The Big Secret Revealed

[lovuian]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jS29XtZaX0k

Based on articles

http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=13498

Kucinich Reveals Dem Funding Bill Includes Privatization of Iraq Oil & Carte Blanche to Invade Iran


by June Caldwell, American Chronicle

May 6, 2007

In a meeting with the West Los Angeles Democratic Club on Saturday, May 5, Presidential candidate and Ohio Congress Representative Dennis Kucinich revealed that the Democrats in Congress had made some secret concessions to the Republicans in the initial Bill to continue funding the Iraq War that was vetoed, and in a subsequent version that is currently being negotiated. They include:

Privatization of Iraq’s Oil – in the original Bill, but not shared with the public. A rule was created that said this clause could not be removed during debate on House floor.
Bush could invade Iran without approval of Congress. A clause that would require him to get approval from Congress first was removed.

Timetable for troop withdrawal from Iraq to be removed from Bill (in post-veto version)
more...

Just to remind people the Iran war soon to be WWIII has been in the plans for quite sometime
and the Democratic Congress will be part of it

IS this is another Preemptive strike again on another nation by US

[Disturbed]

1. Amerika is a Plutocracy.

It has been thus since the 13 Colonies were united & remains so to this day.

The majority of Rethugs & Dems support the US Occupation of Iraq for an indefinite time frame ; that includes Sen. Clinton. . There are various reasons for this. You can speculate as to those reasons. The US Occupation will continue & the Dems will keep funding it. There will be a draw down but at least 60K US Troops & 140K Mercs will remain in Iraq. US presence in Iraq will continue for decades. People that subscribe to the Dem Party are in denial of the complicity of the Dem Party, the Busholini Regime & the Rethug Party.

[dickbearton]

47. Welcome to Corporate Fascist America.

[MissWaverly]

2. how could they let him attack Iran

do they believe that nuking a peaceful nation which is allowling UN inspections could be seen as anything but aggression.

[lovuian]

5. I think its all about the defense of Israel against Nukes

that will be in the future possibly made by Iran and Corporations Bildeberger group wanting control of all world water oil money and natural resources... they control that they control the world

WWIII is when they will fail like when Hitler failed

people get tired of dying for a few rich jerks

[wildbilln864]

13. I think it's all about.....

this! :shrug:

[MissWaverly]

20. they are nuts, we are not the Roman Empire

and Bush is no Julius Caesar

[Prophet 451]

76. Which is a shame

Bush following the example of Caesar Julius would actually be a good thing: Superb military commander, shared power (first as Consul then in the First Triumverate), became dictator after the Triumverate collapsed (remember, "dictator" to the Romans merely meant the leader during a crisis) and was quickly assassinated by his general and close friend (Cheney with a dagger in the Oval Office?).

Of course, while Julius was never an emperor, his assassination touched off a series of civil wars and upheavals which ended teh Republic and created the Empire.

No, Bush is closest to Crassus: A man significant mainly for his money who was ruined by his desire to prove himself a tough guy. Crassus tried to prove it by attacking the Parthians and was killed in the process. Bush, of course, tried to prove it attacking Iraq. Shame he wasn't personally leading the charge as Crassus was...

[MissWaverly]

90. Well, the problem is that they have no accountability

they control the press and I believe they stole the 2004 election, I have read where there was a significant drop in the rural vote
for Bush from 2000 and 2004, I believe that the same trend occurred in the cities despite the urban myth of an upsurge
of Bush votes in metro areas over 500,000. I heard Karl Rove (on Meet the Press) last week, that in 2000 Bush won despite
polling at 46% and in 2004, the dems outraised the Republicans by more than 100 million. If that is true then Bush could
not have won the majority of the vote.

[southerncrone]

39. Yea, it is what it's all about.

[WarhammerTwo]

46. Actually, I think it's all about this....

http://www.wanttoknow.info/051115secretsocietiesbilderberg

[Just-plain-Kathy]

58. Welcome to the DU WarhammerTwo...

I never heard to the Bilderberg Group. Thanks for bring it to my (our) attention.

...Talk about shadow governements.

[PATRICK]

73. Like the DLC

Like PNAC and a larger scale club or convention with many of the same philosophical and practical failings. Also, it is clear in actual power decisions, such as by a Bush, than of these self congratulatory "wise" harmonious cliques get betrayed or left behind in a scornful shower of money and advantages. Or, when it comes to unions and sincere Dems playing their game, nothing or ruin. It gives the word elite or any other high sounding name a permanent bad smell. Inherently wrong if not perilous: secrecy especially concerning things that must be open policy. The presence of people with nothing to offer except arrogance and DNA or some form of elan celebrity. Birds of a vulture feather, chickenhawks, wrong headed turkeys that consider every other human being from scientists to actual leaders...pigeons.

People who of themselves could not contribute a single thing to any community or any branch of knowledge or help in any crisis but who will not, in any circumstance short of actual handcuffs, relinquish the steering wheel of all of human civilization. In other words, lest we forget our recent post-Ice Age history, same old same old from the worst of the worst. The change today is that the general population instinct is that the game is up, that the people don't have to settle for the climate of despair to maintain the ridiculous illusions, that these ill-named elites and the systems they must necessarily create to continue their inevitable failures must cease.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

57. wildbill, it amazes me that our dem leaders never talk about Cheney's PNAC.

Just talking about it would have nailed the '04 elections by a landslide.

[wildbilln864]

81. I agree Kathy

I saw that History channel 911 truth hitpiece say that the PNAC had disbanded but they didn't mention that they became high powered officials in our government! Without internet access most people are only exposed to their BS propaganda! :banghead:

[KAT119]

115. Wm. Kristol's LIKUUD/Zionist paper: 'The Weekly Standard'promotes M.E. wars.

It's foreign policy is to protect Israel by destroying Arab soverign states.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), pays approx. 1/2 of each US Congress member's campaign financing if they vote for Wm. Kristol's/
AIPAC/Zionist/LIKUUD wars ...which they all do, including Nancy Pelosi.

Most Jewish people do not want war, these folks DO!!

Hop into the handbasket, as they take the world into the screaming bowels of HELL.

[oberliner]

116. AIPAC pays 1/2 of each US Congress member's campaing financing?

Got a link?

[MissWaverly]

21. if we do this, we will be the pariah of the world

[robinlynne]

22. and we already are....

[MissWaverly]

25. yes, but we are getting into major rogue nation

stuff, the things which bring UN sanctions and other things, how is this different than Saddam? Saddam was criticized
and had to deal with major repercussions after he attacked Kuwait. How would the world see us nuking Iran?

[Mr Rabble]

63. UN sanctions are highly unlikely. We will just veto

and resolutions against us. If we don't, Israel will, and it will be dispatched down the memory hole.

Did you know that the US was already condemned by the World Court in the 1980's for acts of international terrorism? Where did that go?

Ask the Nicaraguan government how effective the UN has been in stopping state terrorism- when it comes from the US.

[MissWaverly]

67. I don't think nukes will be ignored

We invaded Iraq which had not attacked us, I don't think nuking Iran will occur w/o major action by the UN.

[Mr Rabble]

99. With all due respect here Miss W.

We have invaded almost half of the countries in Latin America in the last 35 years, in addition to Iraq- twice- and nothing has yet to be done by the UN to stop US leadership. It isn't likely to start now.

[MissWaverly]

105. It's a different world now

even in China, there's talk of unions and environmental concerns, tv and the internet have changed the world. The poorest
people in India can surf the net for a few rupees, there's a new awareness out there that was not there before,
if we have been acting like a pig in a trough, well, those days are ending.

[Mr Rabble]

107. Ok. That still has nothing to do with UN sanctions.

I'd rather not get totally off topic here by discussing China's workers rights issues. Instead, lets keep to the topic, which is repercussion for the US for preemptive war.

There will be none. There have been none.

I dont like it, but there it is.

[MissWaverly]

109. The world is not back in the 1800s, they are sophisticated

and they are not going to stand for us pissing off their oil trading partner, Iran has agreements with Russia and China.

[Mr Rabble]

111. I would like to suggest that you look at recent history.

The 1800's are as you suggest a different era.

The 1980's are not. The US was condemned by the world court for acts of state sponsored, international terrorism less than 30 years ago.

I don't want to say anything here that might come across as insulting to you, because I think your heart is in the right place. However, you are either being very naive here, or you just don't have a good grasp of recent history.

Just have a look into Iran/Contra and think about the implications of those policies.

What did the UN have to say about that?

Have a good night. :pals:

[MissWaverly]

113. my last comment on this

We would have been better off if we had sanctions placed against us for our involvement in Nicaraqua, but
Nicaraqua is not a leading exporter of oil and does not have formal agreements with Russia and China.

If we attack Iran, Iran will boycott all nations that are our allies or who support the strike, you will see a race
to the UN to get sanction against us. If there is NO OIL from Iran, the entire global market will be
impacted.

[Raejeanowl]

112. Pariah?

Aren't we already?

[AntiFascist]

7. It's obviously all about the oil....

In light of peak oil being a reality, particularly in Saudi Arabia, the only recourse for this idiotic government is aggression:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x109822

Meanwhile, GM develops an engine for SUVs that's 15% more efficient. Big deal! Big Oil interests in this country are taking America down.

[MissWaverly]

19. the US existed before the gas driven auto

and can exist w/o M.E. oil, with a trillion dollars we could have achieved independence from foreign oil, we now get
more of our oil from our Latin America neighbors than we do from the Middle East.

[enid602]

26. Latin America

And speaking of our Latin neighbors, Venezuela, Argentina, Chile and Brazil (among others) are (and have been for years) energy independent. And they did it without spending a trillion dollars.

[MissWaverly]

28. yes, they did/ but they are not driven by the military

industrial complex, they have rational politicians

[many a good man]

29. US never existed without abundant cheap energy

Control of oil downstream will be much more difficult once >35% of world supplies originate in the ME. Remember what happened in the 70s?

[MissWaverly]

40. Yes, I know, but we have to move past oil

it's is not worth sacrificing everything for, it's only a temporary solution at best and the pollution is harming the entire planet.

[AntiFascist]

55. Yes, but if you'll notice from the link in my previous post...

peak oil is also hitting some of the Latin American countries. There are vast amounts yet to be tapped in Iraq and Iran and I feel that the real force driving the aggression, as well as the civil war, is Saudi Arabia. Through corruption, intimidation, and the help of the neoconservatives they have usurped the use of our military.

I agree that the US can exist, and hopefully will exist, in the future without any dependence on foreign oil and the sooner we begin acting toward this goal the better.

[MissWaverly]

68. Yes, I agree, they love oil barrels over $60

more profit for them all, OPEC, big oil companies and all their shareholders, this has been win, win for them.

[Prophet 451]

77. But if oil stays above $60

then the power shifts to Latin America and Venezuala in particular. The liquid crude in the Mid-East is running out while Venezuala has massive stores of tar sands. Before, it wasn't economically viable to recover it but at $60 a barrel, it's worth it to melt the sand and drain out the oil. That's why the neo-cons have put so much effort into demonising Chavez.

See the paperback edition of Armed Madhouse (Greg Palast).

[MissWaverly]

89. Yes, that's right, I have Armed Madhouse/great book

[UNCLE_Rico]

86. I agree Peak Oil is the real root of our ME policy, and disagree ...

About how a trillion dollars could get us off of middle east oil.

Not saying this as an insult in any way, you have expressed a very common misconception re: the US oil addiction situation.

The root issue here is that economics/money cannot trump physics/chemistry. Money (nor 'technology' per se) is not really wealth, resources/energy are real wealth. The exploitation of colossally cheap (I speak in terms of Energy Returned On Energy Invested, simple physics calulations) Fossil Fuel resources are the underlying reason that the population on the planet has grown to 6 billion plus. Without these resources, NO MATTER WHAT technology we try to apply, we are not going to be able to sustain a population over perhaps 1.5 to 2 billion people. This is simple biology/physics/chemisty related 'Carrying Capacity' kinda equations, IOW, a fairly inexorable, universal REALITY.

That means, quite simply, that 2/3 of the world population is going to have to die off as the world runs out of oil and natural gas forever, a process which many experts say began in 2005. As it stands now, all of our 'alternatives', including nuclear, wind, solar, hydrogen (a joke), geothermal, and hydroelectric COMBINED have absolutely NO practical possibility replacing even a sizable fraction of the high-density portable extremely high EROEI liquid fuel we currently use to fuel EVERY ASPECT of our lives here in the USA. People who think strictly in terms of their passenger cars are SO FAR off the path of understanding (not saying you are doing that, but many do) how absolutely CRITICAL oil and natural gas are in sustaining EVERYTHING we take for granted in this country as 'part of life'.

In the USA, we would have needed to start dealing with the reality of oil depletion in the world at least 10 years, probably 20 years ago, to have been able to do really do something in time to avert a major catastrophe. Quite simply, its too late now, we don't have any feasible alternatives that we can implement in the time frame we realistically have to do so. We basically have no choice but to go to war with the rest of the world to secure the remaining supplies, and we will almost certainly fail at it, and make the situation even more dire for ourselves.

[MissWaverly]

91. what about fuel from waste products

I know that fertilizer was used as an explosive in Oklahoma bombing and I saw a special on their re-using cow manure as an
energy source.

[AntiFascist]

98. I disagree that hydrogen is joke....

this only feeds the "oil is the only thing that can save us" propaganda. Hydrogen is a means for storing energy from other sources. There is a vast amount of energy available in ocean currents, not just wave energy available at the shores, but in the ocean itself, and for some reason we have yet to tap into it. This has been demonstrated, however, as a potentially unending source of energy and power.

Again, its the oil companies which are preventing development of a virtually infinite and cheap source of energy. Its true that it would take a sizeable investment to get this started, but I'm sure a trillion dollars could be put to very good use if you kept it away from corrupt politicians and corrupt businesspeople.

The fact that global bankers make incredible profits in time of war is another factor preventing the peaceful development of alternative energy. When you have an administration populated by former oil executives, what do expect?

[Mr Rabble]

114. Kunstler should be thrilled.

To know that someone is paying attention to his books. Or Simmons, et al...

Seems like you have a good grasp on the PE situation.

[Prophet 451]

75. Yes, they do

They believe that American military dominance is such that they don't have to worry about military repercussions, they simply don't care about international opinion, are contemptuous of international bodies and believe they can convince a narrow majority of teh American public that they "had" to attack Iran (and they're probably right).

[MissWaverly]

92. no, they have no base

only the corporatists who considered their service is what they "bought" and see it as a kind of IOU that the GOP has given them,
they are not loyal at all but greedy predators.

[133724]

3. So; what did the "Dems" get in return????? Inquiring minds want to know...

[Autumn Colors]

4. Members of their families get to live longer? (nm)

[lovuian]

6. Bingo Wellstone was a big lesson

to all of them

[liberation]

84. Anthrax...

Most of the targeted politicians from the Anthrax scare were Democrats. And the investigation went no where, no one has been indicted, no one has been made accountable for the fact that it was a military-grade (who are the only ones who care or would develop the stuff anyway) strain. Another victim was an editor who supposedly had compromising pictures about the Bush family.

And yet, again no investigation. Ironically the one gaining the most from all the Anthrax scare was Boosh, and yet no one investigated or dare question the official line. After all any criminal investigation worth its weight in salt should start by investigating those who had most to benefit from the crime.

Bush is either an evil bastard, a scion of a line of incredible evil bastards. Or simply he is just *that* lucky, just like his grandpa and his dad. I mean, something fishy goes on and chances are that a Bush is somehow or another related or involved or benefiting from the even. Heck, look a poppy Bush, who viscerally hated Reagan. The guy who shot Reagan was the son of a family friend of the Bushs. What are the chances? And the guy who allegedly masterminded 9/11 was the son of a business family with close ties to the Bushs... again what are the chances?

But, hey surely it is just me being a crack pot. Them Bushs are just that lucky and I should leave it at that. After all I should feel perfectly fine having the grandson of Prescott Bush, who plotted to overthrow FDR and who bankrolled the enemy during WWII, as my president.

[kimmerspixelated]

9. You know, I have often thought that.

It seems to be the only possible reason why so many good ,conscience Dems would seemingly look the other way! They all have had contracts put on their lives, or their families. We live in a mafioso fascist state!!!!!!!!!!!

[OnionPatch]

14. I truly believe this as well.

:( There's hardly a soul who is brave enough to stand up for what's right. I'm starting to think I should only vote for candidates without a family to threaten.

[leeroysphitz]

94. Or maybe most democrats are just politicians.

I mean we don't really need such byzantine plots to explain why politicians would lie and act in there own self interests instead of the people's do we?

[OnionPatch]

104. No, we don't. I agree to a point. But....

I do think the leaders of the right wing in America have absolutely no qualms at all over snuffing their enemies. We already have evidence of that. I would think the situation is a combination of both. "Do it our way and you will be rewarded, or do it the other way and your plane will go down mysteriously."

[tblue37]

33. Or else the domestic spying has turned up enough truly

embarrassing stuff (and possibly even criminal stuff) to keep most of them, Republicans and Democrats, playing ball with the Rove/Cheney administration. What else do you suppose they need unrestricted domestic spying for? That's how they get the dirt they need to blackmail everyone into submission.

[lovuian]

36. Another Bingo its why wiretapping has been such a touchy

situation

[liberalla]

106. I have a feeling you're very close to the truth there...

and, what do we do with that? The only solution I can think of, is for the individuals being blackmailed/threatened to come clean and reveal their embarrassing/unethical conduct themselves. Then it can't be used against them.

I'm talking about immediate action, not waiting to elect another candidate.

They could even announce that they have been threatened by the WH, and they have been unable to represent the people properly. In revealing their own misconduct, they also expose the misconduct of the administration. I think most people would have understanding and be more willing to 'forgive' the embarrassing details.

[tblue37]

108. I agree. But people don't out themselves--not powerful people with a lot to lose. n/t

[lovuian]

117. well when a person blackmails you they usually take you

out anyway they always intend to keep blackmailing you until you come clean

Any smart man knows this

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. ...

:thumbsup:

[tinker_toy]

60. no

so Kucinich is not afraid for his life or his family's? Gravel?

I'm afraid it's about money, not threats. Dems are profiting from this war as much as Republicans are.

[RandomKoolzip]

70. Unfortunately, this is the right answer.

:cry:

[Individualist]

80. You're right

Too many are accepting the fear excuse as a cover up for complicity.

[arikara]

95. True, but I think

its likely a combination of reasons, they all couldn't be bought off. I think some are blackmailed, some are threatened or their families threatened, and some earn themselves a nice swiss bank account. Unfortunately, some who don't play the game are actually murdered like Wellstone, and others have their careers wrecked like Cynthia McKinney.

And even fewer, like Dennis Kucinich, they can't reach. The world needs him.

Welcome to DU by the way.

[robinlynne]

23. good question. we should ask them that exact question.

[OregonBlue]

8. K & R I wouldn't believe it if it hadn't come from Kucinich. I'm an Edwards supporter but I

believe Kucinich is an honest man. I'm so appalled, discouraged, disgusted!

[kimmerspixelated]

10. Kucinich needs to bring this up at the debates

so folks will listen! I'm sure he has a number of bodyguards. Something tells me this little guy is pretty fearless. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat!(that is, if we can't have Gore!)

[onewholaughsatfools]

41. kucinich the smallest man,with

the biggest balls!

[annabanana]

64. There were a few threads here in DU when it happened..

They did not reach "critical mass" and were on the greatest page for only a day or two....

[wildbilln864]

11. K&R #7! Thanks for posting! eom!

[seemunkee]

15. What is the bill number and clause that states this

Does Thomas list all versions of a bill or only the current/final version? Are they listed anywhere?

[lovuian]

17. Kucinich was giving us the message that closed door

concessions are being made by Democrats to Bush

I believe Kucinich

[guruoo]

44. So this supposed deal struck in May, is still not in writing? n/t

[slipslidingaway]

45. A starting point...

HR 1591
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=12681

HR 2206 was the supplemental bill that was finally approved.


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-dems-indicate-they-are-more-united-on-iran-legislation-2007-05-15.html

"House Democrats, who have been divided on whether the president needs authorization from Congress to attack Iran, suggested yesterday that they are more united on the controversial issue.

But with Iran measures possibly headed to the House floor as early as today, it is unclear if Democrats have the votes to pass legislation calling for the president to seek authorization from Congress for a preemptive strike on Iran.

House Democratic leaders initially attempted to insert Iran language in their now-vetoed Iraq supplemental bill, but abandoned the plan after some New York Democrats, including Reps. Eliot Engel and Gary Ackerman, balked at the language."

[lovuian]

48. Why did Engel and Ackerman balk at the language

so we do have some names

its ironic that New York home to 911 that they would balk...

Kucinich revealed that their are Democratics that are playing ball with Bush...

and its about one of the most gravest issues
Preemptive strike on Iran

[slipslidingaway]

51. I do not remember the details, but do know there is more on the

net, also there has been some votes taken already on...

"After striking the language, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) promised several members, including Reps. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.), Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), and Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.), that she would allow for an up-or-down vote on an Iran amendment, though it is unclear which amendment or amendments will be voted on."

that were defeated. Again I would have to research it for more details.


I was just going to post this, somewhat related.

Speaking in opposition to H.R. 6198, the Iran Freedom Support Act, Congressman Kucinich said:

http://www.kucinichforcongress.com/floor_speeches/iran_not_threat28sep.php

[slipslidingaway]

54. Re the Iran Freedom Support Act

H.R.6198

Title: To hold the current regime in Iran accountable for its threatening behavior and to support a transition to democracy in Iran.
Sponsor: Rep Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana (introduced 9/27/2006) Cosponsors (3)
Related Bills: H.R.282, S.3971
Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 109-293
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
COSPONSORS(3), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)

Rep Ackerman, Gary L. - 9/27/2006 Rep Hyde, Henry J. - 9/27/2006
Rep Lantos, Tom - 9/27/2006

[seemunkee]

72. Thanks

I'll start reading through this later today.

[spanone]

16. re-elect an entire new congress. none of them are worth a shit imo

[Jack Sprat]

18. I don't know about you, but I am becoming completely

skeptical about the chances of salvaging any shred of integrity to this country. The good, old USA has been freeze dried by the corporate thieves and is being sold off to whomever has the money to pay the cashier.

[BringEmOn]

24. Why is this shit on the table, Nancy?

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LWolf]

30. K&R n/t

[bandy]

31. This kind of thing

Just takes my breath away. What to do, what to do?

[snappyturtle]

32. This was in May '07.....why are we just hearing about it or did I

just miss it? I'm about ready to stop reading anything more....everything is such bad news. Meanwhile, the MSM is "busy" with the hard work of the primary elections and Hollywood news.

[annabanana]

65. DU had a few threads on it...

(Not enough, evidently) When there is real news, we have to push multiple threads onto the Greatest Page to help move the story forward...

[BeHereNow]

34. Secret to some, and to the rest of us- NO SURPRISE AT ALL.

God damned corporate fed piggies.
They DO NOT represent us at all!!!!!!!

KICK THE BUMS OUT!
BHN

[JerseygirlCT]

35. Explain to me why the Dems are "making deals" that basically

hand the Republicans everything they've wanted?

Shouldn't WE be the ones accepting deals that serve our goals?

I'm so confused!

[lovuian]

37. Me too I sure would like the names of the Dems

willing to give Bush the OK to go to war with Iran without Congress's permission???

[Individualist]

38. This is why...

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

Without a doubt, the DLC is the most fundamentalist organization within the caucus, the most ideologically rigid, and the most destructive to the progressive cause.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/24/1712/23448

[onewholaughsatfools]

42. well in times like this,

we find they are all part of the same game of helping themselves and not the people...

[MadHound]

66. Because most of the Dems are working for the same corporate masters the 'Pugs are

Which is why we need publicly funded election campaigns, and also why Kucinich is the best candidate on the Democratic slate, since he isn't a bought off corporate whore.

[whistle]

43. So can Dennis Kucinich begin to structure an FDR style New Deal

...economic recovery plan and program which will put the Federal Reserve in bankruptcy, restructure it as the Third National Bank of the United States putting the creation of money bank into the hands of the U.S. Congress, establish a Bretton Woods type of fixed exchange money system based on low 1% to 2% interest long term loans for infrastructure redevelopment over the next 50 to 75 years to put Americans back to work with real production?

This must begin ASAP or by the time the next president takes office in January 2009 there will no longer be a Republic.

[cutlassmama]

49. k&r

[judaspriestess]

50. and to think the dc madam made insinuations of people being

blackmailed. A dc madam knows this, makes it public and no one cares because of the 'source' it came from. Could she be right? I say she is spot on.

[superkia]

52. More reason to push for Kucinich!

[dickbearton]

53. K&R.

[Diane R]

56. This makes me sick. Why am I working to elect democrats, if they do things like this?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

59. This is why I love Kucinich...it gets right to the point on issues.

He doesn’t flitter around with talking points trying to say just the right thing that would get him elected.

Dennis Kucinich seeks the truth and he’s not afraid to stand up for what’s right. ... If he keeps this up, he’ll be our next president. ...That is if the “fix” isn't in.

[Disturbed]

61. "Kucinich...it gets right to the point on issues."

He is correct, also. But he is unelectable, according the US Corp. Media.

[mdelaguna2000]

62. Always getting the straight story with Dennis.

I trust him most of all.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

69. Dennis seems to be the only reliable representative we have?

People should help him

[halobeam]

71. isn't it nuts?

"People should help him".. that says a lot right there. Just for you to have stated that, is imo, very sad. He's here to help us, and yet he doesn't have enough support. Apathy doesn't only fall from republican trees. Media influence doesn't either. We succumb to his "not being electable" because thats how they frame him. Did WE really decide he's unelectable? I think not; but we believe it though, don't we.

Most of us, deserve what the fuck is coming down the road.

Sorry, but I'm disgusted too. Dear God.

[Broadslidin]

74. A constitution entrenched two political party system, Easily Bought.

Walling themselves off from the odorous rabble
with a contrived 'electoral college'

The signers were simply protecting
their American Way of doing "The Biz".

[Honeycombe8]

78. "Not shared with the public"? Impossible. The bill is a public record.

The politicians may not have HIGHLIGHTED certain provisions, but there is no way to keep any part of the bill from the public, since the entire bill is a public record.

Looks like once again the media isn't doing its job.

But...how can the U.S. "privatize" the resources of another country? We have no control over Iraq's oil any longer...well, at least we won't, once Iraq has a definite government. I wonder...is that why Iraq doesn't have a definite government yet...because the U.S. is standing in the way?

As far as the timetable being removed, that was publicized.

As far as Bush invading Iran w/o Congressional approval....this is the most disturbing part. I bet the bill doesn't say "invade."

I wonder what this bill says, exactly.

[GeorgeGist]

79. It's No Big Secret ...

that we are a kakistocracy; government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.

[femrap]

82. The Fat Cats are just too damn

lazy,unimaginative, and sadistic to put together a huge R & D effort into developing renewable sources of energy.

Hell, we already had an electric that people absolutely loved. Watch the video, 'Who Killed the Electric Car.'

[snappyturtle]

83. Kick !

:kick:

[peacetalksforall]

85. I didn't click on this thread because I thought this was about the Secret - book - the one

with the big following.

I had no idea that Kucinich was revealing something. I didn't know about this plan. I suggest that this thread continue under another title so that everyone knows about our traitorous Dem Congress, if this is all true and in the event that others are skipping over this. I am not a Kucinich doubter, therefore I'm taking this seriously and believe we should all be in on this.

No wonder George and Dick are so determined and smirky.

This means that the John Warner words and position are just part of the set up.

[NotGivingUp]

97. I'll second that. This deserves everyone's attention. n/t

[EVDebs]

87. Federal funding bill deadline date is Oct 1st. The Iran op and funding will take place before that

it seems.

[KaptBunnyPants]

88. And People say there's no difference between the Parties.

Thanks, Democrats, for proving Nader right. Again.

[hurricaneric]

101. Start a third party then

[Jack Rabbit]

93. Thank you for posting

Is it not enough for the congressional Democrats to fail to impeach and end the war? Must they collaborate with the enemy?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

96. The date on the article is 5/6/07. Most on DU have seen this, know about

it as it was posted when it first came out. I don't know any other Democrats members of Congress that have acknowledged this, so yes it is a Big Secret.
This makes me feel as warm and cuddly as the Democratic Leadership destroying the Fourth Amendment with the FISA Amendment.

IMHO, they are complicit.

[NoFederales]

100. The article doesn't mention names. Since this was written back in May,

is it known who these conspiring Democrats are? What can be done?

NoFederales

[hurricaneric]

102. I can't stand this,

every few weeks somone reposts this article as sacrament. Then everyone that supposedly considers themselves a Dem. starts fuming about the party and praising Kucinich as the only real candidate. All the while he remains in single digits in the polls. Nonesense. I say this is a drag on the party with no real purpose right now and should be cut loose.

[Disturbed]

103. ". Start a third party then"

Why do that when we have The Green Party? Of course, that is a Catch 22. Not enough people in the Green Party to garner enough votes for Natl. Candidates. Maybe if the Progressives finally decided that the Dem Party is complicit with the RWing Corp. party, the Green Party would have a better chance. That won't happen unless there are big changes in the way Elections are established.

The Electoral System

Repeal the 12th amendment, reforming the electoral college, standardizing party qualifications in the states, qualified and free access to public airwaves.

1.Uniform Ballot Access
2.Loosen Third Party Ballot Restrictions
3.Universal Voter Registration
4.Election Day Holiday
5.Equal Media Access/Debate Inclusion
6.Instant Runoff Voting (IRV)
7.Secure Voting Machines
8.Public Campaign Financing
9.Direct Popular Vote Election of the President
10.DC Congressional Representation

[halobeam]

110. K & R