Kyl-Lieberman up for debate then vote now

[MiniMe]

[annabanana]

1. Lieberman up first

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. and thus world war III begins

damn you & AIPAC

[annabanana]

2. Says it's for ECONOMIC pressure

[annabanana]

3. They struck some paragraphs... anyone got the new wording?

[goodgd_yall]

12. I read on another thread that it doesn't change it much

But I don't have the wording.

[bdamomma]

105. this article may help you

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/kyllieberman_iran_amendment_passes_by_huge_margin.php

[Mass]

4. Sense of the Senate, so many Dems will feel authorize to vote for it.

I am sure.

[annabanana]

6. Webb objecting to our declaration of offician Iranian Guard as

combatants

[blondeatlast]

9. Good for him. I haven't read it, but knowing Kyl (he's my Senator)

he's very sneaky and is a RRR up and comer. Yuck.

[annabanana]

7. yeas & nays called

[MiniMe]

8. Voting now

[blondeatlast]

10. I'm not even watching and I'm almost shaking.

Please God, don't let it pass, don't let it pass. Please.

[annabanana]

11. They are not reading the votes out loud

[goodgd_yall]

13. Is that what's going on?

[annabanana]

15. yup. . voting on wording that I haven't read yet. . .

[TwilightGardener]

14. They're just calling roll, but some are voting during roll. Not official vote yet.

[goodgd_yall]

16. OK, thanks.

[blondeatlast]

17. Can you get any sense of what's happening? Thanks. nt

[TwilightGardener]

18. HOLY SHIT!! This will pass--big.

[Mass]

21. Durbin and Boxer AYE, so Yes it will pass big

[blondeatlast]

23. Jesus--no. How? Why? Just rhetorical--I'm sure you are asastonished as I am. nt

[annabanana]

19. lautenberg voted for it

both nelsons
levin
boxer
schumer

[annabanana]

34. Lincoln no - Clinton yes

[AllyCat]

51. Clinton YES???? Why is ANYONE voting for her in '08???

God she is just awful. This whole Congress is nothing but worthless, with a few fighters trying to work for us.

Horrible. Just horrible.

[Pacifist Patriot]

Lautenberg voted for it???? Lautenberg?

[blondeatlast]

20. Let's get this on the home page--need three more as I post. nt

[goodgd_yall]

22. Boxer, AYE!??

[annabanana]

she just changed it!

[goodgd_yall]

24. Biden, NO

[goodgd_yall]

29. I was wrong---Boxer, NO

[TwilightGardener]

25. Feingold, Hagel, Webb, Leahy, Kennedy--no. Well, that tells me all I need to know--

these are the best of the Senate. Lugar no, as well.

[Mass]

26. Kennedy NO.

At least 1/2 of my senators will vote NO.

[TwilightGardener]

27. Boxer changes her vote!! WTF?

[Mass]

30. Good for her !!

[goodgd_yall]

35. Yes, that was a shock to me at first.

[The Stranger]

28. Amazing, isn't it, that while DU is having Two Minutes hate, this passes in quiet.

[babylonsister]

39. There've been numerous threads about this on DU. Look around. nt

[The Stranger]

47. All I see are the Ahmedinijad Two Minutes Hate threads.

I am looking around. This is what I see.

[goodgd_yall]

56. I agree. Big distraction.

[Occulus]

90. See that little box at the end of the thread title?

That hides the thread from view.

Don't like it, don't look at it. Simple.

[babylonsister]

96. Here's a few from yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1901454&mesg_id=1901454

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1901245&mesg_id=1901245

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1903237&mesg_id=1903237

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1902814

[bdamomma]

106. numerous threads and what I can gather this is not

an amendment to invade Iran. Am I right?

[Supersedeas]

49. *knods*

[Spazito]

98. Yep, the diversion worked very well, imo

All the kerfuffle about a man who has little power and is merely a loud-mouth blowhard takes precedence over a vote that may well have given bush the authority to bomb the shit out of Iran in the same way the Iraq vote occurred.

Unbelievable and fucking nuts, imo.

[annabanana]

31. (word must be getting around the floor)

[WilliamPitt]

61. That's the worst thing I've read all week

"Aye...wha? Oh shit, gotta read those bills...stupid stupid stupid...Nay!...too late? Oh well..."

Jesus. Sometimes I actually forget.

If I were in the Senate, I'd just wander around yelling random shit during votes. "Banana!" "Nerf!" "I make in my pants sometimes!" "I took the Lindberg baby!" "Fudge!" "Nerf again!"

Yeesh.

:(

[TwilightGardener]

32. Clinton aye. Oh well.

[goodgd_yall]

41. I'm back to the drawing board

on who to vote for now.

[MoonRiver]

What a tool.

But I will still vote for her in the general if she gets the Dem nom.

Edit: I think Ahmadinejad is despicable. But it is definitely NOT in our best interests as a country to be so aggressively in the face of Iran.

[TwilightGardener]

99. I won't vote for her--not after today.

[goodgd_yall]

33. BAD---Clinton AYE

You'd think she'd learn her lesson.

[babylonsister]

36. Were any changes made in this, as Reid suggested would happen? nt

[annabanana]

42. Yes - The worst paragraphs were removed BUT

Calling the Iranian National Guard official enemies was left in.

[goodgd_yall]

60. Is the word "combat" still in there?

[Vadem]

57. Yes, Lieberman said that paragraphs 2 and 3 of the amendment

were changed because some of his colleagues thought it was an opening to declare war on Iran. The changes were not read by the clerk.

[TwilightGardener]

37. Inouye no, Lincoln no. Cantwell no. Some of these Dems are changing their votes--why?

[uppityperson]

66. Cantwell voted no. Sometimes she surprises me and listens.

[annabanana]

38. Reed yes (sigh)

[Mass]

43. Not Reed, Reid.

Though I do not know if Reed voted.

[Mass]

58. Reed AYE as well.

[bdamomma]

107. that is my Senator I will call his office to get clarification and

Whitehouse too.

[weeve]

40. sellouts

Clinton - aye. Why am I not surprised. Unbelievable that they'd enable Bush's warmongering ways even the slightest bit. This is a BIG greenlight people.

[Individualist]

52. Just as I expected

Know your DLC:

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_DLC_agenda_undistinguishable_from_Neocon_0813.html

[TwilightGardener]

44. So far two Repubs no--Hagel and Lugar. Klobuchar changes vote to no.

[Akoto]

45. Sorry for my ignorance, but ...

I can't get to the television right now. What are they voting for, exactly? I don't know what the amendment seeks to do.

[Pacifist Patriot]

46. Declare war on Iran.

At least that sure is what the language sounds like.

[annabanana]

53. There's new wording. . most offensive removed

(or so I've been told)

[TwilightGardener]

67. Webb was still warning against it. Still not a good amendment.

[blondeatlast]

50. It's kind of authorizing Bush to attack Iran.

This is s "sense of the Senate" (non-binding) but it gives us an idea of how things will go when it's really being voted on.

[Beelzebud]

48. Get ready for the party faithful to come tell us not to be enraged about this.

How many fucking times do we have to sit and watch this happen?

WHERE IS OUR FUCKING REPRESENTATION?

[Mass]

54. GIven the number of dems who changed their vote to NO, I think the message has passed

[annabanana]

64. (hasn't gotten to Hillary yet)

[Mass]

71. That surprises you?

[Supersedeas]

62. makes ya wonder

[TwilightGardener]

55. Reed of RI--aye, Stabenow aye. Surprised at Reed.

[cali]

59. this is just beyond belief.

Those voting for this are fools or knaves. This, to me, is as bad as the IWR, even if it doesn't really authorize anything. They may not be handing bushco a loaded gun, but they're blithely giving him extra ammunition.

To those voting for this:

Have you no shame? Have you no conscience at all?

[blondeatlast]

68. I just don't want to believe it, but I'm witnessing it as it happens.

I'm inconsolable at this point. My nation has failed me.

I'm sobbing, I really am.

[Beelzebud]

95. Not really. The Dems have been shameful lately.

It's only a surprise if you've had your head in the sand...

[AllyCat]

63. Anyone know how Kohl (D-WI) voted? I'm glad Feingold voted no

but that's to be expected. Kohl is never a sure thing.

[AllyCat]

103. Idiot voted AYE. Figures. God I wish someone would run against him

here. Not even the Repukes will put a challenge to him (Lorge was no challenge). They'll happily challenge Feingold, but never Kohl. God I wish he'd just retire.

[weeve]

65. E tu, Whitehouse ?

All I can hope is that some of the Dems are voting this way now, so they can later justify their NO votes when it's more of a binding vote. Still, this triangulation is exactly what got us into the Iraq mess in the first place. Guess my call to Patty Murray's office yesterday was for naught.

[goodgd_yall]

83. Maybe they threw out the word "combat" and that made it more acceptable

Maybe it sounds like a condemnation now????

[TwilightGardener]

69. Kerry--no.

[Mass]

79. Good for him.

[annabanana]

70. 76 ayes. . passed

[blondeatlast]

80. Good Lord. I can't, don't want to believe it, but I heard it for myself.

How can it be?

[TwilightGardener]

85. Weak Democrats, always afraid of looking weak on defense and terror--that's how it can be.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

82. OMFG!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!

:cry: What the hell is the matter with these people!!!! :cry:

[Vinca]

72. Don't these people hear the drumbeat for war???????

They're playing right into Dick's plan. OMFG - they just agreed to the amendment.

[TwilightGardener]

75. Chickenshits--the few who voted NO cared more about avoiding war than

political calculation and re-election.

[Beelzebud]

78. The only conclusion to draw, is that they AGREE with it.

This is why many of us are sick and fucking tired of the Democratic party.

WHERE IS THE OPPOSITION TO THIS MADNESS?

[Individualist]

86. Love of the military industrial complex isn't limited to the right

[goodgd_yall]

73. Did Obama vote?

[TwilightGardener]

81. Did not hear it. If he didn't I'd be pissed.

[goodgd_yall]

84. Seems like Biden was the only candidate to do the right thing then

If Obama wasn't there to vote.

[blondeatlast]

87. Biden just scored some points with me. Right now, the ME is THE issue. nt

[goodgd_yall]

89. Same here

[jillan]

88. Obama voted -

not sure how tho. But I heard his name, because he did not vote on the Biden amendment.

[goodgd_yall]

91. I don't think anybody heard his vote called out though n/t

[Mass]

92. Dodd as well.

[goodgd_yall]

100. Sorry---I was going by my failing memory. I thought he voted NO.

[Mass]

102. Which would be the correct vote. Clinton voted YES. Biden voted NO.

[MiniMe]

94. They just had something on the screen that said Obama didn't vote

[goodgd_yall]

101. Now, what's his excuse.

[Individualist]

74. The Senate has just opened Pandora's box

:scared:

[cali]

76. anyone know how Sanders voted? Or Obama? nt

[AllyCat]

104. Sanders-no; Obama-not voting

The HRC folks are having a field day with this that he didn't show. Of course, they don't make any mention of the fact that she voted for this piece of $hit.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

77. watching Liebs on the senate floor, smirking like

he just won the grand prize game, makes me want to vomit.


76 vs. 22?

The sliver of a silver lining is that it is not binding. that means nothing to cheney, tho. this is a war resolution, and we are about to see Iran attacked.

[robinlynne]

93. We should be marching on this congress by the millions.

[blondeatlast]

97. Looking for the record on Thoma; can't find it. Anyone know the bill number? Thanks. nt

[bdamomma]

108. look here

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

[blondeatlast]

109. Thanks. for some reason I just couldn't get it--prolly too damn pissed off to

think or type well!