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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:32 AM
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Goss Rejected Advice on Probe Into CIA's Role Before Sept. 11
"Operation 40" means never having to say you're sorry.



Goss Rejected Advice on Probe Into CIA's Role Before Sept. 11

By Viola Gienger

Aug. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Porter Goss, a former CIA director, rejected advice that an outside panel evaluate the performance of his predecessor, George Tenet, and other officials over failures to prevent the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The Central Intelligence Agency's inspector general recommended in June 2005 that Goss form a panel to consider disciplinary action against some officials still with the agency, according to a declassified summary of the report released yesterday. The CIA's current director, General Michael Hayden, said he re-read the findings and agreed with Goss's decision.

"Director Goss noted at the time that the officers cited include some of our finest," Hayden said in a statement issued along with the congressionally mandated inspector general's report. "With inadequate resources, they and those they led worked flat out against a tough, secretive foe."

Inspector General John Helgerson's team concluded that Tenet and other top officials failed to use their authority effectively, didn't coordinate internally or with other agencies and missed opportunities to evaluate information on the Sept. 11 hijackers who attacked New York and the Pentagon near Washington.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=acm0OTxJPg78&refer=home



Personally, I think it would be good for the country to know the truth.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:53 AM
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1. It would be good ........
but I don't know how you get at the truth, since there has been so much lying and obfuscation from the president on down.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:49 PM
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2. Here's some truth about Porter Goss and colleagues itineraries
during August 2001 up to the morning of September 11, 2001-which leads to some hard questions that have never been answered.

A Congressional delegation visited Pakistan and President Musharraf in August. Three of the members of that delegation were The House Committee on Intelligence Chairman Rep. Porter Goss (R FL), The Senate Committee on Intelligence Chairman Sen. Bob Graham (R FL), and Senator Jon Kyl (R AZ).

On August 6, 2001 a PDB was given to George W. Bush including a 2-page section titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US". Many reports and warnings about possible attacks in the US from ME and SE Asia based groups had come into the US intelligence community from US and foreign sources.

FBI and other law enforcement reports about suspicious activities of associates of these ME and SE Asia based groups had also been entered, including information about flight school training in Minnesota, Arizona and Florida.

John Ellis Bush was the Governor of Florida, a SCOTUS decision regarding the counting of votes in Florida to determine the winner of the 2000 general election resulted in the Bush administration taking office despite having lost the popular vote, confrontational partisan tactics used in the recount, disfranchisement of eligible voters, voting machine issues and other irregularities.

The head of Pakistan's intelligence services (ISI), Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad was in the US during September 4-13 2001.

There are consistent independent reports that Gen. Ahmad, in addition to whatever else he was doing in the US in September 2001, had made arrangements for some type of financial disbursement to associates of these ME and/or SE Asia based groups, including Muhammad Atta who was enrolled at the Naples, Florida flight school of Huffman Aviation partially owned and controlled by Wallace J. Hilliard.

On the morning of September 11, 2001 a breakfast meeting with Gen. Ahmad included Rep. Porter Goss, Senators Bob Graham and Jon Kyl and others-when news of the attacks reached this group they left that meeting.

George W. Bush was in Florida when he was notified of the attacks by Andrew Card, he eventually left a school and was flown around in Air Force 1 with USAF fighter protection making brief stops at US military bases before returning safely to Washington.

All these facts are available through numerous open independent sources. They lead to many still unanswered questions, these facts have exposed many lies and propaganda since 2001.

I know what you mean about Operation 40, Octafish. So DU others.

"DID CIA KILL RFK?-Screenwriter Finds Evidence Implicating 3 CIA Officers (Guardian)" (archived kpete thread started 11-20-2006)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2762695

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:29 PM
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4. A background link to a very elusive and very wealthy character mentioned upthread,
Wally Hilliard.

I made an error in this cross-posted link that went beyond the edit time, I incorrectly called Mr. Hilliard's former Green Bay company "American Medical Service/AMS"-the name of that company is American Medical Security/AMS.

Aside from that, for all DUers and guests seeking facts and truth here's the background link (from a very informative, active parent thread)

"University of Wisconsin-Madison alumnus Wallace J. Hilliard, his associates & family merit a post" (8-18-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x21683#21906
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:36 PM
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7. I NEED TO CORRECT SOMETHING HERE....WHEN * TOOK OFF FROM SARASOTA


HE DID NOT HAVE AN AF ESCORT...

as stated here in your post..

"George W. Bush was in Florida when he was notified of the attacks by Andrew Card, he eventually left a school and was flown around in Air Force 1 with USAF fighter protection making brief stops at US military bases before returning safely to Washington."

AF1 took off without an AF escort...

many of us questioned this at the time!!

fly
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:30 AM
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12. lol! I just posted a Video of this taking off in a post. eom
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:14 AM
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13. What I intended to convey was that AF1 flew around the skies and at some point
fighter protection was added-that was my intended context flyarm, and it is true.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:57 PM
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15. AHH YES..THANK YOU ..I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK
that pissy pants had f-16 coverage out of Sarasota....which in itself was not protocol..why did AF1 have no escort out of Sarasota?? was it a stand down of protocol?

another dog that didn't bark!!

fly
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:28 AM
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11. VIDEO Bush left Sarasota without a jet fighter escort and flew around from
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 01:29 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
between 45 minutes to an hour before getting one. They joined him just before he landed in Louisiana. (the account of his flight was reported on 60 minutes a year after the attacks.

Here's a video of Shrub leaving on AF1. This video makes me want to puke.

http://www.AttackOnAmerica.net/AirForceOneLeavingSarasota.ram

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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:35 PM
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14. There needs to be an additional correction to your post
Senator Bob Graham is a Democrat, not a republicon. Other than that, you site a lot of good info.

Dan Hopsicker has done an amazing investigative report on the happenings surrounding the Terrorist training in Florida.

Anyone interested here's his link: http://madcowprod.com/

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:48 PM
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21. That's where collaborative research comes in handy MM-thanks n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:18 PM
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17. Speaking of Sen. Bob Graham..VIDEO Randy Glass Warning Graham re 9/11
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:52 PM
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3. Personally, who could expect Goss to act on this? After all, he was having breakfast
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 12:53 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
on the morning of 9/11 with Gen. Ahmad (& Sen. Graham). Ahmad had wired "lead hijacker" Atta $100,000 just before the attacks.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:38 PM
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8. they are all fucking liars!! even Graham..i confronted Graham about many of the so called facts
he could not answer me ..in fact he wouldn't look me in the eyes...Ommsweetomm..you remember when i told you of my meeting with Graham..and my confronting him.and what i told you then..he wouldn't look me in the face!..and definitely not in the eyes..

they are all bloody liars!

fly
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:42 AM
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9. I remember fly. I also recall you telling me how you called Bob Kerry out & he couldn't answer you..
He knows the commission report is not even good enough to use as ass wipes.

They are all fucking liars.

:hug::loveya:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:58 PM
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16. not only did i call him out so did my husband..and i called him a liar! eom
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:20 PM
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18. That must have been the first time your husband really realized what
we are against with this liars.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 08:39 AM
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25. .
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:44 PM
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5. NGU kick
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:53 PM
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6. Why, of COURSE, he did!!1 n/t
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:03 AM
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10. Small little circle. Funny how they all got promoted
Rice. Promoted to Secretary of State.

Hadley. Promoted to NSA.

Goss. House intelligence chairman to CIA Director.

Hayden. Director of NSA to DDNI to CIA Director.

"With inadequate resources, they and those they led worked flat out against a tough, secretive foe."

The IG report refutes this talking point about resources. Even Terry McDermott admits in his book Perfect Soldiers that the alleged hijackers were not exactly professional terrorists.

They are all lying.

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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:31 PM
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19. Where is Phase II of WMD report that is to talk about manipulation of intel?? nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:32 PM
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20. Ask Jay Rockefeller. I believe he's sitting on it. eom
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:20 PM
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22. .
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:00 PM
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:30 PM
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 04:47 PM
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 05:05 PM
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27. Of all the congressional investigations, this is the most important one.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:04 AM
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