Should O J's Book Be Published

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Poll question: Should O J's Book Be Published

Denise Brown can see no purpose in publishing O.J. Simpson’s book detailing how he “would have” murdered his estranged wife and Ron Goldman — if he was the real killer.

The Goldman family is going to publish the controversial book this fall, along with their own commentary on things Simpson wrote about the infamous murders and his acquittal, despite the Brown family's fierce objections.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20275763/

[bluestateguy]

1. Yes! I'm eager to hear how OJ's investigation into finding the real killer is coming along.

Surely he could give us an update now after 12 years.

[KansDem]

30. Hey, c'mon, give the guy a break!

Just because his investigations began on the world's golf courses is no reason to be so hard on him. He had to start somewhere!

[WI_DEM]

2. As much as I hate to say it--but Yes

I support freedom of speech and many people have written books from prison, and since he was found (gag) not guilty in the criminal case he has that right as well. Also, it sounds like the Goldman family and estate of OJ's dead wife will also profit (per the civil trial decision). I think he is guilty as sin and wish he had been convicted. The book is in extremely poor taste and I won't buy it and hopefully there will be many others who won't either.

[shain from kane]

3. I'll be camping on the sidewalk of the local Goodwill around 30 days after it's published.

[depakid]

4. This is just further evidence of Fred Goldman's character

The more I saw of that guy, the clearer it became that he was little more than a sniveler and a gold digger.

My guess is that privately (if not publicly) Denise Brown would have even choicer words....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Wouldn't You Be Pissed If Someone Lobbed Off Your Son's Dome And Got Away With It?

eom

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Sure.

But I don't think I'd try to exploit it for cash.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I Think He Wants To Make Simpson As Miserable As Possible...

Some helpless guy accidentially ran over and killed one of John Gotti's kids... A few weeks later he was seen being ushered into a van never to be seen again...

[JuniperLea]

11. Why not? OJ got away with murder!

I'd do whatever I could to get every dime out of that m***********r! Just on principle.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Nah, reasonable doubt.

Even if he did, that's no excuse for Goldman to try and make a buck.

He reminds me of the parents that sued videogame makers, playboy, etc. after Columbine.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I Think He Wanted To Make Simpson Suffer By Taking Away His Money

The problem is Simpson doesn't have any money but the money from his pension...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. I think he wants the money.

If he just wanted to keep the money from Simpson, he just wouldn't publish the book.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. How Is Fred Goldman Wanting Money For The Wrongful Death Of His Son

How is Fred Goldman wanting money for the wrongful death of his son any different than the parents of the young girl who was killed when a faulty pool drain sucked out her intestines wanting money for the wrongful death of their daughter?

John Edwards made most of his fortune defending folks like just like them and is rightfully lauded for it on this board...

That's what the civil courts do... They try to make people whole with the imperfect tools they have at their hands which is usually money...


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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Um.

What?

[depakid]

15. That's an excellent analogy

Although under the circumstances, I'd say Goldman's conduct is far more crass.

[blondeatlast]

27. But OJ "wrote" the book and would have cashed in big (I'm privy to industry backstory

of it).

With that in mind, I think it's fair. Fairer still is I'd like to see it way overprinted (not likely--as I say, I know the backstory to its original publication).

With no title and no author released, it had an initial print run of 1 million--and enough pre-pub orders to justify that printing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. Sure.

And?

[blondeatlast]

35. Someone would have cashed in anyway.

The book was recalled because even Rupert Murdoch was ashamed to be associated with it. He fired the Judith Regan and dismantled the imprint that bore her name--a real cash cow, btw.

Apparently several copies managed to hit the streets--distribution center workers aren't paid as well as star athletes, yanno. The publication was pulled (note that it did indeed go to press--it was recalled from the distributors when Murdoch fired Judith Regan).

The rights remained with OJ and were given to Goldman as part of the civil case.

[mondo joe]

51. Why not? Goldman was found to be entitled to payment. It's the only

thing left that can be provided in compensation.

[JuniperLea]

8. Oh sure...

Video tells all... you can no doubt tell a person's full character by what you see on film.

Gee, I'm betting you could diagnose illness that way too!

:sarcasm:

[depakid]

19. Actually, you can make accurate diagnoses

provided you have enough video (and other information).

It's done in psychiatry and psychology classes all of the time!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I Don't Think "Sniveler " And " Golddigger" Are In The DSM IV...

And sniveler is an interesting choice of words...

When should a father stop whining and complaining about having his son's dome lobbed off and the guy who lobbed it off getting away with it?

Different people deal with grief in different ways...

As I said up thread some hapless guy accidentially ran over John Gotti's kid... John Gotti had him waxed...

[depakid]

34. Maybe not- but recognizing a person with those characteristics

takes a lot less training- and we have way more than enough in terms of video and public statements over time to form valid conclusions.

If I thought this was about grief, believe me, I'd have a lot more sympathy.

Come to think of it, though, the comparison to Gotti may have some merit....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I Think A Lot Of Parents Would React Similarily To Gotti

If the killing was intentional and they thought they could get away with it...

That's why we have civil and criminal laws to replace the law of the jungle... Fred Goldman is just taking advantage of those laws like people do every day in our civil courts...

[JuniperLea]

36. Ah... yes

I recall Republicans doing this in the past too. I guess I was wrong about Teri Schaivo.

I've seen many of the films uses in psychology classes... not the same thing at all. Those instructional videos are of confirmed cases (or confirmed NOT ill) and all the symptoms are bullet points in a list. It's a controlled situation. Not the same thing as a film of a family in grief.

[depakid]

40. What we've seen over the past 13 years isn't a film of a "family in grief"

if that were the case, I might agree with you....

[JuniperLea]

42. I think you're wrong...

Do you know the Goldmans? The Browns? Spent any personal time with them?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. No -They Want Revenge

I don't blame them...

It's a atavistic or primordial instinct...IMHO , If ,in their eyes, the criminal justice system would have done its job they wouldn't be doing this...

If someone intentionally killed somebody I loved dearly I don't think I could ever get over it and pulling a Gotti wouldn't be beneath me....

That's how the Godfather movie starts- when the undertaker asks the Godfather to wax the men who raped his daughter...

But again that's why we have a criminal and civil justice system...

I'm not as much countenancing Fred Goldman's behavior as I am explaining it...

[depakid]

45. Perhaps you can explain how this is revenge?

That makes no sense. The judge already ruled on the case- Simpson gets no money. Period end of story.
Except that:

Last year, the Goldmans and Denise Brown were united in their opposition to O.J. Simpson publishing the book.

“At first we were all on the same page,” Brown told TODAY’s David Gregory. “The whole country spoke out loud and clear: ‘We don’t want this book published.’ I’m still on the same page. It’s the Goldmans who have changed their tune, and it’s all about money. How much money is it going to take to make you guys happy? It’s not going to bring Nicole and Ron back.”

Kampmann said he felt exactly the same way when the project was first brought to him.

..........

Kampmann said a month ago he would never have agreed to publish the book. “I thought it was wrong,” he told Gregory. “I didn’t like anything about it. But with the decision of the court in July, the situation changed entirely.

[AlCzervik]

13. i heard he was giving the money to Nicole Simpson's children.

[kath]

69. his son was brutally murdered - IMO it's pretty damned disgusting to call him "a sniveler and a gold

digger".
To lose a child, especially by murder, is the worst thing a parent can experience...


Sheesh. :eyes: :eyes:

[JuniperLea]

5. Excellent Question!

When I first heard of this book, absolutely NOT! OJ shouldn't be allowed to profit from this at all. But now that the Goldman family is in possession, absolutely YES! It makes a lot of difference to me that the Goldman family will profit from the sales. I may even buy it, read the Goldman family comments, then burn the sucker as the trash it is.

OJ is one sick m**********r.

[aikoaiko]

10. I say yes, and my answer has nothing to do with OJ, the Browns, or the Goldmans.

1st amendment.

[phusion]

18. Agreed. n/t

[treestar]

17. Yes. It's a book. Let it be published and then ignore it, but anything

smacking of a legal prohibition is too dangerous.

We have to put up with the Nazi's free speech, too. If we don't, the alternative is the government deciding what can be published, and we cannot get into that. Don't start it, no matter how painful the occasional word may be.

[otohara]

21. Didn't I Hear He Had Nothing to Do w/ Writing It???

if he wrote it, I'd say yes. If not, then no.

[AlCzervik]

23. it was ghostwritten.

[blondeatlast]

38. He's credited as the "author" and until late July he owned the rights.

It was clearly ghostwritten, but he claims authorship (which can't be transferred as part of the civil case).

Now he can't profit off of it (at least not legally) but he remains the author forevermore. I've done ghostwriting and if you want to survive as a ghost you keep your mouth shut and never, ever, ever claim any publication rights after the deal is struck with the publisher.

Someone will make a fortune off of it--but it won't be OJ; no way, no how.

[hyphenate]

22. Right now

it seems like the Goldman family only wants to profit from their son's death. I think the whole mess is better left buried in the past, as it galls me to think that Simpson got away with the murders anyhow.

[Kingshakabobo]

47. Bullshit!

Simpson was the one trying to profit from the murders by publishing this book. Simpson is desperate for cash so he decided to all but drop his denials of the crime so he could fill his bank account. Furthermore, he tried to structure a sham transaction to funnel the money to the kids, with their cooperation BTW, so the cash would be sheltered from the judgment - this isn't the first time Simpson has tried to beat the courts by sheltering earnings. Simpson got away with murder - you know it, I know it, and worst of all, Mr. Goldman knows it. How would you like it if your child's murderer traveled the celebrity golf circuit with a smile on his face knowing he was untouchable?

Goldman wants revenge. He only has one way to get it - through the courts and the civil judgment he received. Personally, I would have put a bullet in Simpson's head a long time ago and took my chances with a jury. The next best thing is to hound this guy the rest of his life and deny him any more cash than his moderately comfortable pension.

I hope the book is a huge success so Simpson can lick his chops at all the cash he WON'T be receiving.

[Madspirit]

84. I Agree With Everything Kingshakabobo said...n/t

[trayted]

25. Who cares? I'm sick of the media acting like Simpson is the most important person in the country

[KansDem]

31. Well, right now he is!

He's got a movie out now, you know...

[trayted]

48. That's the only Simpson I like, lol

[youthere]

54. He is..along with Paris Hilton, and Lindsay Lohan, Jenna Bush..but NOT Elvis...

that was SOOOOOO yesterday. :eyes:

[Bitwit1234]

26. Damn if coulter and all the republicans misfits can publish books

why can't the Coleman's make money (if they can) off this book.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

28. Published? Yes. Purchased? Hell no! n/m

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[Catherine Vincent]

39. Don't know. Don't care.

I don't care much for that Goldman father.

[underpants]

41. Oh hell yes and get Judith Regan's name everywhere! drag up Kerik and tie it all to Rudy

[Gabi Hayes]

85. only sensible quote on this thread. I heard her Sirius radio show one day, and she HATES

Kerik with adamantine passion

I wish she'd talk about him more.

not to say I can stomach her at all....

[Deja Q]

44. My book has more substance, and no tips on how to kill people.

No free CD or pop-up knife set in the back of the book either. :P

[spindoctor]

46. Wow, it's a tie. My vote is going to matter!!

And I pick.....yes.

I am against ANY form of scrutiny when it comes to free press. But remember people, just because they print rubbish doesn't mean you have to read it.

[sampsonblk]

49. Not by this money-hungry Fred Goldman. What a scumbag

If someone else wanted to publish it, it would be just another book to ignore.

But this dickwwad Fred Goldman is a greedy chump. He shouldn't be allowed to alter and publish this book. This is just too ridiculous.

[mondo joe]

50. And if OJ had not been found responsible for the wrongful death of Goldman's son, it

wouldn't be an issue.

Looks like you picked the wrong guy in this situation to find fault with.

[sampsonblk]

52. This situation is not limited to only one bad guy

Goldman deserves some fault too. All along, he claimed he was preventing OJ from getting rich off his son's death. But in this case, OJ was already prevented from making any more money on this book. So why does Goldman want this money so bad? He's not taking from OJ's pocket this time. So why such a huge effort to get and sell this book?

[mondo joe]

53. Only one person in this scenario is responsible for a MURDER. It's hard to see - even if

one accepts your characterization of Goldman - how that even compares to MURDER.

I don't know why Goldman wants the money - I can conjecture several reasons, including just wanting to rub OJ's nose in it. But he's entitled to it if he so chooses. He's not doing anything illegal or harmful to anyone in doing so - which is a fuck of a lot more than OJ can say.

[sampsonblk]

55. I make no comparison

Yes, its legal to be a scumbag. You're right.

[blondeatlast]

56. He has said he wants to giver the proceeds to OJ's kids but wants to make certain

OJ can't get his hands on it in any way, shape, or form.

I simply can't find fault with Goldman over this. I know the book industry and know damn well it was going to be published anyway (most libraries had put the cataloging in reserve anticipating future LEGITIMATE publication).

Rumor has it that the oh-so-well paid employees (note: deep sarcasm) of one of the book distributors got a copy (Regan HAD printed it, regardless what many have been led to believe) and it has garnered a pretty price on Amazon as a third-market seller.

[ComerPerro]

67. I highly doubt Goldman will be sharing a dime of the profits with anyone

[blondeatlast]

71. And frankly, I couldn't care less if he does or doesn't--and neither could OJ's ghostwriter

who gets paid prior to publication (I've done some myself).

But I'm damn glad OJ won't get his hands on it.

[mondo joe]

77. That's his business. He's legally entitled to it, and to do as he chooses with it.

Had OJ not been found liable, it wouldn't be an issue.

[ComerPerro]

64. found financially responsible for their deaths in a civil suit that should have never happened

[tammywammy]

75. Why do you think there shouldn't have been a civil suit? n/t

[mondo joe]

76. There is no legal justification for the suit not to happen.

It's perfectly legal and perfectly justified.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. How About Instead Of A Civil Justice System People Should Submit Their Grievances To Comer Perro?

Or how about we just go to the law of the jungle or the street like in Godfather One where the Godfather has the men who raped the undertaker's daughter and got away with it waxed?

[stirlingsliver]

57. Ler's See...One Guy Lost His Son, The Other Guy.....

Lets' see here.

One guy lost his son.

His son was murdered.

The other guy is "still looking for the murderer".

Yep, I think it is just fine if the guy who lost his son takes the efforts of the other guy and profits from them.

[sampsonblk]

74. Well that's sick

What honor is there in Fred Goldman "takes the efforts" of OJ Simpson and then uses them to profit from his own son's death?

[mondo joe]

78. It is customary that financial rembursement is the only means available to

remedy a loss. It's not adequaet, but it's the only option.

[stirlingsliver]

82. Not Sick At All

I'll tell you what is sick -- it's when some superstar takes a knife and murders his own wife and a second person.

It's when a rich media darling escapes justice because he is rich and well-connected.

What is NOT sick is when the father of the man murdered sues the person who murdered his son, and wins a judgment against the murderer.

What is also NOT sick is when the father of the murdered man goes after everything the murderer has -- including the murderer's writings -- to settle the account.

It's justice, and it's NOT sick.

[sampsonblk]

88. No, that's sick

Garbage. Goldman is not taking money from OJ this time. OJ already got paid. Goldman is getting rich off his son's death. That ain't justice. That is sick.

[stirlingsliver]

90. Goldman Is Not Getting Rich

Goldman is most certainly NOT getting rich off his son's death.

What Goldman is doing is using the results of OJ Simpson's labors to recoup some of the judgment that OJ Simpson owes the Goldman family.

[Geek_Girl]

58. Yes but I doubt I'll buy the book

nt

[ComerPerro]

59. The death of their son was extremely profitable for that family

[blondeatlast]

60. The killer seems to have made out pretty well, too.

If we ever find out who did it... :eyes:

[ComerPerro]

62. well, according to the state, we don't know

[blondeatlast]

70. True that, but let's discuss motive, opportunity--and blood with DNA attached

to a white Bronco that evaded police for hours for, well-why?!

Who else would have wanted those two people murdered? No valuables missing from the home--hmm...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. How?

I believe they collected less than $100,000.00 from Simpson... You can get that in a slip and fall case...

[ComerPerro]

63. they hit him up for $38 million for a crime he was acquitted of. How is that not greedy?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. He Was Found Responsible In A Civil Trial

Are you suggesting we cut off one of the legs of our justice system?

[ComerPerro]

66. you know what would be absolutely hilarious?

to juxtapose DUers quotes about the Duke rape trial and the OJ trial.

In both cases the defendants ended up getting off free, in both cases the defendants were wealthy males. So what was the one difference, the crucial difference in the defendants...

I just can't figure it out...

Hmm....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. In One Case There Was An Abundance An Evidence...In The Other Case There Was A Dearth Of It

eom

[JohnLocke]

73. The crucial difference was that in one case the accused were innocent; in the other they were guily

[mondo joe]

79. You ignore the fact that in the Duke case the DA said they were wrongly

charged. It's well beyond "not guilty".

That said, the Duke accuser can sue in civil court if she likes.

[mondo joe]

80. Cash is the customary method to balance wrong doing, as you must know.

Why this case should be different than any other is a mystery tome.

[slackmaster]

72. Yes it should be published; No I won't be buying a copy

:argh:

[Swamp Rat]

81. Yes, and it should be entitled the "OJ's Confession: How I killed my ex-wife and got off scot free."

And the cover should have a hideous photo of OJ with a bloody knife in his hand.

[ecstatic]

86. I find the continued interest/passion in this case (14 yrs later) fascinating nt

[U4ikLefty]

89. It's cause a black man married a hot-young-white-woman & allegedly killed her.

It pisses white-America off.

BTW, everyone please ignore Phil Spector and all that mess...lol!!!

I wonder how much lasting power white-America has in hating Phil (white) as opposed to hating OJ (black), but we will see.

I have my feeelings.

[Madspirit]

87. Yes, especially as Simpson will get no money from it...n/t