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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:54 AM
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Judge bans Navy from using sonar off Southern California (save the whales)
Judge bans Navy from using sonar off Southern California
Federal jurist backs activists, saying use during training exercises off Southern California could harm whales.
By Kenneth R. Weiss, Times Staff Writer
August 7, 2007

A federal judge in Los Angeles banned the U.S. Navy from using high-powered sonar in nearly a dozen upcoming training exercises off Southern California, ruling Monday that it could "cause irreparable harm to the environment."

U.S. District Judge Florence-Marie Cooper issued the preliminary injunction after rejecting the Navy's request to dismiss a lawsuit brought by the Natural Resources Defense Council.

The lawsuit, along with a similar one filed by the California Coastal Commission, argues for broader safeguards to protect marine mammals from powerful blasts of mid-frequency active sonar that have been linked elsewhere to panicked behavior and mass die-offs of whales.

The Navy, which plans to appeal the decision, said even a temporary ban would disrupt crucial training of sailors before they are sent overseas. The Navy uses the sonar to detect potentially hostile vessels, including quiet diesel submarines, which one captain called "the most lethal enemy known" on the high seas.

"It's akin to sending a hunter into the woods after one of the most lethal preys known, but sending him in partly deaf and blind," said Navy Capt. Neil May, assistant chief of staff for 3rd Fleet training and readiness.

Over the last decade, scientists have linked mid-frequency active sonar to a number of mass strandings or panicked behavior of whales after naval exercises in the waters off Greece, Hawaii, the Bahamas and elsewhere.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-sonar7aug07,1,7765844.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage&ctrack=2&cset=true
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:45 AM
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1. Thank you Judge nm
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:53 AM
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2. Good news, for now. nt
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:25 AM
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3. Yey for National Resources Defense Council
May the force be with them.
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Help me help Earth Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:38 AM
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4. WTF? That's a terrible decision.
I like whales, but I like a properly defended nation much more.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:46 AM
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7. What a strange answer
Just doesn't seem to go with your "Help me help Earth" screen name. There are much more safer ways to defend the US than to sacrifice whales or innocents.

Sonia
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Help me help Earth Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:55 AM
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8. I'm not convinced sonar is as harmful to whales as this case makes it out.
Amusingly enough, the first two sites that come up under a "whales navy" Google search are the NRDC and the Navy's respective sites about whales and sonar. Both make a decent case for their side of the story. Frankly, if it's only half as bad (or good) as either describe, I'm not too concerned.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:43 AM
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5. AMEN.
"I don't want your war machines, I don't want your ghetto scenes."
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:43 AM
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6. Great news for the whales
Why can't we live in peace with these wonderful creatures. Bless the activists that took the case to court.
:applause:

Sonia
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:53 AM
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9. Wow, that took a long time to get that stopped.
I think the laswsuit was first filed in 1998.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:57 AM
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10. Mixed feelings on this one...
I certainly want everything done to protect marine life, particularly endangered species, but I've got a real problem with sending US soldiers overseas without the proper training to defend themselves. I can't in good faith sit here and complain that our men in and women in Iraq don't have the proper equipment and then turn around and cheer when we send sailors overseas without sonar training (sonar training being a primary naval defense).
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:48 PM
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11. Good news
I think if people had all of their senses scrambled, we would call it torture.
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