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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:26 PM
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Edwards calls Congressional Democrats Cowards, but He Cut-and-Ran from the Senate to be President
who took his place?



just sayin' . . .
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:28 PM
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1. Image instead of substance ,Just like the polls in his own party.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:29 PM
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2. Well to be fair it wasn't Edwards fault the election was rigged in Ohio.
Or he would be Vice President now.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:29 PM
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3. That doesn't make alot of sense
he didn't resign. He just didn't run again. And by most indications he'd have not gotten re-elected anyway.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:33 PM
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4. Why would he have not been re-elected?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:42 PM
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12. I believe I'd heard that he hadn't spent alot of time on SC issues
I thought I'd heard he was not polling well. The Senate was more of a stepping stone for him, I think.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:27 PM
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32. SC? But he was a NC congressman! not SC! n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:53 PM
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39. Eh. Cut me some slack. It's my birthday
I knew it was one of the Carolinas.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:43 AM
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47. Happy Birthday! n/t
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:32 PM
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73. Nope, Edwards Was A Senator.... n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:46 PM
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74. That always confuses me.
Why Congressman/woman is reserved for the House. I mean, the whole thing is Congress, right, Senate included? To me, Rep. and Sen. should distinguish which part of Congress. But you are correct! :toast:
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:49 PM
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18. I agree, "cut and ran". I think not.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:34 PM
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5. That just does not seem fair to say.
He ran for VP and should have won. He did not run for reelection for his Senate seat because he intended to run for the Presidency. Just sayin'.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:35 PM
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6. Did he vote to give bush the loaded gun?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:36 PM
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7. Same deal with Lincoln when he got shot.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:37 PM
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8. A little desperate, I'd say.
I've heard some criticisms that might have some merit, but this is spurious. All those electrons died in vain.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:38 PM
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10. I just heard Tucker Carlson call Democrats cowards
spurious, thy name is Edwards
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:39 PM
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11. I've seen a thousands upon thousands of posts here on DU
calling them cowards.

What's new?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:45 PM
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14. It's Edwards turn
he put his foot in it when he uttered that phrase last night with a self-satisfied grin
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:51 PM
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20. Didn't say anything most of the country isn't already thinking...n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:47 PM
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16. you think?!?!?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:37 PM
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9. Is this going to be Bill Richardson's tactic?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:44 PM
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13. no it's my opinion
I'm not running a campaign, I'm commenting on a message board.

Btw, I also have problems with Richardson's rhetoric against the Democrats, but I'm on Edwards right now. Edwards back and forth on Iraq is nowhere near Richardson's excellent stance.

I think he's off-base in criticizing the Democrats who have remained dedicated to the fight in Congress for some timidity when he walked away from the fight.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:49 PM
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19. So he would have more power as a minority Senator than as Vice President?
He "walked away from the fight" to...what? Study Mandarin? Brew beer in Belgium? Alphabetize his spice rack?

I would think that being Vice President would have been as admirable as being a junior Senator under Fristian rule.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:58 PM
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21. if he had acknowledged how difficult it is to succeed against republican obstruction
I wouldn't be having this . . . existential meltdown!!!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:03 PM
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24. Oh my, well you have a nice cup of hot tea & calm down :)
:yoiks:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:46 PM
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15. tell me, how much power was Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R) going to let him have?
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 05:47 PM by LSK
Please tell us about how the legislative process works. Why dont you tell us about how Committees and Hearings work.

If you know the Senate is not going to change party control, wouldn't being President be more effective???

:shrug:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:47 PM
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17. So what does that make Lieberman? Brave?





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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:58 PM
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22. I feel we're all a little dumber for having read this...
I'm not sure what kind of warped logic it takes to come with a statement like that. I don't think I want to know either..

I guess Al Gore cut n ran too, since he didn't run for a Senate seat or *anything* in '02, '04 or '06... right?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:07 PM
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25. how long did Edwards actually stay in the Senate?
He must have amazing insight into what it takes to succeed there.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:11 PM
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26. How long was Gore in 'government service' altogether? (Rep, Sen., VP)
Hey cool! I can answer a question with a question too!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:22 PM
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30. I'm not advocating Gore. He should be expected to weigh his own service
against his criticisms of hie peers in Congress . . . just like I'm weighing Edwards' criticisms against his short experience in the Senate.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:04 PM
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40. So, it takes a certain degree of "experience in the Senate" to call someone a coward?
Who knew!?!

All it takes a set of eyes and some common sense to call a spade a spade.

I guess from here on out, we don't need to elect any *new* senators then, since they lack experience in the senate and won't have anything significant to contribute. I mean, how *could* they, right?

You've convinced me, I'll only vote for the incumbent from here on out. Thanks! :sarcasm:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:42 PM
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41. no. Of course, he's speaking to their inability to overcome republican obstruction
a task of which he has very little practical experience. I can't account for the deflections in your responses.

Vote for whoever you want, just vote for a Democrat.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:23 PM
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43. How to deal with republican obstructionism:
Remind them that they are the minority party now. This can be accomplished in a few easy steps.

1. Just tell them bluntly "you're the minority now, stfu!"

2. Lock them out of meetings and committees, just like they did to the Dems.

3. Stick them in the basement like they did John Conyers.

You see, I'm not one of those "play nice" Democrats. We need to be playing smashmouth politics right now and we need to be ramming their bullshit back down their own throats. It doesn't take any kind of Senate experience to know what we need to do. It doesn't take any hands on experience dealing with them to know what we need to do. All it takes is reading and hearing about what they've done.

If I follow your logic on this, I can come to the conclusion that that every political analyst and every reporter who writes an opinion piece shouldn't be taken seriously because they have no experience directly dealing in Senate matters.

The bottom line is yes, the Dems *are* cowards. Period. They have the opportunity to change the direction that this country is headed in, but they are either asleep at the wheel, or they are just enjoying the ride too...

It's time to stop being wimps. Look at it like this: The Dems are like a dog that's been beaten for the last 6 years. Now all of a sudden, their abuser (the republics) is down on the ground (the minority party). Should the beaten dog:

A. Go over and lick the abusers hand or
B. Go for the jugular while the abuser is down?

I vote for "B"...
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:52 PM
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45. Great post!!! n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:12 PM
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27. Why did Richardson cut and run from Congress?
I don't see him in there anymore either.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:15 PM
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28. after 14 years or so as a representative?


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:20 PM
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29. My God, what could he have accomplished if he had stayed longer!!!
:crazy:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:24 PM
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31. I'll take his criticisms of his colleagues better than I would Edwards'
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 06:24 PM by bigtree
based on the length and breadth of their service. That's not a stretch at all.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:28 PM
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33. “(Being gay is) a choice. You know, I’m not a scientist." - Bill Richardson
Well, everyone has an unfortunate turn of phrase now and then, eh?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:41 PM
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37. actions speak louder than words
I'll support Richardson's record supporting concerns of the GLBT community against the others' any day.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:01 PM
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23. yawn...next...
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:30 PM
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34. Edwards "cut and ran" from Congress?
It's rare to hear a Democrat use that phrase, especially in describing another Dem.

You are doing a bang-up job in ensuring that the DU Primary Season 2008 Flamefest continues apace. Congratulations.

:grr:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:32 PM
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35. Just think, after the nominee is selected, the GOP need only come here for ammo
It's disgraceful.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:42 PM
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38. Tucker Carlson apparently went to Edwards for his ammo
when he called the Democrats cowards today
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:46 PM
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42. Tucker's an idiot
and he is your source?
:rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:02 AM
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52. source? What are you talking about?
the poster suggested that my criticism of Edwards was somehow hurting the party. What about Edward's criticism, which is being echoed by republican hacks like Carlson? Honestly, you folks really go out of your way to defend those who attack our legislators. Your post is completely off.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:39 PM
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36. drop in the bucket
hey, how's that coward rhetoric working out for the former Senator?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:30 PM
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44. Citing the obvious if you ask most of us...he's spot on...
I'll only be surprised if they START to USE that goddamned powder that they've been keeping dry...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:54 PM
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46. Link please
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:45 AM
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48. So he appointed him? I didn't realize he had that power.
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 12:46 AM by mmonk
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:52 AM
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49. Does the "cut and run" charge apply to all politicians who leave
one office to run for another? Is it also always considered bad form for ex-Congresspersons and ex-Senators to level any criticism at the body they are no longer a part of?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:08 AM
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55. No. I reserve that view of mine for Edwards
Who took a cheap shot to try and boost his flagging campaign.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:56 AM
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50. Then vote for a republican, and good luck.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:06 AM
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54. YOU vote for a republican
I never have and never will. Poor deflection.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:13 AM
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59. You seem to despise Edwards .. who will you vote for if he's the nominee?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 04:34 PM
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71. A fair question!
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 01:01 AM
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51. Why attack Edwards now?
When he alone, of all the presidential candidates stood up to Bush last night?

Who are you serving with tripe like this?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:05 AM
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53. He made a self-serving commercial
I don't think his Iraq policy is worth a shit. Who is he serving? That's the question.
I'm just someone on a message board with an opinion. The 'tripe' came from Edwards when he called Democrats in Congress cowards.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:05 PM
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79. JE did his best to "look" Presidential and to reach mass population
with that air time. Not a bad move on his part. His calling his fellow Democrats in Congress "cowards" though is despicable, considering that JE co sponsored and voted for the IWR, then left the mess for his fellow Democrats in Congress holding the bag and having to battle the Republicans (in a realistic fashion), and do the day to day drudgery work of the people to boot!

I would consider giving people who at leastare showing up every day and trying to deal with this catastrophe a few points for a show of conscience. I would say that JE, true to his ego, has cowardly run off to bigger and better things....self serving as usual.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:06 PM
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86. I won't knock him just for his IWR vote
I knock him in that instance for the way he supported the invasion.

He was much more accepting and supportive than most Democrats who voted for the legislation. He maintained that stance until recently when he decided to run for the top job.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:23 AM
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56. I like Edwards, but sometimes it is easier to tell others what they should
be doing than it is to do it yourself. ;)
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:58 AM
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57. NEW RULE: If you lie in your OP and make a fool of yourself, the rest of us get to call you one....
You obviously know nothing about the topic which you raised.

AS for the lie -- Edwards has never called Congressional Democrats Cowards.

If you cannot provide proof to back up such a blatant lie, then sir YOU are indeed A LIAR!

Without credibility, sir, you will not command anyone to adopt your views. You will however suffer the shame of exposing your shortcomings for all to see.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:08 AM
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58. he said they don't have the courage to end the occupation
that's a lawyerly way of calling them cowards. It was a tactic directed at his rivals, Clinton and Obama, who are in the Senate.

I'm not falling for his cheap political stunt. And, I think your parsing here of what he said is an amazing apology for Edwards. He meant to paint Democrats in Congress as cowards to appeal to folks who have been calling them cowards. There's really no point in pretending he's so naive as to not understand the import of his rhetoric.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:37 PM
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61. thanks Bigtree, I don't have to call you a liar, you just proved it yourself... nice going!
Edwards never called any Congressional member a 'coward.' You just admitted that. You just proved you are a liar.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:57 PM
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63. It's not a lie. I have a perfect right to interpret what he said
It's done here all of the time. Just like you took my interpretation and branded me a liar.

You've gone well out of your way to put me down for this post. Calling me a liar because I interpreted his statement about Congress not having the courage to end the occupation as the same as calling them cowards is out of line. Those terms are interchanged here all of the time, in numerous posts.

And, why parse the meaning of what he said? How far from a definition of a 'coward' is a lack of courage? You have absolutely no grounds for calling me a liar. Obviously that isn't enough to stop you.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:27 PM
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93. lack of courage = coward DEFINITION IN DICTIONARY
look it up

stop trying to whitewash what JE said

gaining speed - going faster get it???? English language allows us to interchange phrases that mean the same as well as using a definition in place of a single word JE knows this better than most, since being a lawyer, their success is really pretty dependent on their mastery of persuasion using the English language to be as bold as needed or as indirect as possible to convey the same message in a more low key and non accusatory way...... It really goes back to you can say just about anything to anybody (within reason of course) as long as you phrase it correctly and use the correct tone and body language when delivering the message. Con-men are good at this too
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:19 AM
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60. Ok, This Is One Of The Silliest Candidate Attacks I've Seen Yet.
In fact, I think we should have a sticky board in which to place the most ridiculous candidate attacks, and then vote for the most pathetic. I don't think this one would win, but I think it should be up there.

What silliness.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:45 PM
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62. Thanks for the Right-Wing talking points.
Which party do you care about again?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:59 PM
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64. Oh, self-rightousness now
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 03:06 PM by bigtree
and, the predictable accusations of republicanism. Weak.

Where was Edward's 'care' for the party in his attack? Is Edwards 'the party' now?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:32 PM
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65. You're the big defender here.You don't like people saying negative things about Dems...
until it's something you agree with, then it's valid.

Save it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 06:17 PM
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66. wrong
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 06:20 PM by bigtree
I've said that our legislators need to begin to work together to advance our concerns. My advocacy has been against the new tactic by some to attack our own legislators and party by labeling all Democrats as complicit, weak, cowards, whatever. I've never said that direct criticisms of the actions of individual Democrats *were out of line.

I'm not surprised you didn't bother to read what I was actually saying *to understand. All I seem to get from you in response are continued broad-brush attacks.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:23 PM
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67. John must be trending upward again.......
Here comes the "hit and run" machine.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:18 AM
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70. I believe his campaign has stalled.
and, hit and run? You can't be serious. I've kicked this sorry thread up more times than I've wanted just to answer the responses. Isn't that clear?

And, I'm no hit machine for anyone. I'm a private citizen with a point of view. Deal with it.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:02 AM
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68. Can we please NOT use RW terminology on our own Democrats here at DU? It's kind of nauseating.
Besides which I don't believe it applies to John Edwards -- or to any of our candidates.

If Edwards had stayed in the Senate, people would be bitching that he wasn't paying sufficient attention to his Senatorial duties. This is a no-win argument.

Hekate

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. you mean like Edwards calling our Democratic legislators cowards?
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 07:15 AM by bigtree
the myopia here is breathtaking

and, I'll admit that it wasn't the most artful argument. It was a venting post after I heard tucker carlson say the same thing as Edwards. Can you understand that?

If I had a do-over, I'd leave out the cut-and-run line. But I'm also not willing to cede ANY of our language to republicans for their personal use.

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #69
77. You might want to check and see if you took your meds today, repeating lies over and over...
You know Edwards did not call any member of Congress a coward.
In subsequent posts you admitted Edwards did not call any member of Congress a coward.
And now you are back to repeating 'Edwards calling our Democratic legislators cowards.'

What exactly is your problem?

Are you suffering from multiple personality disorder? That would be the only reasonable explanation for such conduct.

Sheesh.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. Wow, how much name calling will you do to TRY to weasel out of
the OBVIOUS? "..lack of courage = coward....YOU deal with it. JE will IMPLY anything to make himself look good. JE will take any tidbit and play off of it to make himself look good.

Furthermore, stating your opinion is part of what this forum is all about. Unfortunately, many like you seem to like to name call as well.

You are no where near as clever as you seem to think that you are.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. Let's see ...how many links to the statement by Edwards calling members of congress cowards? ZERO
If anyone is trying 'to weasel out of the obvious'... well it is self-evident.

BTW there is a big difference between a fact and an opinion. The OP stated as a fact an untruth.

And no one is trying to keep you or anyone else from stating your opinion. However, be prepared to be challenged anytime you state something as being factually true and it turns out to be false.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. once again. In Edward's paid commercial after Bush's speech
he said that Congress didn't have the courage to end the occupation. It is entirely legitimate for me to assume that he was referring to the Democrats, specifically targeting Obama and Clinton. To try and posture otherwise is beyond belief. This is a typical campaign ploy to win the votes of others who have characterized Democrats as cowards.

It's just the same kind of attack as his repeated references to lobbyists. He uses those references as a sly attack on Clinton. He directly attacked her for her connections in the debate, and he brings the lobbyist issue up just to dig at her for that. It's typical politics.

It is beyond belief that wasn't trying elevate his own campaign by criticizing the Democrats in Congress for their failure to bring about an end to the occupation when he made the remarks about "courage." It is an insult to intelligence to knock me for jumping to the conclusion that Edwards obviously wanted us to jump to when he decided to put the remark in his prepared statement in his campaign commercial he ran as a counter to both Bush's address as well as a counter to the Democratic address.

But you go on encouraging everyone to play dumb.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. Post the link and the quote that includes Edwards using the word 'cowards' ... DOES NOT EXIST. n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. that's a ridiculous point
It's a slick denial of what Edwards said in his campaign commercial. So what if he didn't use the word. Most people know what he meant, and I have a perfect right to interpret what he said without being repeatedly called a liar.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #82
95. Since, "coward = lack of courage" DEFINITION IN DICTIONARY
We will see how dumb people really want to act, which really isn't surprising seeing how they are supporting JE and buying all of his rhetoric rather than looking at what he has actually done when he was in office.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #81
91. .lack of courage = coward DEFINITION IN DICTIONARY

"Definition of coward
coward, someone easily frightened, or LACKING COURAGE to face danger or difficulty. ... coward, someone who acts brutally towards the weak or undefended. ... "


"Destitute of courage; timid; cowardly"

"A person who LACKS COURAGE; a timid or pusillanimous person; a poltroon."

http://www.brainyquote.com/words/co/coward149105.html




cow·ard < ków ərd > (plural cow·ards)

noun

Definition:

1. somebody LACKING COURAGE: somebody regarded as fearful and uncourageous

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861600962/coward.html



Dictionary - you know a source used when trying to express a thought using a word OR a STRING OF WORDS to convey an idea......remember using them in school?????? Remember having to know "definitions" of words for vocabulary tests???????? PLEASE GIVE US A BREAK WITH THIS INFANTILE ARGUMENT. Definitions and words are interchangeable in the English Language - this lesson is taught in GRAMMAR SCHOOL!!!!!!!! How old are you and how much education do you actually7 have? I feel like I am talking to a kid for God's sake. Your lame arguments wouldn't stand up in any classroom or.....court of law...which I might add is JE's backround, using words to convey messages and ideas to win arguments.....So JE knew EXACTLY what he was saying and what it meant. That is what lawyers do




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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. "I feel like I am talking to a kid for God's sake." - Truly, feeling is mutual
When I saw your post with all the GIVE ME A BREAKS and calling people LAME and UNEDUCATED I thought, this is some kid. Just sayin'.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #98
101. The comment wasn't directed to you, but since you threw in your 2 cents
"PLEASE GIVE US A BREAK WITH THIS INFANTILE ARGUMENT." The argument is being called infantile, not the person.

Definitions and words are interchangeable in the English Language - this lesson is taught in GRAMMAR SCHOOL!!!!!!!! How old are you and how much education do you actually7 have? I feel like I am talking to a kid for God's sake." This is very true, sentence structure, synonyms, vocabulary, definitions are all talked about in grammar school. Unfortunately, people are either ignorant of the English language and it's rules, or they just like to ignore them for their own convenience. Either way, they are still wrong. Words and their definitions can be interchangeable.....

"Your lame arguments wouldn't stand up in any classroom or.....court of law...which I might add is JE's backround, using words to convey messages and ideas to win arguments.....So JE knew EXACTLY what he was saying and what it meant. That is what lawyers do." Again, the ARGUMENTS are LAME.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #101
104. OK, sorry we're not as mature as you. "Mad Munchie". nt
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #104
114. You have no idea where that name came from, should I try to interpret yours?
Or is that just foolish?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. I could not care less. You are pushy and rude. Sorry.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #116
120. Who started our communication???? I was responding to someone
else's statement, when you jumped in and attacked me. Who is pushy? Who is rude?
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BostonMa Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:30 PM
Response to Original message
72. Link?
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BostonMa Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. LINK?
Where he used the word \"COWARD\" about Democrats?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. There isn't one... and he admitted as much up thread. n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #75
83. that answer is in the thread. Most everyone saw his commercial
That he ran after the Democratic rebuttal to Bush's address where he accused Congress of lacking the 'courage' to end the occupation. I interpreted that as calling Democrats cowards. The same type of attack that goes on here these days, almost every day.

I'm not going to post a link. You can google Edwards' campaign site and find his comments there.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. YOU POSTED "I interpreted that as calling Democrats cowards." Enough said! n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. Right. On a message board where EVERYONE interprets what these people say
I have a perfect right to that interpretation.

What DO you think is the difference between saying they 'don't have the courage' and calling them cowards? Only in some alternate universe (or language) could you claim that the two aren't related and interchangable.

If you want folks to dumb down and stop thinking for themselves, forget it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. Well, you have a right to interpretation but you did misrepresent the quote
In all fairness, your headline says "Edwards calls Democrats cowards" . . . that sounds like a direct quote, not an interpretation.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. coward =lack of courage DEFINITION IN DICTIONARY
Not an interpretation


Definition and Interpretation do not mean the same

OP chose to use 1 word for what JE said in 3 words.......What is the difference??????? they mean EXACTLY the same thing.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #92
97. You can't QUOTE someone and say "he SAID that" when he didn't.
You can't use a thesaurus and pretend to quote somebody and claim it is "exactly the same thing". Here is the definition of coward:


Main Entry: coward
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: afraid person
Synonyms: alarmist, baby*, big baby, caitiff, chicken*, chicken liver*, chicken-heart, craven, cur, dastard, deserter, faint-of-heart, fraidy cat, funk, gutless*, gutless wonder, invertebrate*, jellyfish*, lily-liver, malingerer, milksop, milquetoast, mollycoddle, mouse*, nerd, pessimist, poltroon, punk, quitter, rabbit*, recreant, scaredy-cat, shirk, shirker, sissy, skulker, sneak, turkey, weak sister, weakling, white liver*, yellow*, yellow-belly

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/coward




Could I say, "Edwards calls Congresspeople babies". "Edwards accuses Congress of being turkeys." "Edwards says Congresspeople are fraidy cat mollycoddles." ???
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #97
99.  Do you understand the difference between a synonym and a definition??????
Apparently not.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #99
100. Do you know the difference between a quotation and a paraphrase?
Apparently not.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #100
102. Answering a question with a question?????? Very telling. There are no
Quotation Marks on the OP's original subject line. Therefore, it isn't a direct quote. So the OP didn't break any rules by their statement. You do know what quotation marks are, don't you?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. You are a rude disruptor with no manners and use entirely too much punctuation.
"Very telling" :crazy:
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #103
107. Now who is calling names? And look at the original OP, according
to what the OP said, you are the disruptor and YOU chimed into my comments to somebody else.... So far no answers to my questions or clarifications, just name calling.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. HOW old ARE you And HOW much EDUCATION!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
:crazy:
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. I'm over 50 and a college graduate.
Sorry you don't like my style of writing, but the rules are what they are and I choose to abide by them. As usual, you don't respond to the questions, you just attack.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:05 PM
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113. Wah.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #113
115. That was sure intelligible
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #97
105. He NEVER QUOTED ANYBODY, He said "Edwards calls Congressional Democrats Cowards
, but He Cut-and-Ran from the Senate to be President" THAT is a quote, (notice the QUOTATION MARKS) and that is NOT what the OP did.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. YOU are FULL of BALONEY, "CALLING SOMEONE" is an IMPLIED QUOTATION!?!?!?!?!?!
There, do you understand it with your own punctuation style?
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #106
109. Boy oh boy, you are so wrong and cannot even own up to it.
The OP never quoted JE - period. He simply made a statement and many of you are foaming at the mouths because you don't agree with his statement. Fine, foam all that you want to, the fact still remains, that the OP never claimed to quote JE.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #109
112. Seriously, YOU are so wrong and won't own up to it.
The OP said Edwards CALLED someone a particular word. Only in your world and the OP's is an "interpretation" allowed.

Also. You would have more credibility if you didn't chime in negatively on every Edwards thread saying "typical". "Telling". Etcetera.

Ciao, all your exclamation points have given me a splitting headache.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #112
119. If you just took what the OP said, you would see that they did nothing wrong.
"Seriously, YOU are so wrong and won't own up to it." No I am not, the OP didn't quote anybody
"The OP said Edwards CALLED someone a particular word. Only in your world and the OP's is an "interpretation" allowed." Again the definition of coward is lacking courage.....he didn't quote anybody - he made a statement not an interpretation.

Also. You would have more credibility if you didn't chime in negatively on every Edwards thread saying "typical". "Telling". Etcetera. I don't trust JE, he is a dangerous candidate. He did a horrible job as a Senator and made disastrous judgments during his short 6 years on the Senate. I will continue to campaign against this guy, because he is alluring, charismatic, rich (which gives him opportunities that others with smaller bank accounts don't have) and has a history of terrible judgments. And I don't chime in on every JE thread, although I wish I could, but I don't have the time to.

"Ciao, all your exclamation points have given me a splitting headache." I have a headache to. You threw me quite a few exclamation points and other things as well.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #119
121. OK truce already.
I'm sorry. Really I am, but I don't agree with you about the OP.

But at least in this:

"He did a horrible job as a Senator and made disastrous judgments during his short 6 years on the Senate. I will continue to campaign against this guy, because he is alluring, charismatic, rich (which gives him opportunities that others with smaller bank accounts don't have) and has a history of terrible judgments."

I learned where you are coming from. Of course, I don't happen to agree and I am sure we will both vote for whoever the eventual nominee is.

Again, I'm sorry, I'm not usually like this :)
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. Me either (being usually like this) It was really nice of you to apologize
thank you and right back at you.

I just hope the best person becomes our nominee, I am just not too sure who that person will be yet.

Peace & Love
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BostonMa Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #83
90. >>>I\'m not going to post a link.
Then it\'s very hard to take this seriously if all you are going to do is fling poo.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:48 PM
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76. .
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:38 PM
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94. This thread belongs over at freeperville.
:puke:
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BostonMa Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:11 PM
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117. Agreed.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
96. He'd probably be drawing up an Iran War Resolution right about now
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 02:08 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot
IWR part 2.

Save it, Mr. Edwards.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:05 PM
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111. How right you probably are
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BostonMa Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:15 PM
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118. LEAVE EDWARDS ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:mad:
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #118
122. Sorry, no can do. Is your red face growling at me supposed to scare me?
This thread was started by someone who is apparently not for JE. If you don't like what is being said don't read the posts.....simple enough?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:20 PM
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123. "All of you BASTARDS should be glad he's even campaigning for you!"
:rofl:
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