So how will the right wing / military industry complex steal the 2008 election?

[Botany]

The stakes are to big to let "the other side" to have control

Billions have been stolen, how much oil has been taken from Iraq
will never be known, the number of dead is in the hundreds of
thousands, their level of media manipulation is massive (last night's
20/20 as example), and companies like Blackwater and Haliburton have
become above the rule of law.

But now with almost 70% of Americans ready for a change and to throw
the bums out how will the try to keep power?

[acmavm]

1. Look at California. In case you missed it, the first shots in the war have

been fired by the GOP in that state.

[IDemo]

3. Bob Herbert - NY Times on this topic today

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/22/opinion/22herbert.html?hp

Right now it’s just a petition drive on its way to becoming a ballot initiative in California. But you should think of it as a tropical depression that could develop into a major storm that blows away the Democrats’ chances of winning the White House next year.

And it could become a constitutional crisis.

It’s panic time in Republican circles. The G.O.P. could go into next year’s election burdened by the twin demons of an unpopular war and an economic downturn. The party that took the White House in 2000 while losing the popular vote figures it may have to do it again.

The Presidential Election Reform Act is the name of a devious proposal that Republican operatives have dreamed up to siphon off 20 or more of the 55 electoral votes that the Democrats would get if, as expected, they win California in 2008.

[ShortnFiery]

2. IMO, by ensuring that either a republican or HRC gets elected to The Presidency.

:shrug:

[cali]

4. Do you honestly think there's no difference between the repuke

contenders and HRC?

[Orsino]

9. I'm not in that place yet...

...but I can see it from here. Hillary is obviously the right wing's favorite Dem, but I'd still prefer her over any Republican.

[ShortnFiery]

10. Perhaps a little with social programs, but I believe HRC will keep War Profiteering

in business. :(

[cali]

15. Yeah , I agree that she is inlikely to make much of a change

there, but on the other hand, if she's elected, the War Profiteering Prevention Act (a very strong bill) is likely to pass, particularly if we increase dem majorities, and I doubt very much that she'd veto it.

[ShortnFiery]

16. I honestly think that HRC will protect Bush-Co's secrecy - yes, I think they are BOTH corrupt.

[cali]

22. Even so, that doesn't make her as bad as the repukes

I'd bet she picks good judiciary noms.

[ShortnFiery]

39. Perpetual War and Fascism are no better under a velvet glove and the cloak of "a democrat".

:(

[mitchum]

40. But it's hard to get enthusiastic about the lesser of two evils (n/t)

[glowing]

5. I would say the same thing too... Use a paid democrat...

[Botany]

7. I love HRC's Health Care idea .... you have to buy it from insurance companies

:sarcasm:

[Kolesar]

14. John Edwards liked her plan--he insinuated that she copied it from her

This thread is getting sidetracked. Focus on fascism, please!

[Orsino]

6. They won't have to.

A right-wing Dem in office is no great loss to them.

[Kolesar]

8. In Ohio, the 'puke legislators are stalling legislation requested by the Sec'y of State

...Jennifer Brunner (a highly regarded Democrat who got most of the newspaper endorsements in last year's election).

edit: Hey, you're from Ohio. Do you remember that headline? I had a pound-fist-on-the-dashboard-when-I-was-listening-to-Ohio-Public-Radio-moment a few weeks ago. Forgot to start a thread. Must have been insane with anger

[Botany]

11. They are trying to stop her from looking @ the voting machines

And the Columbus Dispatch says that is a good idea.

[Kolesar]

13. Yeah, that's it!

Was that reported in the Elections / DU forum. I did not look yet. Could start an Ohio thread too for that matter.

[MannyGoldstein]

12. They Have A Secret Weapon...

[patrioticintellect]

Damn that's scary

The picture not the fact that she allows Rupert Murdoch to stick a vibrator in her vagina while she misleads the American people. I knew that was happening.

[Totally Committed]

29. E X A C T A M U N D O ! ! !

That says it all!

TC

[Red Zelda]

17. They won't even have to steal it

Even with weak GOP candidates, the Dems are doomed.
The media, combined with the never-ending U.S. military fetish and the Calif. electoral votes initiative, will crush the Dems. I hate to say it, but it's inevitable.

[cali]

19. Bull.

I'll bet the dems with the WH, pick up 4-7 Senate seats and 12-15 House seats, and that the California ev initiative doesn't make it.

[Red Zelda]

23. I hope you're right

...but I just don't see it. Dumbfuckistan is heading for a Guiliani or Thompson presidency, a presence in Iraq for decades, financial ruin that benefits the richest and ... oh, fuck, I need booze.

[patricia92243]

18. Quite easily. They control the media. Starting about a month before the elections they will start

24/7 coverage of some mishap our candidate makes (a la Howard Dean.)

The voters will then do the rest - on the "information" they have.

[patrioticintellect]

20. By shifting corporate power (money) to the other side.

If we really want to win, if Americans really want to win, I mean, if we really want to win...

We will get organizations like MoveOn speaking out NOW about the corporate interests and special interests that are funding the leading oresidential candidates in the Democratic Party. OpenSecrets.org has record of how much each area is giving to whomever. After seeing those numbers,Barack and Hillary should scare everybody who are upset with the status quo.

[Burma Jones]

25. yep.....

[Individualist]

32. It's time to end the cycle of buying the presidency

In order for the people to have a voice in government, we must end the cycle of buying the presidency. For decades, money has determined who will become the presidential nominees for each party, so we shouldn’t be surprised that, once elected, the president gives precedence to those who bought and paid for him over the people who voted for him. It’s time to put a stop to this system.

Vote in your best interest! Ignore the DLCers who tell you Kucinich is not electable. This is nothing more than an attempt to discourage people from voting for him. Better to ignore them altogether with their tactic of using condescension and insults intended to make progressives feel guilty for standing for integrity. We’ve all seen the talking points: “if you vote for (blank), you’re voting for a republican”, “circular firing squad”, “eating our own”, "lesser of two evils", etc.

Election 2008 is the time for us to take back our country. Take it away from the corporatists and warmongers who have perpetuated the current system of buying the presidency.

[patrioticintellect]

36. My ECHO

"Election 2008 is the time for us to take back our country. Take it away from the corporatists and warmongers who have perpetuated the current system of buying the presidency."

I'll copy and paste it again to reiterate this point.

"Election 2008 is the time for us to take back our country. Take it away from the corporatists and warmongers who have perpetuated the current system of buying the presidency."

Got it everyone?

[Kip Humphrey]

21. LAST CHANCE: precinct-level, citizen-run, H-A-N-D C-O-U-N-T-E-D P-A-P-E-R B-A-L-L-O-T-S

LIVE FREE or DIE-BOLD!

[CJCRANE]

24. The Dems

need non-stop coverage of Republican sex scandals in the two months before the election (a la Foley in '06). That's the best way to neutralize RW talking points.

[Totally Committed]

26. I think all that needs to happen is a Clinton nomination and presidency....

Truly... the fun continues! --

BUSH

CLINTON

CLINTON

BUSH

BUSH

CLINTON

CLINTON

looks like a real plan to me. And the DLC will see it happens.


TC

[Totally Committed]

33. See this thread - "Bush Bets on Clinton Presidency"

Of course he does... all the Neo-Cons do.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1876008


TC

[patrioticintellect]

37. It was rapper Mos Def ...

...who accurately likened the exchange of power between Bush and Clinton to that of a joint being passed around. He said this on Real Time w/ Bill Maher.

[Echo In Light]

27. Beginning to doubt another false flag

And instead, the Establishment, representing what the world banks/shadow govt's wants, will do what they did via Clinton: put a friendlier face on our "kinder, gentler, machine-gun hand."

Hard to say, cause the totalitarian infrastructure hasn't been established without specific aims and goals. Either way, people, sooner or later, will literally have to fight for freedom.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. Why should they bother? They aren't under threat.

They'll still be getting all they want from the politicians who are determined to "Keep America Safe".

[dogman]

30. It is likely they have already.

We were told before the last elections where the battleground states were. It seems to me that we are playing with marked cards.

[screembloodymurder]

31. I suspect there is at least one Democratic candidate

who will do their bidding.

[Totally Committed]

34. You bet there is.

And we know who that is. I actually think any of those inthe DLC would do the bidding.

TC

[mitchum]

35. A win by Hillary Clinton (n/t)

[pampango]

38. Same way they stole the 2006 election, perhaps. n/t