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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:09 AM
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Here is a gigantic hint that the "other" NSA program was spying on Washington itself
Former Clinton administration official Sidney Blumenthal (writing in the Guardian of London) and Steven Clemons, publisher of the popular political blog, TheWashingtonNote.com, being interviewed for DemocracyNow, long ago gave us a gigantic hint about what the other NSA scandal is -- namely, that we have almost conclusive circumstantial evidence that some administration officials (notably John Bolton) used the NSA to spy on other administration officials (notably Colin Powell). This evidence emerged during the doomed Bolton confirmation hearings. If they were spying on their own Secretary of State, doesn't it stand to reason that they were spying on other officials and congressional democrats? Here are some excerpts from Blumenthal and Clemons:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1471879,00.html

Blumenthal in the Guardian:

The Bolton confirmation hearings have revealed his constant efforts to undermine Powell on Iran and Iraq, Syria and North Korea. They have also exposed a most curious incident that has triggered the administration's stonewall reflex. The foreign relations committee has discovered that Bolton made a highly unusual request and gained access to 10 intercepts by the National Security Agency, which monitors worldwide communications, of conversations involving past and present government officials. Whose conversations did Bolton secretly secure and why?

Staff members on the committee believe that Bolton was probably spying on Powell, his senior advisers and other officials reporting to him on diplomatic initiatives that Bolton opposed. If so, it is also possible that Bolton was sharing this top-secret information with his neoconservative allies within the Pentagon and the vice-president's office, with whom he was in daily contact and who were known to be working in league against Powell.

If the intercepts are released they may disclose whether Bolton was a key figure in a counter-intelligence operation run inside the Bush administration against the secretary of state, who would resemble the hunted character played by Will Smith in Enemy of the State. Both Republican and Democratic senators have demanded that the state department, which holds the NSA intercepts, turn them over to the committee. But Rice so far has refused. What is she hiding by her cover-up?

Steve Clemons on Democracy Now:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/1348223

The more important, in my view, question is how John Bolton has so frequently been a loose cannon in American foreign policy. And these are the areas that I have tried to outline most, one of which you got into with the N.S.A. intercepts issue. The N.S.A. intercepts are intercepts that the National Security Agency -- these are our most secret, most secret secrets in the country, and John Bolton may have very well have been spying on other officials that he worked with to get a fix on not only what they were saying about policy, but what they were saying about him. And that is -- that is the big question that we don't have answered yet. But Senator Dodd is working very, very hard to explore the ten cases of N.S.A. intercepts that John Bolton pursued.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:11 AM
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1. Bolton needs to be called to testify on this
It's pretty clear who was being spied on and why the * regime wants it covered up. The only question is whether they were able to gather enough dirt on the Dems to prevent them from bringing this to light.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:16 AM
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3. Do you really think he'd be honest? I see a case of amnesia coming
from him, too. That seems to be pervading this admin.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:18 AM
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5. The Democrats have subpoena power now
They would ask direct questions and he either answers or takes the fifth.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:22 AM
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7. So what? That hasn't worked in their favor yet. And I can see executive
privilege being applied to Bolton, too. If they can do it for Tillman, what's to stop them?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 08:54 AM
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12. A few differences
Congress has a pretty good paper trail already on this from the Bolton confirmation hearings in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee files. They can ask some very pointed yes no questions.

Also Bolton is out of office now, so that puts him in the same position as Meirs -- trying to assert executive privilege on behalf of an administration of which he is no longer part.

Also, Meirs argument is much stronger because she was counsel to the president, so she seems to be asserting both executive privilege and attorney/client privilege.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:20 AM
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6. I doubt Bolten would fall back on the amnesia defense.
The guy is so confrontational he's more likely to tell the committee that they aren't trustworthy enough to be given the information.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:35 AM
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8. I find it very troubling that the people running this country have such bad memories, don't you?
I think they all need to be screened for Alzheimer's or dementia.
I'm really not comfortable with such memory loss. I think it's important for leaders to be able to remember what they did or said in the recent past. I mean what if they can't recall if they're allergic to peanuts, or that you should always check that there is a floor to the elevator that you are about to enter? It's just not safe to have such a bad memory! :rofl:

I expect our leaders to be competent, and a good memory is certainly a part of that.

So, there we have it, just like we've all said all along...they are either incompetent or liars, or incompetent liars. It's just not safe for them or the country to have them in charge.

Gee, maybe we should think of getting rid of them...hmmm...isn't there some little detail in the Constitution about that? I think it's called



:hi:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 08:06 AM
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10. Yes, tis a puzzlement!
Not really; as usual, the question is, 'WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?'

:pals:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:10 PM
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16. Another puzzlement
This story has been floating around for several years and yet it has no legs. It's like a smoking gun, but no one seems to "get" it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:36 AM
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9. That's fine...another perjury conviction then
The one thing the Dems have going for them is that they're much much much (much) smarter than the Rethugs. If they have the stones to subpoena Bolton, he'll likely end up looking as retarded as Gonzo did.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:12 AM
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2. Give Dodd the support he needs to pursue this.
Drop him a note.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:18 AM
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4. These GOP fools still don't realize WE'RE the oversight, if they don't
do the oversight.

We're starting to put the pieces together ourselves.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 08:24 AM
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11. HA! Maybe THIS will kick some honor and truth-telling into Colin Powell!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 09:00 AM
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13. Yeah if you read the longer Blumenthal article
it's clear that Powell is drip-drip-dripping against the administration. That's pretty stupid, naive and unpatriotic. He needs to just come out and say where the bodies are buried if he wants to save his reputation.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:17 PM
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18. He has no reputation to save after his UN disgrace.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 10:03 AM
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14. Can Colin bring on a civil lawsuit using the ACLU?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 10:11 AM
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15. I suppose he could have back then
He could have joined the suit by journalists and academics. He would have been in a better position to have standing, because there is a prima facie case he was actually spied upon.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:15 PM
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17. Reminds me of the screaming NY tabloid headline from Watergate
NIXON
BUGS
SELF
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