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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:21 AM
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LDS newspaper headline: "Were union miners kicked out of the rescue effort?" (Deseret News)
From the Deseret News 8/10/07

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695199423,00....

"The mine management, at that time, asked our people to get off their mine property. I assume it's because we're United Mine Workers," local union vice president Mike Dalpiaz told KSL Radio. "We have no intention to organize their coal mine, we don't want to organize their coal mine. We have a tragedy and all we're trying to do is help a fellow miner out."

(snip)

"The Deer Creek Mine rescue team (the union crew--BAL comment) is probably the best mine rescue team west of the Mississippi," he (Dalpiaz) said. "It's my understanding they were told they appreciated their help, and they had it under control."

(snip)

Murray said there had been 12 rescue teams on site, but seven were told their services wouldn't be needed because most of the work needing to be done can be done best by personnel who work at the mine. The federal Mine Safety and Health Administration has said the other rescue teams are still available to go underground.

Murray has clashed with unions in the past. At recent news conferences, he (Murray) has taken shots at union "lackeys," accusing them of spreading misinformation. He has also accused the United Mine Workers of America of trying to unionize his nonunion mine.


All emphasis mine.




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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:24 AM
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1. The mine owner is evil. He said they couldn't dig cause of seismic activity. There was NONE
there was no earthquake or tremors. The only seismic activity noted in that area that day was consistent with a mine collapse.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:29 AM
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2. Yet the MSM doesn't question that at all when the evidence is all too easy to find.
There are plenty of seismic activity stations all over the southwest. All one has to do is pick up the phone to the USGS (and there are dozens of then in Utah and Arizona).
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:46 AM
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6. MSNBC had Walter Arabasz on days ago
director of seismograph stations for University of Utah.

Check this out.
http://oneutah.org/2007/08/09/utah-mine-collapse-turning-point-in-renewable-energy-clean-air-debate/
<snip>
Listening to Crandall Canyon mine owner Robert Murray on TV the other day, I heard him but saw only rainbows, twinkling stars and happy children playing outside in the middle of January. Here was the operator of a notorious facility in a notorious industry not pulling the community together and giving us the truth about what really caused the collapse that’s trapped the six miners near Huntington, but covering his own smouldering behind and using the free air time to bad mouth reporters, environmentalists, the Democrat Congress, renewable energy advocates and- perhaps most shocking of all- seismologists (how can you knock a seismologist, Bob?).

Murray probably stands to lose billions if insurance doesn’t cover the disaster because it wasn’t an earthquake, as he insists but the evidence refutes, or other act of Nature. Despite the evidence, Murray denies his workers were engaging in “retreat mining,” the controversial and dangerous practice of closing a shaft by knocking down the coal pillars supporting its ceiling, even though his company asked for and got permission to do so in 2005. Murray’s unapologetically torqued his employees and their families, the news media, the Hispanic community and- perhaps most shocking of all- seismologists (they seem like such nice people).

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1607671
<snip>
he University of California at Berkeley tonight confirms what seismologists have said from the beginning: The collapse inside the Crandall Canyon Mine was not caused by an earthquake.

As we reported Monday, seismograph waveforms have fingerprints, if you will, often showing the source of ground shaking.

That report, released tonight by the University of California, confirms what the University of Utah identified on Monday -- seismic waves recorded on instruments came from an underground collapse, not an earthquake.

Scientists say the disagreement between them and the owner of the mine over the past three days has been unfortunate.

James Pechmann, with University of Utah Seismograph Stations, says, "He's not a seismologist. I think his interpretation of our data needs to take that into account."

Scientists say seismicity in the mine most likely is coming from additional movement or failures, again not from an earthquake but from the aftermath of the collapse itself.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12571698
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:55 AM
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7. Great finds! The so-called "seismic activity" is so easy to prove or disprove
yet the MSM keeps parrotuing it. It takes just a simple freaking PHONE CALL to the USGS, but no, they can't be swayed away from the official unofficial story.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:29 AM
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3. This guy is so corrupt and evil there aren't words enough to describe him
He's covering HIS ass, not thinking about the six men buried underground.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:30 AM
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4. The backlash is coming
Let this scumbag dig his own hole.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:34 AM
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5. If the LDS newspaper printed that story, that man's desperate PR campaign
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 09:35 AM by blondeatlast
is doomed--and rightfully so.

One thing the Mormons do well is watch out for their own. I'm guessing some of their own are perishing/have perished in a terrible way in that mine...
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:14 AM
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8. The only question left it seems...
...is if there is a mine shaft deep enough that if we drop Murray down it, we'll never have to here from his wicked ass again...
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:25 AM
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9. IMHO Murray wants all the eyewitnesses to the criminal negligence
dead. Hence the delays and lies and turning away qualified help.

Another candidate for the guillotine, IMHO.
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