DeFazio (D-OR): "Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right"

[FourScore]

(THIS IS ALARMING AND UNBELIEVABLE!!! IT IS STILL UNKNOWN WHO DENIED THIS CONGRESSMAN HIS ACCESS OR WHY!!!!)

DeFazio asks, but he's denied access
Classified info - The congressman wanted to see government plans for after a terror attack
July 20, 2007
JEFF KOSSEFF The Oregonian Staff

WASHINGTON -- Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.

As a member of the U.S. House on the Homeland Security Committee, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure "bubbleroom" in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.

On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED.

"I just can't believe they're going to deny a member of Congress the right of reviewing how they plan to conduct the government of the United States after a significant terrorist attack," DeFazio says.

SNIP

"We're talking about the continuity of the government of the United States of America," DeFazio says. "I would think that would be relevant to any member of Congress, let alone a member of the Homeland Security Committee."

Bush administration spokesman Trey Bohn declined to say why DeFazio was denied access: "We do not comment through the press on the process that this access entails. It is important to keep in mind that much of the information related to the continuity of government is highly sensitive."

Norm Ornstein, a legal scholar who studies government continuity at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said he "cannot think of one good reason" to deny access to a member of Congress who serves on the Homeland Security Committee...

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/118489654058910.xml&coll=7

[Whoa_Nelly]

1. DeFazio is D-OR

Had to stop a minute and think....a Dem from Oklahoma? :silly:

[FourScore]

3. Oops. Thanks for catching my typo!!!

:hi:

[FourScore]

81. Pearliepoo2 found this:

I've done a little digging and found the HSC web page and the list of the majority members on the committee.
I don't know how to add a link to a post or I would do it.
Their web page is www.hsc-democrats.house.gov/about/members.asp
I see one of the members is from my home state (Norm Dicks-WA)and he is getting a call from me Monday morning.

Thanks Pearliepoo2!

[lies and propaganda]

28. thats funny because thats what i thought it still said!

My parents live there so i know theres no speaking out Dems there..

[Rene]

68. Is the story about 800 'prison camps' having been built around the US true? They're supposed to be

run by FEMA or HS ?

[Knightly_Knews]

73. Yes it's true...

"The main points of such a plan in the United States are to suspend certain parts of the United States Constitution and to allow the alternative use of federal land and buildings (including use as internment camps) by FEMA for the housing/detention of US citizens as required, as well as any rescue/recovery operations. It also allows for power in the US to be centralized to the White House and "appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law".<1>"

sad , but true.........

[sce56]

77. "Those who give up essential liberties to obtain tempoary safety deserve niether liberty or safety"

Quote from Benjamin Franklin




Pictures from the museum at Manzanar National Park yes it did happen here before!

[rocktivity]

2. If you have right to enter that bubble room, enter it.

And if they stop you again, have them put either under arrest on unemployment. Or better yet, pass a resolution declaring the plan null and void.

Any plans involving the emergency operation of the U.S. government should be formulated and monitored by ALL THREE BRANCHES of it.

:headbang:
rocknation

[FourScore]

4. If only it were that easy...n/t

[Clark2008]

7. He can go into the bubble room, but what's the point if the

documentation hasn't been provided and isn't there?

[FourScore]

5. I am surprised this isn't getting more attention.

I feel so outraged by it.

[frankly_fedup2]

33. Nothing gets follow-up attention anymore. Things are reported then we

hear no more about them. I'm still surprised that some things even get reported.

[Arugula Latte]

34. That's not true!

Paris Hilton gets follow-up. Anna Nicole gets follow-up. Diaper Astronaut gets follow-up...

:grr:

[jimshoes]

6. Whatever the plan for continuity of

government is you can bet you, me, & most of the Dems in Washington are on the shit end of the stick. In other words, the next attack has already been planned and only needs to be implemented at this point. The machinery is in place for the final overthrow of the republic. Hello dictatorship. And anyone who says this is a little too "tin foily" either isn't paying attention or is a disinfo troll. How else does one interpret an EO that allows the gestapo government to seize your bank accounts and other assets for speaking out against the fucking Iraq war basically.

[Karenina]

8. This guy is a little

S-L-O-W on the uptake. I hope he "gets it" now...

[anitar1]

36. DeFazio is far from slow, if that is what you meant.

He is one of the few reps I know of, who is very ethical . Best congressman I know of.He has served for many terms.

[stevedeshazer]

39. Peter DeFazio is far from slow. Watch this and tell me he's "slow".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=92DrbAB6x3w

You really shouldn't jerk your knee without engaging your brain first.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

41. DeFazio is one of the good guys

I used to attend his $35 pizza and beer fundraisers in Portland, even though he doesn't represent Portland.

He definitely knows the score, and his professed astonishment may be merely a way of making his point.

[Blue Belle]

52. Watch what you say about Peter DeFazio...

He is my Representative and he is a gem. Just because he is surprised by the overreaching audacity of this administration does not mean he'll put up with any of their bullshit. He has proven that time and time again.

[Karenina]

69. No personal offense meant.

And it's good to be set straight! I'm just FRUSTRATED that it is taking SO L-O-N-G for the Dems to come out swinging an ax. It's MUCH OVERDUE.

[acmavm]

71. Heard any of the others talk about this? Heard of anyone else trying

to see exactly what these felonious traitors are up to?

Slow? Take a look at the rest of the crowd, including Ms. Impeachment-Is-Off-The-Table.

[helderheid]

9. This is horrifying.

[NNN0LHI]

10. I wonder if DeFazio thinks the theft of the 2000 election was coincidence? n/t

[lovuian]

11. Wake up Congress America is in the process of being

taken over by King George

[bdamomma]

30. all the more reason why we are the ones to confront these assholes

our own Congress is being isolated and not being permitted to see records, now it seems we have to step up to the plate.

[FightingIrish]

12. They can't let a congressman, especially a Democrat

see the real government. This is about a clear an admission as we have seen that the democracy we thought we knew has become a convenient ruse for the Cheney government. I don't see these clowns walking away when their time is up.

[alfredo]

37. You know the classified section deals with how they will save the

Republican members of congress, but not the Dems.

[glitch]

43. Nah, the Republican members of Congress are expendable to Bushco too.

They think their lockstep will save them, but they are wrong.

[alfredo]

49. I really think they won't show the classified parts just because

they don't want him to see them. There doesn't need to be a reason. It's just pure meanness.

[PearliePoo2]

13. So, what's he is going to do about it?

It is happening people....doors are being locked, subpoenas tossed in the trash and their collective middle fingers are raised.
It's like the frog in the hot water analogy but all of us are frogs now.
The water is almost boiling and most of the population (half asleep) are just now realizing they are in the damn pot.

[bbgrunt]

25. it's interesting that all this is happening just before the

August recess and B*'s retreat to Crawford. It is like the Friday evening news dump--only on a larger scale. I know they don't like to debut new product lines in August, so I guess this is just the prelude to something bigger.....

[PearliePoo2]

44. It's like a massive "Summer Evening " News Dump

Right before the recess (like you said).
We all know what can happen when * is at Crawford.
The PDB of August 6th warned of the 9/11 attack and * told the messenger
"ok, you've covered your ass now". And then he did nothing. LIHOP?

[stevedeshazer]

40. What, exactly, would you suggest?

What can Peter do?

[PearliePoo2]

42. one lone guy can't do it

There is a big picture here and it ain't pretty.
I don't know who makes up the "Homeland Security Committee", but all of the members need to get onboard with DeFazio and demand a review.
First step: find out who is on the committee.
Second: call and e-mail these people. Rinse and repeat.
Maybe Google is our friend?

[stevedeshazer]

50. You suggest that DeFazio find out who is on his own committee?

That he call and e-mail them? I'm quite sure Mr. DeFazio knows who those members are.

Google? If you had done that, you wouldn't have posted this. Come on now.

[PearliePoo2]

54. ????

come on now......

[stevedeshazer]

57. Read your own post

[FourScore]

64. I think what Pearliepoo2 is saying is that

WE could find out who else is on the HS Committee and request that they all get behind this. The whole committee should want to see the docs that DeFazio wanted to see. They should demand to see them collectively. I think that's true.

[ProudDad]

56. He could sign on to the impeachment bandwagon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3392226

He's in the Progressive Caucus (and has been one of the good guys for many years) but isn't a co-sponsor of HR333.

[stevedeshazer]

58. Good answer

He should. Exactly right.

[L. Coyote]

78. Bush is the frog in hot water. I say, turn up the heat!

How did all the Good Germans react to Nazisim? Are we Good Germans now?

I wonder about all past elections, in retrospect. But, the people apparently re-elected Nixon and Reagan. Both were known criminals at the time of their re-elections (if you paid close attention). It is a real stretch to say Bush II was re-elected, but here we are again, with a "re-elected" criminal.

Not to spread despair, mind you, but what did the people in Germany do during the rise of Hitler?
They went to massive rallies of collective mania and cheered him on, not? While the few wise slipped out of the country!

It is very important to understand the differences today and in the USA.
We have an opposition Congress. The tables have turned.
Bush is the frog in hot water. I say, turn up the heat!

[Drum]

14. Good God...why aren't there people on the inside leaking about things?

Does absolutely no one have a conscience in DC??? It would only take a few credible sources leading some principled journalists in the right direction, and ultimately our government could be cleansed and restored.

Won't anyone under the thumb of this administration please speak up? How bad does it have to get?

[bbgrunt]

27. there have been plenty of people trying to speak

out--going back to Colleen Rowley and Sibel Edmonds----but the press ignores them. Besides, every time something does start getting traction, there is a new atrocity to be outraged about

[bdamomma]

31. terrible to say, but they will only act when there is disaster.

didn't they have enough evidence before 9/11 and waited until 3,000 died, they will not act until more Americans are dead.

[Marr]

70. Because Bush's people take oaths "to uphold the President", not

the Constitution. It's practically a cult. A cult of idiotic fascists.

[adamuu]

15. not surprising, i agree

but clear evidence of White House's intentions.

"I find it inexplicable and probably reflective of the usual, knee-jerk overextension of executive power that we see from this White House," Ornstein said.

[nancyr]

17. Scary stuff

I think we all know the Bush administration has no intention of ever vacating the White House. All it will require is a "terror attack", and the show is over.

[AntiFascist]

16. This is important...

and I think Bush himself even mentioned (in a veiled threat sort of way) this years ago: the "Shadow Government" would take over. This is funded by all the criminal, black ops, secret off-shore funds floating around, and could amount to huge sums of money. I recall reading recently about an $80 billion slush fund...

[WindRavenX]

18. oh Canaaaadaaa...

Looking mighty tempting right now.

[Disturbed]

20. "So, what's he is going to do about it?"

My guess, nothing. Does anyone know what he can do about it?

[redacted]

85. Seriously started thinking the same thing on Friday night

[KoKo]

19. Need to keep on this.....it sounds very creepy and another slap in Congresses face....

I hope he does something about this. :scared:

[stubtoe]

21. Yikes! Recommended.

:scared:

[Joanne98]

22. DUH!

I AM RIGHT!
:tinfoilhat:

[bobthedrummer]

24. You're part of the vanguard here!

:tinfoilhat:

[Joanne98]

26. And I'll up you a tin....

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

:yourock:

[AntiFascist]

23. "Congress Not Advised of Shadow Government" from 2002....

this is from the Washington Post article, March 2, 2002:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26212-2002Mar1?language=printer

Key congressional leaders said yesterday the White House did not tell them that President Bush has moved a cadre of senior civilian managers to secret underground sites outside Washington to ensure that the federal government could survive a devastating terrorist attack on the nation's capital.

Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) said he had not been informed about the role, location or even the existence of the shadow government that the administration began to deploy the morning of the Sept. 11 hijackings. An aide to House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said he similarly was unaware of the administration's move.

<snip>

Bush acknowledged yesterday that the administration had taken extensive measures to guarantee "the continuity of government," after it was revealed that about 100 top officials, spanning every executive branch department, have been sent to live and work in two fortified locations on the East Coast.

<snip>

"There are two other branches of government that are central to the functioning of our democracy," said Rep. William Delahunt (D-Mass.), a member of the House Judiciary Committee. "I would hope the speaker and the minority leader would at least pose the question, 'What about us?' "

<snip>

When did the anthrax attacks occur?

[frankly_fedup2]

32. I was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to bring up the Shadow Government that

Cheney runs STILL. I, also, remember when the news came out about the shadow government that was put into place after 9/11. I also remember hearing that it was still an entity running right along with our government as we know it now. They are just biding their time folks, biding their time.

[AntiFascist]

46. There was also something I read recently....

about an early warning system having been set up for the top-most executives around the country. They are provided with their own bunker locations that they can go to when notified within this system.

[althecat]

29. KnR ------ OOooooooOOOooooo --- completely biazarro....

I expect that bit of the plan was written by the bit of the executive that is not actually in the executive.

[lumberjack_jeff]

35. Can anyone think of TWO reasons that the government would keep secret..

... the nature and form of US government after a terror attack? Anyone?

Me either. I can only come up with one.

[proud patriot]

38. grr

:grr:

[Screwfly]

45. Scary shit

The current situation is starting to look more and more like that Christian doomsday movie "Left Behind".

[Mrspeeker]

47. I CAN!!!

I can believe that our government would not only plan the for a terrorist attack, but plan the terrorist attack itself..O wait they already did just that it was called 911!!!!!

And for those of you that just can't believe that it was a plan, wake the fuck up!!!

[FourScore]

61. Yep. And I am so afraid they are planning another.

It worked so well for them before.:scared:

[Auntie Bush]

48. Isn't that the peoples business? "It is important to keep in mind that much of the information

related to the continuity of government is highly sensitive."

Shouldn't we all know how they plan to run/operate the government should we have another terrorist attack? Isn't that our business? Why should it be a big surprise? Shouldn't we be rehearsing to work out the bugs? Shouldn't every person know what to expect and how to react. I want to know! Let's keep asking.

[abq e streeter]

51. your DU name----that about sums it up

Yeah...Where the HELL are they???? I keep waiting and waiting...if the entire Democratic party would just Finally really stand up to these SOB's en masse, and unified, even the MSM couldn't get away with calling EVERY DAMN ONE OF US "the fringe"; not that they wouldn't try...This really is getting genuinely frightening....... I posted something yesterday about a right wing friend who stunned me just two days ago by saying the blatant (at least to the non-hypnotized among us) shredding of the constitution has even begun to scare him. We need , in my opinion, to welcome every conservative that is finally beginning to understand how truly dangerous this regime is, to join us and plead with their conservative friends to stand with us in resistance before its too late. I'm generally not that much of an alarmist, and still can't quite believe that I'm actually thinking and saying these things. I do know that I believe in non-violent resistance , a la Gandhi and King, and still will try as hard as I can to remember what Steven Stills said in that great live CSN&Y version of For What Its Worth: "If we can't do it with a smile on our face; if we can't do it with love in our hearts, then we ain't got no right to do it all, 'cause that just means we ain't learned nothin'". I pray I'm not being naive...

[FourScore]

59. I don't think you are being naive.

You make alot of sense to me.

As for calling myself "whereismyparty" -- you have completely articulated what I have been feeling for so long now. Where the HELL is my party and why don't they grow a spine??? I'll tell you a funny story though...One day a person wanted to reply to me here at DU, and they wanted to abbreviate my acronym, but decided not to when they noticed it spells "wimp".

:rofl:I thought that was funny. It's also ironic since that's how I feel about the democrats sometimes.

Still, you're right. There are alot of democrats who think like we do. We can't all be fringe.

BTW, welcome to DU, abq e streeter!:hi:

[abq e streeter]

74. Thanks for the reply and words of welcome

Just for clarification maybe, I guess I was also saying that as long as our Democratic party "leaders" won't stand with us in more forcefully and stridently calling out this criminal regime, it makes it easier for the MSM to refer to the rest of us as the fringe, and get away with it. Which of course leads back to .....where IS my party ? BTW, those words of welcome from you and others are so appreciated that I'm thinking of slowing down my rate of posting just so the welcomes don't end soon.

[FourScore]

79. LOL. I felt the same whay when I first started posting! n/t

[snappyturtle]

53. I wish we had one chronological list of the crimes this

administration has committed..........for all those who don't think there isn't "something" evil going on.

[FourScore]

60. I've been thinking the same thing. n/t

[L. Coyote]

80. Here is a small contribution that may help build the list. It will require many workers

Yesterday was a GREAT DAY for Falwell TO DIE. Or, the Buffalo Jump to Hell.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x899312

This thread started when Comey was testifying that Bush vommitted crimes. That amazing testimony was "coincidentally" overshadowed by Falwell biting the dust and the ensuing massive distracting missives. The thread was archived before every scandal could be added. Enjoy ... and be forewarned. Listing the Bush scandals is a Herculean task best assigned to the gods, or at least a task force.

[ProudDad]

55. One more count in the Bill of Impeachment (n/t)

[Indenturedebtor]

62. Ummmm

Err... ummm... uh oh :hide:

Nothing to say that hasn't been said. If people start dissapearing in the night do you all have survival plans? Cause I'm sure that even those of us that read and don't post are on a few lists in that bubbleroom or elsewhere.

Maybe they'll just seize my "assets" though hehe. Here's to wishful thinking ;) Check my name heh.

[FourScore]

63. Most of us here at DU would be on that "list" I think.

Welcome to DU, Indenturedebtor!:hi:

[Kurovski]

65. Well, they COULD show it to him, but then they'd have to

...aw, you know the rest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. two choices and both bad

1.- they cannot show the plan that does not exist

2.- What is in the plan is pretty nefarious.

Your pick.

Mine is door number two

[Lerkfish]

67. Something I posted in my journal about conspiracy theories

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Lerkfish/21

[Knightly_Knews]

72. I know this is from Wikipedia but............

This needs some looking into.... Check out the first paragraph where it states that they will use FEMA camps to house US Citizens. I have marked the parts that struck my attention in bold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_government
Continuity of Government in the United States

Main article: Continuity of Operations Plan

The main points of such a plan in the United States are to suspend certain parts of the United States Constitution and to allow the alternative use of federal land and buildings (including use as internment camps) by FEMA for the housing/detention of US citizens as required, as well as any rescue/recovery operations. It also allows for power in the US to be centralized to the White House and "appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law".<1>

House Democrat Jack Brooks brought up the issue during the Iran-Contra Affair hearings. Try as he might, he was not able to get the answers to his questions from Col. Oliver North (it had been reported in the Miami Herald that North had worked on such plans)<2> , as he was repeatedly requested by the Chairman to refrain from discussing the issue and to request for a (non-public) executive session if he wanted to discuss the issue at all.

The Miami Herald article claims that the Continuity of Government plan can be invoked:

* ...in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad... {Later} ...insurrection or massive military mobilization<2>

Also,

* North, they recalled, was briefly assigned to carry the "football," the briefcase containing the secret contingency plans for fighting a nuclear war, which is taken everywhere the president goes. North later widened his assignment to cover national crisis contingency planning. In that capacity he became involved with the controversial national crisis plan drafted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.<2>

and,

* FEMA's clash with (Attorney General) Smith occurred over a secret contingency plan that called for suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the United States over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law during a national crisis<2>

An article entitled Back to the Bunker written by William Arkin and published in the Washington Post on 5 June 2006 includes the following statements concerning Continuity of Government.

* Then came the terrorist attacks of the mid-1990s and the looming Y2K rollover, and suddenly continuity wasn't only for nuclear war anymore. On Oct. 21, 1998, President Bill Clinton signed Presidential Decision Directive 67,<3> "Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations."

* After 9/11, The Washington Post reported that President Bush had set up a shadow government of about 100 senior civilian managers to live and work outside Washington on a rotating basis to ensure the continuity of national security. Since then, a program once focused on presidential succession and civilian control of U.S. nuclear weapons has been expanded to encompass the entire government.<4>

The 9/11 Commission report confirms the invocation:

* For the first time in history, all nonemergency civilian aircraft in the United States were grounded, stranding tens of thousands of passengers across the country. Contingency plans for the continuity of government and the evacuation of leaders had been implemented<5>

Some including Amy Goldstein and Juliet Eilperin, claim they can find no federal documents that state that the knowledge (and thus approval) of Congress is required in order to invoke Continuity of Government status. It appears they have a case as members of Congress were unaware that Bush had invoked Government Contingency plans after 9/11, until it was finally admitted in 2002.<6> There is no constitutional basis for the suspension of the constitution. However, there are provisions for the continuity of government to be maintained by relocation of government operations and personnel to remote areas. But these are totally distinct concepts. Unfortunately the report does not clarify whether the operations of government were decentralised, or whether the government purported to illegally suspend the constitution.

A number of books mention the plans, one is James Mann's 'Rise of the Vulcans':

* Rumsfeld and Cheney were principal figures in one of the most highly classified programs of the Reagan administration. Under it, the administration furtively carried out detailed planning exercises to establish a new American 'president' and his staff, outside and beyond the specifications of the U.S. Constitution ...(the program was) extralegal and extraconstitutional.<7>

Apparently the Legislative and Judiciary Branches of the US Government each have similar continuity plans. However, both require the Executive to notify them before they are activated. There appears to have been no notification following 9-11 to either the Congress or the United States Supreme Court until it was finally admitted to Congress in 2002.<8>

There is considerable confusion between the use of extra-constitutional powers and "martial law" in an emergency situation, and Continuity of Government as such. Continuity of Government properly refers to processes, systems, and infrastructure whereby Government control and communications can be maintained. They involve communications systems, operating procedures, delegation of responsibility, and emergency accommodation- including bunkers.

*
o Each facility is counterpart to its peacetime equivalent.
+ Site R (Raven Rock) -> The Pentagon (Department of Defense)
+ Mount Weather -> Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
+ Camp David -> Executive Office of the President
+ Unknown -> United States Congress (The Greenbrier was to be used until 1992, when it was decommissioned)
+ National Audio-Visual Conservation Center (Mount Pony) -> Department of Treasury/Federal Reserve (Sold off in 1997 to the National Audiovisual Conservation Center, no longer part of the Continuity of government).
+ Cheyenne Mountain -> North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD)
o Also, mobile systems are used for additional command and control.
+ E-4, E-135, EC-130, and E-6 are all airborne command centers.
+ Air Force One is the term for any plane the President of the United States travels on. However, the term normally refers to a Boeing VC-25A the President normally uses. While the VC-25A is equipped with numerous systems to ensure its survival, in an emergency, it would be recommended that he use the National Airborne Operations Center, a Boeing E-4 specially built to serve as a survivable mobile command post. The Secretary of Defense may also use it, as a member of the National Command Authority. It is also possible that the President would authorize the Vice President to use it, depending on the circumstances.
+ An E-6 Mercury, codenamed Looking Glass, is USSTRATCOM's Airborne Command Post, designed to take over in case NORAD's Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center is destroyed or incapable of communicating with strategic forces.
+ NORAD owns and operates a mobile vehicular command center
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Get ready folks, it's almost time! :nuke: :scared: Red Dawn was not a fictional story.. It was a warning to what is coming soon!

[abq e streeter]

75. Red Dawn etc.

Don't worry, those detention centers are just "free speech zones"........ Also, Red Dawn was of course a right wing fantasy piece ; brave American kids standing up to those Russkies and Cubans. Funny anecdote about it too---my old roommate's junior high school, in Las Vegas, New Mexico (yeah , we have a Las Vegas too) , was the one the Russkies blow to smithereens early in the movie. He said he NEVER gets tired of watching that.

[classof56]

87. Wow--I attended junior high school in Las Vegas, NM.

(Landed in the town by accident, literally, ended up staying a few years.)Had no idea it was the school the Russkies blew up in Red Dawn. Not my fave movie but next time it's on TV I'll definitely watch it just to see my old stompin' grounds blown to smithereens. Woo-Hoo!

Tired Old Cynic

[abq e streeter]

95. Las Vegas NM

I better check with the old roommate; make sure I got the facts right... Its been a while since he told me that, but I'm pretty sure thats the story... Also-- I know this for sure, and you'll definitely recognize it; the big battle scene with those evil commie Cubans takes place on and along the railroad tracks in front of the old Castaneda Hotel. Enjoy the movie next time, even though it really does kind of suck. Somewhat entertaining mindless and harmless right wing action crap though, I suppose...

[jaybeat]

76. More like "Jericho"

Shadowy bad guy in Dept. of Homeland Security leads a team of spooks who are supposedly "infiltrating" a group planning a multi-city nuclear attack. DC and a dozen or so other cities are wiped out, while the President is addressing a joint session of Congress.

Poof. No more government.

But the bad guy from DHS emerges "in-charge" and is found to be looking for the one nuke that didn't go off (and the spy who has it), since he's the only one alive who can trace this all back to him as an "inside job."

Great story, horrifying future. Quite plausible.

Dick could be in an "undisclosed location" when Dim Son and Congress are in D.C.

Bang, and he's in charge. No Congress. No courts. No constitution.

And Dick could tell the whole country to F*** Off!

[AntiFascist]

92. It is an interesting show... ***SPOILER***

a Blackwater-like group goes around posing as government military, killing people and stealing their resources. The heroes in the town of Jericho are able to subdue them. The show got cancelled (wonder why?) but now is being brought back due to the demands by fans. One thing that may not be too realistic, the real government in the show has been broken into several governments with their own militias (?)

[Aviation Pro]

82. Here's the problem....

...there are literally hundreds of terrorists attacks every year, but there is maybe one seminal foreign initiated, terrorist attack every decade against U.S. citizens that causes mass casualties or major damage (Beirut 1983, WTC 1993, 911 2001 - I could probably include the Cole, but in my opinion, it doesn't cross the threshold I'm establishing). The problem with the "plan" is we don't know the scope of what crosses Jerkoff Dick Cheney's threshold (Motherfucker George Bush couldn't define a scope if it hit him across his alcohol and drug infested head). So a suicide bomber who kills 20 U.S. citizens in Wichita, KS may trip a nationwide lockdown of 300,000,000 citizens. Who would enforce the declaration of martial law and how the government would work is anyone's guess.

Oh, and here's a question for Jerkoff and Motherfucker. Does a bomber who attacks an abortion clinic constitute a terrorist attack? No? I thought so, Asswipe and Fuckface.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

88. I sense a little hostility here...

;-)

[Aviation Pro]

94. And your point?

...lol

[HCE SuiGeneris]

97. just nodding my head

emphatically in agreement... :thumbsup:

[defendandprotect]

83. CANCEL CONGRESSIONAL SUMMER RECESS . . . !!!!

[EVDebs]

84. Republicans are now the equivalent to the Catholic Church's scandal

only worse, since the coverups will never be known nor their full extent.

[Yael]

86. Clinton's Continuity Document (EO

Text can be found here: http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/eo/bl13083.htm

If I recall, pressure from the senate forced him to suspend/reverse this -- and it is no where NEAR as authoritarian as Bush's giving complete control to FEMA.

Doesn't the senate have to approve (or at least REVIEW) this stuff? Like within 3 months or something?

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

89. It's uplifting

to have a hero in your backyard!

[OzarkDem]

90. what did Pelosi have to say?

Can Rep. DeFazio count on his leaders to back him up?

[GreenTea]

91. Looks like they want to keep Bush's excuse for a complete government take-over a secret....

Bush has already signed an executive order and documents to become dictator of the United States in case of an "emergency". What are they hiding that they won't allow Congressman DeFazio or any Democratic leader to see their plans for our country...

Anyone with a brain knows Bush/Cheney/Rove have another fascist plan in the works to control our government and continue profitable invading and imperialism....as you also know without a doubt it involves fear and keeping people in fear and hate!

[Supersedeas]

93. to secret to share with the People's House

[JacquesMolay]

96. What about the people who think there's a conspiracy against people...

... who think there's a conspiracy.