Michael Vick ought to be strung up by his nuts...

[SaveElmer]

Cruelty to animals just really gets me...

I hear 6 years in jail is the max sentence on this...I hope he is forced to serve every last minute of it...

What a complete and utter jerk...

I hope the NFL and the Falcons step up and dump this guy...

:mad:

[ourbluenation]

1. throw him in a ring with one of the dogs he bred for killing. n/t

[ThomCat]

5. Throw him in the ring with half a dozen of them!

:mad:

[femrap]

72. Throw him off a cliff.....

a very, very steep one.

[NanceGreggs]

7. I'm in on THAT idea n/t

[roguevalley]

64. I loathe him. May he rot in hell.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Take this to the bank -- Vick won't spend one moment in jail.

[ThomCat]

6. Unfortunately, I think you're right.

:(

[Norwood]

15. Sadly you are correct

He'll play in the NFL again too. Maybe not this year or next year but someday someone will give him a job and it makes me sick.

[femrap]

73. I don't think you realize how most

Southern men love their dogs.

I think Vick is in for some big trouble.

[Midlodemocrat]

76. Don't bank on that.

I live here and I hear a lot of people who are sick of the Vick brothers and their behavior.

Plus, we recently had a little boy killed by the Rottweilers in his family's yard, so cruelness to dogs isn't going to sit well with a jury.

JMHO. YMMV.

[Buzz Clik]

82. We'll certainly see.

[northernsoul]

99. Federal Grand Jury indictments have a 95% conviction rate

I choose to hope for justice.

[Buzz Clik]

123. Libby was indicted and convicted. How many days in jail? Zero.

Privilege, privilege, privilege.

We shall see.

[BushOut06]

136. I disagree

There are plenty of examples where rich celebrities and athletes have had to spend time in jail or prison. Something like this is going to be awfully hard to walk away from, due to the heinousness of the crime. Honestly, he probably would be getting more sympathy if he had gotten into a fight with another person and killed them.

[ThomCat]

3. I agree. But I'm sure he has a huge vocal fan club

fighting to keep him out of jail. I'd like to think that DUers, in general, would want to see him held accountable, but I think I'm going to be disappointed. A lot of people here don't seem to care, in the least, how animals are treated. Any concern for animals makes you a "radical."

[BronxBoy]

35. Yeah...But

Dog and pet lovers are a hell of a lot more vocal.

Bush just appointed a food import panel (For whatever that's worth).

And what was the critical mass that led to this?: Peoples pets started getting poisoned with food from China. We put all kinds of crap into our bodies and don't bat an eyelash. But soak a dog and then electrocute it: No. I don't think that's going to play well with a lot of people. The love for a pet cuts across all racial, We social and economic lines.

[ThomCat]

39. Yes, he appointed a panel,

but he did it while simultaneously closing the FDA labs that actually do the testing. The panel is deliberately toothless. It's a hollow political gesture.

Pet owners are not the same as animal rights activists. A lot of pet owners have a convenient ability to separate their concern for their pets from any concern for other animals.

I'd love to be optimistic, but I'm not.

[cboy4]

4. I know. Another thing that's almost as repulsive is hearing some

NFL players downplay the horror of what Vick is accused of doing, and say people should mind their own business.

Assholes.

[saracat]

8. I say the death penalty is too good for him. He deserves to be tortured!

What a disgusting waste of humanity.

[madokie]

9. if hes guilty sure he should

[goclark]

80. I agree nt

[BeyondGeography]

10. Disgraceful and sad

They showed footage of these "fights" earlier today on CNN. Half the time the dogs were being affectionate to each other before their handlers wound one or both of them up to fight. I share your outrage.

[OwnedByFerrets]

86. If they were as willing and ready

to show the torture and killing that is being done in OUR name in Iraq, maybe the populace would be rioting in the streets to get us out of there and send these criminals in the white house to jail.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. Agreed Completely.

[JVS]

12. I think hanging him by his nuts and torturing him would be overreacting

[BronxBoy]

40. Why????

They are accused of:

Soaking a dog and electrocuting it becuase it didn't "test" well.
Slamming a dog against the ground until it died because it lost a fight
Shooting dogs because they either lost fight or didn't "test" well
Executing 8 dogs through various means because they didn't display the aggressive tendencies they sought

I don't know, some people might feel that is not an over-reaction at all

[Iris]

106. Exactly. Treating an animal this way is good indication of a person's character.

And who's to say s/he'd stop at torturing animals?

[JVS]

125. "And who's to say s/he'd stop at torturing animals?"

Let the insane witch-hunt begin! Who is to say that you will stop your dissent towards the government at peaceful demonstration, why you COULD do anything. Agent Mike, take this one to Gitmo, we don't know what Iris might do!

[Iris]

134. go to hell.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

141. Fuck you cunt.

[MadHound]

111. I would be one of those people

Torture, nah, soak the man in cattle blood and lock him in a room with some of his own dogs, I'd be all over that.

I worked as a vets assistant in a hospital that was also the twenty four hour clinic for animal control. I've seen fighting dogs, mostly pits, being brought in after fights. These dogs were in horrible condition, broken and bloody. Most of the time we'd have to put these dogs down anyway, no matter their condition. The really sad thing is that these were at heart good dogs. Too many dogs looked me trustingly in the eyes, wagged their tail when I comforted them before I slid the needle in. Scum like Vick deserve no mercy or special treatment. It is assholes like him who were responsible not only for this pain and death, but also for demonizing an entire breed of dogs to such an extent that more and more calls are being put out for the death of this entire breed. Sad, really, since pits have traditionally been some of the best family dogs and pets in existence.

If Vick is guilty of this, I hope that he does some serious time. I think that this is being tried in federal court makes this more likely.

[JVS]

126. Your post is horrific

[MadHound]

137. Yes, it is

The way mankind treats animals under our care is pretty damn horrific. I got to see that up close and personal way too many times. However it is the successes you have, the joy in being around animals that keeps anybody in the vet business going. Fortunately those outnumber the horror stories.

Sorry if I offended you, incidents like this bring back old memories. That's when I hug my current pit mix rescue pup, a sweetheart if there ever was one.

[JVS]

124. Those people would be sick fucks who would punish him by doing such things

[frylock]

46. best trade in NFL history..

imagine LT in a Falcon's uniform.

[Norwood]

13. He deserves more than 6 years..

Animal cruelty really bothers me, especially on dogs. :mad: and :cry:
He should be beaten, electrocuted, forced underwarter, and hanged just like he did to those poor dogs.

[Ian David]

14. With all the money this guy had, THIS was how he chose to amuse himself?

I mean, he could have hired hookers to have diaper sex.

Or raced yachts.

Or just about anything in the world that's open to multi-millionaire superstar athletes.

But he chose DOG FIGHTING?

[CurtEastPoint]

18. He is a worthless POS, through and through

Dogfighting and cockfighting and true low class entertainment, for both black and whites alike.

[Stinky The Clown]

23. Why the racial references?

Just curious ...... it adds nothing to your basic sentiment.

[BronxBoy]

37. And for chump change

I didn't do the math. But I believe the total amount wagered on all of the fights would probably not exceed what he makes on a Sunday afternoon.

If he did this, he needs to rot

edited for spelling

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

16. He'll Be Back, And Probably With A Big Pay Raise

You actually think we live in a society where people care about such stuff? All this country and it's football fans will give 2 shits about, is whether he can play ball.

In no time at all, this will be something he'll undoubtedly benefit from.

[Cha]

31. We'll see how this

pet loving country rallies behind the animals. Peta might get some new memebers.

[frogcycle]

78. i think you're wrong

fans will dump him

[Midlodemocrat]

79. I agree. Here in VA, people are already pretty sick

of the Vick brothers and their behavior. I think this could be the nail in his proverbial coffin.

[OwnedByFerrets]

88. In all honesty,

Americans probably feel more sympathy for these dogs than they do the 700,000 weve murdered in Iraq. I think there will be an outcry.

[entanglement]

128. I wish I could nominate your reply

[OwnedByFerrets]

139. Thank you Entanglement....I wish it were not true.....nt

[RiverStone]

17. Vick is a coward and needs to be kicked though the uprights

The Dogfighting thing is a very serious concern; it reflects a growing culture that sanctions cruelty to animals. Cruelty to animals is frequently a precursor to cruelty to humans (kids most specifically). It reflects upon our society's values and my hope is that shedding light on NFL QB Michael Vick's slimy involvement may also shake up this illegal and disgusting practice (not to mention boot his ass from the NFL).

And yea, I had thoughts of wishing he were thrown in a pen with 50 hungry pit bulls --- no dog should waste his time on Vick. Rather than a football, the only thing I hope Vick passes is the salt to other inmates in prison!!!!

more on this:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/18/dog.fighting/index.html

[Manifestor_of_Light]

29. Turn him into a Tender Vittle!!!

[RiverStone]

19. Found this poll from GA.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/18/0719vickpoll.html

[Donnachaidh]

26. Well heck, the AJC front page is filled with sports scores

At times it seems like that papers doesn't even bother to report on world or national news. I'm surprised they even found such a large amount of people who think he should be let go.

[SaveElmer]

20. Maybe we could get Bill Goldberg to beat the shit out of him...

Used to play for the Falcons and is an animal rights advocate who testified before Congress on animal fighting...

[The Stranger]

21. Confiscate all of the millions he has since some of it funded criminal enterprises.

[Beausoir]

22. God..that picture is so heartbreaking. I'm hugging my dogs extra tonight.

What a filthy piece of shit. I hope he gets what is coming to him.

[CitizenLeft]

66. me too

I was watching Abrams, and had to cover that side of the screen with my hand so I didn't have to see it. I hope that son of a bitch gets the full penalty of the law. Too bad they won't give him 2 years for every dog killed and an additional day for every dollar he made off of it.

Son of a bitch.

Hugging my dogs too.

[Stinky The Clown]

24. You're way too kind ........

..... assuming he's guilty, that would be the least of it. I'd like to see the sadistic, heartless, thoughtless motherfucker made to suffer every pain he inflicted on those dogs.

I say 'assuming he's guilty' ....... given how the facts come out, it seems pretty likely he is. And if so, he's vermin.

[judaspriestess]

25. quote from Gandhi

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.. I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man"
-- Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948)

[Thothmes]

27. Maybe he should be convicted of a crime first?

[SaveElmer]

30. This isn't a court of law...but read the indictment...

It is unbelievable, and the evidence against Vick looks overwhelming...

[Marnieworld]

38. That indictment was horrific

I was amazed and encouraged at the level of detail they have though. For anyone with any doubts about it they should read it. It was really hard to learn the names of the dogs, learn about individual fights and the life story of a few of them. What people miss sometime sis taht this was all about gambling. It wasn't just for some sick thrill though that was definitely a part of it. I think they really enjoyed killing the dogs evidenced by the many ways they decided to kill them, almost as if they were trying to top eachother with how creative and sadistic they could be. Shooting, drowning, electrocuting? They actually doused a dog and electrocuted it. Vick was present for killing and may have participated in it.

For anyone doubting his guilt ask yourself how the house was paid for? Not just the one time purchase of the house for his cousin as he alleges, but all of the additions and improvements purchased over time specifically for the purpose of raising and fighting dogs. Why would Vick pay for an extra fence, kennel, sheds for fighting on the property without knowing the purpose? there are records of all of these purchases as well as his involvement in purchasing the puppies. The indictment lists at least 4 Cooperating witnesses that give dates, amounts of fight purses, the name of his organization (fighting kennel) named after his nickname for his hometown. It's 18 pages long with horrifc details. It's already a mountain of evidence against his defense of I didn't know, it wasn't me, everyone's lying. As far as I can see now he is guilty and it would take a proven enormous conspiracy of people aimed at framing him for no discernible reason to change that impression.

I think the NFL should suspend him. He shouldn't taint the league with this ugliness. It definitely isn't fair to anyone in the Falcons organization. He could not possibly play his best with full concentration while fighting a felony conviction. The media firestorm would follow the team from city to city, it will overshadow everything. That's not football, that's the Michael Vick circus. If he gets acquited he can come back but I think they should detach from this asap.

For "Jane" "tiny" "Big Boy" and the others. There story must be told and they must have justice. For all of the other helpless puppies being brought into this horrible existence. Don't get me started. :grr:

[BronxBoy]

44. And what is just as aggravating....

is that the Black media seems to be circling wagons around this guy. I think the only question is how deeply he was involved not whether he was involved. And as a Black man, I find the fact that, at least the Black media outlets I listened too, pretty much viewed this as a Black_White issue and as far as I heard, placed absolutely no cupability at Mr Vick's feet, speaks volumes about why SOME White people turn a blind eye when we want to discuss matters of justice like Genarlow Wilson

[Marnieworld]

47. OMG! He's still in jail?

Any person, black or white that doesn't see what a travesty the incarceration of Wilson is, is either ignorant or an asshole. I thought that he was released by a judge and lost track of the case. The poor kid.

My guess is that his defenders will evaporate as more details of the case are revealed. That's my hope at least. It's hard to imagine people being ok with this type of cruelty. As far as his level of involvement- he funded it. The entire organization would not have existed without his bankroll- period. What is most inexcusable is that the true enterprise didn't really begin until after he was a professional player though there are some allegations of his involvment in the fighte before then. That's what gave them the idea to take it further after he was flush with cash. It was something to do to help his hometown friends, stay connected to them, have fun on breaks from football. It was a gambling enterprise- that was thr thrill. Being an underground badass. Think of all of the players who spend their time doing good works? Warrick Dunn buys homes every year for poor single mothers because he was raised by one. How can he associate with Vick personally? They are from different planets.

I am shocked an horrified when this is dismissed. I heard last night that it is so prevalent in inner-city Chicago that children are quite accustomed to seeing dogfighting in the streets often. Yet another reason to stop it, how it is damaging them as well. I hope that at least some good can come from this discussion.

[BronxBoy]

48. Yes he is

The state Supreme Court has put his case on a fasttrack and will be hearing his appeal in the next week or so. The latest news was that the original DA who prosecuted the case sent the tape of the events that evening to a bunch of people to show that Genarlow was no choirboy. This guy has an axe to grind and race is definitely an issue.

The problem in this case is that Mike Vic put himself in this situation. And I heard very little of that in the Black media that I listened to today. I mean how much sympathy am I supposed have for a high profile Black athlete that engages in behaviors like this?

[CitizenLeft]

71. agree with you

I saw Abrams' show tonight, and the guy from ESPN (black) was so vigorously defending him it made me cringe.

And you are absolutely right. To argue on racial lines about this issue marginalizes arguments in cases of real racial injustice.

[Joe Fields]

122. I don't know which media you are talking about, but I know that

Al Sharpton sent a scathing letter to the Falcons, the league, and Vic's corporate sponsors, damning this type of behavior. I also know that Jason Whitlock, of the Kansas City Star came out with a column today that was an indictment of Vic's behavior and the terrible traits of the hip-hop culture that promote a gangsta type of life, and the unfortunate incidence of some black millionaire athletes , such as Iverson and Vic who subscribe to that behavior.

[NashVegas]

93. Re: The Gambling Aspect

That doesn't float so much with me, on its own. You want to gamble? Bet on the horses, play a game of poker, there are tons of options out there.


It's not so much that they wanted to gamble; it's that they wanted to play at being the house, in the most cruel ways imaginable.

[judaspriestess]

28. should cheney be convicted of a crime first too?

:eyes:

[alcibiades_mystery]

58. Uh, yeah.

:shrug:

[judaspriestess]

81. I was responding to post #27

no shit sherlock, cheney should be convicted.

[alcibiades_mystery]

90. Uh, OK

So, you responded in the wrong place with the painfully obvious. Nice work....

[judaspriestess]

120. thank you for blessing me and forgiving my sin oh holy one

I will pray the rosary now.

[alcibiades_mystery]

121. You're welcome

Run along now.

[tammywammy]

32. Agreed.

If he did what they're accusing him of, it's just sickening. To do that to an animal is beyond pale. It's disgusting. It's should be a 20 year sentence.

[illinoisprogressive]

33. when they were reporting this I just about threw up. How in the world can

anyone be so cold and heartless as to kill innocent animals. How can anyone do those things.
I thought of my dog, Tia and my cat, Fluff. And I thought of my Tiger who just passed away.
It really upsets me when people are mean to animals.

[brettdale]

34. If he is found guilty

He has to get a jail sentence and a life time banned from the NFL.

[Marnieworld]

51. No Ring ever. and No Hall of Fame

For a Number 1 Draft pick that would be quite the punishment. He'd be a pariah and have no endorsements. That's what I'm hoping for. There are penalties for him outside of the courtroom. :grr:

[anotherCTliberal]

110. WITH a sizable fine going to the Humane Society or other anti-abuse organization. n/t

[LostInAnomie]

36. There is very little that pisses me off more than cruelty to animals.

I have no remorse or pity for anything that happens to purveyors of cruelty. They deserve nothing but the worst punishment our laws will allow us to dish out.

May Vick be cursed for the rest of his life.

[rudeboy666]

41. Cruel and Unusual Punishment....it's also part of the law.

[spoony]

42. I'd love to know how many of you

calling for his torture are

a. against torturing prisoners/detainees
b. against the death penalty

[SaveElmer]

43. It's a visceral response...

I doubt anyone is actually advocating torturing and or death for Vick...

[spoony]

45. Not so sure about that

And even if it is, such toxic emotions toward people should not be wallowed in.

[Madspirit]

114. Wow...you know more than my shrink

She says it's just venting and it's fine.
Lee

[spoony]

129. If your shrink

thinks it's fine to have violent fantasies about people, they should be seeing someone other than patients.

[Madspirit]

59. I Didn't Call For Either

Children, animals, prisoners, etc....the most helpless of the helpless. They are the ones who cannot defend themselves. People who do dastardly things to any being are the lowest of the low and people who do dastardly things to the most helpless are even lower. That said, I just want him in jail. I don't support the death penalty and I don't support torture.

...BUT most people are just venting. ...and THAT is OK.
Lee

[lapislzi]

91. What you said

I don't condone torture or the death penalty for anyone, even if a dim corner of my brain wouldn't feel sorry for Vick if that happened to him. The rational, and hopefully compassionate, part of my brain is the bigger part.

Having said that, if convicted, I hope Vick faces the maximum sentence legally allowed. It is very, very difficult to feel compassion for such an individual.

[spoony]

130. No one is asking anyone to feel compassion for

an animal torturer, but on the same note I feel no compassion for people who "vent" by wishing torture on humans.

[Arugula Latte]

49. I'd like to chain him to my car and push the pedal to the floor.

:grr:

[RB TexLa]

50. He hasn't been convicted. Neither the NFL or the Falcons are or can do anything

to him without a conviction. The guy can afford good lawyers, it doesn't matter if he is guilty it's if he can be proven guilty.

[The Stranger]

52. That is not correct and whether the NFL can act, actually, depends upon the NFL's own policies.

They do not have to have a conviction to take action against Vick. They shouldn't and they won't.

[Neshanic]

60. So? The team has lawyers too. He just needs to be off the field.

[RB TexLa]

61. They aren't going to take the salary cap hit

[TwilightZone]

95. The NFL can do whatever they want to him

See: Jones, Pac-Man

He wasn't even indicted when he was suspended, much less convicted. Not that he didn't deserve it.

[bullwinkle428]

96. NFL can't do anything? Ever heard of Pac-Man Jones?

:rofl:

[Neshanic]

117. Apparently not. You bring up a great example.

[Iris]

108. They can't suspend him until this gets sorted out?

It couldn't possibly be good for the team to have that much attention being paid to something that's not about the game.

[David Zephyr]

53. K&R.

:thumbsup:

[BlackVelvet04]

54. I live in the area where Vick is from and

people are truly stunned. I can't even fathom what kind of person enjoys watching dogs fight to the death and who would electrocute a dog. It's beyond my comprehension. Isn't this kind of cruelty to animals the behavior of a psychopath?

[achtung_circus]

70. Pretty much

and I investigate this shit for a living. On Edit: Psychopaths, sociopaths, I call it FITH syndrome, short for Fucked In The Head.

[Iris]

109. omg. This picture is horrifying.

Dickless is what I call men who like to watch this sort of thing.

[DemGa]

127. Thank you for getting these bastards n/t

[Auntie Bush]

77. Yes it is. Just like our president who blew up frogs with firecrackers

and now has helpless prisoners tortured and he doesn't give a F*** about 3500 of our fine soldiers being killed and all those poor souls who are maimed for life. Those men have no respect for life and are two of a kind!
I truly hate them both.

[Madspirit]

55. k&r and FUCK HIM!...n/t

[UTUSN]

56. Lounge.

[Neshanic]

57. Boycott Home Depot now. Lowes is more than happy to get your trade.

[tulip]

84. List of companies he has endorsements with

Vick is a spokesperson for many companies; his endorsement contracts have included Nike, EA Sports, Coca-Cola, Powerade, Kraft, Rawlings, and Hasbro.

I will give these places a little time to pull their endorsements but they really should do this.

[northernsoul]

100. thank you for posting this valuable information

All of these companies had better dump his sorry ass within the next few business days if they know what's good for them.

[Neshanic]

115. Yes, thanks for that info.

[Catchawave]

62. Will the NFL suspend him?

I hope so. The Vick brothers have been little a*holes here in Hampton Roads since high school/Va Tech (though Marcus was thrown out)...both signing brazillions in NFL contracts....both above the law.

Both talented football players and threw it all away. Sad. Guess this is John Edwards Third America?

[tulip]

83. Send an email to NFL

https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2007_dogfighting_nfl2?rk=h1NsqE61Nbs8E

This site crashed earlier today because of all the hits. But it's up and running again.

[napi21]

89. I would HOPE he would be suspended until the trial is over.

I think he's guilty too, but he shouldn't have his contract terminated until he is found guilty. If he is found innocent then he deserves to keep his job.

[NashVegas]

94. After Pacman, I'd Imagine So

More and more people are getting fed up with thugs getting mainstream adulation.

[opihimoimoi]

63. If found guilty...he should go to jail and be dumped by the NFL

6 years is too short...more like 20....

[Bjorn Against]

65. I know nothing about Michael Vick, but I will say this...

Anyone who commits acts of animal cruelty should have the book thrown at them. Current animal cruelty laws are way too lenient in my opinion, those who abuse animals are extremely disgusting people who often become violent against humans as well. Lock them up and throw away the key.

[smoogatz]

67. I'm sorry, but this thread is DU at its worst.

What I see here are a lot of people essentially advocating the lynching of Michael Vick for alleged crimes against animals. That, my friends, is seriously fucked up. I'm hitting the alert button on this one.

[asthmaticeog]

68. Uh oh.

Someone on this thread's not trying to one-up everyone else with severity of fantasized punishment in order to prove his or her extreme disapproval? That ain't gonna sit well. You either want to strangle him with his own viscera or you're soft on animal abusers! THERE IS NO INBETWEEN!

(Sounds like Republican pres candidates talking about Gitmo, doesn't it?)

[smoogatz]

69. I know--I'm really a crappy DUer sometimes.

I think it was the Ghandi quote that ultimately got to me.

[Midlodemocrat]

74. Yes, I do.

:rofl:

[spoony]

132. Yep.

Cue the music for the pitchfork-wielding mob of bloodthirsty villagers.

[Jed Dilligan]

75. And here we go again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1374249&mesg_id=1374528

Please paste "testicular torture" onto my list in the above reply.

[judaspriestess]

85. So Ricky Williams gets banned from the NFL for smoking weed

and this asshole is getting support from people?

priceless

[U4ikLefty]

87. Strung Up??? Yikes...that was a baaaad choice of words.

I have the feeling he is totally involved in this nasty shit, but those words just hit me a little strange.

I'm not implying anything, I'm just saying that they can be taken badly by some people.

Maybe "Micheal Vick should be thrown into a ring with a pit-bull" or something else would be a better way of putting it.

[Philosoraptor]

92. Inhuman scum.

[lonestarnot]

97. Dirty fucker, nothing is to bad for this freak.

Short of the death penalty :evilgrin:

[OneBlueSky]

98. one of his cohorts summed up the problem with this statement . . .

"Hey, they're just dogs" . . .

makes me want to puke . . . all dogs want is love and attention from their humans . . . to treat animals like this is barbaric, and points to the same kind of personality defect that Bush exhibited when he tortured frogs as a kid . . . and we saw how he turned out . . . just disgusting . . .

[TransitJohn]

101. Don't you think he ought to get his day in court?

Due process and all that.

[SaveElmer]

103. Think I made a point about that in my post...

However DU is not a court of law, and given the specificity and wide ranging indictment there is little doubt in my mind that Vick is guilty...

The question is how will he wriggle out of it...

The first sign will be if his arraignment is changed from the 26th...which happens to be the first day of training camp...

[RubyDuby in GA]

102. The day the indictment was handed down, a local tv news program talked to fans in Atlanta

They were more concerned about what this will do to the Falcons this season than the fact that a horrible crime was committed.

I too hope Vick truly gets what is coming to him. :grr:

[RebelOne]

104. My son has 9 pit bulls that have been dumped on him

because they won't fight. He has them all on runs in his back and front yards. He is not involved in dog fighting. He just happens to know some people who are. I would like to find out who and where these people are, but my son won't tell me because he knows I will turn them in.

[JacquesMolay]

105. That's racist...

...n/t

[LanternWaste]

118. How so?

How so? :shrug:

[High Plains]

107. Two minute hate time! Ooh, I feel better now.

[Perky]

112. Sorrry guys but this sounds like a low-tech lynching

Give the guy his day in court and let justice prevail..

[Hidden Stillness]

113. Sometimes, the Rich Violent Male Actually is Guilty...

This is just the latest example of how corporate male sports no longer cares about anything but profit, and now allows any kind of crime to be committed, ignored, and sold as part of the "image." This is not the first, it will not be the last. Also, of course, you have the same crowd popping up on this thread, as on all the rape threads, supporting the violent male no matter how much evidence there is, and covering over their lack of compassion with phony calls for "trials," when that is the last thing in the world your violent prick wants. Note the three known victims of the violent rapist Kobe Bryant, the male Prosecutor in Colorado who killed the investigation, the two (I think it was) women who resigned in protest--remember all the threads on DU protesting the guilty male who got away with it? Oh, right--there were none. I guess "fairness" only goes one way.

The indictment was very clear, very long, and based on many cooperating witnesses; there was a lot of evidence gathered by cruelty investigators. All the standard "training" equipment was there, from rings where the dogs are tied to a frame and run in circles, to dog treadmills, to steroids and other medical items; there were "break sticks," and horrifically, a "rape stand," where the fem. dog would be locked by the head into a brace, unable to move or fight back, kept there for many hours, raped over and over (the dogs linked up by the human, as they do), and she would spend most of a lifetime as a forced, raped breeder this way. Dead dogs were found on Vick's property, where Vick's relative lived, the watered-down electrocuted one, and others beaten, strangled, shot, etc., etc. This is typical: dogs who lose are murdered, either by further torture, as here by males who love even more of it, or by being dumped into the trash.

The witnesses gave names, places, dates of fights, the name of Vick's operation, (I think it was Bad News Breeders), one witness was criticized by the others for using Vick's real name at a fight; it is all there, and Federal Grand Jury indictment cannot proceed unless there are demonstrated facts, and evidence--there is.

This is an increasing problem, it is being "glamorized" by several kinds of prick "culture," such as "Redneck Southern," and "Hip Hop," whether anybody likes the specific references or not. Bite it. There are strong associations with other types of violence, with the kind of merciless, cold cruelty exhibited here, enjoying the suffering and death of dogs, then throwing them away like old rags--violence toward women, children, witnesses..., etc. Further, there is the extended cruelty of "children" (!) growing up admiring this, and even before they themselves join this vile exploitation, showing now-common cruelty such as cutting off the ears of dogs, with no anesthetic (to make them "look like" fighters), putting rubber bands on the tails of dogs, strangling circulation, until the tail falls of, very painful, etc.

Cruelty investigators have for several years noted the alarming increase of this torture, hard to stop, with witnesses threatened, etc., and thwarted by these dick-sucking assholes, as here, who don't even want it exposed, because they are so ignorant themselves, and so uncaring toward the victims.

[Neshanic]

116. Thank you, best yet. You nailed it.

[judaspriestess]

119. Thank you!!

:applause:

I post a quote from Gandhi how you can judge a society by the way it treats its animals and it seemed someone was "offended" by it.

A line has to be drawn in the sand when we as decent people are going to say enough is enough and it is a safe assumption this scumbag was involved in the horrific treatment of these animals. This is just another thing people have a right to be outraged about in this sad world.

[slackmaster]

131. How about giving the guy a fair trial first?

Then string him up by his nuts IF HE IS CONVICTED.

[brg5001]

133. Actually, hard time will do. But he should be suspended pending the outcome.

I don't think he should be playing football pending the outcome of the trial. Although, maybe he'll get more punishment there on the football field. Sort of a preview of how animal and child abusers are treated in prison. Never mind.

[MLFerrell]

135. Yes, because cruelty to animals makes it OK to torture someone, right?

Strung up by his nuts indeed...

[HardRocker05]

138. say it. nt

[DrDan]

140. can you imagine the reaction at the first Atlanta home game as

he is introduced.

I just cannot see him playing another game with the Falcons.

[itcfish]

142. I Love Dogs

but let's not get carried away. Stiff fines and a warning. Second offense in Jail. Hell we let Libby go and he committed treason.