Why hasn't there been a progressive/antiwar revolt against a Hillary nomination?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

-no strong candidate as an alternative?
-waiting to see what Al Gore does?
-accepted her coronation as inevitable?
-they actually buy her sudden just-for-the-primaries lip service to progressives?

Color me bumfuzzled. I just don't get it.

[aquart]

1. Read her actual record?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

3. you mean that vote for the bankruptcy bill?

that sort of thing?

[BlooInBloo]

4. 92% progressive voting record doesn't matter....

... DUers just say that ALL of "the good stuff" was in the 8%.

:rofl:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

7. the 8% happens to include the biggest issue of our time

the fucking war vote
the one she stood by and din't run away from til she saw the writing on the wall with the '06 results

anyone can compile a x% record one way or the other.
All one has to look at is her stand on corporate power: "free" trade, bankruptcy bill, her sham of a health care plan "no insurance exec left behind", her past with wal-mart, etc, etc. etc

this isn't a case of wanting a perfect candidate. it's amatter of wanting one who actually will move the country in a progressive direction, rather than one who will merely take us rightward at a slower pace than the GOP (like her hubbie did)

oh yeah, and then there's that whole mark rich thing we shant forget

[BlooInBloo]

10. I don't hear the same vehemence about Edwards. How odd.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

12. Edwards wised up on the vote long ago

and he has a solid record on the other issues.
In short, he gets it. He's touting the progressive agenda and pitching big ideas.
Hillary isn't. and what little you get now is just crumbs that will stop once she gets the nomination and thinks she can take us for granted.

[BlooInBloo]

15. He voted for the war! He Voted For The War! HE VOTED FOR THE WAR!!!

You see, that's what I hear all the time about Clinton. Edwards did the EXACT same thing, and yet I *never* hear it of him.

I think that's odd.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

16. he also wised up long ago

clinton wet her finger, put it in the air and waited til the '06 results to take a stand
and then there's those other issues.

edwards is great on just about everything else, she isn't

[BlooInBloo]

17. People don't complain about Clinton not wising up. They, like you...

... COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT VOTE.

Fine. Complain about that vote. Complain about ALL who made that vote equally.

If it's REALLY that vote that you don't like about her.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

19. oh it's a matter of many issues

but she was unrepentant on the war when she thought it would help her. she only switched sides when she thought it would give her an edge in the primaries.

it's classic clintonism-pick a position based on consultants and perceived electoral strength rather than conviction

carville and her rw advisors will have her pandering to the right once they think they have us out of the way and can take us for granted
i can't believe people are falling for this same shit yet again

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. The Republicans want her to run. The corporations want her to run.

The Republicans are even giving huge amounts of money. See Rupert Murdoch.

We will have another Republican president. I can't bear it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. I don't get it either

I know Dems who have said they will quit the party if Hillary gets the nomination. But other than blogging on message boards, I don't see much activity.

[peacebird]

9. me either - tho I wish I did. Perhaps we need to get active ourselves?

I'm up for it, who else is in?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

11. I've sent money to Edwards

he's the only one making any damn sense (who has a reasonable shot at stopping the Clinton machine)
It really baffles me. A year ago, I heard "anybody but Hillary" all the time.
She gives a bit of lip service to our side and people fall for it. Don't they remember what happened with Bill?
If the Clinton/Carville/McAulliffe guys get the nomination, you can kiss the idea of the Howard Dean/netroots/antiwar movement forces setting the agenda (and winning big for a change) good-bye.

All I'm saying is don't be surprised when she nominates some Bill Nelson/Lieberman type as her V-P in order to try to win over the hard right in the general.

[peacebird]

13. exactly.

[JDPriestly]

25. Sign up for Edwards' One Corps and start tabling

and going to meetings. With more grass-roots support, Edwards can take the nomination.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. I couldn't be more active

unless I quit my job, left my family and moved to DC to lobby full time.

[Habibi]

6. I pick A.

Not to hijack the thread, but in my little upstate Noo Yawk county, the Dems are not even running a candidate against the County Executive. Why? "Because she has a big war chest."

Dems all over are kinda skeered these days.

[Cha]

8. How do know there

isn't?

[shadowknows69]

14. I've revolted

On here and to anyone I talk to. DK all the way!

[NotGivingUp]

21. Viva la Revolution!!! Kucinich all the way! n/t

[leftchick]

23. me too!

I LOVE Dennis!

And Mike as well. :)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

18. Our "revolt" consists of supporting Dennis Kucinich

and I'm happy to see that he seems to have more support here than he did in 2004.

[Individualist]

20. Hear, hear!

That revolt will make itself known during the primaries. DK all the way!

[leftchick]

24. much more!

I believe the base is seeing the truth about the DLC/AIPAC candidates. :)

[NotGivingUp]

22. I will not vote for Hillary, and I believe if she gets the nomination, we're looking at 4 more years

of a repuke president.

[porphyrian]

26. It's not necessary to revolt before the primaries.

She hasn't been nominated. No one has. However, the republicunts and the corporate media have been trying to frame her as our nominee for years now, so they're either sure they can beat her or they've got her in their pocket.

[Jacobin]

27. Do you think the anti war vote will be revved up for her nomination?

I know I'm not.

How many millions of votes will she lose for people who listen to the republic candidate and the democratic candidate saying almost the same thing about Iraq? I think quite a few.

[marions ghost]

28. so what do people think about the Rove statement

about Hillary as "flawed candidate" ...one theory bandied around on Olbermann tonight was that it's Rovian 'reverse psychology' (in other words bringing out defenders and making her stronger). We all know the far right is just itching for a Hillary candidacy. Can Rove, being such a lightning rod figure for our side--influence the election by what he says as a free agent?

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There IS a progressive/antiwar distaste for Hillary--where u been?

But in the position we're in...we can't afford to tear down any of the Dems too much. Some are trying to keep factionalism in check & thwart attempts to divide Dems. The old divide and conquer is easily used when there are so many relatively attractive candidates on the spectrum.

And yet there are big distinctions....I don't think we have to take Hill's candidacy as inevitable at this point.

[Robbien]

30. What would this revolt look like?

Here at DU (and at most online sites) Clinton is only supported by a very vocal very small minority. The other candidates such as Edwards/Kucinich get a ton of supporting posts.

Revolting against Hillary would mean what? Posting nasty stuff on Clinton threads? Big Deal.