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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:32 PM
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CA ballot initiative 07-0032 could tip 2008 Presidential Election to the Republican
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 10:34 PM by swag
(snaps to Omaha Steve and anybody else who has previously posted on this)

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2007/08/06/070806taco_talk_hertzberg

The New Yorker
Votescam
by Hendrik Hertzberg
August 6, 2007

At first glance, next year’s Presidential election looks like a blowout. But it might not be. Luckily for the incumbent party, neither George W. Bush nor Dick Cheney will be running; indeed, the election of 2008 will be the first since 1952 without a sitting President or Vice-President on the ballot. At the moment, survey research reflects a generic public preference for a Democratic victory next year. Still, despite everything, there are nearly as many polls showing particular Republicans beating particular Democrats as vice versa. So this election could be another close one. If it is, the winner may turn out to have been chosen not on November 4, 2008, but five months earlier, on June 3rd.

Two weeks ago, one of the most important Republican lawyers in Sacramento quietly filed a ballot initiative that would end the practice of granting all fifty-five of California’s electoral votes to the statewide winner. Instead, it would award two of them to the statewide winner and the rest, one by one, to the winner in each congressional district. Nineteen of the fifty-three districts are represented by Republicans, but Bush carried twenty-two districts in 2004. The bottom line is that the initiative, if passed, would spot the Republican ticket something in the neighborhood of twenty electoral votes—votes that it wouldn’t get under the rules prevailing in every other sizable state in the Union.

The Tuesday after the first Monday in June is California’s traditional Primary Day. But it’s not the one that everybody will be paying attention to. Five months ago, the legislature hastily moved the Presidential part up to February 5th, joining a stampede of states hoping to claim a piece of the early-state action previously reserved for Iowa and New Hampshire. June 3rd will be an altogether sleepier, low-turnout affair. There may be a few scattered contests for legislative nominations, but the only statewide items on the ballot will be initiatives. More than two dozen have been filed so far, ranging from a proposal to start a state-run Internet poker site to pay for filling potholes to a redundant slew of anti-gay-marriage measures. Few will make it to the ballot. Many are not even intended to; they’re a feint in some byzantine negotiation, or just a cheap attempt to get a little attention—for a two-hundred-dollar fee, anyone can file one. (Actually getting one on the ballot requires more than four hundred thousand signatures, and the outfits that collect them usually charge a dollar or two per signature.) Initiative No. 07-0032—the Presidential Election Reform Act—is different. It’s serious. Its backers have access to serious money. And it could pass.

Nominally, the sponsor of No. 07-0032 is Californians for Equal Representation. But that’s just a letterhead—there’s no such organization. Its address is the office suite of Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk, the law firm for the California Republican Party, and its covering letter is signed by Thomas W. Hiltachk, the firm’s managing partner and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s personal lawyer for election matters. Hiltachk and his firm have been involved in many well-financed ballot initiatives before, including the recall that put Arnold in Sacramento. They specialize in initiatives that are the opposite of what they sound like—the Fair Pay Workplace Flexibility Act of 2006, for example. It would have raised the state minimum wage slightly—by a lesser amount than it has since been raised—and, in the fine print, would have made it impossible ever to raise it again except by a two-thirds vote in both houses of the legislature, while, for good measure, eliminating overtime for millions of workers.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:44 PM
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1. Oh man. I'm getting so tired of these creeps.
This sounds like another sneaky attempt to retain power.


We've got to keep this from passing.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:47 PM
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3. that's their goal #2, so suck millions of $$ out of dems that could be spent elsewhere nt
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:46 PM
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2. Californian Democrats or progressives who support this would have to be nuts.
Or suicidal. Probably both.

Either ALL states should distribute their electoral votes this way, or NO states should. It makes no sense for California to change its system while Texas continues to toss all its votes to the Republicans.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:54 PM
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5. They're counting on uninformed people voting for this.
And big big money is behind this.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 11:04 PM
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6. and uninformed people not voting. nt
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 11:31 PM
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7. Yeah, huh?
Still some Californians seem blase about it.

So I should probably just cool my jets and welcome our Mitt Romney overlord.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:53 PM
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4. Sounds like more
Repuke dirty tricks thanks to Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk. Someone should be keeping a serious eye on them. That kind of ballot initiative is very dangerous to Democracy in general and in particular Democratic Candidates and what make that so insidious is that its probably not the kind of stuff that most people would think about happening.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:50 AM
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13. Which is precisely why we NEED more liberal radio coverage.
THESE very Initiatives are driven..and driven hard.. 24-7 on the conservative radio stations. That's how these things pass.. People listen to "hosts" drone on and on aboud how good it is and how badly we NEED it..and of course, hearing no opposition of equal length, enough will turn out to possible pass a turkey like this thing..

During the 'recall' , this was how they did it,..They ginned up such a furor by 12-18 hors a day trashing Gray Davis, I was not surprised that he got booted out.

It's FREE advertising.. the "other side"..the staus quo, will have to spend brazillions of dollars to try to refute it..
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:02 AM
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8. Smart Californians (who elected Reagan and Schwarzenegger) are just too savvy to vote for this,
or such is the reaction from California's ersatz liberal quarters on this.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:45 AM
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12. I think the DNC knows better
They will spend money to defeat this if necessary.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:47 AM
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15. Do you live in California?
Because, frankly, the only people I've seen getting worked up about this are folks who don't live here. They couldn't pawn off their stupid Redistricting Power Grab on us, they're sure as shit not going to get this through- certainly not with Bowen instead of McDieboldPherson in the SOS office.

Bottom line? Yeah, we should be aware of it, but it also doesn't deserve any more attention than it is currently getting.

If I were you, I'd advise against losing too much sleep over this just yet. This country has worse things to worry about than us horribly inept California voters. :eyes:
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:33 AM
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20. Thanks for the reassurance.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 03:49 AM
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17. I live in CA....swag is right!
We have so many dumbasses and so many people who don't vote at all on initiatives. Awareness is good! Be aware everybody....and make everybody you know aware too, make the misinformationists' job that much harder!
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:34 AM
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21. I didn't mean to pick on California, even though it sounded like I did.
Hell, here in Oregon we keep electing Gordon Smith and making sure are schools and infrastructure are locked into underfunding for decades.

Hi, K8-EEE!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:19 AM
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9. I can see it now... They'll call this the "Vote for democratic voting" initiative...
And try to use word-smithing to fool people into voting for something that they wouldn't if they fully understood its implications.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 03:52 AM
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18. It's the "equal opportunity for losers to win elections" initiative
Yeah...yeah...that's it! Everybody likes opportunity! Just because they don't get the votes here, why should the GOP have to lose all the time?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:31 AM
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10. Is there a way to challenge a ballot initiative from making on to the ballot?
This 'system' would only be fair if it applied nationwide. At least get the same measure on the ballot in Ohio, Texas, Florida, and Georgia.

What is anyone waiting for? (do I have to move to a 'Red' state?)
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:36 AM
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11. I think the only way is to come up with our own framing and publicize the hell out of it...
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 01:38 AM by calipendence
Perhaps call it the "Republican electoral vote giveaway" or something like that, so people KNOW which side they should be voting on.

Perhaps another way would be to get another initiative that can really get out the progressive voters and have them study the ballots more. That way, hopefully we'll have a lot more "progressive" and informed voters voting instead of the passive ones that "do as they're told" by their local papers, etc.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:40 AM
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14. Divide and conquer.
Call it the "Divide and Conquer" ballot initiative.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:18 PM
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24. Hey we put down all Arnies initiatives, we can do it again
It gets a little tiresome though, maybe it's a strategy, sort of deflects a lot of people who would be working on Dems campaigns.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 03:46 AM
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16. Really scary....!
This is some scary shit, swag, my darling! NO NO AND A THOUSAND TIMES NO TO THIS BALLOT INITIATIVE!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 08:36 AM
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19. What's sauce for the goose...
Wonder how the Repugs would feel if we put that initiative on the ballot in Texas, North Carolina, and Georgia?
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:46 AM
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22. ballott initiative
California Ballot initiatives are almost uniform horrible ideas. As far as I can tell it's a way for a small fraction of society to place badly worded, badly thought out ideas in front of an ill informed public. It circumvents the vary reason we have elected officials.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:46 AM
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23. I got hit up for this ballot initiative...
at my local market a month ago!!!!

The fellow who stopped my had three he was gathering signatures for: one to make Alcatraz an international peace center (that one has been on and off the radar for years), one that I cannot remember, and one that would allow CA's electoral votes to be split based on the percentages in the final election numbers.

The guy tried to give me some spiel about how this will be more fair for Californians, blah blah blah, but I told him I took my ballot initiatives seriously and would sign something like this unless I was clear on who was behind it and what the full ramifications were.

Thank the GODS I had nothing to do with that shit going on the ballot!!! :scared:
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