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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:28 AM Original message |
Plan B rule sparks lawsuit from pharmacists |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. Nobody's forcing them to dispense this drug. They can quit. |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. that's the "choosing between your livelihood and your beleifs" part. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Nonsense. You can't prove it affects ability to perform the job. |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
51. I didn't say I support the lawsuit, just that I understand their claim, |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. If they get away with it, then yes I suspect you would be right. |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
45. How about a woman who gets hired as a nude dancer at a strip club |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Or a politician who isn't on the take |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. ??? A politician's job description is being "on the take" ??? |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. I think it was a joke. |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. you're serious. |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I apologize |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
121. Or a vegan who gets hired by McDonald's but won't serve most of their food? |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Its also looks to be forced carry |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. If you have a license they can |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. By that same logic, gas station could be requried to carry beer and grocery stores guns and ammo |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. If the state decides it is in the community's best interest |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. You have a lot more trust in the *state* than many have |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. The *state* exists for a reason and one of those is to protect people in the community |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
41. In that case it should provide it directly |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Pharmacies are also given the opportunity to sell things and have their competition limited |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Which is not currently the case |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Except: |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. If it is really a *Compelling Public Interest* why isn't the state doing it themselves? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Progressive does not mean libertarian |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Funny -- the state can require all manner of OTHER things from pharmacies. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. That is directly attributable to the security of the drugs being kept there |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. And the point of that security is........? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. I agree with you |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #43 |
58. "Sure, we can tell you where to get it. It's 587 miles away, though..." |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Any place in the Wash State or lower 48 where the nearest pharmacy is that far away? |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. You are asking the wrong question |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
102. Is there anything to backupo your assertions |
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Heddi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #102 |
120. Not all of WA is Seattle |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #102 |
123. What Heddi said |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. If the pharmacists have it *YOUR* way, it will be true in Dixie. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
29. It all depends on the nature of the business. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
70. Exactly. The state should not be able to force anyone |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Agreed n/t |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. "when Roe is overturned"? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Dembones isn't promoting Roe be overturned |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. poster said WHEN not IF |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I'm assuming |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. see message 91 n/t |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I know what birth control is |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. it's RU486, BTW |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Oh I knew it as 486 |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
105. I agree that it will be overturned, and in fact is being overturned bit by bit |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #77 |
99. A local pharmacy |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
91. Contraceptive pills and "Plan B" do not "kill an embryo" |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
101. But it is none of the pharmacist's business what prescriptions are being prescribed or why those |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. Concur...if they stock it they should sell it to anyone who has a script for it |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Sorry, I disagree. If things were as they should be, the state would not |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Is there any evidence that things "are not as they should be" |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. "Things as they should be" refers to life in general. As long as there is |
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dropkickpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
78. Not the same. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Pharmacists are not the average merchant |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Its cerimmonial, like the Hippocratic oath, and has no legal standing |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Uh huh |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Actually I support it being widely available. I don't support the state imposing it being carried |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Just like the oath taken by the President and Congress to uphold and defend the Constitution? |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. And you are quite correct. Oaths have no legal standing, the laws behind them do |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Practice ethics are not ceremonial |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. A pharmacy not carrying a particular OTC med is not a violation of proffesional ethics |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. If it is a drug that any member of half the community's population might need |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. A pharmacy is not simply a store. It is a LICENSED business, and is subject to |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Unlike braodcasters, there is no requirement for medical facilities to server the public interest |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I believe the state has the authority to require as it deems necessary. |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. You don't know what you're talking about |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #33 |
54. I am well aware of the licensing standards |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
56. What? And miss another chance to grandstand and play martyr? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. Thinkin some of the xian Universities are encouraging certain fields |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. if their deeply held BELIEFS trump their deeply held professional obligations, it seems |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. Fox News journalists suing for the right to only tell one side of the story. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. They actually won that case already, in the Florida Supreme Court. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. I remember that one |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #32 |
63. Thank you, TechBear_Seattle. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. I looked up the details |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Wow. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
62. Yup, "sickening" is a word for it. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Thank you, friend, |
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toadzilla (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. I wonder if they have a moral problem with dispensing birth-control pills |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I had a pharmacy refuse to sell me birth control pills several years ago |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Did you ever go there again? Buy anything from that store again? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
109. Not self correcting. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Your comment about abortion providers is interesting |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Or Viagra and Cialis |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. No doubt a lot of them do |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
81. Yes - they do have a problem, it's been a issue with BCP too |
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MissMillie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. Doctors cannot refuse to treat |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Actually doctors can refuse treatment |
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MissMillie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. They're not MDs but they are doctors |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. So a history professor under that standard, and your citation for "must treat" in from India |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
72. Doctors of medicine can refuse to treat anyone. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Why should pharmacists be forced to provide HIV medications? |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. They shouldn't be FORCED to provide any drug, but none are refusing |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Location, Location, Location |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. No one should be FORCED. But if they want a license to have a pharmacy, there is |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. Disagree with the state doing it, but have no problem with private contracts doing it |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
100. Yeah, it's those damn women - once the big P started letting them make |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
103. In most states they are not...they do it as a business decision, which will be the case for Plan B |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. It will not be the case for Plan B. |
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VP505 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
17. If your |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
46. Bottom line: these pharmacists need remedial classes. |
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dropkickpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
82. You and your crazy facts and science |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Not with the Chastity Ring, it doesn't. :^) |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
55. So women lose because pharmacists won't stock a pill to prevent pregnancy. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
57. Oh, brother. Somebody needs to be reminded that "pharmacist" is a secular profession. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
59. If you're a pharm and support this nonsense |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
61. Sweet, sweet religion. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
65. Get the &*^* over "religious beliefs" that involve someone |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
80. This assholes need to start their own damn pharmacy |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
83. If you're a diabetic, don't become a food taster at Hershey's then complain about the sugar content. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. That about sums it up. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Amen, brother |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Excellent analogies. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
98. Fuck these fundie douchebags. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
110. Assholes. nt |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-27-07 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
114. I have said over and over |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. That is happening with some private drug coverage |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Question: |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. It is covered by health savings plan |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Thanks for the info |
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lies and propaganda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-28-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
122. Precisely why i boycott CVS |
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