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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 05:50 PM
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Justice Delayed is Justice Denied
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land …" -- Article VI of the Constitution of the United States

Alberto Gonzales is a thief. In fact, he is one of the worst thieves in this nation’s history. He was among the gang of criminals who has been seeking to steal the United States Constitution from you and me. Thus, while it was good to see him resign in disgrace today, it is extremely important that the Congress not allow this to be the end of their investigations of his abuses of the office of Attorney General.

The US Attorney General’s office was created by the Judiciary Act of 1789. This was one of the most significant actions taken by Congress. Along with the creation of one of the earliest and most important cabinet positions, the act defined the federal judicial system. Until then, there were questions about how the federal court system would work. These questions involved issues such as the idea of a unified federal court system (the British model was divided in three parts), and about if federal courts could impose dictatorial control similar to what the 13 Colonies had fought against.

The 1789 Act brought about the Supreme Court’s famous Marbury v. Madison decision in 1803. Through one of the most intense periods of our nation’s history, some of the most gifted leaders struggled to find the correct balance of powers for the country to transform from a republic to the promise of a Constitutional democracy. "I have never been able to see," James Madison noted in 1832, on the 1789 Judiciary Act, how "the Constitution itself could have been the supreme law of the land; or that the uniformity of Federal authority throughout the parts to it could be preserved; or that without the uniformity, anarchy and disunion could be prevented."

The Department of Justice was tasked with representing the federal government in all of the federal courts; with prosecuting those who violated federal law; with protecting the nation from internal subversion; and with providing legal advice for the executive branch, including the White House.

For much of its early history, the Department of Justice concentrated on issues such as tax evasion and antitrust cases. In 1908, the Federal Bureau of Investigation was created, to serve as the primary investigative tool for monitoring the threats posed by subversive elements in the US.

In 1940, Congress gave the Department of Justice control of the Immigration and Naturalization Services. This was as a result of the "Red Scare," from the WW1 to Eisenhower years. James Carroll’s "House of War" provides a fascinating review of this period in our nation’s history.

Starting in 1961, the Department of Justice began a dramatic transformation. Starting with President John Kennedy and Attorney General Robert Kennedy, the department expanded its mission when it became invested in civil rights reforms. President Lyndon Johnson continued the progressive themes of the DoJ Civil Rights Division, when he pressed to have violations of the 1964 Voting Rights Act prosecuted. The 1968 Fair Housing Act, the 1974 Equal Educational Opportunities Act, and the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act all continued to make the Department of Justice represent the needs of all Americans, no matter which political party was in office at the time.

Certainly, the Department of Justice has never been perfect. There were gross violations of the law during the J. Edgar Hoover years. The problems were as real as the other scandals that threatened our form of government. There was John Mitchell in the Nixon/Watergate era. There was Ed Meese in the Reagan/ Iran-Contra era.

Even in those dangerous times, the Department of Justice was recognized as having the authority to name special prosecutors to investigate cases involving suspected crimes by members of the executive branch. The 1978 Ethics in Government Act was in recognition of the need for an office of independent counsel, and to outline the steps the Attorney General should take in cases of suspected executive branch malfeasance.

As the nation discovered during the Plame scandal investigation, the more recent congressional reauthorization destroyed the concept of an independent counsel with broad discretion to protect the interests of citizens such as you and I. Yet the errors and the purposeful abuses from the pre-2001 years pale in comparison to what has taken place under the Bush-Cheney administration.

Alberto Gonzales has participated in some of the most serious crimes against the United States Constitution, actions that threaten our form of government. His resigning in disgrace is not enough. If a banker embezzled a million dollars, his simply resigning his position would not be considered the end of the problem. The police would continue to investigate; the DA would prosecute; and the court would sentence him. In this case, Alberto has done things far, far worse than embezzling a small fortune. He has attempted to steal our national treasure.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 05:53 PM
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1. K & R, my friend!!! n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 05:54 PM
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2. Thank you.
Much appreciated.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:05 PM
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3. Good Essay
I would still love to see them all frogmarched into orange jumpsuits but wonder what the chances are. So far, they've pretty well gamed justice. However there is one thing that gives me comfort, even thought I may not know about it or, see it, I believe justice in some form will prevail. I believe "the arm of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice'.

Anything could happen, for life plays funny jokes on people. For all I know all these criminals could lose all their money and end up homeless, without pensions or healthcare.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:00 PM
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8. It is essential
that the congress continues to investigate his actions in the DoJ.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:37 PM
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4. The men who created this country knew it's value.
And they wanted to protect it.

You paint a perspective. Those framers must have sat in bars and in houses, and thought long about how to create and preserve just such an environment. Surprisingly it has survived for some years. Finally we are facing another serious threat. We are the new Framers. This is our pub. And it's just as serious.

I cannot believe that those who hold national office would not see this for what it is. We are the people. And we are not alone. We are represented. Sometimes it doesn't look that way. This is our opportunity to keep this Democracy alive. For those who seek comfort, ultimately there is no greater than the protection provided by good rule of law.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:51 PM
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6. It seems like such
an extreme difference in the quality of people it took to create the Constitution, versus the fools that it takes to destroy it.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:53 PM
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7. It's Always Easier To Destroy
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 07:23 PM by Me.
Than create
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:49 PM
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20. Or to steal rather than earn.
It seems to me that the Constitution needs adjustments. This administration has circumvented the intentions of it. We would need a huge majority in order to do that. But I believe we are now seeing it's shortcomings. Something related to corporate ownership, I think. Several facets of which are causing great trauma to America.

It's time for a constitutional convention. That is, if we value the concept of America.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:22 PM
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22. I Agree With Your Sentiment
But worry about the group we have in Congress changing anything about the Constitution. We wouldn't have many of these problems if they had followed it and, the law in the first place. They could have fought back and they didn't. They certainly didn't avail themselves of the procedural opportunities the repunlicons have. Why didn't someone put a secret hold on the Patriot Act or any of the other nasties the admin came up with. Why haven't Rove, Miers and Gone-zo been hauled into court? Why is IMPEACHMENT off the table?
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:05 PM
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36. Because our rascals figure on making use of their rascal's changes.
However you'd think the Democratic party would have figured it out by now.

  • Their rascals fuck the nation over nine ways from Sunday.
  • Eventually the nation wakes up to what's being done to it and vote those rascals out.
  • Our rascals move in, and spend most of their time fixing what got broke, but doing virtually nothing to prevent that breaking from being repeated next time around.
  • Our rascals see a few things they can make use off and don't "fix" them at all.
  • Our rascals "concentrate on governing not retribution".
  • Our rascals make the hard, unpopular decisions necessary to dig the US out of the hole their rascals dug it into and pay the political price for it. By contrast their rascals make their "reforms" sound bloody marvelous and by the time the US wakes up to the reality of those reforms, people have forgotten who did what and with which to whom, and are willing to accept their rascal's explanation that anything which went wrong was actually our rascals fault.

It would be nice to think that our rascals are just honest and naive. But the evidence does not bear that out. This pattern of "dueling political parties" has been going on since WWII at least. And despite numerous mechanisms available to them, our rascals never actually seem to do anything to call their rascals to task, even when such a calling to task is an absolute legal obligation. And further, despite numerous opportunities to do so, our rascals never seem to get around to properly plugging up legal loopholes that allow non-governmental rascals to do their thing with a good deal of impunity.

Our rascals might well "Talk the talk" but for the most part they only "ape the walk". They give the illusion of reform, by giving us back most of what was previously taken from us, but the keyword is "most", some "freedoms" are not returned, or become so hedged with restrictions that they become to all intents and purposes "revocable privileges" and new freedoms do not necessarily compensate. It is all well and good, that under the lash of public pressure women, blacks, gays and whatevers have been afforded the same freedoms as anyone else. What is not so good, is that the level of freedom they rose to is not the level of freedom that we "already privileged" once enjoyed.



In an ideal world working slowly and steadily to the common good, maximises the return and minimises losses to all. In the real world, the unprincipled know that a cycle of boom and bust maximises the absolute return that any individual can realise.


From where I stand. I don't see two waring ideologies. I see two parties in collusion, both working for the same corporate masters and each publicly working their assigned roles of massaging the boom and bringing about the bust on schedule. And the American public blindly plays along with it's voting habits.

And IMHO most of America's problems come down to the unconscionable level of greed and selfishness in the American populace and the way you rub that greed in the faces of the rest of the world. Even the most "innocent" of you do it without thinking about it with purchases dictated by fashion and appearance rather than need or utility; Affordability comes ahead of quality, morality and/or negative impacts; America wants America takes. And all too often this attitude is reflected in your tourists.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:36 AM
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24. The thing that most concerns me isn't Gonzalez or Bush.
But the many career scofflaws that this regime was able to recruit to carry out its agenda.

How do these people get made? Where do they come from? Is there something in our culture that produces them? That concerns me. Not this petty crook.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:29 AM
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23. Well said.
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 12:36 AM by bleever
And when anyone speaks about this resolve and inspiration and strength, and says "men", we know that it doesn't refer just to the males, but to the backbone and muscle and love and inspiration that women have always provided, and without whom it wouldn't have been possible.


In some ways, the men had it easier.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:41 PM
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5. K&R and a big Thank You!
Spot on, as always, H2OMan!

Bake
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:02 PM
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9. Thank you.
As bad as the media spin is -- attempting to make this look like a good thing for republicans in general, and the administration in particular -- it would be worse if the democrats consider Gonzales to be water under the bridge.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:03 PM
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10. K & R
Wonderful post. Thank-you H2O Man :hug:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:07 PM
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11. Thank you.
I have two relatives who had careers in the Department of Justice. They served under both democratic and republican administrations. They put the good of this country first.

The actions of Alberto Gonzales are an insult to every honest DoJ employee.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:10 PM
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12. I want justice, and yesterday. - n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:12 PM
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13. John Dean concurs
He's on KO right now.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:14 PM
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14. I'll have to see
the rerun later tonight .... though it would be great to have a friend provide details of what Mr. Dean is saying. (grin)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:26 PM
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15. In summary he said Conyers and Leahy will continue
the investigations as there is precedence for this.

I too will be watching the repeat, as I was busy ready your OP :D
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:42 PM
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16. Good.
I'm looking forward to seeing it later tonight! Thanks!
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 08:07 PM
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17. Gonzales and Condi and the
rest have been riding high on their positions. But surely that is not enough.



Nemesis

Beneath your unceasing, traceless orbit
is spun the grey fortune of man
and unnoticed you walk in his tracks,
you bend the neck that is proud
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 08:13 PM
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18. Thank you for putting it in just the right words.
There's going to be a big push-back with the theme that continuing to investigate Gonzales (or Rove, or Cheney, or McNulty, or Schlozman, or Doan, etc.) must be pure "partisan politics" with the Democrats determined to score "political points" instead of doing the people's business.

Your embezzling banker is a perfect response to that kind of nonsense.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 08:37 PM
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19. Thank you
people would behoove themselves to keep up on their history, thank you for helping us "keep up"
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:05 PM
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21. K&R
The sad part is, they didn't do it for much more of a reason than because they could.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:24 AM
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25. wonderful H2O..great essay..and summary! Gonzo must not be allowed off scott free!
Our Constitution needs defending and now..pull out the tables..and get that sucker on the table ...for the consequences of what he has done to your country and mine!

thank you H2O!!

fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:26 AM
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26. without accountability ..someone else will do the same in the future..hold that bastard accountable!
Now..yesterday..

put him in the pit and hold fire under his feet..

but damnit..hold him accountable for his crimes against our constitution!

fly
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:22 PM
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27. Thanks. Another fine essay.
K&R
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:42 PM
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28. He will have to be hunted down until he's brought to justice....as long as it takes.
And, not just Gonzo but all who participated in this. If Congress can't or won't do it...then it's up to the people to bring civil suits by joining to together with organizations who can help us. It may take a decade...but it's been done before with the Nazi's and with Pinochet. What they've done crosses all borders. We will have international help. They've destabilzed a part of the world for their own gains. They've tortured Americans and citizens from other countries on thin or no evidence. They've done all this because "they could." They had help from those in other governments. THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD must STAND UP as they have before and hold these people accountable.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:58 PM
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29. Thus ...
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:03 PM
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30. Outstanding! I agree. These guys need to be held accountable.
I hope the Dems continue investigations.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 03:32 PM
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31. Very well said,
as usual. :toast:

K and R.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 04:13 PM
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32. afternoon kick
well said, thank you!
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 04:47 PM
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33. Whatever political machinations are in play in regards to impeachment....
...it should not even be considered against what is the MOST important reason for impeachment:

THE RULE OF LAW.

Damn, it's REALLY THAT simple.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 04:48 PM
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34. love your sig line!
Very excellent creation.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 04:50 PM
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35. Thanks! It's an oldie...
:D
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