ANGER, PUKE AND CUSSING ALERT ON THIS ONE! (US Atty pedophile case)

[Hepburn]

Alleged pedophile prosecutor sought 'young girls,' online profiles reveal



In his day-to-day life John David Roy Atchison appeared to be your typical family man: a successful federal prosecutor and girls basketball coach who accompanied his wife and three children to youth sporting events on weekends.

Online, though, Atchison, 53, was living a secret life as "daddy" who wanted to fulfill fantasies of changing diapers and taking care of little girls.

The two worlds collided this week when Atchison was arrested at an airport in Detroit, where prosecutors say he traveled from his home in Pensacola, Fla., intending on having sex with a 5-year-old girl.

His profile on hi5, the site where he first contacted the undercover officer in Michigan, displays 189 "friends" nearly all of whom appear to be underage girls, some purporting to be as young as 4.

http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Alleged_pedophile_prosecutors_sought_young_girls_0920.html

Mother-fucking, sick fuck! :grr: :puke:

This son of a bitch is after FOUR-YEAR OLDS!?!?!?!?!?!? IMO, castrate the bastard.

[Hepburn]

1. More...

Prosecutor Tries to Kill Himself After Arrest in Pedophile Case

DETROIT, Sept. 20 — A federal prosecutor from Florida who is accused of traveling to Michigan with the intention of having sex with a 5-year-old girl tried to hang himself on Thursday in his jail cell, the police here said.

The prosecutor, John David Roy Atchison, 53, had been removed from a suicide watch the previous day after assuring his lawyer and a judge that he would not harm himself. He was not injured in the suicide attempt, which another inmate reported about 4 a.m.

Mr. Atchison was arrested Sunday at Detroit Metropolitan Airport as part of an Internet investigation operated by the sheriff’s department in Macomb County, Mich. He was carrying a Dora the Explorer doll and a pair of earrings at the time of his arrest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/us/21girl.html

The article says that he could get up to 30 years for attempting to have sex with a child under the age of 12 years. I hope to hell they keep the bastard off the streets.

This case is UNBELIEVABLE!

[Waya]

19. Eh, I say he oughta try again.................

[Hepburn]

22. .....

...that suggestion works for me!

:applause:

[redqueen]

2. Prison for LIFE, FIRST offense.

We have to start treating this problem seriously.

[Hepburn]

3. Well, a 30 years sentence would basically put him away for life.

With his age...he would be in his 80s if he served the full term.

Sick SOB....after 4-year old kids! :grr:

[riqster]

9. He won't live out his term

The other inmates will administer their own brand of justice while the guards look the other way. And I gotta say it, in this case I'd be OK with that.

[Hepburn]

17. Yeah....

...ya know, I am usually totally offended by prision violence ~~ especially rape ~~ but in this case, I could also look the other way and not be the least bit offended if this piece of shit got jumped. No wonder he tried to hang himself. That has to be a much better alternative than what he knows goes on with child rapists in prison. This guy is an AUSA...and he sure as hell knows what will be done to him.

See a tear in my eye.....NOT!

This son of a bitch literally bragged about having sex with pre-elementary school age girls.

FUCK HIM! :grr:

[redqueen]

10. No, it has to be a mandatory life sentence.

These are sick, sick people... only the strongest deterrents will stop them from ruining people's lives.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. uh...

I really don't think life in prison is going to be an effective deterrent in stoping pedophiles.

[redqueen]

13. What do you think would be an effective deterrent? n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. I don't think there is such a thing.

I don't think there are pedophiles running around out there who decide they shouldn't do it because they're worried about life in prison versus a really long time in prison.

[redqueen]

18. Well the thing is, they often get hardly any time at all.

If you check the sex offender listings in your area, you might find, like I did, that whatever the sentences are... often times these perps serve only a handful of years (2-5) in jail for their crimes.

I agree that they're not weighing the matter when they're considering whether or not to ruin some child's life... but having them off the streets will at least protect other possible victims.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. I find that hard to believe.

Looked this up during a discussion a couple of weeks ago. The average sentence for rape and other sex crimes is only slightly behind homicide, and well ahead of other violent felonies.

There's a lot of myths and fearmongering and anecdotal evidence out there about crime. All crimes. High profile news stories, like this one, that don't really affect society as a whole. Just checking local sex offender listings is more of the same.

[redqueen]

26. I just told you, I looked up the information myself.

https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/Sor/index.aspx?PageIndex=Display&SID=06207028

This guy is only the second perp I checked out from where I used to live when I did the search and found out for myself how disgustingly short their sentences are.

General Offense Counts Victim Sex Victim Age Disposition Time Status
1 Female 4 07/28/1999 2Y DISCHARGED

Offense: 11990004 Aggravated Sexual Assault ChildGeneral Offense Counts Victim Sex Victim Age Disposition Time Status
1 Female 5 08/27/1999 10Y DISCHARGED


10 years the second time... but he's already out, 8 years later. For his second offense. With a 4 year old.

Yeah, not a myth. I don't see why you think actual evidence of light sentences is 'more of the same'... why do you say that?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. Because it's anecdotal.

[redqueen]

32. Well unless and until there's some kind of proof showing otherwise.

I'll go ahead and believe the ubiquitous pattern of anecdotal evidence I've found.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. Fair enough.

Me, I'll believe there's an epidemic of upper class white girls being kidnapped, rampant OJ crime waves, and that Paris Hilton is incredibly important.

I've found some very ubiquitous anecdotal evidence to support this.

[redqueen]

37. Hahaha... yeah, 'cept that was spoonfed from the whore media.

Where are all the front-page stories about how sex criminals get / serve hardly any time at all?

You seem pretty confident of that being a myth... got anything at all to back it up? Just a hunch?

:shrug:

[tom_paine]

43. Check and mate, Redqueen.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Nicely said.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

47. Yeah, and so is this.

Every day there's some guy getting arrested for being a sex offender. Today it's a U.S. attorney, yesterday it was a congressman, tomorrow who knows, but there will be a big news story about it, and a thread on DU with the usual responses "I'm always against the death penalty but not this time fry the bastard this time I mean it! ZOMG!"

It's a real cliche.

"You seem pretty confident of that being a myth... got anything at all to back it up? Just a hunch?"

DoJ statistics, average criminal sentences for rape and other sex crimes.

[redqueen]

53. Sentences or time served?

Where'd you find the information?

In the tables I found, they don't give numbers for pederasts. They just get lumped in with other criminal pervs. :shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. Both.

I didn't save the link. It was on one of the DoJs crime statistics sites.

"In the tables I found, they don't give numbers for pederasts. They just get lumped in with other criminal pervs."

So you're suggesting that the courts give preference to pederasts over other sorts of criminal pervs?

[redqueen]

57. AHAAHAHAHAAH!

No, I'm saying the statistics are not broken down that finely. Without those details, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions, no matter how comforting or reasonable you may think those jumped-to-conclusions are.

hahaahah... that was funny.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. LOL

"I'm not going to jump to any conclusions"

Hey, I'm not the one going off of anecdotal evidence.

[redqueen]

59. Nope... you're making assumptions based on a hunch.

That's WAY more reasonable.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

60. Yeah.

I am assuming that the courts are not being more lenient on sex offenders who victimize children then sex offenders who victimize adults.

That strikes me as a very valid assumption. In fact, I'll bet it's the other way around. But I haven't got evidence for that.

[redqueen]

62. Well I at least was able to find some anecdotal evidence

to back up my theory.

Perhaps you could spend a few seconds, and prove me wrong with some anecdotal evidence showing the opposite?

Only took me a few seconds to find an egregious example of what I'm on about... I'm sure I could find LOTS more, with very little effort.

If you're right, and these are aberrant cases... then it should be child's play to do the reverse, no?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. Why would I want to provide anecdotal evidence?

There's the DoJ evidence. That's actual stats.

[redqueen]

64. Not useful stats, no.

Without a separate account of sentences for pederasts... it's useless for anything but assuming. However reasonable you may think it is to assume in favor of the courts not being more lenient on pederasts, I can't do that.

I'm glad it comforts you, at least. :hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

67. LOL.

OK. You want anecdotal evidence.

I knows a guy what works at a place with this other guy's whose cousin says that childs molesters don'ts gets off easy.

[redqueen]

68. No, I'd love it if you had actual evidence.

Unfortunately, you don't.

Oh well.

Feel free to go right on ahead and make some more funnies at my expense though. :)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

69. Oh, the DoJ stats are actual evidence.

You just don't like it because you don't find it "useful," i.e. it doesn't back up the anecdotal media-fed fearmongering.

[redqueen]

70. What media-fed fear mongering?

Where are those widely reported stories of light sentencing or short time served?

:shrug:

It's NOT useful because it doesn't say anything at all about sentences for pederasts. This really isn't so complicated. Like I said... you find it reasonable to assume things... so be it. That doesn't magically make the numbers back up your assertion, though.

[flyarm]

24. dick on platter!...think bobbit.. eom

[redqueen]

28. Disagree.

Perps can violate victims in other ways than with that organ.

[flyarm]

46. and you think he won't get that or worse in prison???????? by other inmates? eom

[redqueen]

48. Huh?

Whatever happens with other inmates, he won't be able to victimize other children. That's why I'm for life in prison.

[Hepburn]

50. Ditto. n/t

[BadgerLaw2010]

38. It's not a deterrant, but it is incapacitation. Different theory of corrections.

Deterrance: Punish someone severely, other people see it and don't want to be punished like that. Does not tend to work.

Incapacitation: Person is in prison, therefore person is not committing crimes outside prison. Very much tends to work.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

52. Yes, I'm aware of the difference between deterrance, incapacitation.

The person I was responding to was talking about deterrence. Then switched to incapacitation.

[redqueen]

54. I misspoke.

Mea culpa. :hi:

[Hepburn]

14. Yeah...that would work.

It is not like he is going for teen girls ~~ which is totally wrong ~~ this SOB is literally going for kids not even of kindergarten age! How the hell could ANYONE find a child of this age to be a sexually stimulating object???

:puke:

[redqueen]

15. It's a very very very disturbing sickness.

I feel sorry for the ones who DON'T victimize children... but the ones who do I have no pity for... none at all. Life in prison, no parole.

[yellowcanine]

7. Likely not his first offense - need to find out about the others - THEN try him on all of them.

[Hepburn]

21. Seems in his emails....

...unless he was lying...that to the person posing as the parent of the 5-year-old he wanted to rape that he admitted that he had done this before. Like he was bragging about how gentle he was and caused no damage. One of emails he wanted to have, IIRC, with this 5-year-old girl oral, anal and vaginal sex.

OMG.....:grr:

[yellowcanine]

4. "a successful federal prosecutor and girls basketball coach" Oh my lord.

Who knows how many of his victims are out there?

[tularetom]

5. Wonder if that sack a shit ever prosecuted sex offenders

during the day while he was having sex with little girls at night.

If he goes to jail it's a death sentence - he won't last a month.

[Hepburn]

31. Yep....

...a lot of inmates literally LIVE for their kids and it is a motivating factor to get out and get straight with life.

I would agree....it is basically a death sentence if he goes to prison. No tear in my eye over this. The sick SOB bragged about doing it before. Can you imagine the life sentence he gave to a 5-year-old that he raped?

FUCK THE BASTARD!

[hedgehog]

6. Is he still serving at the pleasure of the President?

Seriously, this goes to show that criminals aren't set apart from us and marked with the sign of Cain. We're desperate to think that they are somehow different, hence the calls for execution or castration. the problem is that as Pogo says, we have met the enemy and they are us.

[BadgerLaw2010]

36. Assistant US Attorneys are career officials that are supposedly immune from political firings.

[valerief]

8. He's a Republican, too, of course. nt

[Ganja Ninja]

27. Another loyal pedophile for Bush. n/t

[enid602]

71. Is he really a Republican, or Republican-appointed judge?

I didn't think that had ever really been ascertained.

[tabasco]

82. He's a republican.

The only John D. R. Atchison registered to vote in Florida is a registered republican.

It WAS ascertained.

[Hepburn]

11. WTF????

He was arrested carrying presents for her, including a doll and earrings, and sexual materials, officials said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5154449.html

WTF are "sexual materials" for the 5-year-old he thought he was going to see?

What a scary thought!!!!! What the hell did he do? Raid the evidence locker from a federal child porn prosecution and get pictures or something?

[Warren DeMontague]

20. When I first saw the picture, I thought it was Michael Stipe.

Sorry, Michael!

[backscatter712]

25. Electric chair. Dry sponge. n/t

[redqueen]

30. I'm anti-death penalty.

Always a chance they might be innocent.

[Hepburn]

33. Frankly....

...in this case, I think the DP would be welcomed since he has tried suicide. Getting a long sentence, IMO, would be worse and like I said above, it is basically a death sentence, too. If he falls on these charges, someone will get to him when he is in prison no matter how much they try to segregate him from the general population.

I, too, am anti-DP...and in this case, like I said, frankly a prison sentence is more to be feared by the defendant in this case than a DP sentence.

JMHO

[backscatter712]

34. That's what my intellectual side says.

And that's the side that should win out - can't let emotions affect out judgment in these situations. Too many innocent people have been executed, and yes, the death penalty should be abolished.

But then I see something like this kiddie-fiddler, and my emotional side can't help but want to barbecue the bastard just like in The Green Mile. Yeah, I'm a sick fuck...

[redqueen]

39. I hear ya.

Stories like this affect me personally and very deeply... so I do truly sympathize with the vengeful response.

:pals:

[Hepburn]

40. Your thoughts and mine are basically in total sinc...

...on this issue.

This guy was employed to uphold the law and protect people and he is an absolute bastard preying on some of the most innocent memembers of our society who are least able to defend themselves. Couple this with being a FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. How many people would be willing to go to the cops and try to finger this guy? He had an arsenal of things at his disposal that he could do to someone if they tried to expose him.

The above statement, of course, is premised on the guy being guilty as charged. He could be innocent....maybe.

I still am anti-DP for a lot of reasons...but some times when I see things like this, I do think how nice it would be for a bastard like this to fry.

[riqster]

42. Agreed. Where there's life there's hope

We had a guy in Columbus, a serial rapist. Victim identified him, he was convicted, served a fair bit of time.

Later, it turned out that he was innocent. Another guy who looked a lot like him (and had the same last name!) was the perp. Thank the dog Mr. Jackson wasn't executed.

That being said, the Preeve Prosecutor will never walk free unless this is the biggest honkin' mistake in history. Computer forensics are amazing (I know a guy who busts child-molesters via such technology); he was carrying materials that strongly support the charges; he was in a certain pre-arranged place at a pre-arranged time; and he's a Reep Prosecutor. Cops are loathe to bust people on 'their team', so if the feds drop the hammer on one of their own (instead of hushing it up) the evidence has to be pretty overwhelming.

[redqueen]

45. Yup... and even if guilty... I don't want them killed.

Like has been said, this guy would rather die than face the humiliation / shame of conviction and prison time.

I'd rather not give the guy what he wants. :)

[riqster]

51. I am sure that when his cellmates get ready to rape him...

they'll say, "Don't worry, it'll be nice and gentle".

[backscatter712]

56. "Hey, I hear you like babies."

"Well, tonight, you're gonna be my baby..."

Talk about a fate worse than death.

[Hepburn]

49. IMO, an excellent analysis...

...of how this went down.

Yeah, he could be innocent...IF this were a HUGE mistake of a magnitude never made. I hear ya and I totally agree.

IMO, if the bastard is smart, he will cooperate, turn others over, and make the best deal he can. His ass is grass already...he really does not need to add Weed Kill to the mix.

JMHO

[LanternWaste]

61. I'm always heartened to see someone...

I'm always heartened to see someone with the strength of their convictions on the question of the DP-- even... no-- especially in these cases which are heart-wrenching even in the "best" scenarios. I'm the first to admit that my knee-jerk reactionism to these guys would prevent me from sitting on the jury as my emotions would outweigh any thought of the rule of law. My mind holds that I am an ardent opponent of the DP, but sometimes my heart breaks from that and wants to do its own thing... especially in these cases in which the victims are among the weakest and the least among us.

A friend of mine was over a few evenings past and we were discussing the attempt to "get inside the mind" of a serial killer to better understand their tendencies. He mentioned that there are many theories in science that these guys' minds are simply hard-wired wrong. Maybe a synapse isn't triggering when it should, or maybe it's triggering too much. That it is, in fact, a disease.

If that is indeed the case, we are (to find an allegory), burning witches at the stake. If that is indeed the case, in x number of years after the 'magic pill' is found to restore mental/psychological balance of these guys, will future generations hold us in derision the way we hold Court of Oyer the same? Will Ted Bundy be seen as Giles Corey is seen now-- a victim?

I'm certainly not saying this *is* the case, but I realize that as we have progressed in the past, we will continue to do so (all other things being equal), and that a definitive answer may be in the cards one day. I'm not in a position to say his theory is valid or not, my best surmises would probably be laughed out of a college freshman course on Psych 1301-- I'm into history and lit, not science. But it's intriguing to think about...

[riqster]

66. It comes down to this, IMHO:

Humans are prone to error. Until and unless that factor is removed, the DP is simply wrong.

How are the pro-DP types who brush off the occasional innocent executee any different than those who brush aside dead civilians as 'collateral damage' or 'cost of doing business'?

I once served on a jury (they accepted me because the DP was not an option). It was an enlightening experience. A dozen humans, all as fallible and fucked up in their own ways as myself, deciding who was at fault when one drug dealer knifed another. For some reason, the prosecution did not call the only eyewitness, leaving us to try to sort out the truth from the bullshit stories of two violent criminals. Hung jury, of course, but most of the jurors were willing to convict just be done with it. Not because they were convinced of the accused's guilt, but because it would stop the farce, and put a dealer behind bars.

That experience, and Mr. Jackson's ordeal, taught me a lot about the 'justice' system in this country. Had the DP been involved, a man could have been killed just so the foreman could be done with her term of service and go home.

Again, I cannot believe that the Preeve in this case is innocent. But even such scum as this cannot convince me that we flawed hunks of protoplasm are capable of meting out death as fair punishment for a crime, no matter the offense.

[tom_paine]

41. What is it with the monsters in the Bushie Upper Tier and Pedophilia

there is absolutely no Democratic analogue to the plague of pedophilia that shoots through Republic Party upper ranks in relatively huge numbers.

Yeh. "Girls basketball coach."

:puke:

I wonder if this Loyal Bushie will get covered up and set free by his pals. Probably not. For the moment, and I stress that aspect, there are some few crimes which are either too pulicized or too heinous or both for the Royal Bushies to dare cover it up and bury the evidence a la the Anrthax Killer who was almost certainly a Bushie based on his choice of targets.

Although, I also suspect, if the Bushies can keep this under the radar long enough, that he'll be cut free for one bullshit reason or another and allowed to resign, or maybe just probation.

Monsters. The Bushie Upper Tier, almost to a person, are some form of mostrous human being. Lacking conscienece, serial liars, pedophiles, frauds and God knows what else.

A list of Bushies suspected of being even remotely honest would be damned small.

[Hepburn]

44. .....

"A list of Bushies suspected of being even remotely honest would be damned small."

Yeah....like NON-EXISTENT!

[varkam]

65. I'm against the death penality....even for this guy.

I don't know the specifics of his case, but a couple of things seem clear. First, he should obviously be punished for what he has done and to prevent him from doing things like this again. That probably means a fairly lengthy prison sentence with access to sex offender treatment.

Second, maybe it's just me but I'm kind of disheartened that so many here would bend their own principles on occasion. What this individual did was wrong and sick, but I'm sorry I just can't bring myself to wish death/rape/bodily mutilation on anyone, regardless of what they have done.

[riqster]

72. I'm with you on death

...the rest, I disagree.

I will confess up front, I am not completely objective on this crime, but so far as I am concerned, if he gets raped and injured in prison, that is a perfect example of 'punishment fitting the crime'.

A child who is raped does not just suffer psychological trauma-there can be life-long physical damage to her (or his) digestive, reproductive and eliminative organs. Say he molested a 4-year-old girl: that's 70-80 YEARS of trouble with eating and excreting, to say nothing of sex or having babies. I find a grim sort of justice in this bastard becoming incontinent or impotent as result of extra-judicial punishment; remembering that it is nothing compared to what even ONE of his victims is enduring today and will for decades more.

We take money from cheats and swindlers as part of their punishment, after all. This may seem extreme, but on principle it is the same.

[varkam]

73. Notice, however, that he did not actually rape anyone.

It was a part of a sting. Now, would he of done so given the chance? Probably so. I struggle to maintain my own objectivity with these sorts of crimes, as I was abused as a child. Even so, there is a prohibition in the United States Consitution against cruel and unusual punishment. Raping the raper, to me, seems to fit that bill.

Moreover, I fail to see the logic behind the argument that we should rape people to show that raping people is wrong. At that point, we're just perpetuating the same thing that we aim to stop. Also, piling on the psychological damage to someone who is already obviously psychologically damaged seems to run counter to the objectives of our criminal justice system - namely, rehabilitation.

[redqueen]

76. He frickin said he did.

Oh wait, he was lying, and this was really his first time.

C'mon.

[varkam]

78. Irrelevant.

I'm not saying that this is obviously his first crime or anything of the sort. He may of done this sort of thing before, but nevertheless this is the crime for which there is evidence. While it may be intuitively appealing to assume that he has done this before, such intuition will not satisfy a burden of proof that is set before the state in prosecuting him.

[redqueen]

79. Assume? Intuition? It's his own statements.

You're saying his having SAID he'd done it before wouldn't satisfy the burden of proof?

[varkam]

80. Not for a criminal prosection, no.

There need to be victims and evidence, of which a confession is a big part. If, during the course of the investigation, additional crimes and victims are uncovered then he should be prosecuted and sentenced for those crimes as well. Until that point, this is speculation as far as the criminal justice system is concerned.

Remember that everyone is entitled to a fair trial.

[redqueen]

81. Gotcha.

Thanks!

[Nutmegger]

74. No death penalty for him, and I hope he is treated humanely in prison if convicted.

I'm against all forms of violence, not limited to prison rape / violence and the death penalty.

So many here are comfortable with our prison systems being used as a breeding ground for revenge.

Any guard, murderer, thief or thug who perpetuates violence against individuals should be punished themselves. I will not give pity to a murderer for roughing up a sex offender.

[varkam]

75. Indeed. eom

[malaise]

77. He attempted suicide yesterday

Remember this Rethug fucker is a Federal prosecutor