 4 paragraph limit on excerpts from sources
From the DU rules:

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