Fuck Ahmadinejad.

[Sapphire Blue]

:puke:

[TwilightGardener]

1. Yup. Hopefully the Iranian people will see this tin-pot dictator for what

he is, and get rid of him. He's an embarrassment to them.

[Babsbrain]

6. Is he a dictator?

I thought he was democratically elected.

[cali]

15. He is democratically elected and in the last elections

his party took a thumping; a direct reflection of his popularity. Like bush, he's widely hated by many Iranians.

[LittleClarkie]

18. I'm convinced his people would get rid of him if we didn't keep rallying them to him

with our tactics. Much as you might hate a president, you will rally to him in crisis.

[bdamomma]

21. Yea, not to many Iranians care for him, but the Ayatollahs run

the country.

[cali]

25. Yes, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khameni

has command of the armed forces and the power to declare war, but the President is not merely a figurehead.

[bdamomma]

43. Ahmadinejad not a figure head, I thought he was

especially if he has bigger powers pulling strings.

[BuyingThyme]

42. And he has little power when he is popular, thus

the president of Iran can only be identified as a dictator by people who are not afraid of looking like Republicans (stupidheads).

[originalpckelly]

22. Cough *Democratically* Cough *Elected*

Haven't we got one of those hanging out in the White House? ;-)

When the choices in an election are previously determined by other than democratic methods, you can't call the winner of the election "democratically elected".

[Strelnikov_]

28. No. He is little more than a Govt. Spokesman. A Persian Limbaugh

on the payroll, just like here.

The Supreme Leader and the Guardian Council run the show.

[EFerrari]

36. Do you have any idea what that word means or any idea

how the Iranian government is structured? This man is a bureaucrat, not a dictator.

[Spazito]

2. Fuck Bush bush has more power and attacked

a sovereign country, Ahmadinejad has not, cannot, so this is for bush :puke:

[bdamomma]

5. exactly,

this is for :puke: *

and the Iranian Ayatollahs have more power than Ahmadinejad does.

[Sapphire Blue]

8. Yes, him, too, and his cronies.

:puke:

[Tom Joad]

30. fuck bush. and olmert too.

[Sapphire Blue]

35. And Fox.

Vincente & Murdoch's 'news' channel.

[guruant]

10. ...

Well no shit, Bush is horrible. Does somebody need to interject this into every topic about Iran's President? This is DU, we already know how bad Bush is.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Because nobody uses Bush for warmongering an attack on the U.S.

[Dr. Strange]

17. REALLY?!?

I didn't know it! Who is this Bush person? He sounds evil.

Welcome to DU, guruant!
:hi:

[Freedomofspeech]

3. Well, good luck to them...

because we can't get rid of our own crackpot president. Let's not throw stones.

[PM Martin]

4. Ahmadinejad is a kook in the manner that Bush is one.

Both of them are guilty of using double speak and sloganeering as a means to confuse and control the public. We need a Democrat in the Whitehouse, because only they can deal with Ahmadinejad in the proper manner. I would hate to see a war with Iran, especially if it is Bush v. Ahmadinejad. Two kooks fighting with powerful weapons and peoples lives is just too unnerving for me.

[babylonsister]

12. The proper manner being actually communicating with him?

That might work/what a novel idea!

[PM Martin]

16. I am all for communication. But these two are kookie.

A reasonable Democrat will be able to rally Europe, Canada, and Japan behind a unified front. That would be enough to stop Ahmadinejad from building a nuclear bomb. Talks will be central part of this operation. War will be the last option, but not with Bush though.

[Zandor]

7. K & R

He is vile.

[bdamomma]

19. who is vile?? our dictator or theirs?

who has killed more people than our own dictator *??

[Zandor]

33. Both n/t

[SayWhatYo]

51. Can't be both. It has to be one or the other. Don't you read the posts??

[LeftishBrit]

56. Both are vile!

[Babsbrain]

20. I thought him to be a very compassionate person

[bdamomma]

45. I thought he was very truthful, we have no right to throw stones.

look at what we have in our WH.

[Sapphire Blue]

48. We can actually throw stones in more than one direction... especially when they're both...

... so well-deserved.

[Babsbrain]

49. If bush says he is vile and evil, then this guy must be a living saint

[SayWhatYo]

52. hehe...

[Sapphire Blue]

55. It's not about what bush says; it's about what Ahmadinejad says.

Regarding their comments about each other, they're both good at projecting.

[LeftishBrit]

58. Sure. A COMPASSIONATE far-rightie; now *where* did I hear of a compassionate conservative before?

The enemy of our enemy ISN'T our friend.

[cali]

9. I agree. I take no more offense at "fuck Ahmadinejad"

then I do at fuck bush. He's a real piece of work. his proclamation that their are no gays in Iran gave me the creeps. He's a Holocaust denying, anti-semitic, religious whackjob. And people defending him because they're afraid we're gonna attack Iran, are defending hate.

[Rex]

11. And what is scary?

We too have a crazy fucker in charge of our country that really wants to go to war, Iraq is getting lame and he needs a new spectacle.

[porphyrian]

13. Younger Iranians do, and he would never have risen to power if it weren't for our actions in the ME.

But, by acting the role of foreign invaders, we've kept their radical clergy in power and prevented what was an inevitable Westernization. We, in large part, made the bed they're having to lay in, and certainly we've made our own.

[bdamomma]

24. exactly, we had our hand into what kind of leadership Iran has now

we just can't keep our noses out of someone's elses country.

[PleaseSayItAintSo]

23. Did anyone else notice

Here's one of Pelley's questions:

"I asked President Bush what he would say to you if he were sitting in this chair. And he told me-quote-speaking to you, that you’ve made terrible choices for your people. You’ve isolated your nation you’ve taken a nation of proud and honorable people and made your country the pariah of the world. These are President Bush’s words to you," Pelley said. "What’s your reply?"

Was W talking about Iran or what he's done for the USA during his reign?

[bdamomma]

26. sounds like * is talking about what he has done to this country.

[tears4terra]

27. Yep, Projecting!

They are so similar and yet so far away. It's the whole sky god belief thing, I guess. I honestly don't get these religious zealots. Any of them!

[Rex]

32. He will be remembered for those words.

History loves a fool as much as a hero.

[distantearlywarning]

29. Thanks. K&R

I was getting concerned today viewing all the pro-Ahmadinejad threads. Evil is evil, whether it presides over Iran or America. Just because Bush and the rest of the RW nutjob hate him is no reason to assume he's a good person, or even that his government is superior to our own. A stopped clock is right twice a day, and the enemy of your enemy isn't necessarily your friend.

[Swamp Rat]

31. I learned a couple of things:

1) Ahmadinejad is clearly more intelligent than Bushler, 2) but Bushler has a better tailor.



:D

[EFerrari]

34. LOL!

[Swamp Rat]

38. Oi sfexpat2000!

:hi: :hug:

[Bluerthanblue]

65. -

you're cute~
:hi:
blu

[Warren DeMontague]

69. That's setting the bar pretty low.

Actually, that's setting BOTH bars pretty low.

[harun]

37. I wonder when B*sh will be going to Tehran university to be cross

examined like they just did to Ahmadinijad?

[Bluerthanblue]

66. probably around the same time he apologizes to the world

for his actions.

* won't even let the people he governs confront him- never mind a hostile foreign country.

I'm ashamed that Columbia invited Abdin. only to use this as a platform to make fools of everyone- themselves included.

fuck everyone

[Zandor]

"Fuck Ahmadinejad." Hits the Greatest Page!

Good work, DUers!

[EFerrari]

41. Yes, what a reasoned and solid response. n/t

[superkia]

39. We need to worry about our own dictators!

[Zandor]

50. Dictatorship?

Guess I can stop worrying about election irregularities.

[Cameron27]

40. I agree

[AlCzervik]

44. lets' see he invokes his personal deity a lot, doesn't like gays and likes Nuclear power

he's dictator the rw could really wrap their arms around.

[the other one]

46. Another well-reasoned, well-supported argument.

Lets not forget that Iran was behind 911.

[THUNDER HANDS]

47. frankly, theres no difference between how he runs his country

and how Bush or any other republican would run this country if they had no opposition.

[SayWhatYo]

53. Yeap... point that out to a religious republican and they get mad too...

[Pastiche423]

54. Ahmadinejad affects your life, how?

[Sapphire Blue]

62. Ahmadinejad affects my life, how? In no way... and in every way...

First they came…
by Pastor Martin Niemoller


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Then They Came for Me
by Stephen F. Rohde, Esq.


First they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Muslim.

Then they came to detain immigrants indefinitely solely upon the certification of the Attorney General, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't an immigrant.

Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their attorneys, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a suspect.

Then they came to prosecute non-citizens before secret military commissions, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a non-citizen.

Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced "sneak and peek" searches, and I didn't speak up because I had nothing to hide.

Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration and surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, and I didn't speak up because I had stopped participating in any groups.

Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy because it aided the terrorists and gave ammunition to America's enemies, and I didn't speak up because...... I didn't speak up.

Then they came for me....... and by that time no one was left to speak up.


Stephen Rohde, a constitutional lawyer and President of the ACLU of Southern California, is indebted to the inspiration of Rev. Martin Niemoller (1937).


http://www.janrainwater.com/htdocs/Rohde.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Then they came for me... (an updated version)
by Sapphire Blue


First they came for the welfare mothers, but I did not speak out; I wasn't a welfare mother.

Then they came for the union workers with union busting tactics, but I did not speak out; I wasn't a union worker.

Then they came for the minimum wage workers, by refusing to raise the minimum wage, but I did not speak out; I wasn't a minimum wage worker.

Then they came for the unemployed, setting stricter eligibility standards, but I did not speak out; I was not unemployed.

Then they came for the homeless, reducing funding for low-income housing, criminalizing sitting on the street, criminalizing sleeping in public, but I did not speak out; I was not homeless.

Then they came for the hungry people, reducing funding for food assistance programs, but I did not speak out; I was not hungry.

Then they came for the Katrina victims & survivors, but I did not speak out. I couldn't speak out. You see, several weeks before Katrina, I lost my job, I lost my car... I had no money & no way to evacuate. I drowned in the flood.


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sapphire%20Blue/98

[Pastiche423]

67. You're afraid that Ahmadinejad is coming to get you?

Where does that fear come from? What has he done to make you feel that way?

[Sapphire Blue]

68. Do you really not get it, or are you just pretending?

[Pastiche423]

71. Since you won't answer my 1st question

it's pretty difficult to understand just what it is you want me to get.

[question everything]

57. LOL, why do you hate America?

:sarcasm:

DUers need to realize that exposing him for the suppressor of human rights does not mean supporting an invasion of Iran.

That he, like Chavez, are despicable democratically elected ego maniacals (like Hitler) who should be detested by any freedom loving people in the world.

Apparently, many DUers do not see themselves in this light, preferring, instead, to follow Bush's dogma of "you are either with us or against us."

And I always thought that we, liberals, do not see the world in black and white.

[smalll]

59. I agree - but I think your headline should be-

"This is the thread where we say 'Fuck Amadinejad.'" I just like that particular formulation.

[walldude]

60. Yup that's pretty much our forign policy in a nutshell

and it's done so well for us up till now...

[LittleClarkie]

61. Indeed. Love not War.

Oh, is that not what you meant?

[Odin2005]

63. The Ahmadinejad apologists are ridiculous.

Just somebody or some regime hates Bush does not make that person or regime good. Iran is a theocracy in which people can only vote for people approved by the theocrats. Ahmadinejad is the Iranian equivalent of W.

[AuntPatsy]

64. Your not paying attention if you think they are appologizing for his actions and or words.

But nice way to put a spin on things around here in the past couple of days.

[lonestarnot]

70. Too late to recommend.