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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:00 PM
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Sibel Edmonds: Prostitutes, Pimps & Pitchforks
Last week former FBI translator, and head of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, Sibel Edmonds sent a letter to NSWBC members expressing some frustration with the current congress on their failure to follow up on their promises to hold hearings into various whistleblower cases.

Sibel is looking for suggestions about how to get congress to actually, you know, do something.

After years of activism, Sibel has concluded that:
There are only three parties of interests in this government, in this town. The Prostitutes=Congressmen/Senators, the Pimps=the lobbyists, and the Fat Cat Clients= incompetent bureaucrats in charge, MIC, Oil, Contractors, etc


The letter, and some of my comments are below.

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Here is Sibel's letter (with permission):

Greetings,


I know some of you have been wondering about the status of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition and our campaigns, and I have received many e-mails and phone calls with regard to our current position and future activities.

I haven’t done anything further as far as Congress is concerned and here is why:

For several years, until the last November elections, we were told by Democrats in Congress that the only reason our demands for real oversight, accountability, and bringing openness to our government by holding congressional hearings on many whistleblower cases, were not being acted upon, was that the big bad majority, the Republicans, were blocking such attempts/moves. Frankly, I was gullible enough to buy that excuse, thus, like many of you, I held my breath and waited for the results from last November’s elections, and sighed with relief when that ‘big bad’ majority was changed.

After the new congressional session began, in January 2007, we went back to those previously minority offices that had given us many promises and lots of encouragement, and low and behold, we were told that other than some changes in Whistleblower protection laws, they had no plans for holding hearings on our cases, nor did they have any plans to address our most important objective: Accountability.

When we insisted upon holding these cowards to their repeated past promises, they, the new majority, decided to cease all contacts and correspondence with us. Our so-called representatives, such as Waxman (and his committee’s previously supportive staff members) have ceased to even take calls from NSWBC or its members. The fascinating change in Chairman Waxman of the so-called ‘Government Reform Committee’ can only be described as a transformation from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde




(cheesy lolWaxman Jekyll/Hyde image by me. see here for my recent diary on Waxman finally speaking out on Sibel's case and saying nothing)

More Sibel:
What happened to those hearings promised to us (to our organizations, our members, and other whistleblowers)? Here are a few we requested during our many sessions/meeting prior to the last elections:

1- A series of hearing on TSA whistleblowers and their cases. This agency has been creating more whistleblower than all other agencies combined! We have so many TSA whistleblowers with established, documented, and collaborated backings!

2- A hearing on DEA whistleblowers in Sandy Gonzalez’ case & the House of Death cover up.

3- A series of hearing on FBI whistleblowers.

4- A hearing on my case dealing with government gag orders, retroactive classification and state secrets privilege. The demand for this particular hearing, on my case, was backed by transpartisan organizations in a petition signed by 15000 Americans, and sent to Waxman’s office by each supporting organization.

5- A series of hearings on Air Marshall cases. Their issue has been in the press almost on a daily basis for the past two years. What more does it take to illustrate its importance?!! Jeff Black now has a large group of these courageous whistleblowers, all ready to testify and shed light on the disastrous state of affairs there.

6- A hearing on our partner organization’s case (Veterans Affairs Whistleblowers Coalition VAWBC ); a group of VA doctors who have been fighting for the lives and health of our men & women who have placed our country above their own lives. (see here for more on Hillary's performance on VAWBC)

In addition to our own members and partner whistleblower groups, these representatives had promised hearings for other whistleblowers who have been fighting for years, pursuing oversight and accountability. People like Bunny Greenhouse (DOD; contract fraud & Halliburton Case).


More Sibel:
Well, dear members, guess what? We have done all we could re the Congress. You may disagree with me, but I now consider that strategy futile. Who are we going to pursue this time? Who are we going to blame? Obviously it is not about partisanship, and we have been saying this all along.

After dealing with this Congress and living the daily life of a typical Washington DC advocate/activist, here is my conclusion:

There are only three parties of interests in this government, in this town. The Prostitutes=Congressmen/Senators, the Pimps=the lobbyists, and the Fat Cat Clients= incompetent bureaucrats in charge, MIC (Military Industrial Complex), Oil, Contractors, etc. We, the American People, our interests, our security, our tax dollars, our health, our future, have no place in this equation; what-so-ever.


Ahhh. Sibel has such a way with words.

More Sibel:
The mainstream media could have, and can, do so much to change this reality. Unfortunately they are not doing it. So, I turn to you, and ask you, ‘What do you believe we should do?’ I know many of you, like me, are exhausted; beaten up. I am asking you, since the Congress has proven to be no representatives of our country, our people, ‘Where do you want us to turn our attention/focus to?’

I am out of ideas, so please, if you are still interested, let me know what it is, or, who it is, that we should be pursuing for our objectives: Oversight, Accountability, & Justice

How about you lot? Any ideas?

Let me just pre-empt one frequent suggestion - that Sibel just 'tell all.' Sibel has thought long & hard about this issue and has concluded/decided that if she did that, it would simply be another 'one day story' - without any follow-up or accountability.

It's difficult to argue with her, given how appallingly she has been treated so far by both Congress and the Mainstream Media (and others). Her case was investigated by the Department of Justice Inspector General and her claims were confirmed. The report is still classified. Various congressional offices (Waxman, Leahy, Grassley) have read the classified report and conducted their own investigations, included calling witnesses etc, and again her claims were confirmed, and none denied - and yet, nothing happened. The US media has been appalling too, refusing to discuss all but the most trivial of her claims ('mistranslations').


(For an overview of Sibel's case, see What the heck is Sibel Edmonds' Case about? And why should I care? Or for a really short version, see my post from yesterday with an old speech that Sibel gave at the ACLU.)

We need to find a way to get her case in the public record - whether it is declassifying, or leaking, the Inspector General's report, or public hearings in Congress, or...? Who has any good ideas?


More Sibel:
A while back one of our members, who happens to be my best friend, Steve, offered one viable alternative: ‘Pitch Forks.’ At the time, I rolled my eyes, and dismissed it as a joke. Today, I see it as the only way to literally ‘clean house’ and turn this monster into what it is supposed to be: The government of the people, by the people, for the people.

The Founding Fathers of our country gave us a free nation, gave us a Constitution to guide us, and gave us warnings as what could happen when and if we, the people of the country, let down our guard, become complacent, become lazy, become self-absorbed. Of them, Jefferson was the most prolific writer, so in closing I chose a few quotes from him – to help underscore what we face today:

* "The greatest which could befall submission to a government of unlimited powers." --Thomas Jefferson


* "If once become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions." --Thomas Jefferson


* "Who will govern the governors?" There is only one force in the nation that can be depended upon to keep the government pure and the governors honest, and that is the people themselves. They alone, if well informed, are capable of preventing the corruption of power, and of restoring the nation to its rightful course if it should go astray. They alone are the safest depository of the ultimate powers of government. --Thomas Jefferson on Politics and Government


So, yes, maybe “Pitch Forks” isn’t such a bad idea after all.

Here is Waxman’s recent comment re: ‘I don’t recall ever promising whistleblowers like Edmonds any hearings…’

I am looking forward to hearing your suggestions and responses.


So what have you got?

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:09 PM
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1. Frustration so far.
Hope is low too. But I'll keep trying.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:20 PM
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2. frustration
there sure is plenty of that to go around.

still, we fight.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:24 PM
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3. I'm going to work late tonight gathering what I can
and send the information by courier to participants at a Federal prosecutors forum held tomorrow night given by the NC Institute for Constitutional Law and to the reporters covering the event. Whether that will amount to anything is anyone's guess. That's my current thing. Or should I just give up?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:32 PM
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4. fingers crossed
As sibel says in that speech that i posted yesterday (http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2007/08/sibel-... ) everything - from the constitution down - are just 'printed words' (and lies at that) unless they are also reflected in Real Life.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:35 PM
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5. The "printed words" part is what I intend to stress.
We'll see what happens. Might want to cross your toes as well. ;-)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:45 PM
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6. sibel emphasizes that in the speech
she actually repeats, angrily, 'printed words' (the repeat wasn't in the prepared text)
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 05:42 PM
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7. Congressional hearings are what's...
...needed and it does not appear that the current bunch of spineless nothings trying to pass for representatives of the people have any intention of holding them. The problem is they don't answer to the people, they answer to the AIPAC/PNAC Neocon power elites.

I'm afraid we have a very tough road ahead. Most citizens sense something is very wrong, maybe even realize our country is dying, but they don't know what to do about it. Even here at DU many cling to the illusion of recapturing our country and restoring a functional democracy working within the system -- it's not going to happen. Between rigged elections, black ops false flag operations, and having been stripped of virtually ALL our civil liberties, there is now simply no chance to prevail working within the system.

If "pitchforks" means massive, well organized, nonviolent noncooperation, I'm all for it, but it seems things are going to have to become much much worse (painful to think about) before the required numbers can be organized and mobilized. And unfortunately, time is not on our side -- these illegitimate fascist criminals become more well entrenched, emboldened, and dangerous with each passing day.

The international community came together, the U.S. prominent among them, to rescue the world from the Nazis some 60 plus years ago -- now it seems the world once again needs rescuing, this time FROM the U.S.

I feel for Sibel Edmonds being in such a difficult and frustrating position. I wish I had some answers for her. I feel badly that we, collectively (Congress, MSM, the citizenry), have turned our backs on such a brave and patriotic woman. Call me melodramatic, but I would venture to say: As goes the Sibel Edmonds case so goes our nation, if we let it die, our country, as we once knew it, dies with it.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 06:33 PM
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8. canary in the coalmine
You are right.

I've taken to referring to sibel as the canary in the coalmine. All this horrible stuff that is becoming (increasingly) obvious to everyone now (use of secrecy and classificatin to hide criminal wrongdoing etc) was evident in her case 5 years ago - and she's been trying to warn us ever since.

If she'd been silent all these years till now, she'd be on the front page of every newspaper and blog every day.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 06:57 PM
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9. Kick! How about another rec?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:14 PM
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10. number 5...and this story shows just HOW little we're ever going to find out about
Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 07:16 PM by Gabi Hayes
this story, how little will be done about it, and how DEEPLY corrupted/neutralized our 'representatives' are, by forces (for lack of a less tinfoilish sounding word) that we'll never find out about either

you know there are reasons why nothing is being done, and none of them bear the light of scrutiny

I hold all here who are doing their best to open the fetid, noxious can of worms inhabited by the likes of the FBI, Hastert (you know better than I the names of the players) in the highest regard, but I wish I had any confidence that it will ever make a difference, given the performance of our Achordate Party leaders

speaking of which, my wallpaper:



heard these interviews, btw?

1] (Apr 17, 2004) <2> (July 10, 2004) <3> (Feb 26, 2005) <4> (Jan 22, 2005) This is Hell radio interviews.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=this+is+hell+sibel...

the This is Hell interviews are at the sixth entry from the very bottom of the Wiki page
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:32 PM
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11. it's difficult not being tinfoily
thnx for the What Is Hell links - i wasn't familiar with them. downloading now...

And yep, it's difficult to keep optimistic... What a stinking bunch...
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:45 PM
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13. lukery, I googled 'thisishell edmonds' and the first thing I looked up was this
great site that was all about Sibel

guess whose it was?

har

didn't know you were an Aussie

btw This is Hell is a most excellent radio show, with extensive archives. his guest list is probably the best of any show I've ever come across.

http://www.thisishell.net /

they broadcast live every Saturday morning at 9AM CDT. I have no inkling of what that is where you are, but the archives are updated weekly.

also check the audio essays of Jeff Dorchen, which are often of near-genius insight

http://www.mejeffdorchen.oblivio.com /

here's one of my favorites

http://www.mejeffdorchen.oblivio.com/moments/moment_bea...

Magic Beans, with the key passage, very aptly put:

''....there's really no finite supply of publicity stunts. In fact, the art of governing has become the art of producing publicity stunts. And a really good policy maker is a guy who can come up with an engine for producing a long chain of publicity stunts that seem to follow logically from one to the next, based on some kind of principle or other. Like "family values' or 'the strong, independent American.' Or 'Jesus is Lord.' Or 'poor people just don't have what it takes." Or 'War on Terrorism.' ''

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:59 PM
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14. 'all about sibel'
lol - that's for sure...

i used to know an aussie woman with the same name as you...?

i'll check out some of that Thisishell - it sounds great. I've never heard of it before.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 08:02 PM
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15. isn't this you, too?
Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 08:04 PM by Gabi Hayes
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2005/08/sibel-edmonds-...

wait'll you check thisishell's archives:

from Chomsky to Palast to Terry Jones to, well, more progressive voices, with longer, in depth interviews than you'll hear anywhere else....when they're not being pre-empted by Northwestern University "athletics"

it's a four hour show
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 08:06 PM
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16. sure is.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 08:09 PM
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17. you mean Gabi Hayes? ha. it's a takeoff on this
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 08:28 PM
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18. lol - yep 'Gabi Hayes'
that's funny.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:43 PM
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12. Well I know one "one size fits all" tactic...

...Whether we are headed towards Mad Max, Bladerunner, Brazil, or Gaticca, building communities can only help in the end.

By this I mean finding people you can trust a bit, and leveraging that trust to create small, independent networks that support as many of our needs as possible.

Here in Internet land we are well connected but lack the element of trust -- there's no security out here; it's pretty much no-man's land with practically no law and no way to vet anything.

On the really local (family/neighborhood) level it's easier to build trust relationships, but not to get well connected as usually those relationships are with people who are in the exact same boat as you, and there's limited benefit to be had from "trading" with someone that has what you have and lacks what you lack.

I watched this recently and found it very interesting, for those who have a modicum of capital and/or influence.

And as always I kinda wonder why with the readily available tools we have to keep the government out of our business, and with the advent of "Web 2.0" social networking, we don't yet have a plethora of p2p applications tackling the trust issue online that prevents non-geographical communities from building up local mini-economies. Then I remember that people seem to have abandoned the concept of computer security in frustration (and as such, since they are insecure, they cannot be fully trusted.)

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 08:53 PM
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19. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:25 AM
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20. .
:kick:
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:20 AM
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21. K&R
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:34 PM
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22. She needs a champion
She needs a champion in the senate and/or in the press who will work on her (and our) behalf with the vigor, insistence, and dogged determination that matches the drumbeat of hate produced by Dobbs or Gibson every day.

Problem is...let's say that every single voter in America becomes aware of the issue. What then? Sibel is so toxic that the courts, the FBI, congress, the press, and the executive branch all appear have stiff-armed her for 4 years. What kind of pressure would cause them to abandon this self-protection they feel is needed? Is there any amount of public pressure that can over-turn a system-wide bunker mentality?

She needs one person in the right place (Waxman) doing the right thing....but I fear that those types of people aren't put in positions of power in the first place.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:23 PM
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23. "Sibel is so toxic..."
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 01:26 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
No, I think you have it backwards. Sibel is not the toxic one (truth never is). It is the continued MSM propagated lies and deceptions of the criminals who run our country which are so highly toxic. Sibel is, in fact, a powerful anti-toxin that we most urgently need. And, as with any anti-toxin the more time goes by before administering it, the more damage the toxic agents will do -- if enough time is let to pass, at some point it becomes too late.

Championing her case and getting her story out is now OUR responsibility, as there apparently are no House members, or MSM figures willing to act responsibly on her case.

Yes, Sibel needs us, but not half as badly as WE need her. The clock is ticking.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:04 PM
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24. kick for Sibel
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 03:01 PM
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25. I may have a bite lukery.
Check your email. Might be something, may not be.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:16 PM
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26. new OP
Who are the FBI 'Juice men' in Sibel Edmonds case?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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