Denver Hwy Police checkpoints asks drivers for blood, saliva

[ElsewheresDaughter]

yeah, i know, i hate the source too, but, it is interesting story

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp? ARTICLE_ID=57733

WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH PEOPLE'S BLOOD AND SALIVA IN THIS AGE OF CLONE MANUFACTURING, DNA MANIPULATION AND RAMPANT CORRUPTION AND FRAUD? WHAT'S NEXT? SPERM AND EGG SAMPLES?

Motorists in Colorado are expressing outrage over a weekend stunt in Gilpin County, about an hour's drive west of Denver, where highway checkpoints were set up so a private organization could ask for samples of blood and saliva.

"I don't think they're authorized to do what they're doing, and I view it as a gross violation of law-enforcement protocol," Roberto Sequeira, 51, told reporters for the Denver Post.

He said he and his wife were "detained" for about 15 minutes even after they protested they wanted to get home because of a sleepy child in their car.

Sheriff's officials were apologizing after they helped set up and run five separate checkpoints over the weekend.

They said workers for the Institute for Research and Evaluation were overly persistent in their demands of innocent travelers.

"It was like a telemarketer that you couldn't hang up on," Undersheriff John Bayne told the newspaper.

Sgt. Bob Enney said the deputies' assistance to the organization involved stopping motorists at the sites along Colorado Highway 119 for "surveys" on any drug or alcohol use. Surveyors also requested that motorists submit to breath, blood and saliva tests.

Enney said several hundred motorists were tested, and some later complained.
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[truebrit71]

1. I smell a nice lawsuit and someone getting their ass fired over this...

If the checkpoints were set-up simply for the blood/saliva samples I would think that the local chief of law-enforcement will soon be an EX-chief....


What a MASSIVE waste of taxpayers money...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. The very act of pulling a motorist over subjects him/her and their vehicle ...

...(at very least) to a visual search. This means if the motorist was pulled over without suspicion of violating a law, than (sic) they have been subjected to an unlawful search.

For the record the proper response to ANY such incursion into privacy is to ask the question, Am I under Arrest? If the answer is no ask if you are free to go. If you are told no, demand to be arrested or you will leave and then leave.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

10. Nope...

SCOTUS, in all its wisdom, has declared that "random" checkpoints are OK..

I had one about two hundred yards from my house a few years ago.

[donheld]

52. This was the Gilpin County Sheriff NOT the Denver police n/t

[NashVegas]

33. I'd Sue to Get the Company's License Revoked - And Everyone On Their Board

Lose any opportunity to do business in the state for at least a 5-year period.

[rodeodance]

2. and the police allowed this. my gawd!!

[The Vinyl Ripper]

3. Cooperating is not the same as allowing..

Allow implies a passive role.

That is not what happened..

[EVDebs]

62. Unlawful acts "under color of authority"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_color_of_authority

[kenny blankenship]

75. Fascism is always a public-private partnership

[BlooInBloo]

5. Fucking cops.

[Ghost in the Machine]

6. What. The. FUCK!

Totally freakin' OUTRAGEOUS! Let someone demand MY blood and saliva at a checkpoint and I'll give 'em some blood off my knuckles and then spit in their face!

How the HELL could the sheriff's department go along with this??

"Sheriff's officials were apologizing after they helped set up and run five separate checkpoints over the weekend.

They said workers for the Institute for Research and Evaluation were overly persistent in their demands of innocent travelers.

"It was like a telemarketer that you couldn't hang up on," Undersheriff John Bayne told the newspaper."

Ummmm.. Undersheriff Bayne?? YOU'RE A FUCKING COP! FOR CHRISTS SAKE! You could have stopped it, idiot!

It's getting a little closer every day, folks....

[budibudinski]

11. Who is the Institute for Research and Evaluation ????

What is their purpose.

I'd have been demanding lots of answers, then decline to submit, and call an attorney .

This is beyond weird.

[OzarkDem]

26. A right wing "values" group?

edit: the Pacific Institute for Research & Evaluation

studying the effects of alcohol related crime on America? Why do they need your DNA?

http://www.pire.org/

[cyberpj]

59. Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation (PIRE) site here:

http://www.pire.org/

Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation (PIRE) is one of the nation's preeminent independent, nonprofit organizations focusing on individual and social problems associated with the use of alcohol and other drugs. PIRE is dedicated to merging scientific knowledge and proven practice to create solutions that improve the health, safety, and well-being of individuals, communities, nations and the world. The Institute has a significant national presence in the area of prevention, with funded research projects at its ten research centers located around the country.

Focus


PIRE scientists and practitioners continually focus on the design and implementation of complex program evaluation strategies and the conduct of research related to health and social issues, including criminal justice. PIRE provides training and technical assistance in many health-related areas to states and communities that are attempting to mitigate the effects of alcohol and other drug abuse.


In all its work, PIRE maintains a commitment to the application of research findings in solution of real-world problems, achieved, in part, by translating scientific knowledge into practical guidance for policymakers and practitioners.

History

PIRE was founded in the early 1970s when a group of allied scientists were among the first to recognize the dangers inherent in the emergence of widespread drug use. The Institute developed and disseminated some of the earliest prevention strategies. Since then, PIRE has broadened its scope to encompass many of the most serious threats to human health and safety.

Nonprofit Status

PIRE is a California-chartered, not-for-profit corporation, that qualifies for tax-exempt status under section 501(c)3 of the IRS code. Annual form 990s are available on this website.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. This has got to be a joke

[liberalla]

66. you should read the Denver post article on this

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6922089

Bizarro

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. Yes I saw that after I posted

Creepy doesn't begin to describe this.

[hobbit709]

7. I'd refuse, and say I'm calling my attorney.

[file83]

58. I'd say "Sure, I'll give you a sample of my DNA..."

"...as soon as you drop your trousers and bend over so I'll have a place to deposit it!"

[nashville_brook]

8. here's a Denver Post link --- and since when are state troopers in the business of

enabling "roadside research." this is creepy as hell. someone is going to stick a NEEDLE in you on the roadside in the middle of the night? how the hell can they be practicing universal precautions? how can this be clean?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6922089

[aquart]

9. Tell me at least one person they pulled over was a lawyer.

[Lance_Boyle]

12. Is this the PACIFIC Institute for Research and Evaluation?

I find nothing under "Institute for Research and Evaluation" by googling. But LOTS about PACIFIC Institute for Research and Evaluation. From their website, it appears this stunt is right up their alley.

The sheriff's dept. and the "research" group should both be in a world of hurt for this. Coercive tactics are a gross violation of research subjects' rights. PIRE should be barred from any further human subjects research - I wonder if they are OHRP-regulated?

[Gormy Cuss]

27. Yes it is, and I agree that PIRE should be removed from the list of eligible government contractors

if this is their normal mode of doing business.

Denver Post story link
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6922089?source=bb

By dressing their data collection team in blue jumpsuits and caps and having sheriff's deputies at the stop points they were setting up the appearance of an official LE stop, which is unethical. At least one of the team declined to answer a direct question about it, also unethical.

It's also sad that so few people questioned them about it.

[OzarkDem]

29. Should lose their grant funding, too

Quite an extensive list, this money could be spent on much better programs

http://www.pire.org/sponsors.asp?cms=96&id=136#bot

[Lance_Boyle]

71. Contact OHRP, tell them PIRE should be sanctioned.

[email protected]

toll free phone: [phone]

Office for Human Research Protections: http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/

[Lance_Boyle]

74. Replying to my own self, but with new information.

OHRP has responded to my complaint filed on Thursday, and suggests that issues of research misconduct (which this SURELY is!) should be directed to the Office of Research Integrity (ORI) at: [email protected]

ORI website is here: http://ori.hhs.gov/

I hope some of my fellow DUers will join me in contacting ORI to let them know that PIRE's research practices are unethical and should be condemned publicly, as well as prohibited from recurring via federal sanctions.

[tuckessee]

13. Gleaning info for the Police State.

It's all going to wind up in a DNA database the State will use to identify or frame people.

Does anyone remember, after the fall of Berlin Wall, how shocked East Germans found storerooms in the Stasi HQ containing tens of thousands of jars with scent swabs of individual citizens?

The technology has changed but the mind & methods of the police & security elements remain constant.

[NaturalHigh]

14. Now this is fascist.

I get a little tired of people using the new "F word" at every opportunity, but this is a corrupt, fascist ploy enabled by law enforcement officers. They should be ashamed of themselves, but since they're probably incapable of shame, a serious lawsuit is in order.

[PA Democrat]

15. Supreme Court has ruled that DUI checkpoints are legal.

Of course they ruled on Breathalyzer tests and the old walk the line, touch your finger to your nose tests. I would guess that today's far right wing Supreme Court would also allow saliva and other bodily fluids to be collected. We are well on our way down that slippery slope.

http://supreme.justia.com/us/496/444/case.html

[EVDebs]

20. They can also have Dr Thickfinger give prostate exams and have big savings on healthcare ! nt

[PA Democrat]

21. LOL! Bush and Cheney first!

[MiniMe]

42. This wasn't a breathalyzer test

And it wasn't done for safety reasons. Can they set up a roadblock for drunk driving? Yes. Whilee that roadblock is set up, can they ask if somebody wants to volunteer to have their saliva and blood taken? Yes. Can they require it? No.

[PA Democrat]

55. Yes. I realize that. Just pointing out that

the Supreme Court has ruled on DUI checkpoints that don't require submission of body fluids. At the rate we're seeing the erosion of our civil liberties, we may soon see a ruling by the Court that this latest abomination is constitutional.

[Hissyspit]

16. Fascism. n/t

[me b zola]

17. Is it fascism yet?

:wtf:

[guitar man]

18. I'd give them the saliva

they might not like where it lands though! :mad:

<edit typo>

[EVDebs]

19. CIA moving its 'domestic unit' to Denver. Just setting up shop I suppose

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/05/AR2005050501860.html

...and getting ready for the '08 Democratic Convention.

[donheld]

51. This was the Gilpin County Sheriff NOT the Denver police n/t

[EVDebs]

61. Thread says 'Denver Hwy police' at top of page

but if you don't think things aren't going to be different with the CIA in town be my guest. The assistance for a private organization is what is the scary part. Sounds like the company's way of doing business in order to have 'plausible deniability'.

Everyone from the sheriff's office to the whatever police agency out there was acting under 'color of authority' when there wasn't any legal leg to stand on.

[donheld]

68. Thread should not say Denver Hwy Police is my point

I'm not saying Denver police are saints, but the thread should not read Denver. Denver does not control Gilpin County.

[EVDebs]

73. My point is that EVERY police entity has an intelligence liason unit. nt

[blondie58]

22. omg- this is unbelievable

I live up that way and I am thinking that where they are stopping people has to be close to the 'new' casinos that have been built at Central City and Black Hawk. It saddens me every time that I go and see how they have changed what used to be ghost towns- they were rundown sure, but they had character.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

23. This is just the beginning. Hundreds were checked and a few complained.

Every single person should have raised a stink and should still be raising it, but we are being taught to be good compliant sheep.

[treestar]

69. Exactly

That's what is so appalling. The power hungry know that, too. That's why they keep on trying. And winning. They get this accepted, and so they then move onto their next attempt. I wonder what that is going to be.

[bvar22]

24. Another step toward the Corporate State.

Police Departments doing the bidding of Corporate Enterprises instead of protecting & serving the citizens.

I don't see Hillary doing much to dismantle the "Unitary Corporate Executive" she will inherit once she is coronated.

[progressoid]

25. OK, this is stupid but not fascist.

Get a grip people.

Fascists don't offer you a $100 for a blood test. They break into your house in the middle of the night, put a bag over your head, lock you in a cell and then do what they want.

Somebody made a reeeeally poor judgment call. But this ain't fascism.



Oh, and Workd Net Daily? :wtf:

[bobbolink]

28. Do you know what fascism is?

"They break into your house in the middle of the night, put a bag over your head, lock you in a cell and then do what they want."

That's totalitarianism.

[progressoid]

32. Sure...

"Fascism is also typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic, by way of a strong, single-party government for enacting laws and a strong, sometimes brutal militia or police force for enforcing them..."

[bobbolink]

36. Fascism was defined originally by Mussolini, and described

as government run by business and corporations.

Given that these "tests" were done for the benefit of a business, it fits the fascism mold.

You might also consider the following, which certainly describes the USA:

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3


Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

From Liberty Forum

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_constitution&Number=642
109&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1

[progressoid]

43. Yes, we all know the 14 points.

They get posted on DU nearly every day. In fact I think we are infected with a variation of #7.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

In contrast to the govt using fear as a tool, DUers are using fear of Fascism as an explanation for all the ills in America.

For many here it's an obsession. Every time one of the hundreds of thousands of police officers in America screws up, someone screams FASCISM!

[bobbolink]

44. If you know it, then why are you out on the prowl and attack?

So, you don't think that corporations have a huge part in the running of this government?

Really???

[progressoid]

47. Religion also has a huge part in running out gov't

Are we a theocracy?

It could be argued that a small group of elite run the country. Are we an oligarchy?

Many here say there is no difference between Dems and Repubes. Are we a Single State government?

If I wear tennis shoes does that make me a tennis player?

[bobbolink]

49. Life as an ostrich must be entertaining.

[Gormy Cuss]

30. Not fascist but highly unethical. (also see link to Denver Post story below.)

As someone with experience in this field, everything about this set up screams unethical to me. It was clearly patterned after a DUI stop to encourage participation.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6922089?source=bb

[Richard Steele]

31. When police are FORCING you to take that test (for a private company's benefit), it's fascism.

Of course, we can't assume that things actually happened that way.

As you say: "WND? :wtf:"

[bobbolink]

35. Bingo. That's what fascism is.

"Of course, we can't assume that things actually happened that way."

True. Either something really weird is going on, or the reporting was erroneous.

1. Jurisdiction is observed in Denver and Colorado.

2. Denver is NOT in Gilpin County.

3. If the "tests" were conducted in Gilpin County, then either it wasn't by Denver Police, or it was HIGHLY IRREGULAR, SUBJECT TO HUGE JURISDICTIONAL LAWSUITS, AND A FIRST EVER.

[progressoid]

39. Sure, but nothing in the article says that motorists were forced to participate.

[bobbolink]

41. Now you're agreeing that it's fascism.

"Sheriff's officials were apologizing after they helped set up and run five separate checkpoints over the weekend.

They said workers for the Institute for Research and Evaluation were overly persistent in their demands of innocent travelers.

"It was like a telemarketer that you couldn't hang up on," Undersheriff John Bayne told the newspaper."

Sounds to me quite coerced, as the Sheriff's officials even admit.

"Couldn't hang up on"

Yup, certainly sounds coerced. Threatened, perhaps?

But, maybe that's the kind of "security" you like....

[progressoid]

45. Duh, No, I'm agreeing to the definition of fascism.

No where in the article does it say the Police detained anyone. Or forced anyone to comply.

"It was like a telemarketer that you couldn't hang up on"
Wow, that's really threatening and meets all the criterion of Fascism. :eyes:

This event was a mistake. It didn't mark the rebirth of Benito Mussolini.

[bobbolink]

46. It was a "mistake" carried out by law enforcement for the benefit of

a corporation.

DUH, yourself.

[progressoid]

48. Exactly. Mistake.

Mistake doesn't necessarily equal Fascism.

[bobbolink]

50. That's what the Good Germans thought, too.

[progressoid]

53. Well, you got me with that one.

I'm slain by your erudite prowess.

[progressoid]

38. "can't assume" That's a pretty critical point.

"When police are FORCING you to take that test (for a private company's benefit), it's fascism. "

True. But according to the WND article....the deputies "did not stop" any drivers. "It was a voluntary survey. … Nobody approached them. There were signs saying that a survey was taking place. Nobody waved them down."

So, should we assume that the company rep is telling the truth?
Should we assume that the police has a slush fund to pay motorists $100 for their blood?
Perhaps the motorists assumed it was required.
Do we assume that every time a cop or gov't agency does something stupid it's the first stages of fascism?

[Jed Dilligan]

34. Must be nice to have no human subjects committee

reviewing their research plans. If I had that I would redo the Chicago Homeless Study of 1987, only this time I would wake up a few hundred yuppies in the middle of the night, in their homes, and grill them about their problems.

[bdamomma]

37. we are not America no longer, we are now Amerika.

[L. Coyote]

70. Amerikkka

[bobbolink]

40. I want to know what the "Denver Hwy Police" are.

Denver is City and County of Denver.

The City has a city police department.

The County has a Sheriff department.

NEITHER ONE PATROLS HIGHWAYS OUTSIDE OF DENVER.

Gilpin County is OUTSIDE of Denver.

??????????

[tomreedtoon]

54. It's security agents from the Umbrella Corporation.

They're trying to find out if you're an undead zombie. As far as I know, they've only detained Republicans.

[lateo]

56. If they want my DNA

I will be more than happy to throw my feces at them.

[MagickMuffin]

57. Of course WE the Taxpayers are funding PIRE

They do a lot of "work" for the DOD.:scared:


http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?company_name=Pacific+Institute+for+Research+and+Evaluation&sortby=r&detail=4&datype=T&reptype=r&database=fpds&fiscal_year=&submit=GO



Total transactions for fiscal year 2006: 52

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $7,076,597



Total transactions for fiscal year 2005: 28

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $4,375,322



Total transactions for fiscal year 2004: 10

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $5,812,660



Total transactions for fiscal year 2003: 51

Total funding (within this search) for the year: $5,993,568

[f the letter]

60. i can't believe that this hasn't shown up on any 'news' sites

This is outrageous and any American who shrugs it off should be beaten with a hardcover copy of the Constitution. For a private company no less! i am very ready for some misguided policeman to try to get me to submit to _anything_ and have a frank discussion of terms over the matter.

[liberalla]

63. BONUS!!! The guy has a radio talk show!

"I think it's very dangerous," said Sequeira, a Boulder radio personality on Latino issues.

Sequeira has invited Pacific Institute officials to appear on his radio show broadcast in Boulder and Denver on KGNU community radio, 88.5 FM and 1390 AM. The show airs at 7 p.m. Tuesdays.

Recalling Friday's incident, he said Gilpin County sheriff's officials directed him to pull over on Colorado 119 about 10:45 p.m. when his family was returning from a dinner. He said neither he nor his wife had been drinking.

They were greeted by "youthful, college" surveyors dressed in jumpsuits and blue generic caps.

"We had a 10-year-old in the back who's tired, we tell them thanks but no thanks, we have to get this child back home to bed," Sequeira said.

He said a worker persisted, saying that the researchers would assist in driving the family home if they needed assistance.

When the Sequeiras again demurred, a supervisor offered them a $100 money order.

"We say, 'No, thank you, we have to get our child home,"' Sequeira recalled. "At this point, both clones start chortling at us and ridiculing us."

Sequeira plans to file a complaint at the Gilpin County courthouse seeking to force the organization to stop the roadside tests.

"I want them to cease and desist their unethical, unsafe and unqualified roadside practice," Sequeira said.

For now, Gilpin County officials don't have to decide whether they would participate with the group again. For now, the surveys in that county are completed.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6922089

Chortling and ridiculing? ! ? ! I'm sure that's effective! :sarcasm:

I'll be surprised if this doesn't get more coverage and move into the mainstream. It's really bizarre and objectionable.

[liberalla]

64. A comment from the ACLU here...

Cathryn Hazouri, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado, said the participation of sheriff's officials and the blue jumpsuits worn by the survey team may have confused some of those who were stopped. But she said the fact that surveyors stressed that the DUI and drug tests were voluntary eased her concerns about the incident.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6922089

My concerns are certainly not eased!

"The survey results are anonymous and aren't shared with police, he said.

He said the researchers try to be sensitive to those not wanting to participate, but they push a small subset of those who initially refuse to reconsider - even offering incentives.

"If we don't do that, the criticism will come out that we had so many who were refusers," Lacey said.

Bayne said a similar study conducted in Gilpin County 2 1/2 years ago by the same researchers resulted in no complaints. But he added that last weekend's effort was more aggressive.

"The people were too persistent," Bayne said. "Some people didn't feel it was voluntary.""

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6922089

"The survey results are anonymous and aren't shared with police," ??? How can you be sure they're anonymous? I find it hard to believe the Sheriff's Dept. didn't take down license plate numbers. This whole thing reeks!

Who's Lacey? That's John Lacey, the director of the Alcohol, Policy and Safety Research Center in Calverton, Md., through which Pacific Institute conducted its research.

"...criticism will come out that we had so many who were refusers,"

"refusers"? Can't have criticism! Can't refuse!

Total authoritarian BS.

[pepperbear]

72. and then word "detained" is in quotes because......???

OMG.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

76. I'd need confirmation before I believe it.

One needs to sign informed consent waivers and so on before giving bodily fluids.