Here we Go: Deadliest Bomb in Iraq Is Made by Iran, U.S. Says

[spanone]

Here We Go Again Folks.....NYTimes reporting:

~~snip~~ WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 — The most lethal weapon directed against American troops in Iraq is an explosive-packed cylinder that United States intelligence asserts is being supplied by Iran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/10/world/middleeast/10weapons.html?ei=5094&en=e9a9ae56cb1df98a&hp=&ex=1171170000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

[bullimiami]

1. We should all assume its another lie until they prove it.

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2. It's sad that we have to assume our Government is lying to us. But I do assume they are lying.

[bullimiami]

19. I guess its well past assumptions. We KNOW they are lying to us.

[Bonhomme Richard]

3. Bottom line is I wouldn't trust their proof no matter.................

what they showed the nation. Maybe, maybe, when I see the Iranians rowing their boats up on the beach in New Jersey I might, might, believe them. These people are out and out liars of the worst kind with absolutely zero moral compass.

[sodenoue]

4. everything so far has been lies. why believe them now?

If you take the figurative inverse of whatever bush or cheney says or does, you arrive at the truth

[spanone]

6. 'They' are laying a foundation. These articles will appear over & over.

With the aid of our compliant media, ala nytimes (you think they'd be a little cynical), this will become the mainstream mediatalk.

[rocktivity]

5. Do you suppose they've forgotten that four years ago this very week

Colin Powell served up cooked Iraqi intelligence?

Why do the sources not give their names it this is now "official?" And why is the article quoting lines from "still-classifed reports?"

:boring:
rocknation

[sce56]

9. Umm did you mean four YEARS ago? nt

[rocktivity]

15. Yes. Four MONTHS ago this very week

a Green Zone ammo dump was ignited by mortar fire.

:blush:
rocknation

[Canuckistanian]

7. I hear Iranians are all over 7 feet tall and have fangs

And they're plotting to invade Main Street, USA to devour our children. Or even worse, bring Godless communism to America.

Or something.

[jpak]

13. IRAN WANTS WOMEN!!!!!11111

:D

[A Simple Game]

16. This is how rumors get started, shame on you. Iranians don't

devour children, they just suck the blood out of them.

Gosh, I thought everyone knew that!

[lectrobyte]

8. Somewhere, Osama must be laughing his ass off, since we seem to be

moving right along towards his goals...

This was written a few years ago, but seems as insightful on the "war on terror" as anything I've read, and is very concise, worth the read if you haven't seen it before. Emphasis mine.

http://www.gurus.com/dougdeb/politics/TS101.html

Currently, the Iraq and Afghan Wars together are costing the US something like $60-80 billion a year. That’s a nasty load and is one reason why our national debt is sky-rocketing, but it is still within the long-term carrying capacity of the American economy. However, this level of effort is not getting the job done in either country. More American troops and American money will ultimately be needed, particularly if Bin Laden can continue to strip away our allies. If he really wants to destroy the American economy, though, Bin Laden has to widen the war into additional Middle Eastern countries.

[Amonester]

11. And don't forget how much more profits the bin Laden family will...

reap in for years and years to come (until the end of almost all living species on this fragile planet if this endless-war profiteering isn't stopped and all war criminals R jailed for good).

[Botany]

10. Iraq Study Group report

Most attacks on Americans are by Sunnis who get their backing from "private parties"
in Saudi Arabia.

[SOS]

12. By Michael "Aluminum Tubes" Gordon

Gordon and Judy Miller are seasoned fabricators.
How convenient of Iran to mark the IEDs with serial numbers!

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17. Does give one pause....I just can't believe they are doing THIS again.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. The irony is that the editorial of today was entitled Build -A- War Workshop

And here they go cooperating with the same old same old.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=172198&mesg_id=172198

[Strelnikov_]

18. "Last three months of 2006 . . weapons accounted for significant portion of Americans killed"

In the last three months of 2006, attacks using the weapons accounted for a significant portion of Americans killed and wounded in Iraq, though less than a quarter of the total, military officials say.

Considering that the article goes on to note that there is no evidence these weapons are being supplied to the Sunni insurgency, the above statement would appear to be outright propaganda.

I mean, what the hell does "significant portion of Americans killed and wounded in Iraq, though less than a quarter of the total" mean if not outright propaganda?

Unless my understanding of "significant portion" is different than the NYT.

Per Juan Cole:

Thursday, February 01, 2007
http://www.juancole.com/

The US announced the killing of 4 US troops on Wednesday. Note that they were killed "north of Baghdad" and "west of Baghdad," i.e. in Sunni Arab areas. Such announcements almost never say the US troops were killed in Shiite areas, such as might be getting Iranian military aid. I conclude that the real problems facing US troops in Iraq are not with Iran, and the innuendoes of officials such as Burns are disingenuous.

There are some reasons to think that the kidnappers at Karbala may have been Sunnis.

. . .


If they had been Iranians why not head east to Kut and thence to Shiite East Baghdad or on to Iran?

The one piece of the puzzle that doesn't fit is that clearly someone on the inside gave them info about the meeting in Karbala. But the Iraqi military had that info and is full of Sunnis, many of whom are double agents

I don't actually know of any incidents in which Shiite guerrillas in Shiite areas deployed shaped charges to kill American troops. The US casualties I see in the wire services are all in Sunni areas. There are British casualties in the deep south at the hand of Shiites, but those Shiites are anti-Iranian ones like the Garamsha Marsh Arab tribe or the Sadrist splinter group of Mahmoud Hasani al-Sarkhi (which burned down the Iranian consulate in Basra).