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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:25 PM
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PADILLA VERDICT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS
Edited on Thu Aug-16-07 01:28 PM by kpete
HUGE Victory For Bush Admin

Just Now On CNN

Jose Padilla is found guilty on charges he conspired to kill people in an overseas jihad and to fund and support overseas terrorism.

http://www.cnn.com/
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:25 PM
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1. Figures...
:eyes:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:26 PM
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2. Big surprise there....
... :eyes:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:29 PM
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10. YUP
:eyes:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:26 PM
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3. Horrible. Absolutely horrible.
I'm ashamed of our country.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:27 PM
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4. Oh barf.
Florida justice rapes us once again.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:27 PM
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5. maybe they'll hang him on American Idol????
:sarcasm:
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:27 PM
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6. "HUUUGE" victory? Try "No surprise"...
The withdrawal of "enemy combatant" status and substitution of charges far easier to prove should surprise nobody.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:35 PM
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14. huuuge EMBARRASSMENT and a propaganda tool
"Bush administration portrayed Padilla, a U.S. citizen and Muslim convert, as a committed terrorist who was part of an al-Qaida plot to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" in the U.S. The administration called his detention an important victory in the war against terrorism, not long after the Sept. 11 attacks."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:27 PM
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7. I hate these people. WE HAVE TO FIGHT THIS.
:nuke:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:28 PM
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8. Yeah, this is what JUSTICE has been reduced to in Bush's 'Merika.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:28 PM
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9. Unbelievable.....
Jack McCoy wouldn't even try that flimsy a case on "Law and Order." I would hope there is an appeal.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:29 PM
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11. All the Jury Saw
Were Muslims, and nothing else mattered. I think their decision was made before the opening statements.

So now Bush can declare any American citizen as an enemy combatant and lock them up without charges, because America is no longer the "home of the brave", more like the home of the cowering masses.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:31 PM
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13. "Were Muslims, and nothing else mattered."
Sadly, I think that you're right on the money.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:49 PM
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21. We are all Muslims to the Bush Administration.
n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 07:07 PM
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39. Exactly. n/t
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:31 PM
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12. I suspect his case
is ripe for Appeal. I mean, with the injustices shown him there has to be SOMETHING his Attorney can do to make this anything but the last word.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:37 PM
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15. And, the judge wouldn't allow this defense, or that defense ..
and this evidence wouldn't be allowed, or that, or the defense attorneys couldn't use this defense or that defense ...

what a travesty of 'justice!'
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:45 PM
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16. The fact the Padilla was tried at all is a huge victory for every citizen of this country.
Thank God for that.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:46 PM
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18. A huge victory over a low bar.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:57 PM
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It's not a bar at all -- it's a simple right for people in this country that had been suspended.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:48 PM
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19. Imho, we're aiming low. n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:59 PM
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24. I'm not sure I understand your point. Ensuring that our rights are honored is a noble objective.
If, however, our goal is to pre-determine who is guilty and who is not, then we've gotten confused.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:01 PM
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26. Woohoo!!!! I inhaled my first breath this morning!!!! A HUGE victory for life.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:05 PM
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28. Do you ever give a straight answer?
I can appreciate a smartass as much as anyone, but sometimes it's useful to cut the shit and say what's on your mind.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:16 PM
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34. I typed a word!! a HUGE victory in my quest to write a book! woohoo!!!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:21 PM
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37. cute.
I'll put you on ignore until you get past this childishness.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:29 PM
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38. I'm crushed.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:04 PM
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27. To be more clear: why are we happy he got a trial at all?
He is a US citizen. You or I could, under current law and policy, be picked up and tortured and destroyed mentally and the wingnut media could spin it as a victory against terra.

I'm not claiming to know the facts of this case in any way. But clearly, the way this man was handled is a crime all by itself.

And all of us are vulnerable to the same handling.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:09 PM
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30. I am in no way defending the bastards who, in all likelihood, tortured him.
And, I'm disappointed that aspect was not resolved to our satisfaction.

But keep in mind that this administration has been trying for six solid years to concentrate as much power as possible, strip away as many rights as possible, and really stick it to those who cannot defend themselves. This is not the ultimate victory for those who support enforcing our Constitutional rights, but it certainly is a step in the right direction.

I cannot label this as a victory for BushCo
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:12 PM
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I really am confused. How is this a step in the right direction? n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:15 PM
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33. Because it took 3.5 years just to get him a trial.
Left unchecked, the Bushies would have put him away forever.

We lost a lot of ground post-9/11 as Congress enabled the President to grab authoritative powers. It will take a long time to reclaim those powers, particularly in light of our chickenshit Democrat-controlled Congress.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:18 PM
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35. Got it. You're right about that. n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:46 PM
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17. Looky that! Torture works!
:puke:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:48 PM
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20. Padilla, Peltier, etc. When they are wrongly accused,everyone is vulnerable.
Fight the wrong that is being enacted.

It affects all of us.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:52 PM
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22. Yes, it does.
Edited on Thu Aug-16-07 01:53 PM by mmonk
People just don't realize it. But the US is not a free country with guaranteed rights. It's a damn lie. Torture is now a viable method of police work. America is no different than a Syria or Saudi Arabia now. It's a shithole.
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techhead Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 09:44 PM
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40. America is no different than a Syria or Saudi Arabia now.
I do not think you've actually visited those countries!

In fact, not an hour ago I was enjoying legal internet porn and I have yet to be punished ;)

I am immensely happy Padilla got a trial, because now he has the option to appeal and appeal until justice is served. He also has the right to sue the government for his treatment while incarcerated. This is a good thing.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:14 PM
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32. I have not been following this case
Is there a summary somewhere that shows his innocence? Was he some kind of activist, like Peltier? I am not convinced of the innocence of Peltier either, although I almost bought some of his artwork (it was sold out before I could). Yes, I saw the recent Peltier thread.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:57 PM
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23. It is not a huge victory for the Bush Regime. It is a major defeat for the junta.
It was never Mr. Padilla's guilt of innocence that was the issue. The issue was whether this trial should be held.

That there was a trial is a victory for the forces of due process and human rights. In case anybody needs to be told, that's not the Bush Junta.

The issues as to whether Mr. Padilla was denied due process as a result of his long detention and alleged torture are matters best determined by a higher court. Otherwise, a jury has found him guilty of conspiring with terrorists and I am satisfied with that verdict.

That Padilla was found guilty should prove that open trials are sufficient to determine the guilt or innocence of any one -- any one -- suspected of aiding terrorist seeking to attack the United States.

We don't need secret prisons. We don't need torture (which isn't reliable any way). We don't need indefinite detention. The judicial system wasn't broken until the tyrant Bush fixed it.

Now let's dismantle the secret prisons and the torture chambers. Let's abolish the military commissions. Let's repeal the police state legislation passed in the wake of the September 11 attacks. If any inmate in Guantnamo or elsewhere is suspected of a crime, put him on trial in open court. We have nothing to fear from giving any suspect of any crime the justice he deserves simply from the self-evident fact that he was born human.

As for Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, Mr. Gonzales and the other tyrants who planned and implemented wholesale human rights violations to which Mr. Padilla was subjected and a war of imperialist aggression to which the people of Iraq and America have subjected, they should be removed and office and put on trial for their crimes -- with all due process, of course.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:59 PM
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25. I agree. n/t
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:08 PM
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29. So why did they go through all that "enemy combatant" rigmarole?
when they could have just had a trial and gotten on with life?

Oh, right, same reason dogs lick themselves: because they could.

P.S. Will the 3 and a half years Padilla has been held as an "enemy combatant" count as time served? Stay tuned...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:20 PM
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36. 3 1/2 years in a military prison with no lawyer / not read his miranda rights

The charges brought in civilian court in Miami, however, were a pale shadow of those initial claims in part because Padilla, 36, was interrogated about the plot when he was held as an enemy combatant for 3 1/2 years in military custody with no lawyer present and was not read his Miranda rights.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3488260
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