Update on Merck's lobbying for mandatory HPV vaccine. Well the vacine kills people

[Robbien]

TORONTO, September 20, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - As Canada, in large part due to aggressive behind the scenes lobbying, rolls out the not-comprehensively-tested Merck HPV vaccine for girls as young as nine, a look at developments on the vaccine south of the border should cause Canadians serious concern. In the United States a similar lobby campaign by the same company launched the mass HPV vaccination of girls beginning in June last year.

In just little over a year, the HPV vaccine have been associated with at least five deaths, not to mention thousands of reports of adverse effects, hundreds deemed serious, and many that required hospitalization.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07092004.html

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. No, the vaccine saves lives.

Blood clots can and do kill people. I don't think anybody's arguing they don't.

[Avalux]

3. Blood clots don't just happen in children.

This vaccine was released for mass inoculation way too early. We will see more of this.

[Avalux]

5. deleted

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Well no, not hemophiliac children.

[WinkyDink]

30. Try to find a female hemophiliac.

"Hemophilia occurs almost exclusively in males because males have only a single X chromosome, and therefore only a single copy of the clotting factor gene."

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:OndjqI7RHBwJ:medicalcentereast.client.web-health.com/web-health/topics/GeneralHealth/generalhealthsub/generalhealth/cardiovascular/blood/hemophilia.html+hemophilia+male+only&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

[rinsd]

9. See this, the anti-vaccine woo woo website leaves it out

The FDA and also the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) add that the three deaths were unlikely to have been caused by Gardasil. The CDC said that two of the women were taking birth-control pills and died from blood clots, a known risk of contraceptive medication. The third, a 12-year-old girl, suffered from heart disease and died from a heart inflammation brought on by the flu.

[Pithlet]

17. I knew there had to be more to it.

How convenient they left those details out.

[rinsd]

2. Scare tactics vs science. .

[ShaneGR]

4. Out of curiosity, are there any statistics available?

The article mentions three deaths related to the use of the vaccine, two heart related and one from a blood clot? How many vaccines have been administered in the US? I'm not saying the deaths aren't a problem, they are, but if you look at the longterm affects of HPV and Uteran cancer among women how many lives does this vaccine end up saving?

[Avalux]

7. Let's try this again - my post from February on this topic.

It's inevitable we will see side effects that didn't show up in clinical trials.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x130276

[ShaneGR]

10. Not answering my question...

Reposting a warning from February doesn't really show me anything. How many women/girls have received the vaccine since its introduction? Keep in mind HPV is considered a rampant STD by the CDC and vaccinating against it can prevent cervical cancer.

[Avalux]

11. There won't be anything yet but surveillance data reported by physicians.

I know the data on the clinical trials for this vaccine well and in my opinion, the UNKNOWN risks outweight the benefits. it will be years and a lot of reported incidents before a determination can be made if the vaccine is safe.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. How many years?

[Avalux]

14. For my own comfort, 5 years before I will allow my daughter to get it.

I have worked in Infectious Diseases research for years and I have scientific reasons for my concerns; they're not unfounded.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Five more years, eh?

How many has it already been?

[rinsd]

8. See this is why anti-vaccine people cannot be trusted

"The FDA and also the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) add that the three deaths were unlikely to have been caused by Gardasil. The CDC said that two of the women were taking birth-control pills and died from blood clots, a known risk of contraceptive medication. The third, a 12-year-old girl, suffered from heart disease and died from a heart inflammation brought on by the flu."

Bullshit scare tactics funded by rw lunatics who think a vaccine will cause girls to be more sexually active sadly bought into by far too many on the left.

[Robbien]

12. This is why people who support the government ordering people to pay Merck

to have their children injected with drugs are so blind.

If you choose to have your child injected, fine go do it. But why are you supporting the government making it a law that I have to allow the same done to mine?

We should all have a choice. But you want only you and others like you to have the choice. You like it, so for you it is okay that congresscritters gets lots of money by Merck lobbyists to support a law requiring it for everyone.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Why lie about the dangers?

Why insult the memories of these dead kids by exploiting their deaths?

Why misrepresent these bills as forced vaccination?

[Robbien]

20. There are people who died and thousands of adverse symptoms

and hundreds with serious symptoms.

But people such as you want me to be required by the feds to inject my children just because people such as you think it may be somewhat beneficial even though there is no clinical proof of such benefits and many reports of adverse reactions.

I should be allowed to read everything and think for myself and make my own decision. But there is a lot of money being spread around specifically to prevent me from taking such a reasonable course of action.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. No, there aren't.

You're just making shit up.

How do you look at yourself in the mirror?

[Robbien]

23. How do you?

I am fine. I am fighting for my rights and everyone's rights. You are fighting to make federal laws to control me and others such as me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. No, you're not.

"I am fighting for my rights and everyone's rights."

You can't just make shit up, trying to stop a vaccine that could save the lives of thousands, and then claiming your fighting for everyone's rights.

[Robbien]

29. I do not want to stop the vaccine. Have at it. Just stop trying to make it mandatory

for those of us who feel we want to wait and see. You inject your kids all you want. We will never try and make a federal law to stop you unlike how you are trying to make a federal law to make it mandatory for us.

The rest of us want to wait and watch what happens. But no, you want us to be ordered to do it because Merck is buying off congresscritters left and right. You want us to be ordered by bought off congress critters to inject our kids against our will.

You want an under-tested drug. Fine. Go get it.

Sane people want to wait. We will sit and wait and watch the test trials on YOUR kid.

Stop trying to push through a mandatory push to inject it into OUR kids.

[mduffy31]

19. I know because HPV was the only thing keeping these kids from fucking

Because AIDS, Syphilis, and Chlamydia have all been taken care of.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. Uh, what?

First off, chlamydia and cyphilis have been taken care of. Unlike cervical cancer there are cures for both. It's a new drug called "penicillin" (although you got to be careful, it hasn't been adequately tested, never trust the Big Pharma)

Secondly, the fact that there's no cure for AIDS is hardly a reason not to vaccinate against HPV.

[TrogL]

24. WHAT cure for AIDS?

HIV is still incurable. The drugs just slow it down - a bit.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. typo

[mduffy31]

38. That was my point

Now I am a nurse, I advocate vaccination. I was was making fun of the people who think that HPV is what is keeping the kids from having sex. Should have added the :sarcasm:

[Katherine Brengle]

28. Good job.

[SidDithers]

18. Does lifesite.net have an agenda?....

Hmmm, lemme guess.

Sid

[Katherine Brengle]

27. 5 out of how many administrations though?

There are always people who have a bad reaction to ANY medication. It's heartbreaking that people lost their children, it always is, but it doesn't mean the vaccine is an evil killing machine.

[Robbien]

31. I am not saying it is an evil killing machine. Just saying it shouldn't be mandatory

Everyone should be allowed to weigh their options and come to their own decisions. It should not be government regulated to be mandatory. The vaccine should be available to anyone who wants it.

Bought off congresscritters are pushing to make it mandatory.

Available, Yes. Mandatory, No.

[arikara]

32. Have you heard...

...that they are now planning to inject little boys with it?

http://www.newstarget.com/021999.html

[Robbien]

33. You and I know that is idiotic but at least it is not suggested as mandatory. Control freak DUers

perhaps will be calm on this aspect. Control freak DUers keep ignoring the fact we don't give a care if they push the stuff into their kids, they just want the control over everyone else forcing everyone to their will.

and I'm not kidding -- that young boys should be vaccinated with Gardasil (the drug now being pushed onto teenage girls to supposedly prevent cervical cancer) based on the idea that if they have oral sex with girls who carry HPV, they might get throat cancer!

It wouldn't surprise me if those same Garasil lobbyists paid for congresscritters and those DUer control freak posters who are trying to force the drug down the needle into the arms of all American girls may now hop on board and try to drive the same needle in all American boys.

Greed is good, so says some. To hell with any consequences.

[arikara]

37. Not mandatory yet that is...

Merck has just begun the campaign. As near as I can tell, it started in May with a blurb about throat cancer being caused by sex.

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20070512/fob1.asp

Then it was escalated at the end of August to "researchers" suggesting that boys "need" the vaccine.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aIcMpI2YcQV8&refer=us

You can bet Merck is already lobbying the governments hard to push the crap into boys too. Just watch, next will come the slick ads created to instill the fear and the "do something" attitude with the public.

Of course we know they have disrupters on message boards, they can't have people finding out the truth or they'll lose money.

[KoKo]

34. Many here tried to expose this....I'm glad it's finally getting coverage

about what can happen when everyone rushes out to get the latest Vaccine and forgetting that it's Busco's FDA that's approving their cronies drugs based on faulty research pumped by the Drug Companies
"Get Rich Quick" schemers.

[blondeatlast]

35. Two children died from front-seat airbags in 2005 (the last year for which stats are available).

By damn, our nanny government has got to stop insisting on airbags...

:eyes:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060211/news_lz1dd11air.html

[varkam]

36. Aw Geez, Not This Shit Again.

:eyes: