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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:04 AM
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Remember Ashleigh Banfield... Amazing speech that got her fired from MSNBC
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 02:23 AM by Roxy66
http://speechfreedom.typepad.com/speech_freedom/2007/04...

A post by Digby...on the website "Progressive Speech Freedom"

"On 9/11 those of us who were lucky enough not to be in Manhattan sat glued to our television sets and watched a star being born. Here's how the Wikipedia described it:

On September 11, 2001, Ashleigh Banfield was reporting from the streets of Manhattan, where she was nearly suffocated from the debris cloud from the collapsing World Trade Center. Banfield continued reporting, even as she rescued a NYPD officer, and with him, fled to safety into a street side shop. After the initial reporting of the tragedy had ended, Banfield received a promotion, as MSNBC sent her around the world as the producer of a new program, A Region in Conflict.

A Region in Conflict was broadcast mainly from Pakistan and Afghanistan, generally considered locations unfriendly to Westerners. To report day-to-day local stories in that area of the world, she sometimes used her Canadian citizenship to provide access where Americans might not be welcome. She would read viewer e-mails on-air, sometimes without reviewing them beforehand, to avoid bias.

During the conflict in Afghanistan, Banfield interviewed Taliban prisoners, and visited a hospital in Kabul. Later entries covered her travels from Jalalabad to Kabul, as well as other experiences in Afghanistan. In Pakistan, she interviewed Father Gregory Rice, a Catholic priest in Pakistan, and an Iraqi woman aiding refugees. While in Afghanistan, Banfield darkened her blond hair in order to be less obviously a foreigner.

I made terrible fun of Banfield. She seemed to me to be the personification of the infotainment industrial complex, a reporter better known for her stylish spectacles and blond highlights than her journalistic skills. She was their girl hero, a Jessica Lynch of TV news, constructed out of whole cloth in the marketing department of MSNBC. But I was wrong about her. It's true that she was a cable news star who was created out of the rubble of 9/11, but her reporting that day really was pretty riveting. Her stories from Afghanistan were often shallow, but no more than any of the other blow dried hunks they dispatched over there, and they were sometimes better. Still, she symbolized for me the media exploitation of 9/11 and the War on Terror Show and I was unforgiving.

But very shortly after the invasion of Iraq --- even before Codpiece Day --- Banfield delivered a speech that destroyed her career. She was instantly demoted by MSNBC and fired less than a year later.

Do you remember what she said?"
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Ashleigh Banfield Landon Lecture
Kansas State University
Manhattan, Kansas
April 24, 2003

...I suppose you watch enough television to know that the big TV show is over and that the war is now over essentially -- the major combat operations are over anyway, according to the Pentagon and defense officials -- but there is so much that is left behind. And I'm not just talking about the most important thing, which is, of course, the leadership of a Middle Eastern country that could possibly become an enormous foothold for American and foreign interests. But also what Americans find themselves deciding upon when it comes to news, and when it comes to coverage, and when it comes to war, and when it comes to what's appropriate and what's not appropriate any longer.

I think we all were very excited about the beginnings of this conflict in terms of what we could see for the first time on television. The embedded process, which I'll get into a little bit more in a few moments, was something that we've never experienced before, neither as reporters nor as viewers. The kinds of pictures that we were able to see from the front lines in real time on a video phone, and sometimes by a real satellite link-up, was something we'd never seen before and were witness to for the first time.

And there are all sorts of good things that come from that, and there are all sorts of terrible things that come from that. The good things are the obvious. This is one more perspective that we all got when it comes to warfare, how it's fought and how tough these soldiers are, what the conditions are like and what it really looks like when they're firing those M-16s rapidly across a river, or across a bridge, or into a building.

<...>

So for that element alone it was a wonderful new arm of access that journalists got to warfare. Perhaps not that new, because we all knew what it looked like at Vietnam and what a disaster that was for the government, but this did put us in a very, very close line of sight to the unfolding disasters.

That said, what didn't you see? You didn't see where those bullets landed. You didn't see what happened when the mortar landed. A puff of smoke is not what a mortar looks like when it explodes, believe me. There are horrors that were completely left out of this war. So was this journalism or was this coverage-? There is a grand difference between journalism and coverage, and getting access does not mean you're getting the story, it just means you're getting one more arm or leg of the story. And that's what we got, and it was a glorious, wonderful picture that had a lot of people watching and a lot of advertisers excited about cable news. But it wasn't journalism, because I'm not so sure that we in America are hesitant to do this again, to fight another war, because it looked like a glorious and courageous and so successful terrific endeavor, and we got rid oaf horrible leader: We got rid of a dictator, we got rid of a monster, but we didn't see what it took to do that.

I can't tell you how bad the civilian casualties were. I saw a couple of pictures. I saw French television pictures, I saw a few things here and there, but to truly understand what war is all about you've got to be on both sides. You've got to be a unilateral, someone who's able to cover from outside of both front lines, which, by the way, is the most dangerous way to cover a war, which is the way most of us covered Afghanistan. There were no front lines, they were all over the place. They were caves, they were mountains, they were cobbled, they were everything. But we really don't know from this latest adventure from the American military what this thing looked like and why perhaps we should never do it again. The other thing is that so many voices were silent in this war. We all know what happened to Susan Sarandon for speaking out, and her husband, and we all know that this is not the way Americans truly want to be. Free speech is a wonderful thing, it's what we fight for, but the minute it's unpalatable we fight against it for some reason.

That just seems to be a trend of late, and l am worried that it may be a reflection of what the news was and how the news coverage was coming across. This was a success, it was a charge it took only three weeks. We did wonderful things and we freed the Iraqi people, many of them by the way, who are quite thankless about this. There's got to be a reason for that. And the reason for it is because we don't have a very good image right now overseas, and a lot of Americans aren't quite sure why, given the fact that we sacrificed over a hundred soldiers to give them freedom.

<...>

All they know is that we're crusaders. All they know is that we're imperialists. All they know is that we want their oil. They don't know otherwise. And I'll tell you, a lot of the people I spoke with in Afghanistan had never heard of the Twin Towers and most of them couldn't recognize a picture of George Bush.

<...>

That will be a very interesting story to follow in the coming weeks and months, as to how this vacuum is filled and how we go about presenting a democracy to these people when -- if we give them democracy they probably will ask us to get out, which is exactly what many of them want.

<...>

As a journalist I'm often ostracized just for saying these messages, just for going on television and saying, "Here's what the leaders of Hezbullah are telling me and here's what the Lebanese are telling me and here's what the Syrians have said about Hezbullah. Here's what they have to say about the Golan Heights." Like it or lump it, don't shoot the messenger, but invariably the messenger gets shot.

We hired somebody on MSNBC recently named Michael Savage. Some of you may know his name already from his radio program. He was so taken aback by my dare to speak with Al -Aqsa Martyrs Brigade about why they do what they do, why they're prepared to sacrifice themselves for what they call a freedom fight and we call terrorism. He was so taken aback that he chose to label me as a slut on the air. And that's not all, as a porn star. And that's not all, as an accomplice to the murder of Jewish children. So these are the ramifications for simply being the messenger in the Arab world.

How can you discuss, how can you solve anything when attacks from a mere radio flak is what America hears on a regular basis, let alone at the government level? I mean, if this kind of attitude is prevailing, forget discussion, forget diplomacy, diplomacy is becoming a bad word.

<..>

When I said the war was over I kind of mean that in the sense that cards are being pulled from this famous deck now of the 55 most wanted, and they're sort of falling out of the deck as quickly as the numbers are falling off the rating chart for the cable news stations. We have plummeted into the basement in the last week. We went from millions of viewers to just a few hundred thousand in the course of a couple of days.

Did our broadcasting change? Did we get boring? Did we all a sudden lose our flair? Did we start using language that people didn't want to hear? No, I think you've just had enough. I think you've seen the story, you've' seen how it ended, it ended pretty well in most American's view; it's time to move on.

What's the next big story? Is it Laci Peterson? Because Laci Peterson got a whole lot more minutes' worth of coverage on the cable news channels in the last week than we'd have ever expected just a few days after a regime fell, like Saddam Hussein.

I don't want to suggest for a minute that we are shallow people, we Americans. At times we are, but I do think that the phenomenon of our attention deficit disorder when it comes to watching television news and watching stories and then just being finished with them, I think it might come from the saturation that you have nowadays. You cannot walk by an airport monitor, you can't walk by most televisions in offices these days, in the public, without it being on a cable news channel. And if you're not in front of a TV you're probably in front of your monitor, where there is Internet news available as well.

You have had more minutes of news on the Iraq war in just the three-week campaign than you likely ever got in the years and years of network news coverage of Vietnam. You were forced to wait for it till six o'clock every night and the likelihood that you got more than about eight minutes of coverage in that half hour show, you probably didn't get a whole lot more than that, and it was about two weeks old, some of that footage, having been shipped back. Now it's real time and it is blanketed to the extent that we could see this one arm of the advance, but not where the bullets landed.

But I think the saturation point is reached faster because you just get so much so fast, so absolutely in real time that it is time to move on. And that makes our job very difficult, because we tend to leave behind these vacuums that are left uncovered. When was the last time you saw a story about Afghanistan? It's only been a year, you know. Only since the major combat ended, you were still in Operation Anaconda in not much more than 11 or 12 months ago, and here we are not touching Afghanistan at all on cable news.

There was just a memorandum that came through saying we're closing the Kabul bureau. The Kabul bureau has only been staffed by one person for the last several months, Maria Fasal, she's Afghan and she wanted to be there, otherwise I don't think anyone would have taken that assignment. There's just been no allotment of TV minutes for Afghanistan.

And I am very concerned that the same thing is about to happen with Iraq, because we're going to have another Gary Condit, and we're going to have another Chandra Levy and we're going to have another Jon Benet, and we're going to have another Elizabeth Smart, and here we are in Laci Peterson, and these stories will dominate. They're easy to cover, they're cheap, they're fast, you don't have to send somebody overseas, you don't have to put them up in a hotel that's expensive overseas, and you don't have to set up satellite time overseas. Very cheap to cover domestic news. Domestic news is music news to directors' ears.

But is that what you need to know? Don't you need to know what our personality is overseas and what the ramifications of these campaigns are? Because we went to Iraq, according to the President, to make sure that we were going to be safe from weapons of mass destruction, that no one would attack us. Well, did everything all of a sudden change? The terror alert went down. All of a sudden everything seems to be better, but I can tell you from living over there, it's not.

<...>

There was a reporter in the New York Times a couple days ago at the Pentagon. It was a report on the ground in Iraq that the Americans were going to have four bases that they would continue to use possibly on a permanent basis inside Iraq, kind of in a star formation, the north, the south, Baghdad and out west. Nobody was able to actually say what these bases would be used for, whether it was forward operations, whether it was simple access, but it did speak volumes to the Arab world who said, "You see, we told you the Americans were coming for their imperialistic need. They needed a foothold, they needed to control something in central and west Asia to make sure that we all next door come into line."

And these reports about Syria, well, they may have been breezed over fairly quickly here, but they are ringing loud still over there. Syria's next. And then Lebanon. And look out lran.

So whether we think it's plausible or whether the government even has any designs like that, the Arabs all think it's happening and they think it's for religious purposes for the most part.

<...>

I think there were a lot of dissenting voices before this war about the horrors of war, but I'm very concerned about this three-week TV show and how it may have changed people's opinions. It was very sanitized.

It had a very brief respite from the sanitation when Terry Lloyd was killed, the ITN, and when David Bloom was killed and when Michael Kelley was killed. We all sort of sat back for a moment and realized, "God, this is ugly. This is hitting us at home now. This is hitting the noncombatants." But that went away quickly too.

This TV show that we just gave you was extraordinarily entertaining, and I really hope that the legacy that it leaves behind is not one that shows war as glorious, because there's nothing more dangerous than a democracy that thinks this is a glorious thing to do.

War is ugly and it's dangerous, and in this world the way we are discussed on the Arab street, it feeds and fuels their hatred and their desire to kill themselves to take out Americans. It's a dangerous thing to propagate.

<...>

There is another whole phenomenon that's come about from this war. Many talk about it as the Fox effect, the Fox news effect. I know everyone of you has watched it. It's not a dirty little secret. A lot of people describe Fox as having streamers and banners coming out of the television as you're watching it cover a war. But the Fox effect is very concerning to me.

I'm a journalist and I like to be able to tell the story as I see it, and I hate it when someone tells me I'm one-sided. It's the worst I can hear. Fox has taken so many viewers away from CNN and MSNBC because of their agenda and because of their targeting the market of cable news viewership, that I'm afraid there's not a really big place in cable for news. Cable is for entertainment, as it's turning out, but not news.

I'm hoping that I will have a future in news in cable, but not the way some cable news operators wrap themselves in the American flag and patriotism and go after a certain target demographic, which is very lucrative. You can already see the effects, you can already see the big hires on other networks, right wing hires to chase after this effect, and you can already see that flag waving in the corners of those cable news stations where they have exciting American music to go along with their war coverage.

Well, all of this has to do with what you've seen on Fox and its successes. So I do urge you to be very discerning as you continue to watch the development of cable news, and it is changing like lightning. Be very discerning because it behooves you like it never did before to watch with a grain of salt and to choose responsibly, and to demand what you should know.

That's it. I know that there's probably a couple questions. No one's allowed to ask about my hair color, okay? I'm kidding, if you want to ask you can. It's a pretty boring story. But I just wanted to say thank you, and let's all pray and hope in any way that you pray or hope for peace and for democracy around the world, and for more rain this summer in Manhattan. Thank you all.




She may have been hoping for a future in cable news, but you can't help but feel she knew she wouldn't after delivering those remarks.

Perhaps someone with more stature than Banfield could have gotten away with that speech and maybe it might have even been taken seriously, who knows? But the object lesson could not have been missed by any of the ambitious up and comers in the news business. If a TV journalist publicly spoke the truth anywhere about war, the news, even their competitors --- and Banfield spoke the truth in that speech --- their career was dead in the water. Even the girl hero of 9/11 (maybe especially the girl hero of 9/11) could not get away with breaking the CW code of omerta and she had to pay.

She's now a co-anchor on a Court TV show.

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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:10 AM
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1. She spoke for us....before it was the popular thing to do. She is an unsung Hero.
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 02:11 AM by Roxy66
Thank you Ashleigh, for having the courage to speak the truth, all along knowing you would probably loose you carreer over it. I wish you could come back and co-anchor with Keith sometime
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:55 AM
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26. Here's a pic
I agree. I'm writing Dan and Keith an email with the text of her speech.

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:05 PM
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35. Beautiful woman....
almost as pretty on the outside as on the inside.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:18 AM
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2. I posted this same thing day before yesterday.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:24 AM
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3. She is a very courageous woman
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:58 AM
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10. I'm glad it's getting re-posted... I wonder how much she wants to do at this point.
She got married a few years ago and now has 2 kids. That can take up a lot of time.

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datavg Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:22 PM
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72. I Remember...
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 11:23 PM by datavg
...Ashleigh Banfield from when I lived in Dallas, years ago. She's Canadian, a Queens University grad (the Canadian Cornell) and smart as a whip.

Ashleigh's problem is that she's too smart for television. She had the same problem in Dallas and it's why she didn't last there.

In another era, she would gravitate toward print journalism...except that now, we don't have it anymore.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 01:31 AM
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80. I'd say a book on the bestselling list is in her future.
What with a young family, and all. Rowlings (Harry Potter) did it!

Anyway, she is a brave, intelligent, lady. It's a terrible shame she was "let go" from MSNBC. Shame on MSNBC, that is.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:48 AM
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85. Welcome to DU!
Call her Cassandra, I suppose. I always liked her, and this is why. One of many who was trying to tell the truth and who brought a valuable mindset to this kind of coverage and this huge, conscience-rending crisis in the news business: are we news or are we whores?

And like many others, she was punished for speaking out. I hope she writes that book someday.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:20 PM
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44. Yah - why is this on people's brains again? Did something happen to refresh the memory?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:29 AM
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4. She is a "real" journalist.What shame she is wasted on Court TV.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:12 AM
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5. Congratulations to Ashleigh for fighting the good fight. nt
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:17 AM
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6. We wondered why Ashleigh Banfield suddenly

disappeared from MSNBC. We liked her, thought she was doing a good job overall, was a fresh face. Women have a hard time in tv journalism. Barbara Walters cornered the market decades ago, is still revered (or at least people claim to revere her) and I've never understood why people think she is so great.

So Michael Weiner Savage called Banfield "a slut" and "a porn star," why am I not surprised? He was always such a mean, nasty bastard that we avoided his show like the plague. He should never have another tv show.

Ashleigh should have another chance, not be sentenced to a lifetime with Nancy Grace.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:28 PM
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39. It was bizarre the way she was tossed in the dumpster
with no announcement to viewers. We had followed her programs from from September 11 to "Region in Conflict" to her reporting from her bus as it travelled the country. In a bit of "proof" of her forecast of irrelevance for cable news, one of her most relevant broadcasts (in which she was in Israel, interviewing both Israeli and Palestinian college students about their views on current happenings)was pre-empted in order to bring us the earth-shaking helicopter views of the arrest of Robert Blake. And MSNBC never showed that panel discussion, nevermind that the participants' opinions carried greater validity than that of any media pundit. But Banfield was wrong, in one respect: the appalling cable news mini-series that grew out of coverage of Jon Benet and Laci Peterson, etc., had roots, at least, in stories that were news. Even with her then-inside status, Banfield was unable to foresee "news" coverage sliding the rest of the way into pure sewage, gleefully treading the slime generated by Britney and Lindsey and Paris. Much as we love Keith, how many of us switch off the last ten minutes that are so often devoted to such meaningless garbage? That said, Banfield would be a terrific sidekick/backup for Olbermann. Sadly, that would require an apology to Banfield from TPTB at MSNBC, and I suspect that the good ole boys at the network are far too John Wayne for that to happen. Too bad for all of us.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:08 PM
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59. Jeez. I feel like crap.

I fell for the mainstream media's smear campaign against Ms. Banfield in the same way that most of America fell for the mainstream media's circle jerk in the lead-up to the war (of occupation.)

Dammit. I thought I was immune. Shit, shit, shit!
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:09 PM
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60. Welcome to DU, Iggo!
:toast:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:58 PM
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99. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

Don't worry...happens to the best of us! I've learned many truths on DU.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 05:16 AM
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84. Sometimes I just want to go back to

watching 30 minutes of nightly news on one of the commercial networks, but with Walter Cronkite, Eric Sevareid, Douglas Edwards, or Chet Huntley and David Brinkley.

You have to watch so much glurge to get any news on cable tv. I guess the downfall of cable news started with OJ in the white Bronco but maybe there was an earlier event I've forgotten.

I enjoy some of the Oddball segments on "Countdown," like elephants walking into a little restaurant somewhere in Asia, other amusing film. But if I never hear of Britney, Paris and Lindsay again it will be too soon.
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:43 PM
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51. Your Last Sentence would be a fate worse than death, all your brain cells would die, n/t
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:21 AM
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88. "Savage" fits so well doesnt it...
Ashleigh knew what was happening with the whole media thing and the war promoters at every network...at the same time we were all screaming it out. Thank you Ashleigh! I hope someone gets this thread to you, so you know you are still appreciated and a true hero.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:44 AM
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7. Why did it take us so long to figure out she was on our side?
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 05:44 AM by The Backlash Cometh
I remember everyone, including hardcore newscasters claiming she was fluff. And we believed it.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:52 PM
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32. Attractive women are NOT
allowed to be intelligent....they're only to be for sexual pleasure. Sexism is the last of the 'isms' to be overcome.

As the saying goes, 'I'd rather be pretty than smart cuz men see better than think.'

Pretty AND smart is a curse. It makes most males very, very uncomfortable.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:09 PM
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36. Not me...I'm one male that is married to a very
beautiful, and intelligent woman.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:28 PM
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47. Some men. Stupid, foolish, ignorant men.
A woman who's not afraid to be smart is a godsend.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:02 PM
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53. No way!
Pretty and smart is a homerun!! I will only go out with such women!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:59 PM
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100. It scares the crap out of them.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:35 AM
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8. Our Mission: Have Ashleigh re-hired as a sub for Keith Olbermann...
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 06:44 AM by farmbo
...with an eye for giving her her own MSNBC show in the 9:00 slot.

:shrug:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:03 AM
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14. great idea!
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:59 PM
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34. Screw that
Get rid of that Tucker Carlson weenie and give her his show.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:10 PM
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37. I'm down with that!! nt
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:53 PM
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would she come back to those who fired her ?
x(
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:27 AM
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89. OMG...that would be so great...His other fill-ins are O.K., but Ashleigh
would keep me from changing the channel because I know she would be sincere...I always feel like the other people that fill in are trying to be Keith like...and it doesnt work.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:43 AM
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9. got to keep those auto/petro advertisers happy and excited about GoP news
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 08:22 AM
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11. And How Much TV Coverage Did Her Speech Garner? Little That I Recall, And She Was Silenced....
If this country is ever going to regain the free flow of information that is the lifeblood of a functioning democracy we are going to have to 'reverse' the effects of the rightwing coup in taking over the MSM outlets.

We will have one difficult fight on our hands breaking up corporate monopolies and consolidations of media outlets, but it is absolutely essential. Otherwise, everything we do to try and restore democratic principles will be 'shouted down' by the MSM and public opinion will be poisoned against its own self interest.

So which Presidential Candidate will take on the MSM if elected President? It is a critical question.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 08:24 AM
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12. The ones who won't far outnumber those that will.
:(
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:40 PM
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30. I never heard of it, or her
and I am less than 3 hours away from Manhattan, Ks where the speech was made. Bush spoke there in 2006 and a major portion of his speech was reprinted in the local paper.
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Ravachol Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:33 PM
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49. I'd say that she was silenced...
or rather that it was possible to silence her BECAUSE her speech didn't garner much attention. Evidently, they made sure she didn't get any attention for that speech, not covering it all, etc. She was easy to remove: few people listened and, among these, a lot didn't have democracy's best interest in mind.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 08:49 AM
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13. Wow. That took guts. Thank you, Ashleigh. We've got to stand behind people like this.
We've got to make their stories known so that the zombies will wake up.

Great post. Keeping it kicked!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:07 AM
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15. Kneel Boortz


once told me to my face that a woman could never make it as a talk show host because women "cannot be controversial. It's against their nature."

But here is a "girl" telling everyone just how it is without guile, with principles, alone.

Her abilities or "nature" are not in question to me...





The mystery is why she was punished for using them.









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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:15 AM
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23. it's no mystery. there's a long history of women punished for speaking out.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:14 AM
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16. Too bad that she did more than her share touting the war during the run up.
I remember her smearing Scott Ridder and other moderate and reasoned voices during the neocon buildup to the Iraq invasion.

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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:37 AM
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18. Really? I'd be interested in seeing evidence of that. Got any links? n/t
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:04 AM
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20. I saw it with my own eyes. RW exerpt here..
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 10:14 AM by Mika
Don't have a lot of time to waste on this, but I found a RW blog that touches on, and congratulates her for, an interview she did w/Ritter during the build-up. There was a rash of outraged threads on DU about Banfield's use of the "some people say" swill when she tried to smear Ritter on being a traitor and on the child sex allegations against him.

http://bigsblog.blogspot.com/2002_09_08_bigsblog_archiv...
Ritter sashayed over to the UN for a hot date with Ashleigh Banfield(again, sorry, no transcript). She nailed him on a few points, and used the words "traitor" and "treason". Ritter then laid into her with a spittle punctuated diatribe about how he was an ex-marine, served in combat, yada yada yada. Of course, Benedict Arnold was a general who served in combat too. When she mentioned the Atrocity to him, and used the word treason, she looked like she could have pulled out a pistol and shot him right then and there. I have to say she showed quite a bit of testicular fortitude last night. Not bad, considering she is also MSNBC's eye candy.



Here's the date of that interview..

TONIGHT on MSNBC PRIMETIME
MSNBC Primetime
Thu, 12 Sep 2002
http://www.mail-archive.com/primetime@lists.msnbc.com/m...
ASHLEIGH BANFIELD: ON LOCATION
10PM - 11PM ET/ 7PM - 8PM PT
Tonight Ashleigh Banfield is on Location -- LIVE from the United Nations
Former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter joins Ashleigh.
Making his case on why it's a BIG mistake to force a showdown with Saddam.
Ashleigh Banfield on Location.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:50 AM
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21. She asked "tough" questions, that's what good reporters are supposed to do.
:shrug:
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 12:40 PM
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27. I'm sorry you "don't have time to waste on this", but when you say something this outrageous
you should be prepared to back it up.

First of all, I'm not going to take anything I hear from some RW blogger at face value. This guy was obviously having a wet dream about Ashleigh and heard what he wanted to hear.

Secondly, I can't find anything in the DU archives from 2002 on this rash of discussion then. Apparently the archives don't go back that far.

I didn't see the interview. I can't find any archives on it. I seriously doubt she would have "smear(ed) Ritter on being a traitor and on the child sex allegations". It's not her style. I know her and I've worked with her.

Some people around here mistake asking questions of someone the same as accusing them. They think if a journalist isn't throwing softball questions at a person they agree with, they're smearing him/her. It's a journalists job to ask questions, not be an advocate for the person they're interviewing. (Like Fox does for the RWers.) Asking a question about allegations serves to let them present their side.

I don't find any other evidence anywhere that Banfield "did more than her share touting the war during the run up." You have not made your case.

And then there is this, ONE WEEK LATER:

September 19, 2002
MSNBC's Ashleigh Banfield, introducing anti-war Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W. Va.): "This representative not only opposes attacking Saddam Hussein, he took his message all the way to Baghdad for three days from September 13th through the 16th to support Saddam Hussein and say give peace a chance."

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3062

Again, you have not made a case that she did "more than her share touting the war".


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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:25 PM
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66. Well, here is one person who remembers her as a Bush pusher.
I more or less dismissed her. I remember the disdain for MSNBC/NBC and no one made her an exception the way they do for Keith O.

In fact, they kind of poked fun at her.

I had no idea that she had said what I just read. I don't think I bothered to back up and read her or listen to her. I don't remember anyone praising her. I faintly remember DUers talking about her. There wasn't any reason for me to read details about a MSNBC/MNC employee - at the time.

It was a pleasure to read it now.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 01:44 AM
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82. Mika speaks the truth.
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 02:25 AM by ronnie624
Ashley Banfield did, in fact, blend right in with the rest of the MSNBC gang of 'journalists'. She was a part of the propaganda machine that manufactured support for the invasion of Iraq. I saw it with my own eyes as well.

That doesn't necessarily make her a bad person as far as I'm concerned. She and other journalists have no doubt been coerced into covering world events from a 'patriotic' angle, especially since 9/11.

Her eloquent speech indicates a person of intelligence, integrity and principle however, as does the fact that she no longer works as a 'journalist' for MSNBC. I get the impression that she strenuously resisted being forced into the role of a political propagandist. She also speaks truths that those who make decisions about the content of cable 'news', do not want to hear, which is doubtless, the reason she was fired.

Here, in bold, is a profound warning from her:


I'm hoping that I will have a future in news in cable, but not the way some cable news operators wrap themselves in the American flag and patriotism and go after a certain target demographic, which is very lucrative. You can already see the effects, you can already see the big hires on other networks, right wing hires to chase after this effect, and you can already see that flag waving in the corners of those cable news stations where they have exciting American music to go along with their war coverage.

Well, all of this has to do with what you've seen on Fox and its successes. So I do urge you to be very discerning as you continue to watch the development of cable news, and it is changing like lightning. Be very discerning because it behooves you like it never did before to watch with a grain of salt and to choose responsibly, and to demand what you should know.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:22 PM
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86. Ok, maybe I should have been more judicious. She did her fair share of touting the war.
Maybe not "more than..".


I'm very glad that she's written what she's written, now.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:14 AM
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22. this speech addresses exactly these pressures you mention -- and
i wouldn't be so quick to use an interview with SCOTT RITTER as evidence of war cheerleading. simply having him on the air was a big deal at that time -- and if she motivated her questions with RW rhetoric, all the better. it gave him the opportunity to speak the truth.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:16 AM
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17. & it's incredible, not that Savage WIENER has free speech, but that he has an audience!!1 n/t
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TBUSA Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:50 AM
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19. Where has the truth gone?
Banfield and others were silenced. How does that happen ? What are the mechanics?
Did a call come from the Military Industrial Complex? Dick ?
Just an after thought.. Why is her name coming out again? Could Dan Abrams or someone else be floating an ides? I xcan hope.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:07 PM
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54. I think Noam Chomsky and Ed Herman already...
...outlined the "mechanics" in Manufacturing Consent and Necessary Illusions. Take a peek, I think both are available online.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:16 AM
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24. K & R
:kick:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:27 AM
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25. Indeed, I remember. What a terrible injustice to truth we all witnessed.
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 11:29 AM by mzmolly
An amazing/brave reporter fired for telling "the truth." I also recall Peter Arnett and his being fired for speaking "the truth" as well. Now, MSNBC enjoys Keith Olbermann's ratings and suddenly it's "ok" to speak "the truth."

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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:38 AM
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90. Oh..Perter Arnett. I remember when he got in hot water, but I can't remember
what he said or did. I just remember Tweety treating him like shit on air afterwards. Anyone remember what happened?
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 12:58 PM
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28. Like the guy in Tienanmen Square. A lot of people who stood in front of the tank
got run over, and it's time our country owned up to the fact that many fell for what Banfield talks about: the glorification of war and the hiding the pain and suffering of it.

We hired somebody on MSNBC recently named Michael Savage. Some of you may know his name already from his radio program. He was so taken aback by my dare to speak with Al -Aqsa Martyrs Brigade about why they do what they do, why they're prepared to sacrifice themselves for what they call a freedom fight and we call terrorism. He was so taken aback that he chose to label me as a slut on the air. And that's not all, as a porn star. And that's not all, as an accomplice to the murder of Jewish children. So these are the ramifications for simply being the messenger in the Arab world.

We know the media - yes, including MSNBC of Keith Olbermann fame - sold this war. But the bigger question might be why were so many so willing to buy it?




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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:17 PM
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29. What a terrific speech...
...real truth-telling, so rare that when you come upon it. it's like a splash in the clear blue waters, an antidote for the groggy American public who had been repeatedly hit over the head with the bludgeon of war-mongering propaganda...


...and the negative reaction reminds me of a Sufi tale: A wanderer goes to sleep by the side of the road; sometime around midnight he awakens to find a man has picked him up and is holding him upside down, shaking him violently and pounding on his back. He struggles to get loose, when all of a sudden, the shaking and pounding on him causes a poisonous snake to eject itself from his mouth. The other man puts him down, and explains that he was just walking by that night, taking a midnight stroll by the light of the full moon, and he saw the snake go into the man's mouth, and did what he had to do to save his life...


...in the same way does a groggy American public try to shake off those who want us to live, who want to remove the poison from our system and the scales from our eyes. The code of omerta operates now at all levels of society, including how we are allowed to speak about our government policies and the Iraq war. There is an internal dialog (signaled when Ari Fleischer warned people to watch what they say) that equates things like support for the Iraq war to being a Good American. People either want to be Good Americans, or they are afraid of being perceived as Bad Americans, so they do indeed watch what they say and even what they think. They do not allow dissenting views to enter their minds...

...People like Ashleigh Banfield are like the good samaritan in the story, trying to shake us and pound us back into sensibility.

As for the rest of us, we must have faith that truth will win out in the long run, and work in whatever way we can to help make it happen.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:40 PM
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31. K&R. Thanks for posting this, I had no idea she had a brain. (nt)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:38 PM
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33. thank you Ash... K&R n/t
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:26 PM
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38. Thanks for posting, I never heard about this.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:51 PM
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40. Thanks for this Roxy.....I've always wondered what happened
to Ashleigh. Sounds like another Bushco casualty. I found her candor refreshingly honest, if not always politically correct. And I do remember her very brave live reporting from Ground Zero.

I think we just lost Alison Stewart on MSNBC? With the exception of Mika Brezinski and Chris Jansen (sorry spelling?) I cannot stand the daytime news shows anymore. It's like !!COPS!! and !!LOCKUP!! meets The View...argghhhh...and with less entertainment value of Reno 911.
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:09 PM
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41. She Was Stunning on 9-11.
I couldn't stop watching her!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:33 PM
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58. She was amazing that day
I remember watching just stunned at her courage and heart .

I'm a glasses wearer myself so I also loved her for that .

I wish she had Katie Couric's job . In fact she would be
an asset anywhere .
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:17 PM
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42. I owe her an apology
When MS. NBC launched the bus with a giant picture of her head painted on it, I lost interest.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 04:20 PM
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43. I'm gonna have to find this on YouTube...
Aside from being obviously smart, she's spanky-toy hot.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:05 PM
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45. What a sincerely fearless lady! She undoubtedly knew she was
a voice in the dark, ready to get darker. She deserves accolades and maybe that will finally come; we need to help her by promoting this speech. Compare her to Colin Powell who knew full well the ravages of war amd yet let this awful mess happen with his name pinned to it. Remember much larger names were pillioried and silenced (Rather and Donohue to name two.) Bill Moyers was fired by the right wing demogogues and the list goes on. She is another great lady in the manner of Sybil and Colleen. Someday they will be recognized...if there is any parity in the stars.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:26 PM
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46. Well then, let's every fucking one of us contact Olberman, Wes Clark
and any other decent journalist working at MSNBC and let them know that they need to expend some of their newfound "political capital" @ the network to see that this woman is back on air and compensated for their mistreatment.

That's what I intend to do.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:31 PM
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48. I remember her! I LIKED her!
I stopped watching the tv news right about that time because of all the shit she was talking about. What a brave soul.

Kicked, Kicked and recommended.

:kick:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:37 PM
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50. recommending -- because we need reminding after petraeus.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 05:55 PM
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52. "You could always carry Ashleigh Banfield's baggage." was the reply to a right-wing nut...
when he complained that it was not possible to get into Afghanistan/Iraq to find out what was really going on. The line was telling for handing great kudos to Ms. Banfield for her tenacity, while refuting every ring-wing claim that it is not knowable due to closed, repressive Islamic traditions therefore we must act blindly (they live in a bubble and they're proud of it), but that was years ago now...

Ashleigh Banfield Rocks!! :headbang: :yourock:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:10 PM
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55. Randi Rhodes has said just about the same thing - she says that Fox was taken to court and they won
Randi read the court transcript on the air about a week ago. Fox is tool of the right wing maniacs! :argh:
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:13 PM
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56. Thank you!
for reminding us about Ashleigh.
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:18 PM
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57. MSM is pure corporate propaganda...
Americans who listen to the MSM are corporate stooges.
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footinmouth Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 08:08 PM
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61. Thank you for posting this
I have been wondering whatever happened to her. I was a fan.
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onetinsoldier Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:53 PM
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63. ashley
i thought she was great,i actually pointed her out on tv to female members of my family,she always got my attention,she had a very winning combination of courage,brains,looks,high energy and natural curiosity,just (in my view) the right amount of pushiness,its probably what did her in,she reminded me of the character played by diane keaton in reds
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 01:12 AM
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79. I think she's essentially been blacklisted
She is pregnant and, bizarrely, hosts this weird little tabloid show on Court TV called "celebrity heat" which is kind of an "entertainment tonight" type show. Court TV seems to like strong liberal women, Katherine Crier's commentary on there every day is just about the most liberal tv in existence right now.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 09:50 PM
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62. I missed her reporting.............
I remember her going to Tora Bora looking for the missing Osama and the old embassy. Shame on MSNBC.
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chasitynola Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:11 PM
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64. I have to say,
it amazes me that people find it so hard to try and put themselves into the shoes of a person living in the Middle East. Why is it so difficult to understand the hardship of the people overseas? I was in Manhatten for September 11 (and I lived through Katrina, my luck never ceases!), and all I felt at first was anger for all of the death. Once I was able to "escape" the island, get home and think about it, I could not see returning this attack with uncontrolled violence. 9/11 was an incredibly painful time for all of us in America. But I kept coming back to the facts that we have inflicted many times more damage and hardship upon many different countries than this one attack. I just don't understand why our losses in Manhattan could mean more than all of the other lives that we have jeopardized and destroyed in our very short history.

This certainly does not justify what was done, Heavens no!, but every human life is precious and should not be wasted. My brother-in-law is a US Marshal that has served 2 tours in Iraq. Even he is tired of the endless waste of life. He promised his wife that he would not return because the Iraqi people were so loving, giving and patient that he could not stand to see their suffering. He kept trying to train the Iraqi's to help them fend for themselves, but their brethren kept blowing them up! Round and round they go...

We had a tragedy befall us on 9/11. It makes no sense to keep destroying innocent lives for retribution. Country after country is not safe from our open-ended invasion of Arab life. I know that there is a very good chance I would feel the same as a lot of Arab families do about our country if the shoe was on the other foot. It would be inevitable. They don't hate us because of our freedoms, they may hate us because of the people we have to step on in order to facilitate our gas guzzling, over-eating, locust-like ways of life. We are not the only people on this Earth.

BTW, my first post! I am excited to be part of the DU crowd!!
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:28 PM
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73. welcome to DU! n/t
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:42 PM
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74. Welcome to DU...nice post and first of many!
:bounce:
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:52 AM
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91. Welcome! Wonderful first post.....
I hope your brother-in-law stays well and safe...Your words are so close to my heart. Thank you for posting.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 04:05 AM
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93. Slam-bang inaugural post.
Welcome.

If you don't post regularly, I'm just going to freak all the way out.

ALL the way. Wooga booga.

See? Terrifying.

:)

Welcome aboard. Brilliant start.

More please.

:toast:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:04 PM
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101. Welcome to DU!!
:hi:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:14 PM
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65. She's a craven opportunist
Whichever way the wind blows, there's Banfield.

Remember, in order to give herself more of that "I was there" credibility, she sprinkled herself with dust and debris from the WTC fallout.

She's a fake and a liar.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:29 PM
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67. Bullshit.
She didn't sprinkle herself with dust. What an ignorant-ass thing to say.
Are you aware that she actually saved the life of an NYPD officer when that building came down?

>>>snip
On September 11, 2001, Ashleigh Banfield was reporting from the streets of Manhattan, where she was nearly suffocated from the debris cloud from the collapsing World Trade Center. Banfield continued reporting, even as she rescued a NYPD officer, and with him, fled to safety into a streetside shop.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/truths-consequen...
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:55 PM
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95. That's Not an Opportunistic Speech Text
That's the speech of someone who's going out of the way to make sure the door will hit their ass on the way out.

I'm guessing she was pissed enough by the Savage stuff to not give a fuck if she got canned or not.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:43 PM
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68. What a great speech!
The one thing I don't understand is how Keith gets away with it. Some of his speeches are every bit as anti-establishment as hers, and yet he stays on.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:06 PM
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71. Timing is everything.
She said it when speaking out against this administration was tantamount to treason.
She was effectively "Dixie-Chicked".
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:33 AM
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77. It is a matter of timing
KO would never have gotten away with his comments when the MSM was in the cheer-leading mode during Shock and Awe days.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:54 AM
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92. He was long after the fact...she hit toward the beginning.
It was his first special comment that really got things going, but that was right before the election.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 10:47 PM
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69. K&R.(nt)
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:04 PM
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70. It will take people like her
to stand up and call BULLLSIT to all that's gone on since 1/01. She's fortunate to have any presence on TV at all.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:22 AM
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75. Thanks for that. I, too, wondered where she went.
Maybe she could ease back onto MSNBC by being Keith's back-up, since they both tell the truth, unlike so many other anchors.

I also thought she was hot! :blush:
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:29 AM
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76. Thanks Roxy66
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 12:29 AM by Doc Martin
I had dismissed her, based only on appearances, shortly after seeing her on MSNBC.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 12:54 AM
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78. thanks for posting this
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 12:57 AM by frogcycle
I had never heard of it.
I liked her a lot, wondered what became of her.

I think she deserves an award for that speech.

Oh - how about that! She was just awarded an Algae Award!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 01:32 AM
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81. Saved for presentation at a later date - thank you for this. n/t
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 01:58 AM
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83. I have always admired Ashleigh Banfield
She is a woman of true courage, no one in New York will forget the bravery she displayed on 9/11. She also had the courage to speak up when it wasn't popular.

They say timing is everything, and the worst that can be said of Ashleigh Banfield, is that her timing was off, she did indeed pave the way for Keith O and some "free speech" on MSNBC. Wish they would reconsider and hire her to replace Tucker.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 01:39 AM
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87. Kick. (nt)
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:33 PM
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94. kick
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:57 PM
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96. Did something happen to bring this to the forefront of your memory?
I recall enjoying Digby's piece 6mos or so ago. Did something happen to recall this?
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mtowngman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:41 PM
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97. I love Ashleigh, last time I saw her was on Bill Maher a year or two ago n/t
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:55 PM
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98. Does anyone have a link to the whole speech?
I'm assuming "<...>" means snip?

I've always been a big fan of hers - as a matter of fact, on 9/11 and the subsequent days I only watched msnbc because I felt I was getting the real story from her and I felt her bravery in standing there on the corner, as close to Ground Zero as she could legally get, reporting when others were staying comfortably in the studio was appropriate and somehow representative of New Yorkers that day. She reminded me of the old-school reporters, those who did whatever needed to be done, including putting their own lives on the line. She showed stories and people that others ignored, she highlighted the individual responses to the attack and she was there. I remember her in Afghanistan, getting interviews that no one else could of its citizens, standing in a place where she was literally yards away from bullets flying around. I knew that some were making fun of her, but I never got that - I always felt she was a bit misunderstood.

I'm sorry that she's on Court TV now - nothing against CTV, but she's much better than that. Perhaps KO should make her a reporter on his show - if she could stomach msnbc again, that is.

I wish her the best in the future.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:11 PM
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102. I found the link - and an interesting comment from NBC spokesperson - more B.S.:
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 10:12 PM by AZBlue
http://www.alternet.org/story/15778

"Her comments sparked a media controversy which reportedly prompted her NBC employers to severely reprimand Banfield. While she has not commented on the issue, an NBC spokeswoman told reporters Monday, 'She and we both agreed that she didn't intend to demean the work of her colleagues, and she will choose her words more carefully in the future.'"

This was written on 4/29/2003, so she was still an employee at that time. But, I love how NBC tried to spin this as her belittling her colleagues - what a load of hogwash!
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:27 AM
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103. Direct link to video...
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:41 AM
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104. I'm watching the speech now...and she is so well spoken.
She shows no fear while she speaks....this, during a time when it was "Anti-American" to speak out. A must see video!
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