Why don't you think the Dems never respond back...

[coco77]

to the Repubs when they tell them they hate the troops? Why don't they ever tell them in ads and on these talkshows that all of the troops aren't Repugs. They have been talking this shit for years as though everyone of the troops are repugs. Once they get ready to ask for a draft who are they going to be telling to be one of the troops?

[Cetacea]

1. One area in which Carville/Clinton excelled in

was in not letting them get away with shit like that. They would have lost the elections if not for the "War Room".

[coco77]

2. And that is why I like Carville...

he doesn't let them get away with this shit. Had enough Dems?

[melody]

5. Yeah, and of course he's actually a Republican, so that helps n/t

[coco77]

9. Whatever, he is ...

he sure knows how to tell it like it is...

[melody]

19. No he doesn't -- he knows how to tell it like his pimps tell him it is

I'm sure Mary's proud.

[blm]

23. The REASON Clinton won was because of the DEms in congress who pummeled Bush1

throughout his entire term (driving his favorable rating down to the 30s during an election year) and uncovered his connections to IranContra and BCCI (Kerry) and Iraqgate (Henry Gonzalez). There were constant bad headlines for Bush1 generated on their discoveries throughout that entire 92 campaign year, unlike today's cowed press, the press back then were relatively fair and honest when it came to reporting news - they were not yet fully controlled by the corporations who had positioned themselves to take over the driver's seat of the newsrooms.

Bush2 had many of the most influential and wellknown Democrats publicly SUPPORTING him on the two biggest issues of the election - his terrorism policies and his military strategy on Iraq. Those wellknown Dems included Bill and Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman.

The lesser known Kerry won anyway, but the DNC let the RNC steal that election for Bush - again. While the RNC spent their four years gaining control of every aspect of the election process where the votes are cast and counted, the DNC sat on their hands and let them do it without counter, overseeing a party strategy that allowed the party infrastructures to collapse in the red and crucial swing states since 1997.

The head of the party throughout that time was instrumental in that strategy to concentrate on targeted states while states like Florida and Ohio were left to full on RNC thuggery.

[ClassWarrior]

3. Never? Can you prove they "never" respond back?

:eyes:

Maybe it's time to put away the broad brush and start letting the Dems know you have their back, so they can muster up the political courage to do things like this. Sure, it'd be great if they were all FDRs and just did the right thing on their own, but this is the real world, laddy...

NGU.

[coco77]

12. I didn't say they didn't respond back...

I am talking about this particular point! I am in the real world Buddy! HOW FUCKING LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM MUSTER UP SOME POLITICAL COURAGE!I have their backs but to hell with the blue dogs and any other enabling motherfuckers.

[melody]

4. I'm wondering when I'll actually see a GOP critical post from some of those knocking Democrats

I've seen more Democrat-bashing today from putative Democrats than I've seen on right-leaning boards.

[coco77]

11. I wonder where you've been...

since you claim you haven't seen any. The Dems need to be criticized so that they can get off their asses and do something and stop the parsing of words and stop beating around the BUSH!

[melody]

20. "stop beating around the BUSH!?" At last you show your true colors.

Deal with it -- the only way you're going to save your sickly, terminally ill party is by
trying this kind of cheap trick. And it's not going to work. 70% of the USA still despises
your "favorite" son.

[babylonsister]

21. Bashing, or articles posted you don't agree with?

I know, lots of bashing going on. Cafferty did, too, but some of it is warranted.

[melody]

22. Yes, and we'll do what we always do -- bash ourselves into being the minority party

Rove didn't retire -- he's orchestrating this stuff behind the scenes.

[stillcool]

6. Maybe the networks

can't fit a democratic representative in between O.J. and Brittany. Should the democratic party, shell out an exorbitant amount of money to debunk bullshit? And, then should 'we the people' donate more money so that democrats can still be competitive in the next election cycle? Can we not expect people..at this late date...to be a little more discerning regarding the absolute horse-shit that is spewed on the television screen?

[coco77]

13. No, they can open their damn mouths...

when they do appear on some of these talking head shows and stop all of this NUANCE bullshit!

[stillcool]

15. I don't know if....

there is a precise incident you are speaking about. Do you want someone from the Democratic party to appear on your television screen and rebuke every mis-representation made by the media, or the republican party for the last year..two years....decade??? I don't watch television. I get more information off the net in 10 minutes, than I could find on the television screen in 10 days..probably 10 months. I am much better informed and not nearly as angry. You are being played.

[coco77]

16. I am talking about anytime they get a chance to debunk ...

this garbage about the Dems hating the troops. I watch television and the enemy(Fox)and they always have some mealy mouth so called Dem on there complaining about what the Dems aren't doing instead of talking straight. They do have a few who won't stand up to their garbage but they are always are talked over or they say it in a way that is not straightforward.

[stillcool]

17. well then...

expect what you get.
The Politics of News Media
from the book
False Hope
by Norman Solomon, 1994
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/PoliticsNewsMedia.html

[Selatius]

7. Too many Democrats, not all, simply say, "Let's move on; it's in the past now."

That's the reason why many middle-of-the-road types don't vote Democratic. They get the impression too few Democrats stand for anything and run when the mud starts flying. Ironically, it has meant that many Democrats have adopted the notion of running away from taking stands on the issues in an attempt to court middle voters, when middle voters want somebody who looks like they're leading, not running away.

It's a cliche, but the saying that I'd rather vote for somebody who is wrong but strong than somebody who is right but weak does hold a modicum of truth. People are unnerved with leaders who appear to falter in the face of serious issues and are reassured with leaders who aren't afraid to draw a line in the sand and debate it out.

[VP505]

18. No better example

of that than team Bu$h/Cheney. Everything and I do mean EVERYTHING that Bu$h touches turns to sh** but his base still adores him and will tell you in a heart beat that he has conviction.

"It's a cliche, but the saying that I'd rather vote for somebody who is wrong but strong than somebody who is right but weak does hold a modicum of truth."

[simmonsj811]

8. is there any rule

that the dem's from both the house and senate can't have a weekly meeting and speak as an united front? A place where the leaders should lead and everyone saying the same thing as appose to groups and individual speaking there points where all seem to be going different directions we all need to get on the same page just like the re pugs. take a picture, together hold hands do something.until then it seems we're just spitting in the wind imo

[AndyTiedye]

10. They Do Respond, But The Media Ignores Them. You Only Get to See it on CSPAN, If Even There

When the Repiggies say something bad about the Democrats, that's "news", so they get to do it for free.
For us, it's $$$$$$$$$$$$$ per second, if we can even get them to accept our ads.

[coco77]

14. I am talking about this particular point...

I have never seen it..