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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:29 PM
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Business 101 Cringley on Steve Jobs and iPhone pricing
I admire Jobs for his vision and his business savvy. I don't know if I would like him as a person.

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070906_002891.html

This week’s iPhone pricing story, in which Apple punished its most loyal users by dropping the price of an 8-gig iPhone from $599 to $399 less than three months after the product’s introduction, is classic Steve Jobs. It wasn’t an accident. It wasn’t a thoughtless mistake. It was a calculated and tightly scripted exercise in marketing and ego gratification. In the mind of Steve Jobs the entire incident had no downside, none at all, which is yet another reason why he is not like you or me.

Let’s deconstruct the incident. Apple announced a variety of new and kinda-new iPods dominated by the iPod Touch (iPhone minus the phone) and an iPod Nano with video (great for watching miniseries). At the very end of the presentation, Jobs announced the iPhone price cut. Why did he wait until the very end? Because he knew the news would be disruptive and might have obscured his presentation of the new products. He KNEW there was going to be controversy. So much for the “Steve is simply out of touch with the world” theory.

So why did he do it? Why did he cut the price? I have no inside information here, but it seems pretty obvious to me: Apple introduced the iPhone at $599 to milk the early adopters and somewhat limit demand then dropped the price to $399 (the REAL price) to stimulate demand now that the product is a critical success and relatively bug-free. At least 500,000 iPhones went out at the old price, which means Apple made $100 million in extra profit.

Had nobody complained, Apple would have left it at that. But Jobs expected complaints and had an answer waiting — the $100 Apple store credit. This was no knee-jerk reaction, either. It was already there just waiting if needed. Apple keeps an undeserved $50 million and customers get $50 million back. Or do they? Some customers will never use their store credit. Those who do use it will nearly all buy something that costs more than $100. And, most importantly, those who bought their iPhones at an AT&T store will have to make what might be their first of many visits to an Apple Store. That is alone worth the $50 per customer this escapade will eventually cost Apple, taking into account unused credits and Apple Store wholesale costs.


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If they hadn't priced it high at first, there would have been no way they could have kept up with demand. And yes, he did exploit those who wanted to get their hands on the new iPhone. To some being first is worth the $100 they dropped. That's a dinner for two at a top rated restaurant or a day at the ball park. Chump change. And yes, the ones that use the $100 credit will buy more. It's worth the money to Apple just to get them in the front door.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:36 PM
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1. They once dropped prices on several computer models $1000 in a day
Standard practice for Apple.

The price for being 'cool' I guess.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:42 PM
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4. Sure. Everyone that lined up to buy, knew that soon there will be
a new feature or lower price coming down the pike. They know the industry and how quickly something become obsolete. It's the nature of the beast. They also know what they have will be useful for many years and will be much more than it is today.
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beberocks Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:41 PM
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2. Here's my take on it--IPhone wasn't living up its expectations
Lots of grumbling because it is the older format--2g versus a 3g phone. I think the price drop is so Apple can move its inventory of 2g phones to get ready for the 3g phones to come out shortly (IMO). I'm not an Apple fan but I own a stock called IDCC that (rumor has it) just signed a license with Apple to let Apple use its 3g patents.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:05 PM
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10. Does 3g have enough coverage in the US to justify that? the iPhone is
the fastest selling smart phone on the market. That's not shabby.

the 3g might roll out overseas first if coverage is not sufficient in the US by then.

Here's ATT's 3g coverage. Is this enough?
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/popUp_3g.html
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:49 PM
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18. They might be rolling a 3g out in Europe first. Look here
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:41 PM
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3. great analysis but jobs price cut more simple
he was not going to make his end of september 1 million phones sold number because the totals I"ve groked from trechnes is less thank600K total phones sold.

the price was exorbitant then and 399 stimulates demand enough that he not look like an ass for the hype he generated to his wallstreet watchers.

bottom line the iphone, ipod and mac are all one day loss leaders (false carrots on the hook) for job's content revenues, but he doesn't understand that now, cause he's giving away ringtones, an industry that at AT&T accounted for the highest percentage of their multimillions of dollars content revenues.

no jobs, is smart but he's not that smart. selling boxes will always be harder than selling the soft good of digital entertainment, because a $.99 item such as a song is 10X more accessible than a $399.00 item.

yes he screwed early customers but we all know to wait 6 months and to never be the early adopter the same way we know cars lose 50% of their value the minute you drive them off the lot.

buyers beware ....

my prediction is that Jobs will introduce a nano sized iphone sometime next year and this will be less than $200.

i will wait till then to own an iphone personally.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:50 PM
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5. There's been a rumor about an iPhone "Nano" for a while, but with only the
phone and iPod and no touch screen (clickwheel only). I'd rather have my iPhone. (And I got $200 back from my local AT&T store, too!)
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:51 PM
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6. Me too. That's why I'm buying one tonight.
I wasn't going to - butthe price drop coincided with my birthday and I could no longer resist.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:18 PM
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8. Happy Birthday, Joe!
And you're going to LOVE the phone. I've never loved using the phone before!
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:53 PM
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9. how did you get money back?
i wanna know!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:33 PM
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11. I bought it 10 days ago, so I'm in the grace period. I just walked into the AT&T
store where I bought it (with my receipt, of course), and they gave me a $200 refund, no questions asked.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:41 AM
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17. A 14 day grace period is what they are giving.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:29 PM
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24. Apple just announce 1 millions sales. 1 million sold in 74 days.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:15 PM
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7. "undeserved $100" - Yeah, right
No one forced anyone to buy the iphone at 500 or 600. No one. Early adopters always pay high. When the Moto Razr was first introduced it was also $600.

People buy computers ALL THE TIME and pay different amounts, and the price usually is lower a month or two later. All companies do it.


Frickin' whiners. Perhaps he should complain about airline ticket pricing " Delta got an undeserved $$$ from me 'cause they lowered their ticket proces 1 day after I bought mine" Wahhhh
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:27 PM
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12. In other words:
"Life is unfair."
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:21 AM
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14. Noooooo!
I will never love again!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:36 AM
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15. Cheap booze is a good substitute.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:14 AM
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13. no surprise
I have purchased Apple products since 1987...

I know, from experience, that I should never buy a first generation product.

Not that I listen to this self given advice 100% of the time....

BUT - I knew that the price of the iPhone would drop before Christmas - I was a little surprised the drop happened in September but, that said...

Apple releases a new product, waits.... drops its price.... waits....Next generation comes out... repeat... rinse...wash

(reprise)

Chorus

It is their SOP
(standard operating procedure)

The product is excellent.

I get what I pay for.

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:31 AM
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16. Apple had to do this to spur sales in this economy.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:50 PM
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19. You know, that article makes a lot of sense to me.
I can easily believe that it happened exactly
that way, and for those reasons.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:46 PM
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20. He's been following Apple for a long time. He used to have an
Apple meter that showed the state of the company. It was nearly down to the core, then Jobs came back. It started to be restored, and finally that meter was retired.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:39 PM
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21. Oh, THAT guy! I believe I've seen some of his work before.
I'm terribly bad a remembering names, but your
mention of his Apple-meter rang a bell.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:24 PM
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22. He did the movie "Triumph of the Nerds", a history of the computer
industry. Required watching.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:28 PM
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23. Commentary from The Register. from the UK.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/07/apple_ipod_touch_coup/

His opinion is that it is the new iPod that is important, not the iPhone.
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