T or F? Hillary is the strongest woman candidate to ever run for President

[billbuckhead]

Whatever you think of her politics, I think everyone must admit she sure is a political master and tough as all hell. There's two schools of thought about which attorney you hire when you face the abyss, the most honest or the most ruthless?

[Trajan]

1. T ....

But it's a small field .....

[graywarrior]

18. I hate Brit

Just had to throw that in.

[NotGivingUp]

2. Well, she hasn't had very much competition. n/t

[Solon]

3. Definately true...

Her bonafides are OK, but just OK, with me, however, but she would make a decent President.

[Yael]

4. Can't do it. Can't vote for that corporate viper

Sorry. :(

[Dunedain]

40. Won't have to,

it's being done for you.
If I wasn't such a coward; I'd mortgage my house and bet on her being elected
to become the next president of the United States.
But, I am a coward; so I will just have to assuage my feelings of cowardliness
with apathy and indolence.

[gilpo]

58. I'd mortgage the shop, too....

Unfortunately, you are down to 200:1 http://www.sportbet.com/Lines.asp?IdLeague=315&IdSport=TNT">odds. Seems the bookies know what's up, too.

Nice post, Dunedain!

[question everything]

53. But if she is the nominee, will you vote for her?

If not, this means that you'd prefer a a supreme court full of Scalias and Thomases, cementing Bush's "legacy" vs. a "corporate viper."

[feistydem]

5. you're kidding, right?

it's a pretty small field to choose from, unless you're counting all those outside party candidates... and then it's still pretty small.

Joe Lieberman is the worst Jewish VP candidate ever, in that case.

[napi21]

6. Using your analagy, you always pick the most ruthless!

I ask ANYONE HERE who has been through a divorce, a property damage case, or anything criminal, what their answer would be? The end game is to WIN!

[jgraz]

9. Quick safety tip: never use another person's analagy

At least rinse it off first!

[Mind_your_head]

42. LOL

:rofl:

[Colobo]

7. She's tough to beat.

But Obama will do it.

[LoZoccolo]

8. Only if she decides to support more and more guns. n/t

[Madspirit]

14. "Only if she decides to support more and more guns."

:rofl:


Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen this OP post about anything not about...guns. Strange eh?

Lee

[Windy]

10. Geraldine Ferraro was a strong vp candidate who was saddled

with Dukakis...

[Ronnie]

47. Walter Mondale.

1984

[Windy]

48. Duh... you're right

[jgraz]

11. I dunno -- I think Carol Mosely Braun benches more

[Fredda Weinberg]

It wasn't easy, being Barbara Jordan

But I was proud of her.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

12. The strongest, feistiest woman candidate with the most integrity and

most no-nonsense attitude in my lifetime?

Definitely Shirley Chishom.

I heard her speak in the 1970s.

Actually, the gutsiest of them all was Belva Lockwood, a nineteenth century woman who ran for president back when women couldn't even VOTE.

[jgraz]

17. Excellent points -- Hillary's not even close

Speaking of strong women, why the hell isn't Eleanor Holmes Norton running? She'd wipe the floor with Hillary.

[Terri S]

20. Hear Hear!!! I was hoping Chisholm would run since I first saw her

She was the best!!!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

22. She was thirty years ahead of her time, and the big boys didn't like her,

because she refused to be marginalized in Congress.

She told of how her first committee assignments in Congress were Forestry and Agriculture. She went to the majority leader and demanded to be put on some other committees, because she wanted to represent her constituents in New York City. She was then put on Veterans' Affairs, which wasn't her first choice, but she ended the story by saying, "At least there are more veterans in my district than forests!"

[Zensea]

27. You posted while I was typing my response below

glad to see someone else knows history

[Lydia Leftcoast]

34. I not only know it; I lived through it

:-)

Shirley Chisholm came and spoke on my campus when I was a college student.

[indigo32]

54. I watched a documentary on her

she was awesome

[JerseygirlCT]

67. I have to agree there.

I sort of shudder every time Hillary is mentioned as the first "serious" woman candidate for president. I'm sure Mosley-Braun appreciates the hell out of that too. Was she a commedian and I missed it? (Not a front-runner, for sure, but I think she was serious about it, wasn't she?)

I'm too young to have very many memories of Chisolm, unfortunately. What I have are of a powerful, committed speaker.

[libnnc]

13. Shirley Chisholm was pretty damn great.

[mr_hat]

15. I'm more of a Shirley "Cha Cha" Muldowney guy.

[Zensea]

16. False -- Shirley Chisholm without a doubt

Not only a woman but also an African American.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Chisholm
Does no one have any sense of history?
Unless you mean by strongest, the one who has the best chance of getting the nomination, but that is not the criteria you have listed in your post.

edit -- I see that while I was typing some others posted who do have a sense of history.

[EFerrari]

32. HRC couldn't carry Chisholm's lunch.

And Chisholm didn't have the oligarchy behind her.

[slampoet]

62. HRC is the stongest Candidate who is a Woman. Chisholm was the strongest Woman who was a Candidate.

[Zodiak]

56. Yup....Americans are clueless about history

How about Victoria Woodhull?

She was a white woman running for President with a black man (Frederick Douglas) as her running mate in 1872.

Yeah, Hillary is sure making history....only for those that are unaware of it.

If she wins, she will make history, but not if she doesn't. The path she is walking has been trod on many times before...and by greater Americans (in my opinion).

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[emilyg]

21. Very informative.

:sarcasm:

[Zensea]

31. It's hard to be informative about something obvious

or if you prefer something that a case can be made for without too much difficulty, whether you agree with the case or not.
That is, I think the statement in the post you respond to is a bit harsh and definitely over the top but it has some truth to it.
I am more inclined to think that Hillary pushed her husband into running for president so that she could now or if not so that she could now so that she could be in a position of power -- hard to say if she had her eye on being president back then, but I do think she has had her eye on being in power one way or the other for a long time.

[feistydem]

23. ouch.

[bahrbearian]

24. I heard she can Leg Press 450 lbs and

Madeline Albright.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. Nope. She was too damaged by the Repugnicans for too many years. nt

[Breeze54]

26. Isn't she the ONLY woman to run?

:shrug:

False question.

[Zensea]

28. no - read the posts above yours

particularly Lydia Leftcoast's.

[Breeze54]

35. Please... hardly any women have run.

Maybe one, not sure if there were more.

But any woman running that is Republicon light does NOT get my vote!!

In my book, she is a sell out to all women!! :grr:

Stand up and be a REAL Democrat or get off the stage!!! :grr:

[Zensea]

43. Never let facts get in the way of an opinion

that would be so uncouth.
The reason you are not sure if there are more is because you haven't bothered to educate yourself.
But then why should you? It might get in the way of having a beautiful mind.

[Breeze54]

49. That was a nasty remark. Do you want kudo's?

Yes, you're right.

At the wee hours of the morning, I didn't do research!!

You got me!!! :eyes:

I tend to lean towards Mike Malloy and music, after dinner.

Seems to me, you missed a golden opportunity to educate the rest of us.

Instead, you chose to try to be 'clever'.

I'm not thrilled, as a woman, that HRC is running.

I would rather have a PROGRESSIVE WOMAN!! NOT A PARROT FOR CORPORATE AMERICA!!

She thinks war is great and the DLC!!! :puke:

FUCK HILLARY and Bill, while we're at it!! :P

[Zensea]

52. Ok, sorry about that - here's why I responded that way though

I pointed to other posts above in my comment, didn't I?
Sorry about the nastiness, but I already had posted above about Chisholm and I referred in my response to you to a post that Lydia Leftcoast had made above also about Chisholm and other women who have run.
So I thought I already had made an attempt and it looked to me like you had just ignored the posts I had referred to to make a side point and be clever yourself.
Therefore my nastiness.
Admittedly though, I didn't provide the post number, so I will do it now -- check post #22.
I'm not a particular fan of Clinton either for that matter, so on that topic we are on the same side.

[Breeze54]

61. I did seek the post you referred to but it was, apparently

the wrong post.

Chisolm was the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it still doesn't answer my own question.

Where are the progressive women we want as the president??

Pissing me off!!

I tried to talk my very smart liberal, already a company VP twice, sister into running but she tata'd me. :(

Women need to know that if they stand up, they will be valued!!

We are on the same side. :hug:

[Dawgs]

29. The better question would be, without Bill would we have ever heard of Hillary?

[DURHAM D]

36. The most appropriate question would be -

Without Hillary would we have ever heard of Bill?

[book_worm]

30. If your talking polls, true. If political beliefs--false. Shirley Chisholm '72

[billbuckhead]

33. No other woman has been ahead in the polls, let alone, far ahead

Clinton/Clark would be a winning ticket.

[Zodiak]

57. Dang

I thought I was the only one to mention Chisolm!

Kudos.

[TahitiNut]

37. Huh? Does the campaign have Women's Tees and Men's Tees?

What's with the implied double standard? :eyes:

[BlackVelvet04]

38. True.....

and she WILL be the Democratic candidate.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. obviously true

she's the only woman ever to run who actually has a shot at winning the nomination, as well as the general.

[Zensea]

44. Well, that wasn't the original point being made was it?

I can't believe some of the responses I'm seeing in this thread.
Particularly since they blatantly ignore Shirley Chisholm who was a real groundbreaker.
Makes me think that the lack of knowledge of history and the significance of the actions that have occurred before is endemic.
It's a little hard to give the American public trouble about being uneducated when DU posters reveal their ignorance also.

[billbuckhead]

50. Hillary has more support in the black community than Shirley ever did

let alone be the front runner in the primary.

[Zensea]

55. If that's what you mean by strongest, fine

I didn't get the impression in your first post that it had to do with something as mundane as her being the first woman candidate to be the most popular.

Popularity is one form of strength, sure, but it's kind of a simplistic criterion for strength.

Plus you are really muddling things up.
Front-runner in the primary?
Which primary?
Front-runner in some polls in some states, yes, but there haven't been any primaries yet.

[billbuckhead]

65. Best funded, highest odds in Vegas, most air time, etc

Hillary is a force to be reckoned with.

[HughMoran]

41. I think that is true

The fact that she has a chance of winning it all says it all.

[ThomWV]

45. Hillary is not running for President - she is trying to gain the nomination

She will never be given the opportunity to run for President.

[watercolors]

46. Of the US or other countries

Many strong women have won the presidency in other countries, we are so far behind the issue!

[BlooInBloo]

51. I heard she can bench press her weight - so yah.

[bigtree]

59. Shirley Chisholm

then Sen. Clinton

[dkofos]

60. F

[aikoaiko]

63. She is definately proving to be more electable than I thought.

I honestly believed that the first woman candidate from a major party and president would have to be a republican much like the first woman on the Supreme court had to be a right leaning judge offered by a Republican president.

[billbuckhead]

66. I love her "F" from the NRA

But then all the Dem presidential candidates have them except the liar from New Mexico.

[aikoaiko]

69. I'm sure you do, but then again thats probably going to hurt her somewhat.

I'm sure you disagree, but you're blinded by your obsession with guns.

[goodhue]

64. Shirley Chisholm was about as strong as they come

And had the courage to stand up for social justice without regard to offending conventional wisdom. Whereas Hillary takes pains to not face the ridicule of conventional wisdom.

[Marr]

68. I wouldn't pick the attorney that would ruthlessly seek my conviction.

That's Hillary Clinton. She is *not on your side*.

Unless you happen to be a CEO of some sort, of course.