Kucinich Tied Clinton in ABC Debate Poll results.

[Perky]

Barack Obama 5,961 26.5%
Hillary Clinton 4,108 18.2%
Dennis Kucinich 4,100 18.2%
Joe Biden 2,749 12.2%
John Edwards 2,345 10.4%
Nobody won. I'm voting Republican. 1,010
Bill Richardson7 52
Nobody won. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race. 676
Mike Gravel 630
Chris Dodd 158
Total Vote: 22,489

[Gabi Hayes]

1. that's the best news I've heard in a LONG time!

it's not too late, Dennis

would he be the first formerly homeless President?

[seemslikeadream]

3. I took Zogby survey today

and said I would vote for Dennis!

[TahitiNut]

7. Ditto.

There's really no way to know this far in advance ... but that's where I am now.

[seemslikeadream]

11. I liked being able to type in

Halliburton Cheney military contractors

Who profited from the Iraq War most

[dalaigh lllama]

20. what a coinkydink!

I just took that survey, and that's who I put in, too!

[trayted]

2. Clearly, some people are more avid online poll participants than others

[jobycom]

4. Was this a scientific poll, or an online voluntary poll?

I'm not accusing, I'm asking, since I don't know. :)

[ccpup]

6. online voluntary poll

so make of the results what you will.

[jobycom]

8. I do.

I actually conclude a lot of things from online polls. They give me an idea of which way the Internet people are leaning, for instance. I can also learn which candidates have the strongest activists, based on how the polls differ from controlled polling. It can also tell me about the audience of the web site holding the polls, sometimes. And usually, I find that people polled online are more honest and more informed, in general. Which means usually that if Kucinich is only getting 5% of the vote in national polls, but he does really well in a debate, those taking the poll are more likely to admit he did well even if they aren't voting for him. I think that in general people on the Internet are looking for more in-depth knowledge than one gets from television, and therefore they are more objective about that input. This of course varies from site to site, too.

Which doesn't tell me anything about who is going to win the nomination next year, but it's still fun to watch.

[sallyseven]

15. On line

[ecstatic]

36. His supporters should get off the computer and start talking to real people

Unfortunately, the results of this poll are worthless as Kucinich has a small but very determined group of supporters (mostly online). If they truly want Kucinich to have a chance, they should get off the net and start telling everyone they know about Kucinich. He's running out of time, this must be done quickly.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. and you realize they ignored Kucinich for the first part of the debate

So that he tied with Clinton is indeed good news. He's getting his message out! Go Dennis Kucinich!!!!!!

[Maat]

9. Yahoo ...

says this Kucinich campaigner in SoCal!

[ElizabethDC]

10. Online polls are generally good indicators of

how good that candidate's supporters are at finding and taking online polls.

[porphyrian]

12. Now let's count how many times we hear the word "unelectable." - n/t

[tritsofme]

13. Well then Dennis and Ron Paul must have their respective nominations locked up

If internet polls nominated presidents.

[Perky]

14. The Salient pointis still being missed

Obama won
and Edwards ginished behind Biden

[goclark]

54. Ding! Ding! Ding!! GObama is the Winner

:applause:

[FogerRox]

16. Go Dennis

[unkachuck]

17. I was very impressed....

....with old Dennis today....he was looking extremely good, he was on his toes, and he was definately the only real progressive on the stage....

....I only wish all that good 'progressivism' came in a better package....alright, we'll just have to make some lemonade....

[lvx35]

18. That poll matches my impressions of every debate.

I've always seen Obama, Hillary and Kucinich defining themselves while remaining unimpressed with the others.

[DJKDJKDJK]

19. Kucinich is winning

Dennis Kucinich
7,094
Barack Obama
6,965
Hillary Clinton
4,641
Joe Biden
2,990
John Edwards
2,679
Nobody won. I'm voting Republican.
1,242
Bill Richardson
886
Nobody won. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.
833
Mike Gravel
751
Chris Dodd
176
Total Vote: 28,257
Not a scientific survey.

25% of the vote. It's clear Dennis Kucinich is very electable. Now the question becomes, will you vote for him and support his campaign?

[TheModernTerrorist]

21. hell yes!

it's about time we elect a REAL president for once. :-)

not knocking any candidates or anything, but.... YAY! GO DK!!!

[Wilms]

22. n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

23. Congressman Dennis Kucinich is NOW # 1

link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/popup?id=3493427

Dennis Kucinich -- 8,417

Barack Obama -- 7,324

Hillary Clinton -- 4,808

Joe Biden -- 3,043

John Edwards -- 2,771

Nobody won. I'm voting Republican -- 1,301

Bill Richardson -- 912

Nobody won. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race -- 888

Mike Grave -- l823

Chris Dodd -- 182

Total Vote: 30,469

Not a scientific survey.

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Some are supporting Congressman Kucinich because they strongly believe he can win. Others are supporting him because they support his agenda (or at least most of it) and want those issues brought to the center of public debate.

Mr. Kucinich does not have the funding of the top-tier candidates. Corporate lobbyist seeking government favoritism for their special interest won’t be writing their $2300 checks paying for access like they do for other candidates. But small donations DO add up very, very fast. That's how the Dean campaign became a significant force in 2004.

So whether or not you are convinced that Congressman Kucinich could possibly win...if you want the issues only Dennis Kucinich raises brought to the public square, if you believe his message of Strength through Peace is important, that the whole question of corporate control of government is important, that single-payer universal health care is important, if you believe American needs fundamental changes; his campaign needs a lot more money then it has in its coffers now.

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[Desertrose]

24. This is pretty impressive...considering the little time he had

to speak.

Actually,damn impressive!

:thumbsup:DK

DR

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. kik

[jillan]

26. He definitely had the best line of the debate

about praying to God that he would get called on.


Hillarious!

[PatSeg]

27. He has been really sharp in the debates this year

I've laughed out loud several times during the different debates when he spoke. His line about digging to China during the MSNBC debate was priceless. The "praying he'd get called on" was his best one thus far. In 2004 he was portrayed as a joke, but he's been very impressive this year.

[jillan]

28. If only the world was as the Kooch sees it!

He was great today.
And at the last debate.

[PatSeg]

29. Maybe some day, but probably not in my lifetime

He represents my personal idealism, but I don't think the majority are ready for it yet. At least he is getting his views out there and this time people are laughing "with him", not "at him".

[The Count]

58. So you go for the guy who yelled at Europe for not bowing down to W?

Nice job of trashing your idealism...or mucking the waters here.Considering your disabled profile, I'm going with the second one.
Which means, DK really moved up in the world!

[PatSeg]

61. I'm going for someone I think can win and has the ability to

fix the mess that Bush is leaving behind. Yes, I am an idealist in many respects, but I'm also pragmatic. My idealism would be ill-suited at this in time history to rule the free world. I was not trashing my idealism or DK. I think he is a remarkable person, but not necessarily the right choice for "president".

I was unaware that my profile was "disabled". Expressing my views is hardly "mucking the waters". Your tone is unnecessary and inappropriate.

[The Count]

65. Unaware the profile was disabled? ha!ha! That's a new one.

If you were going for someone who can win, you'd go for Hillary or Obama - at least MSM already declared one of them the winner. Biden? Say hello to Clarence Thomas when "clearing the messes". Pragmatism my ass!
here's your "winner" at his best - and this one he didn't plagiarize:

Rice Takes Center Stage at Confirmation Hearing
Democrats Press Nominee on Iraq
By ANNE GEARAN,
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050116...

However, Biden also had blunt advice for European critics: "I have one
simple message: Get over it. Get over it. President Bush is our
president for the next four years. So get over it and start to act in
your interest, Europe.''..........

[PatSeg]

67. ???????

I just set up my profile recently and I didn't know that it was disabled. I have no reason to lie and no reason to hide my profile. Of course, you might as well disable your profile, as it says absolutely nothing about you.

I am confused by your animosity. I guess we are here for different reasons. I'm not out to pick a fight with anyone and probably shouldn't have responded to your posts. Guess I let you push a button or two. Won't happen again. Have a great evening!

[helderheid]

30. not anymore!

Who do you think won the Democratic debate?

Dennis Kucinich
11,303
Barack Obama
8,525
Hillary Clinton
5,424
Joe Biden
3,298
John Edwards
3,089
Nobody won. I'm voting Republican.
1,579
Nobody won. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.
1,096
Bill Richardson
1,088
Mike Gravel
1,004
Chris Dodd
199
Total Vote: 36,605
Not a scientific survey.

[rinsd]

31. So Dennis supporters Kuch-ed an online poll. BFD.

[TahitiNut]

41. How DARE they? OMIGAWD ... what if they did that in an ELECTION!?!?

All them darn Dennis-supporters! :grr:

[The Count]

56. Who knew? DK had supporters? Wow! Maybe he is electable then!

:sarcasm:

[mzmolly]

32. Kucinich does not get difficult questions. He gets softballs that he uses to trash other Democrats.

If he used his questions in a smarter way, I'd be more impressed. I like so much about him.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

33. He trashes them because they deserve it

Not only voting for the IWR (when their constituents flooded their offices with phone calls and letters begging them not to) but voting to give the Bushboy unconstitutional powers, when they're mostly lawyers and should understand the implications of their vote.

[mzmolly]

34. And he deserves critique for assisting Republicans.

I was a constituent who pleaded and demonstrated against the war, but I don't think Dennis's tactics are intelligent in the long run. He should indicate the positives about Democrats and his opponents while mentioning what sets him apart.

I was a Dean supporter in 2004, I'm not opposed to calling out other Democrats. But, I prefer that we do so in a thoughtful way.

[The Count]

37. Um, primaries - do you know what they are?

I wonder now who is the Mr positive you're trying to defend here...Could be the guy who passionately sponsored the IWR?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2934244

[mzmolly]

38. I don't support anyone at this time other than the Democratic nominee and or Al Gore.

Kucinich did not support choice not so long ago, yet he claims to be worlds ahead of everyone else. Notice how he doesn't get questions on HIS flip flop? He gets about two softball questions in every debate, and uses them to lambaste other Democrats. Not very smart or "forward thinking" sorry.

[The Count]

55. I can live with a change on choice easier than with one on war (especially when it's

words vs votes). I believe DK has had a chance to vote his new position already - unlike say, Edwards who made noble noises about the SCOTUS decision confirming Federal partial Birth Abortion Act after he himself forgot to show up to vote against it.
DK is definitely one of the more credible candidates out there.

[mzmolly]

57. You're entitled to feel that way.

I happen to disagree. I don't think DK has been challenged, by the media or the other candidates. And, I think once again, that's because he's not taken very seriously.

Peace

[The Count]

35. Ha!ha!ha! Good one! DK is the darling of the media - gets free ride!

Easy for him to make a good impression! What's wrong with this picture???:wtf:

[mzmolly]

39. He's not taken seriously.

Never said he was a media darling, just not a serious contender in the minds of many. That explains the few questions he got last night. He and Gravel were all but ignored, along with Dodd.

[Forkboy]

42. Maybe they aren't a serious contender in the eyes of many because they keep getting ignored.

:shrug:

[mzmolly]

45. I don't dispute that at all FB.

:hi:

[Forkboy]

48. It's a catch 22 for them.

They don't get attention because they're ignored.They're ignored because they don't attention. x(

:hi:

[mzmolly]

49. Indeed

it is. :freak:

[The Vinyl Ripper]

40. My thoughts exactly..

Kucinich gets a free ride from the MSM?

In what parallel universe?

[TahitiNut]

43. All those at-bats! All them softballs! The corporate media is OBVIOUSLY in Kucinich's pocket!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yeah ... it must be REALLY good weed.

[mzmolly]

47. They're not in his pocket,

they just don't take him seriously.

[TahitiNut]

50. Uh-huh. But they sure did take Paris Hilton seriously.

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

52. Yes they did.

Perhaps she should campaign for Dennis? ;)

[The Count]

53. I heard Tim Russert was knocking on DK's door dying to toss softballs...

Not fair, I tell ya! :+

[BlooInBloo]

44. lol! DK fans are in for a rude awakening.

[rjones2818]

46. Perhaps,

but maybe the surprise is on everyone else! We'll know once they start counting the votes.

Go Dennis!
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!

:kick:

[TahitiNut]

51. (grin) Well, somebody sure does have a corner on the Pacific Northwest market for ...

... smug. Poor Bill Gates ... no wonder he doesn't get enough! :rofl:

[Jax]

59. Oh this is GREAT. Go Dennis.

The 22 percent loser corporate kiss ass Clinton supporters are gonna go nuts, love it.

[alteredstate]

60. Kucinich always does extremely well in the debates

so I'm not surprised he did so well in the poll.

[Terri S]

62. I hate to bust anyone's bubble...

but Kucinich was in 3rd place until his page at MySpace sent out an all points bulletin for supporters to flood the poll.... hence the huge gain at night and into the morning. I tracked it and chuckled to myself.

These online polls really mean nothing more than who can get people they know to vote the most for them. But quite frankly, if it will get him more air time at debates... I'm all for it. To think this in any way symbolizes a cross-section of America's support... sorry, don't think so.

[LWolf]

63. Just think how he'd poll if they gave him equal time! n/t

[Pawel K]

64. Next time lets beat Hillary by getting more people to vote 100 times each on some stupid online poll

I hope Kucinich wins but for christ sake please stop posting online polls, they don't mean a damn thing.

[The Count]

66. Were Hillary's supporters forbidden to vote in that poll?

My guess, after the initial tie, other people - like me - who do not have a horse in this race, felt encouraged, and cast their vote for DK.

[Pawel K]

69. Lets be real.

Some DK web site or blog out there saw this poll, had hundreds if not thousands of their users flood that poll while other Hillary blogs didn't give a crap. That happens here all the time, I'm sure you are familiar with DUing or Freeping a poll. The point is these polls don't mean a damn thing, if you want to believe otherwise you certainly have that right.

[The Count]

71. I don't go DK's blog. I read of the poll here and voted. Lots of progressives

did same. or you doubt now that progressive exist? That they should have a vote?
To me the polls that ignore our existence are as suspicious as this one is to you. You got used to MSM giving your candidate a free ride (as the designated loser to GOP-er), that any upset must be illegitimate.

[Pawel K]

73. My Candidate?

My candidate is probably going to be Kucinich. If you are implying Clinton is my candidate you are way off base, she would probably be the last person I would vote for in a primary. My statement comes from my own programming and web development experiance. If ABC published the IPs of the people that voted I would bet you 1 million dollars right now that most of the people voting for DK were repeats.

It would take 5 minutes to exploit this poll to show results any way you want it, almost as easy as exploiting a diebold machine. If you want to believe this poll I guess you believe the 2004 election results? Do all DK supporters a favor and concentrate on something that matters, wasting your time on polls like these does nobody any good.

[idgiehkt]

68. sounds kinky.

it does.

[bdamomma]

70. Dennis the guy knows what he is talking about.

and I just love his smile.

[madokie]

72. Wouldn't it be righteous if Dennis makes it to the top