****Ahmadinejad at Columbia THREAD 2****

[LSK]

Its playing on CSPAN3 right now.


Thread 1:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1891031&mesg_id=1891031

[MadBadger]

1. And MSNBC

[bdamomma]

2. thanks LSK

[MadBadger]

3. Drug Trafficking is the same as homosexuals. Wow.

[Zandor]

11. But he's charismatic!

LOL

[devilgrrl]

63. If that's the case, why are so many Iranians stoners?

Or is he just referring to heroin?

[TornadoTN]

4. Likening the justice system in the US to that of Iran

[ChairmanAgnostic]

35. we torture, hold folks without charges, and have the death penalty

Lots of our GOP law and order types would love it in Iran.

[Blackhatjack]

5. And selling drugs in Iran is subject to capital punishment...

[winter999]

58. Also being homosexual.

[Sparkly]

6. Claims there are no homosexuals in Iran.

[piesRsquare]

13. "We do not have this phenomenon" i.e. "homosexuality"

Dickhead.

[MadBadger]

7. They don't have homosexuals because they kill them probably

piece of shit.

[Cameron27]

8. He doesn't have homosexuals in his country.

He's a pontificating asshole.

[TornadoTN]

9. "Iran doesn't have homosexuals like in your country"

[TornadoTN]

14. " I don't know who told you that, but we do not have this phenomenon in our country" - gays

[goodgd_yall]

33. "We are everywhere" Everywhere

[LSK]

10. he says they do not have homosexuals in Iran??? WTF

:wtf:

[Zandor]

21. Maybe they were killed

Homosexuality and adultery are criminal acts and punishable by life imprisonment or death.

[EFerrari]

24. I must not be able to read this guy at all because it sounded

like a joke that everyone would understand as a joke.

[TornadoTN]

37. His body language made it appear that way, but he never addressed the issue regardless

[EFerrari]

41. That's right, he didn't. n/t

[slackmaster]

68. I really don't understand how anyone could be surprised by his remarks on homosexuals

:shrug:

[Blackhatjack]

12. I never knew that Iran had NO HOMOSEXUALS in their country... hmmm

[cali]

18. Who would self-describe as gay knowing you'd be executed?

Can't wait for the next exuse for this nutjob.

[BurtWorm]

22. The Republicans are probably now thinking he's not such a bad guy.

If only he'd tell them how not to have homosexuals in this country...

:eyes:

[TornadoTN]

25. While they secretly soil themselves in fear

We all know they wouldn't last long if their worldview was imposed on the country any more than it already has been.

[shain from kane]

29. Since the pitcher is not considered a homosexual, but the catcher is, and can be stoned to death in

some of the Moslem countries due to homosexuality, we must multiply the incidence of occurrence by about 2 to arrive at the true picture.

[Buns_of_Fire]

96. Absolutely NO homosexuals? Sounds like a franchise opportunity to me!

The Great International Homosexual Agenda, Inc. needs to move on this ASAP! ;-)

[Cameron27]

15. Women are "freed" from may legal issues in Iran

ROFLMAO I suspect that's true.

[goodgd_yall]

27. And freed from political responsibilities--LOL

[TornadoTN]

16. Sept. 11 Questions forthcoming

[TornadoTN]

17. "In Iran, when you invite a guest, you respect them"

[TornadoTN]

20. "I wanted to go to the site to pay my respects to all victims of the tragedy"

[cali]

23. Aww, he doesn't like being questioned about gays?

Isn't that just too fucking bad.

[Zandor]

31. Execute them, under Iran's version of Islamic law.

It's pretty simple for him.

[EFerrari]

75. If you have paid attention, nothing is simple for this man. n/t

[Mike Daniels]

93. Flawed comparison

Wasn't it the UN who invited him?

My understanding is that as the host country we are expected to allow people invited by the UN to enter the country. However, I would hardly say that's the same thing as the US inviting someone directly.

[Blackhatjack]

19. Who in Iran would admit being homosexual if it meant immediate extermination?

[Justitia]

26. The nuke stuff now, things I really want to hear about. -eom

[LSK]

28. see this then

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/LSK/128

[TornadoTN]

30. "IRAN'S NUKE PROGRAM IS A POLITICAL ISSUE, NOT A LEGAL ISSUE"

[LSK]

32. true, per the IAEA

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/LSK/128

[TornadoTN]

34. "Politicians who seek nukes for weapons are retarded, backward"

[TornadoTN]

36. "we want to engage in dialogue with all nations except for the zionist regime"

[goodgd_yall]

38. He said "the Zionist Regime"

[TornadoTN]

40. thanks....typing too quickly and trying to stay on top of it

[goodgd_yall]

50. No problem---I just wanted readers to know because it was a stronger term

[Cameron27]

39. How much power does he actually have,

or is he basically a front man for the mullahs?

[LSK]

49. i have read the doesnt really have much

[AngryAmish]

72. mostly a front man for the fundies

and some of them think he is a nutter.

[Cameron27]

81. That's what I read,

and I think he's pretty much a nut FWIW.

[AngryAmish]

94. I should add, I am by no means an Iranian expert

I just try to read widely.

[goodgd_yall]

45. He has to deal with Israel and stop with his black and white thinking

We have to stop giving so much support to Israel at the expense of Palestinia.--IMO

[LSK]

42. Saddam was supported by the US in an illegal war with Iran

[TornadoTN]

47. No argument here - he nailed that point

[rollin74]

43. he is either in extreme denial...or just a lying scumbag n/t

[LSK]

44. about what? besides the gay issue

[goodgd_yall]

57. Not that you asked me, but

About Israel's right to exist and the magnitude of the holocaust, for one.

[LSK]

67. try and see the issue from the Palestinians point of view

Do you think they liked being forced off their lands? Do you think they like being herded around the West Bank like cattle?

It is a very touchy subject but we cannot even discuss it on DU because the argument goes to fast to name calling and charges of anti-semetism. I think thats what he is trying to say.

Because of what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust, he is saying they get a free pass with that they do to the Palestinians.

[Cameron27]

85. I don't think that's what he was getting at,

he seems to want the Palestinians to have a referendum about the state of Israel. I seem to recall that a good percentage of the Palestinian population left during the 1967 war, expecting the Arab states to wipe it off the face of the earth. I also recall that Jordan never invited the Palestinians to partition any of the Israeli land for a state when it was under their control.

It's not an easy issue to debate, which is why I never venture into the IP forum.

[goodgd_yall]

88. I understand

I am not a supporter of Israeli land acquisitions. Israel went beyond its original borders and I oppose that. The establishment of the state of Israel, from what I've learned, did not so much cause the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis, as did Israel's aggressive displacement of Palestinians in its grab of more land.

Ahmadinejad is wrong to think the Holocaust is why Israel is supported by the U.S. I think it has more to do with a strategic pro-American presence and possibly the large pro-Israel support in the U.S. which politicians are not willing to deal with. But the fact that he believes that the Holocaust is why Israeli aggression is tolerated is why he is a holocaust denyer. He thinks if he can get people to believe the holocaust wasn't "all that," then Israel would lose the support of the U.S. and other nations. His assumption is wrong and he's not winning any support by his approach.

Just so you know where I stand, I believe our relationship with Israel needs to change and our nation needs to see things from the Palestinian point of view, but our news media is biased toward telling the story from the Israeli point of view. If we changed our policies toward Israel, we would get somewhere toward more cooperative relationships with those Muslim countries that see us as the enemy because of our Pro-Israeli stance.

[LSK]

90. interesting observation

You made me understand his backwards logic for his attempts at Holocaust Denying.

Unfortunately, it is so damn hard to discuss this subject without charges of anti-semetism coming up fast.

Thank you for the intelligent discourse.

[PCIntern]

89. He and his ilk don't give a damn about the Palestinians...

why don't people GET THIS?

they only act like they care b/c it's a wedge issue against Israel. If the Palestinians were starving to death in the desert elsewhere, they wouldn't lift one finger.

[Cameron27]

92. I think there's a lot of truth to that,

at least from a historical perspective.

[piesRsquare]

46. I vote for lying scumbag! n/t

[Zandor]

51. Lying scumbag! Yes! n/t

[eShirl]

64. a little from column A, a little from column B

actually A LOT

[gatorboy]

82. If you're talking about the Saddam/Bush connection.

Then welcome to extreme denial yourself. ;)

[bdamomma]

48. ha, * to talk to this man.

forget it, our little coward will not talk to anyone.

[LSK]

52. he is inviting students to come visit Iranian Universities

[soothsayer]

95. all I want are the delicious Iranian pistachio nuts. Seriously, best in the world.

[TornadoTN]

53. Offering to open his nations universities to our students - speak with Iranian students

[bdamomma]

54. 400 Universities in Iran, and they do not stop funding for those

students either. like our government does.

[Zandor]

59. Yes, what a fine progressive he is.

Any update on the number of gay executions?

[EFerrari]

65. Do you? I'd like to know the real numbers. n/t

[piesRsquare]

83. Over 4,000 as of July, 2005

http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/iran/iran.htm

That's all I know right now.

[EFerrari]

97. Where does that number come from? I crawled all over that site

and couldn't find out. It doesn't matter. One would be too much.

[bdamomma]

55. I would love to see Dennis K talk to this man.

[TornadoTN]

61. Indeed.

[Zandor]

73. Why?

[LSK]

56. mixed applause, some boos

[Justitia]

62. Now Nora O'Donnell on MSNBC is giving the nasty rundown. -eom

[LSK]

69. CSPAN3 callers

:D

[bdamomma]

71. oh yes, pumping the propaganda and poison into the sheeple.

[Zandor]

76. Ahmadinejad did it all himself

[TornadoTN]

84. To some extent, but you can't ignore some of his main points

[Breeze54]

60. Ha,ha,ha!! -- "Thanks for NOT answering some of the questions!"

:P That Dean has a good sense of humor!

[bdamomma]

66. oh oh phone lines are open at C span, changing now

not going to listen to those who think that this man is a terrorist, we have our own ruining our country.

[Breeze54]

70. But he's still at the mic on CSpan 3!

And I hear the callers.

[piesRsquare]

74. Isn't it amazing...

...how someone can talk for an hour and say absolutely NOTHING?

Truly amazing...

[EFerrari]

77. If he said nothing, then why is the corporate media

going nuts trying to frame what he didn't say.

[piesRsquare]

86. Cuz HIS nothing is better than THEIR nothing...

...so they've gotta bash his nothing so people don't figure out that what THEY say is nothing.

I guess...:P

[EFerrari]

87. Good call!

lol

[Swamp Rat]

91. Exactly!

[LSK]

79. yes it is amazing how few people can reasonably discuss the Israel/Palestine issue

[harun]

80. He probably learnt the tactic from the Senate Republicans while

watching CSPAN.

[democrat2thecore]

78. Wow. Bizarre and scary.

Maybe they set this whole thing up so as to say, "See? Do YOU want that guy to have nuclear weapons?"
Just kidding. On the other hand......