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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:51 PM
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PROBE THIS: Sen Bob Graham said two 9/11 hijackers had direct ties to Saudi intelligence
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 09:55 PM by yurbud
And this was in the 27 classified pages of the Joint Congressional Inquiry.

Before this gets shunted off to the conspiracy theory ghetto, consider how badly the Bushies want their war with Iran, Cheney's recent trip to see the Saudis, and America's vulnerability to being hoodwinked by convenient boogeymen again.





9/11 hijackers tied to Saudi government, Graham says in book

By Frank Davies, Knight Ridder | September 5, 2004

WASHINGTON -- Two of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers had a support network in the United States that included agents of the Saudi government, and the Bush administration and FBI blocked a congressional investigation into that relationship, Senator Bob Graham wrote in a book to be released Tuesday.

The discovery of the financial backing of the two hijackers "would draw a direct line between the terrorists and the government of Saudi Arabia, and trigger an attempted coverup by the Bush administration," the Florida Democrat wrote.

And in Graham's book, "Intelligence Matters," obtained by The Miami Herald yesterday, he makes clear that some details of that financial support from Saudi Arabia were in the 27 pages of the congressional inquiry's final report that were blocked from release by the administration, despite the pleas of leaders of both parties on the House and Senate intelligence committees.

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He oversaw the Sept. 11 investigation on Capitol Hill with Representative Porter Goss. According to Graham, the FBI and the White House blocked efforts to investigate the extent of official Saudi connections to two hijackers.



http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/05/911_hijackers_tied_to_saudi_government_graham_says_in_book?mode=PF
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:52 PM
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1. Common sense demands that I recommend this. nm
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:55 PM
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2. Don't tell me aformer Senator's book actually got published
without a review by the Feds????? Yeowwwww!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:56 PM
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4. might have been able to do it as retired. And you notice it didn't get a hell of a lot of publicity
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:28 AM
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42. the book was published september 7, 2004 n/t
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:56 PM
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3. You've got to be kidding me! Why did he wait so long to say this?
I can't figure any of this stuff out anymore, but if this gets ignored, I give up.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:58 PM
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5. from 2004. I was googling something vaguer he said about Saudi involvement
and being censored from giving details on those sealed pages.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:11 PM
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16. Why is he free to speak now? I just don't understand "the rules."
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 10:13 PM by Miss Chybil
I don't know that it would have made any difference back then. Maybe, he was waiting for the right time. This could really explode on the cabal, couldn't it? (Or, am I just being naive?)

On edit: Could this be what Poppy Bush was crying about?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:20 AM
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49. Maybe it's because the mainstream has finally absorbed enough
of the other facts to absorb this? In other words, they're ready to handle the truth?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 04:33 PM
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106. Ding, ding. Give this person a BIG cee-gar!
Exactly.

The essential facts have all been known to anyone who wants to read Congressional testimony since the Joint Intelligence Committee Report was published in September 2002.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:16 AM
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132. Have they absorbed the fact that OBL was visited by the CIA in an American medical facility...
... in Dubai? I believe the agent's name was L(H?)arry Mitchell. The meeting took place in mid-2001, a few short months before 911.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:06 AM
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74. it was published 3 years ago--but of course, ignored (nt)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:20 AM
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76. He got pressure at time of Joint Congressional Inquiry. Once past, he was simply put on IGNORE
Bernie Sanders gave a speech at the media reform conference saying congressmen were giving press briefings before the Iraq War about the threat being hyped and all the stuff we talk about here, but hardly any of it made it into the papers.

Similarly, after Dennis Kucinich rightly took Ted Koppel to task for asking stupid horse race questions during a primary debate in 2004, the ABC reporters traveling with him were pulled the next day.

This is the only thing that gives me a little sympathy for Democrats odd circumlocution and sidestepping of critical issues. Not enough to excuse them, but at least enough to see why they are tempted to do it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:11 AM
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60. 9-11 commission panel had also agreed to NOT USE any of their most damning findings
as discussion points in the media before the election. It was the 'don't politicize 9-11 report' promise BushInc got from them, just as he cajoled Dems like Joe Biden to 'not politicize Iraq war' before the election.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:31 AM
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78. that shit drove me nuts. Why didn't Bill Clinton think of that? "I don't want you to politicize my
penis before the election..."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:41 AM
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79. heh - apparently Bill didn't hold the same sway over GOPs that Bush held over Dems.
.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:53 AM
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81. I don't think he held same sway over Dems Bush does
Dems are still acting more respectful of Bush than they did Clinton.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:59 AM
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83. Not to be outdone, Clinton shows more respect towards Bushes than he does the Dem party
or the public and its right to open government.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:58 PM
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6. Nominated.
I look forward to reading the book.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:59 PM
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8. Sept 5, 2004
Is the date of the article.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:29 PM
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95. He didn't wait.
We (as a nation) didn't listen.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 09:58 PM
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7. Consider the close ties between the Bushies and Saudis
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:01 PM
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9. I Have A Feeling That Even The Biggest Conspiracy Nuts
would be shocked to find out the truth of how corrupted parts of our government are.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:02 PM
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11. sibel edmonds substantiates these kinds of relationships too
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:03 AM
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38. SIBEL EDMONDS is the first person I thought of too when I read this...
...People seem to forget (no matter how much us "conspiracy theorists" try to remind people) that Edmonds basically said that the head of Arabic translations in the FBI was deliberately deleting translations of "intercepts" linked to an Arab nation. And so on...

I can't wait until all this shit blows the neo-cons all out of the water. 9/11 was LIHOP (with a twist of MIHOP).
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:47 PM
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97. I must respectfully disagree!
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 01:47 PM by wildbilln864
911 was definitely MIHOP!
:hi:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:24 PM
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19. Not me.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:49 PM
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34. I second that motion
So much of what we hear today is sloganism and when it comes real life, the rub is the other way. The rich and crusty establishment has set up a government to their liking and the average citizen is just an occasional nuisance that needs to be pushed aside.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:31 AM
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54. Authoritarian rule is not to my liking and the real deciders will not
be brushed aside as an occasional nuisance. A hungry mosquito is quite persistent and if it you kill it there is always another to take its place.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 04:54 PM
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107. It is easy to get angry but the far greater the chore to something about it
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 04:55 PM by nolabels
I would chose the tree, it knows from what came before in it's long preparation for the future. Though we may be in consternation about our present situation as it relates to our society and the government that was erected from it. Ours is to find a way that can work for or in spite of that fact. After the wind has ushered the chaff of this republican government away we may be somewhat worse off but it's still it's not hard to remember where we at before.

The revolution that we experience may not be what we expect and we may not even know it happened till after it happened, but it will happen. Often we have to look back to where we were before we know where we are.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:49 PM
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119. Just watch F911. It's all there.
Makes me nauseous just to think about what it all really means.
:puke: :puke:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:02 PM
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10. I absolutely do not doubt this is true.
:kick:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:04 PM
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12. I hope this won't get 'shunted' anywhere. Sen. Graham lends lots of credence
to this imo. And might I add, :wow: If nothing was untoward, why cover it up?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:06 PM
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13. The two guys who were in San Diego for a while?
Weren't they supported by someone who got money from the wife of a top-ranking Saudi representative in the U.S. Sorry I'm so vague. I recall this story was actually made public shortlly after 9/11 -- if it is the story about the two hijackers who lived in San Dieto for a while.

Saudi Government Provided Aid to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say
By Josh Meyer
The Los Angeles Times

Saturday 02 August 2003

WASHINGTON - The 27 classified pages of a congressional report about Sept. 11 depict a Saudi government that not only provided significant money and aid to the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to flow to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups through suspect charities and other fronts, according to sources familiar with the document.
. . . .
Al Bayoumi was an employee of the Saudi civil aviation authority who FBI agents said received "seemingly unlimited funding" from Saudi Arabia. Bassnan and his family received significant charitable support from Princess Haifa al-Faisal, wife of the Saudi ambassador to the U.S., Prince Bandar bin Sultan. Al Bayoumi and Bassnan are believed to be in Saudi Arabia.

Federal law enforcement officials said they viewed both men with deep suspicion, particularly Al Bayoumi, and that the ties between the purported San Diego-based student and Saudi officials were more extensive than has been disclosed to date. The classified section cites federal authorities as saying they believed both men, each of whom has been linked to Al Qaeda operatives, could have been Saudi intelligence agents who reported back to government officials in Riyadh and acted as conduits for financial aid for the hijackers and other Saudi militants. Sources say the classified section concludes that Al Bayoumi received at least $3,000 a month from Saudi officials.

U.S. officials also said their investigators have become suspicious over the years about the activities of Saudi Arabia's top law enforcement officer, Interior Minister Prince Nayef ibn Abdulaziz, who has been a vocal supporter of radical Islamist causes and has stated publicly that Jews were responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303A.shtml
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:19 PM
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32. And remember Prince Bandar quit to become CEO of The Carlise Group.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:32 PM
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128. And then there's Haifa al-Faisal's brother, Prince Mohammed Al-Faisal Al-Saud...
...whose started Dar Al-Maal Al-Islami (DMI), one of the grand-daddy financial institutions of "Islamic finance" which extensive ties terror-financing. Its US subsidiary is currently under investigation for tax evasion, which is apparently being used as an 'Al Capone' style tactic to try to bust them because the original investigation into this network, via the Operation Greenquest task force, was repeatedly thwarted and died a slow death after it was merged into DHS. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=107555">Here's more on that. But yeah, there's no shortage of direct ties between Saudi royalty and terror financing.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:07 PM
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14. When Graham's book came out, Tweety had him on Hardball...
after the initial pleasantries, Tweety hit him with "Are you saying that the Suadi Government paid the 9-11 hijackers?"

Without blinking, Graham says "Yes!".

Tweety, completely taken aback, thanks Graham for his time, shows the book, and Graham is gone.

Very few interviews after that, and none on his book that I'm aware of.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:19 PM
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17. that was the whole interview?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:46 PM
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27. Yep. Strangest interview ever on Hardball...n/t
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 11:05 PM by Junkdrawer
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:38 PM
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23. I remember that....and his book dying. He always said he knew more
than he could tell.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:02 AM
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72. This is a great thread
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:08 PM
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15. This is what the 28 blanked-out pages in the 9-11 report were about n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:35 PM
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21. And hasn't EVERYONE "in the know" made it clear that the 28 pages were SAUDI references?
Most of us already knew that the 28 pages were deleted
because they mentioned Saudi Arabia in some way or another.

The fact that this mentions Saudi INTEL Agency may be new,
but hardly surprising.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:05 AM
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39. *ahem* .... Isn't the elephant in the room that Saudi Arabia was directly involved with 9/11?
No one, especially in THIS government, wants to talk about that. Because going to war against Saudi Arabia would be "bad for business".

Fucking criminals. Petty criminals, all of them.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:21 AM
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41. i remember these weird-ass commercials on the radio paid for by the
saudi government, basically saying: we are your friends.

i thought that was really creepy--and i thought...why do you need to run these commercials about it?
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:43 PM
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100. According to Craig Unger
in "House of Bush, House of Saud", these commercials were Bandar's idea. (Financed by Bandar, too, if I remember correctly).

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:26 AM
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52. Yes
but also because of Bushco's close links to SA (and disabling America's defenses on the day) it also points to the fact that 9/11 was a joint venture. At this point it's not clear if the Saudi's are manipulating Bushco or vice versa (or if they are simply equal partners).
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:46 AM
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57. It is the CIA, PNAC and the Military -Industrial -Complex that is manipulating...
Bush and his administration -- and the Saudis are puppets. As a pacifist -- - I study destructive wars etc., and there is one main psychological factor of a violent person or Institution --- they crave to have leaders, because they cannot think or act for themselves.

The CIA will never make it clear the reasons for 9/11, because they created the 9/11 actors, I think perhaps more then 30 years ago.

In short, Bush and the Saudis are not leaders -- they are puppets of the Military-Industrial-Complex, CIA, and PNAC.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:03 AM
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131. There is a Pakistani intelligence elephant in the same room! n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 04:54 PM
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108. The Pakis also paid GOP lobbyists to keep damning details out of the 9/11 Comm Report

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=763077&mesg_id=763866
leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-27-06 11:16 AM
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11. GOP lobbyists Spike 9/11 Commission Report on Pakistan-UBL $$$ links Updated at 11:08 AM

Edited on Mon Mar-27-06 11:21 AM by leveymg
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
leveymg (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-14-06 12:17 PM
Did GOP Lobbyists Spike the 9/11 Commission Report?
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 12:56 PM by leveymg
GOP lobbyists working for Pakistan and Saudi Arabia behind censorship of the 9/11 Commission report

Rawstory carried a link yesterday to reports that lobbyists working on behalf of Pakistan had persuaded the 9/11 Commission to drop key references to the link between that countrys military and intelligence services with the network that financed al-Qaeda. Newspapers in India and Pakistan published these reports earlier this week.(see, *links below)

If true, this would NOT be the first time the 9/11 Commission deleted information embarrassing to countries accused of harboring and financing terrorists. At the time of the publication of the Commissions report in 2004, the panel was widely criticized for the 27-page gap that was redacted from the public version. That section reportedly dealt with Saudi funding sources for the 9/11 attack. According to the new reports, similar types of information about Pakistani links to the hijacking were omitted from the final report. The articles that appeared in recent days accuse unnamed members of the Commission or its staff of bowing to lobbyists working for Parvez Musharrif regime.

If these reports are confirmed, it may prompt a reexamination of the files related to 9/11 and would force an official inquiry into the work of the Commissioners, who have been under question for their refusal to incorporate any reference to a Pentagon surveillance program codenamed Able Danger. Officers assigned to that DoD project claim they identified at least four of the 9/11 hijackers months before the attacks occurred. Commission Co-Chairs Lee Hamilton and Tom Keane defended the decision to omit reference to that program, dismissing the Able Danger findings as historically insignificant.

The covert funding and technology flows to Pakistans nuclear program, and its international proliferation under A..Q. Khan, are particularly sensitive issues to both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The U.S. had that nuclear program under surveillance for decades, and during that time, certain American policy-makers appear to have acted in complicity with some aspects of the program. It has been widely known within U.S. intelligence that the same international financial network that funded Khans nuclear proliferation was also a funding source for al-Qaeda.

(*LINKS - http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_ ... ; http://www.thefridaytimes.com / (story available on string at another site, do edit-find for Did Pakistan Influence 9/11 Report : http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18 ... )


THE ABRAMOFF FACTOR

These articles come at time that the work of Washington lobbyists is under close scrutiny after the indictment of Jack Abramoff and associates in a vast scheme to funnel illegal contributions, a considerable portion of which is foreign sourced, to leading GOP lawmakers in order to influence votes, and allegations of influence peddling within the Bush White House. A similar scandal involving defense contractors and Republican Congressman has resulted in the conviction of California Congressmen Randall Cunningham.

Abramoff was the registered lobbyist for Pakistan. In 1997, he is alleged to have arranged the travel of a Congressional delegation to Pakistan without informing the members of his relationship with the government of that country. Pakistan had retained the services of Abramoffs lobbying group, Preston Gates & Ellis in 1995, after Congress imposed human rights sanctions and stopped arm shipments during the period of increasing tensions leading up to the first test explosions of Pakistans nuclear weapons in May, 1998.

According to a New York Times, the trip to Pakistan arranged by Abramoff was sponsored by the National Security Caucus Foundation, a group that claimed to have very prominent figures on its Board, including former Secretaries of State, George Shultz and Henry Kissinger. When the scandal broke, both promptly disclaimed any knowledge of the foundation and the junket:

SNIP
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:24 PM
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18. I've often wondered what Bob and Porter were doing on 9-11
Does Bob discuss this in his book?!?

9/11 - Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) and Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) -- the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees -- along with Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ) and some other members of the House Intelligence Committee are in a meeting at the Capital building with the director of Pakistani intelligence (ISI), Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad, who authorized a $100,000 wire transfer to alleged lead 9/11 hijacker, Mohamed Atta.

A Cloak But No Dagger

"On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban." - Washington Post (05/18/02)

U.S. seeks reform of Pakistan spy agency

"When terrorists flew hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, then ISI chief Gen. Mahmud Ahmad was visiting Washington. The Bush administration asked him to visit Afghanistan and convince the Taliban to surrender al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden, the man believed to have masterminded the attacks.
Instead, Ahmad advised the Taliban not to turn over bin Laden. He argued the Americans were only bluffing and they would not invade Afghanistan. He was fired by Musharraf upon returning from the Taliban headquarters in Kandahar." - UPI (02/20/04)

Spying eyes and ears
"On the morning of Tuesday, Sept. 11, in a room on the House side of the Capitol, Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., and Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla. -- the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, respectively -- met for breakfast. Also at the meeting were Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., and some other members of the House Intelligence Committee.

They were meeting with the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., Maleeha Lodhi, and the director of Pakistani intelligence, Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmed. They were talking about the late-August trip Goss, Graham, and Kyl had made to Pakistan." - Salon (09/14/01)

Our Friends the Pakistanis
"Yesterday we noted a report from a Pakistani newspaper that Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad had been fired as head of Islamabad's Inter-Services Security agency after U.S. linked him to a militant allied with terrorists who hijacked an Indian Airlines plane in 1999. Now the Times of India says Ahmad is connected to the Sept. 11 attacks:
Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd.
Senior government sources have confirmed that India contributed significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and the role played by the dismissed ISI chief. While they did not provide details, they said that Indian inputs, including Sheikh's mobile phone number, helped the FBI in tracing and establishing the link." - Wall Street Journal (10/10/01)




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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:23 AM
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46. Bob had also been told about the attacks before they happened. Google Randy Glass. nt
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:59 PM
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88. Yes, does anyone know if Graham references this meeting in the book?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:31 PM
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20. FYI: Dated September 25, 2004. But history doesn't change.
Usually. nt
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:37 PM
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22. Bob Graham: "Frankly, my friends, blood is going to be on your hands."
Intelligence Matters





Running Scared

By Michael Grunwald
May 4, 2003, Page W08


Everybody knew that Graham was a sober, conscientious, unfailingly courteous grandfather who couldn't light up a room with a barrel of Iraqi crude and a Zippo. The Almanac of American Politics had described him as "careful, methodical, thorough, hardworking, reliable" -- it might as well have added "zzzzzzz." He was known as one of those mild-mannered moderates who don't rock boats or make enemies or generate buzz, who respect the dignity of their august institution and the opinions of their distinguished colleagues.
"I appreciate the thoughtful remarks of the senator from Connecticut and the senator from Arizona," Graham began. He wore a plain gray suit and one of his trademark Florida ties, with Mrs. Grundyish glasses perched at the end of his nose. The Florida reporters in the gallery braced for a typical Bob Graham speech: high-minded, long-winded and entirely devoid of quotable sound bites.

And then he started yelling about terror and danger and death.

"We are not talking about a threat 90 days from now!" Graham roared. "We are not talking about a threat that may come a year from now if nuclear material is made available!" His cherubic face turned purple. He gesticulated like a manic third-base coach, jabbing his fingers, pumping his fists, sweeping his hands across the lectern. "I am talking about a threat that could happen THIS AFTERNOON!"
Bob Graham as a modern-day Paul Revere? Bob Graham as a screaming-banshee Chicken Little? "I'd never seen Bob like that," recalls his best friend in the Senate, Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia. At his golf club in Miami Lakes, Fla., Graham was notorious for his plodding pace, for analyzing and reanalyzing every putt from every angle. He had a similar reputation as the Democratic chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, where he was dissed behind his back as the Tortoise for his earnest six-part questions and incessant requests for meetings.

......

But now, suddenly, Graham was preaching like a prophet of doom, hectoring his colleagues that Americans were dangerously vulnerable to terrorist attacks, that militant groups like Hezbollah could be even deadlier than al Qaeda or Saddam Hussein, that war in Iraq would only increase the threat at home. And then he went further: "If you believe that the American people are not going to be at additional threat, then, frankly, my friends -- to use a blunt term -- blood is going to be on your hands."

Bob Graham said the Senate would have blood on its hands?

"I was like, Whoa! No way Uncle Bob said that!" marvels William E. Graham, the senator's nephew and the CEO of the Graham Companies, the family's real estate firm. Paul Anderson, the senator's communications director, had helped prepare Graham's floor remarks, and he knew he hadn't written anything about blood on anyone's hands. "I was completely speechless," Anderson says. Several former Graham aides frantically e-mailed one another transcripts, with "Wow" in the subject line. "We were all asking each other: Is this our Bob Graham?" says Margaret Kempel, who used to run Graham's South Florida office. "He's never been a freakout guy."

Suddenly, Bob Graham has become a freakout guy. In fact, assuming he continues to recover from January surgery to replace a valve in his heart, he plans to run for president as a kind of freakout candidate, a red-alert politician for a freakout nation. He rails about "hardened assassins" living among us, plotting attacks on American soil.
He fumes about dramatic intelligence failures, massive security gaps, "modern Armageddon." He frets about seaports and airports, nuclear plants and chemical plants. "It would be relatively easy," he says, "for a terrorist to poison a water utility and kill thousands of people." He hasn't screamed much since the blood-on-your-hands speech -- and he's been particularly measured since his own brush with mortality -- but he now peppers his methodical geekspeak with words like "outrageous" and "scandalous" and "inexcusable." As this article went to press, Hussein's fall had not provoked any new attacks in America, but Graham still insists that the risk to Americans from terrorism is as high as ever. "The gun," he warns, "is still loaded." .....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:42 PM
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26. That's a frightening report! And we find out the Saudi's are financing the Sunni's who are
now doing a lot of the carnage in Iraq in the past week or so. Are they just helping their fellow Sunni's or were they put up to it by the BushBots or Negroponte to stir up trouble to justify "The Surge." :-(
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:28 AM
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51. They want chaos.
They don't take sides based on principle. They take sides based on calculated effect.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:16 PM
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31. You know it was said he was close friends with Porter Goss
The fact that bush nominated him for top CIA position did not fare well with allot of people.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:39 PM
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24. And Saudi government = Bandar Bush nt
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:40 PM
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25. WTF: "FBI blocked a congressional investigation"
How the fuck is this possible? More like the republic majority allowed the FBI to block the investigation.

This is unfucking believable shirking of sworn duty approaches treason on the highest order! Why couldn't a Senator of the United States get this story out? Why did it wait for a book? This should have been page 1 news.

I'm sick.
-Hoot
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:07 AM
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40. Not to mention, Sibel Edmond's testimony was BLOCKED by Rumsfeld due
to "National Security".

Are we starting to put the pieces of the puzzle together yet?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:55 PM
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28. kicked...
and recommended!
:hi:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:55 PM
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29. I have the hard copy of intelligence matters
From a few years ago, never got to read it trying keeping up with everything else, anyone interested pm me I'm willing to lend it.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:15 PM
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30. K & R - but I cant say I'm happy about it.
Just when I think it can't possibly get any worse...it does.
Just when I think nothing can shock me anymore, something like THIS comes to light.

The neocons really believe American citizens are (or should be) like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

Well, I'm SICK of it!!! Sick of being lied to and deceived, sick of having vital information kept from me for--what?--"purposes of national security." Isn't that the usual cop-out?
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:21 PM
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33. K&R - Investigate. Impeach. Indict. Imprison. NOW, DAMMIT! They have to be stopped...n/t
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:54 PM
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35. I'm going to file this next to Cheney's unexpected summoning to Saudi Arabia.
Not that there's any connection to this administration's legal unraveling, mind you.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:21 AM
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36. A blurb from the preview at Amazon...
For ten years, Senator Graham served on the Senate Intelligence Committee, where he had access to some of the nations most closely guarded secrets. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, Graham co-chaired a historic joint House-Senate inquiry into the intelligence communitys failures. From that investigation and his own personal fact-finding, Graham discovered disturbing evidence of terrorist activity and a web of complicity:

At one point, a terrorist support network conducted some of its operations through Saudi Arabias U.S. embassyand a funding chain for terrorism led to the Saudi royal family.
In February 2002, only four months after combat began in Afghanistan, the Bush administration ordered General Tommy Franks to move vital military resources out of Afghanistan for an operation against Iraqdespite Frankss privately stated belief that there was a job to finish in Afghanistan, and that the war on terrorism should focus next on terrorist targets in Somalia and Yemen.
Throughout 2002, President Bush directed the FBI to limit its investigations of Saudi Arabia, which supported some and possibly all of the September 11 hijackers.
The White House was so uncooperative with the bipartisan inquiry that its behavior bore all the hallmarks of a cover-up.
The FBI had an informant who was extremely close to two of the September 11 hijackers, and actually housed one of them, yet the existence of this informant and the scope of his contacts with the hijackers were covered up.
There were twelve instances when the September 11 plot could have been discovered and potentially foiled.
Days after 9/11, U.S. authorities allowed some Saudis to fly, despite a complete civil aviation ban, after which the government expedited the departure of more than one hundred Saudis from the United States.
Foreign leaders throughout the Middle East warned President Bush of exactly what would happen in a postwar Iraq, and those warnings went either ignored or unheeded.


As a result of his Senate work, Graham has become convinced that the attacks of September 11 could have been avoided, and that the Bush administrations war on terrorism has failed to address the immediate danger posed by al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas in Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia. His book is a disturbing reminder that at the highest levels of national security, now more than ever, intelligence matters.
<snip>
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:00 AM
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37. Unbelievable, isn't it?
But true. there are too many of these kinds of "oddities" surrounding 911. There needs to be a new investigation!!!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:32 AM
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43. K&R, and damn them all to hell for it
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:55 AM
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44. Bomb dropping sound...
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 02:57 AM by usregimechange
On edit, NSA and FBI agents, that was a figure of speech. I meant that this in my opinion is a big story, please don't arrest me and hold me without access to my Constitutional rights. Oh and please stop listening to me and do your fucking job!
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:19 AM
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45. I knew it -- all along from day one that 9/11 was state sponsored by the Saudi Government...
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 06:25 AM by PhilipShore
and that Bush is to afraid to to start a war with the Saudis -- because of oil; and the Saudi secret service knew this when they planned 9/11, that Bush would never question them.

Saudis consider nuclear bomb

The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1044402,00.html

Saudi Arabia, in response to the current upheaval in the Middle East, has embarked on a strategic review that includes acquiring nuclear weapons, the Guardian has learned.

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:28 AM
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53. As per my comment upthread
I think it's more likely that it was a joint venture because both sides profit enormously.
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:53 AM
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61. No wait, Bush is on the Saudi time
and they are on his.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:57 AM
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47. I wonder if they were the two guys who showed up on Jack Abramoff's boat?
I wonder if they were the same two guys who showed up on Jack Abramoff's boat?

http://www.casinowatch.org/terrorists/terrorists_at_casinos.html

Or the two guys who were living with an FBI informant?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essaykhalidandnawaf

Or if they were also the same guys living next door to Mossad agents?

http://summeroftruth.org/atta.html

None of which can be found in this source:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:16 AM
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48. We crossed the Impeachment border, oh, months ago.
And walked into the land of Treason.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:21 AM
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50. Which is why the 9/11 Commission did not "follow the money",
but rather said the financing of 9/11 wasn't important.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:35 AM
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55. Why isn't this on every news network accross the land? Our soldiers
are dying in Iraq over nothing but this gets a pass. I cannot wait for this nightmare to be over. Congress!!! DO SOMETHING!
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:38 AM
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56. It's quite simple:
an American faction (Bushco) colluded with SA operatives to provide a "new Pearl Harbor". Bushco gain unprecedented power and the political will to knock down SA's rivals (Saddam, Iran, Syria). Bushco even model themselves on the SA administration with policies designed to merge church and state and promote religious fundamentalism and reduce liberal freedoms.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:50 AM
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58. Drip, drip, drip....more truth coming out...
Some day, we will all know the truth about 9/11....
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:06 AM
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59. Dear Bob,
Why the fuck did you and Porter Goss meet on the morning of 9/11 on Capitol Hill with a guy who directed a $100,000 wire transfer to Mohammed Atta, Pakistan's intelligence chief Mahmood Ahmad?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:42 AM
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80. I WOULD LIKE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED AS WELL...MANY WHO KNOW ABOUT
IT WOULD LIKE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED AS WELL!!

as a democratic Kerry delegate for fla i have even asked Bob that and he did not answer!! He poo poo'ed the question!!

As a flight crew of one of the airlines involved ( NY base)..i told him i wanted an answer...but he refused to answer! He said he would talk to me indivually...but when i met with him..he found many people to distract him so he never answered me! He more like avoided me!

fly

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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:09 PM
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84. Once CIA always CIA -- the CIA has politicians that are CIA agents...
Graham -- could be a CIA agent. In Florida -- politically charged issues are frequently looked into by people; that will not look into it, giving the impression that they are the watchdog --- when they are really not, which is a typical Repuke strategy.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:58 PM
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116. "could be a CIA agent."
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 06:59 PM by Boojatta
Have any actual evidence that he is a CIA agent? Also, supposing that he is a CIA agent, how do you know that there aren't strategic reasons for now revealing some truth?

Basically are saying that anyone could be a CIA agent and that therefore any author could be a CIA agent and that therefore this particular book should be ignored provided that we have a negative attitude towards all Republicans?

Also, what has happened when there has been a Democratic President? Is the CIA always simply a tool of the Republican party?
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:58 AM
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123. Operation Mockingbird the CIA and Philip Graham (Brother of Bob Graham)
Operation Mockingbird
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

Operation Mockingbird is a Central Intelligence Agency operation to influence domestic and foreign media, whose activities were made public during the Church Committee investigation in 1975 (published 1976).

Later that year Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic and foreign media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. According to Deborah Davis ("Katharine the Great"): "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles." <2>

__________________________________________


CIA Disinformation in Action: Operation Mockingbird and the Washington Post
Mockingbird examples with introduction by H. Michael Sweeney, proparanoid.com
Document by Julian Holmes
No copyright - Public Domain

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ciadisinfoinaction28mar05.shtml


That is the covert role played by the Washington Post in CIA's Operation Mockingbird, which is the infiltration and control of American media to insure that you and I never quite hear the truth as it really is. You will learn how the owner/publisher of the Post, Phillip Graham and graduate of the Army Intelligence School was literally the founding director of Operation Mockingbird on behalf of CIA.

________________________________________

Phil Graham
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Graham

Philip Leslie Graham (July 18, 1915 August 3, 1963) was an American publisher and businessman. He was the publisher (from 1946 until his death) and co-owner (from 1948) of The Washington Post. He was married to Katharine Graham, the daughter of Eugene Meyer, the previous owner of The Washington Post.

...One brother, Bob Graham has had a notable career in government, as a former governor of the state of Florida (19791987) and a former United States Senator representing Florida from 1987 to 2005.

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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:19 PM
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125. "insure that you and I never quite hear the truth as it really is."
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 01:21 PM by Boojatta
If we never hear the truth, then how do we know that what we hear is never the truth? If we personally investigate, then can we interview anyone or rely on any documents?

It's possible to influence people without misleading them.

If the Chinese government employs people to read messages posted on the internet by ordinary Chinese citizens, then it doesn't seem paranoid to suppose that they might also employ people to influence major media companies in the Western world. I would think that some effort to monitor and even counteract that kind of thing can be perfectly legitimate.

You know that governments around the world make or buy guns, bombs, etc. designed for use against human beings rather than for use against dinosaurs that have escaped from parks, right? Surely it's less sinister to find ways to resolve conflicts with words than to get involved in armed hostilities, no?


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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:54 AM
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82. find his email address and ask him. He probably aint doing much now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:13 PM
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:56 AM
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62. And let me guess, impeachment is still off the table
excuse me while I barf.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:03 AM
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63. K & R n/t
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:04 AM
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64. Wasn't Atta also funded
by someone from Pakistani intelligence agency, or was that just speculation?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:15 AM
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65. My recollection is that an ISI figure was the middleman
But that it is "unclear" where his funds came from (ie, presumably SA).

I'm sure some of the dungeoneers could tell you more about it...
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:24 AM
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77. Thanks
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 11:34 AM by Marie26
I wish the "dungeoneers" would spend more time just following the money instead of talking about how there weren't any planes. Because I do think there is more to 9/11 than the public knows. Who financed these guys? Why? Why is that we still don't know, after 6 years of extensive investigation?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:09 PM
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91. Same here
Actually, there's two issues I have:

1. The money
2. The identities and pre-attack locations and activities of the presumed hijackers

I don't think we know who all 19 people on the plane were -- there was a lot of forgery involved many of them had ridiculously common names. I think the FBI needed to nail down some names very early on (and in fact they listed them all by the next day) and somebody's got too much reputation tied up in that call to back down now, even 5 years later.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:58 PM
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102. Many of the dungeoneers do focus on the money trail
and other political connections.
Sometimes it's hard to see that with all the
wild speculative theories about the physical evidence and all the noise added by the people who
give visibility to the wild theories by engaging in non-stop debate
trying to de-bunk them.

cooperativeresearch.org is a good place to start to separate dis-info from info.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:47 AM
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69. Daniel Pearl investigating ISI-al Qaeda connection. CIA, al Qaeda, ISI pretzels
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 10:47 AM by yurbud
Cooperative Research has a timeline on ISI & al Qaeda links.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&geopolitics_and_9/11=isi

Daniel Pearl was investigating the ISI al Qaeda link
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_20141.html

The guy who kidnapped Pearl and went to an ISI base after kidnapping Pearl also sent money to Atta.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/05/inv.terror.investigation/

Daniel Pearl's kidnappers made one very odd demand: that the US deliver F-16s earlier promised to Pakistan.

From the Guardian:

Other aspects appeared unusual. One of the kidnappers' demands was for the delivery of several F-16 fighter jets bought by Pakistan from the US in the early 1990s, a deal that was later cancelled. No militant group in Pakistan has ever before shown any interest in the F-16 deal.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4462107,00.html


A Pakistani air force pilot briefly replaced Atta's roommate, and he had contact with another Pakistani air force pilot. maybe these guys were disgruntled fellow travelers not government agents, just as Tim McVeigh wasn't acting at the behest of the US Army just because he was a vet.

This is a lot like the first World Trade Center bombing, where the FBI had an informant in the circle of hijackers, who knew every move those guys were going to do, and balked at some of his orders from his handlers. The line between informer and agent provocateur looked like it was being crossed.

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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:42 PM
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101. More on Daniel Pearl and the ISI
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/KUP209A.html

Daniel Pearl and the Paymaster of 9/11:
9/11 and The Smoking Gun that Turned On its Tracker
by Chaim Kupferberg
4 September 2002 (revised 21 September 2002)

It was supposed to be the key chain of evidence linking the September 11 hijackers to Osama bin Laden -- a wire transfer of $100,000 to lead hijacker Mohamed Atta. For a public increasingly skeptical of evidence culled from passports in the rubble and flight manuals in the glove compartment, here was the "money" shot, a financial trail leading to the fall of the Twin Towers. Yet less than five months later, the man initially fingered as the paymaster of 9/11 would be sitting in a Pakistani jail, accused of a wholly different crime -- the murder of Daniel Pearl.

Depending on where or when you have read his name, he is known as Ahmad Omar Saeed Sheikh, or Umar Sheikh, or Syed Sheikh(if you write for CNN). For simplicity's sake, we will refer to him as Omar Saeed, a Pakistani-born former student of the London School of Economics who grew up in the suburbs of Great Britain. Under the alias of Mustafa Mohammed Ahmad, he was reported to have wired $100,000 to a bank account in Florida belonging to 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta.

"U.S. investigators believe they have found the 'smoking gun' linking Osama bin Laden to the September 11 terror attacks," wrote Julian Borger and John Hooper of The Guardian on October 1, 2001. That very same day, a terror group based in Pakistan, the Jaish-e-Mohammed, claimed responsibility for a suicide attack against the provincial legislature in Kashmir, leaving 38 dead -- and Pakistan on the brink of war with India. . . (more at link)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:05 PM
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113. good find. I remember the magic passport.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:03 PM
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109. Yes. Atta also got $100,000 from Ahmed, sent via Atta's Hamburg roommate,
Ramzi bin al-Sheibh, who also sent money to the other principal 9/11 hijackers, Ft. 77 skyjackers, al-Hazmi and al-Midhar, who Graham is referring to in his book.
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SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:28 AM
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66. Treason. Gross and bloody treason. For money. nt
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:35 AM
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67. Now THIS Biotch is IMPEACHABLE. Period.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:45 AM
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68. Shame we never had a real investigation of 9/11.
When Bush-Cheney agreed to only appear in front of the commission, together, not sworn in and in private...after many months of stonewalling a real effort to investigate...I knew the fix was in. When Bush picked Hamilton and Kean to run the Committee, I knew it was not going to find the truth about what happened on that day.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:54 AM
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70. The problem is Americans refuse to even consider this level of betrayal by our leaders
If we were talking about somewhere else, people would at least consider it, but our sense of American exceptionalism and moral superiority is a firewall that protects the people who did this. Being able to dismiss these kinds of misdeeds as a conspiracy theory is a symptom of that.

There has been enough evidence to pursue this further, and the gaps that need to be filled in to connect the dots aren't that large. The only question is whether Congress will do it and the American people can absorb it.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 04:12 PM
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104. Absolutely right. And the traitors bank on the American sheeple to
never imagine their government could do such a thing. After all, only half of them even bother to vote . . . folks need to get their heads out of their televisions, wake up, and smell the coffee.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:04 PM
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112. coffee? COFFEE?! where's coffee? oh, what were we talking about...
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:59 AM
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71. Wake-up and smell the MIHOP!!!! n/t
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:04 AM
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73. ...who had direct ties to the Bush Family.
We all knew this, but I'm happy it's finally coming to the forefront.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:11 AM
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75. FRONTLINE: Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia put together a car bombing for us in Lebanon
This is circumstantial evidence, but does show a pattern: we wanted a terrorist act off the books and went to Saudis.

He was also the guy smoking stogies with Bush a couple of days after 9/11, looking out on the still smoldering Pentagon.

Bandar resigned his post as ambassador to the US after 20 years in the summer of 2005.






BOB WOODWARD: Casey had lunch with Prince Bandar, the Saudi Ambassador to the United States, one of the most powerful figures even today in Washington. And they went for a stroll in the garden and they said, "We have to go off the books." And they agreed that the Saudis would put up the money to hire some professionals to go and try to car-bomb Sheik Fadlallah.

And it was so off the books, there's no evidence that Reagan knew about it or Weinberger or Schultz. It was Casey on his own, saying, "I'm going to solve the big problem by essentially getting tougher or as tough as the terrorists in using their weapon, the car bomb."


NARRATOR: The new U.S.-and-Saudi-backed Lebanese counterterrorist group set up a car bombing near a Beirut mosque.

JIM HOUGAN, Author/Journalist: The bombing took place in a public square, when the mosque let out and when it was thought that Fahdlallah would be coming through. In effect, you had hundreds of people who were leaving the Muslim equivalent of church. More than 80 people were killed. The remark at the time was that we- everyone was certain it was a CIA operation because everybody got killed except the target.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/script.html
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:29 PM
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85. A most excellent post.
This is why I read DU. Thanks!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:35 PM
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86. The Flight 77 hijackers (Pentagon) were given money traced to the wife of the Saudi Ambassador, and
met immediately upon their arrival in LA on January 15, 2000 by a man who worked for Saudi Aviation Ministry -- who had a long meeting at the Saudi Consulate -- just before he met them at an airport restraurant. That same Saudi Aviation Ministry then drove al-Midhar and al-Hazmi to San Diego, where a second man with confessed ties to Saudi intelligence (and the FBI) gave the pair an apartment, before passing them off a few weeks later to yet a third man, a cleric, who was being suppported by a Saudi-based religious organization.

Of course they had ties to Saudi intelligence. This is no secret - it's been known since publication of the Joint Intelligence Commmittee report in late 2002. See, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00257.htm

The Bush Administration knew all about them, having been fully briefed about Operation Catchers Mitt and related counter-terrorism operations the US was jointly conducting with several foreign intelligence agencies inside the US. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/11/105117/571
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:24 PM
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93. Does anyone know if the 9/11 commission addressed this?
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 01:48 PM by pberq
somehow I doubt it.


"The Bush Administration knew all about them, having been fully briefed about Operation Catchers Mitt and related counter-terrorism operations the US was jointly conducting with several foreign intelligence agencies inside the US." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/11/105117/571



(edited for spelling)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:27 PM
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94. This is in the 27-pages that were redacted.
Silly, really, since many of the details are already on the record.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:36 PM
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87. Were they the ones seen at the casino, I wonder?
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:01 PM
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89. k&r.nt
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:04 PM
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90. Although many of us already knew this
It's good to hear it in the mainstream again.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:31 PM
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96. Time to watch my DVD of Fahrenheit 911 again. Seems Michael Moore was listening
to Bob Graham all along?

Recommended.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:57 PM
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98. about time this comes out. Glad this post hasn't been buried in the
DU 9/11 forum basement. K & R.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:15 PM
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99. "About time this came out"... WTF DUers, where have you been?
Im sorry, it is just my impatience. I'm just so fed up with people who aren't paying attention. This story is over a year old and it went down the memory hole along with so much other crap. Meanwhile 9/11 can't be discussed in the GF -- and that fact is one of the reasons so many are shocked to hear what has been known by those of us 'in the dungeon' for so long. 9/11 was an inside job. There is no two ways about it -- and 9/11 truth is the ONE THING that could stop these madmen from opening up world war III. It could have stopped them YEARS ago if people had been willing to entertain the depth of depravity that has happened. A cabal within the military industrial complex has taken over our country and our national security priorities. It IS treason and it has been for six god damned years!

:argh:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:59 PM
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103. I'll kick that. - n/t
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 04:24 PM
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105. Slap in the face to Truth Seekers
Allowing this to stay in GD and Greatest. Dont get me wrong I love the exposure of 911 and the inconsistancies but this is hypocritical to extreme.I have seen much more reputable findings sent to the dungeon.
I have news for you so called Official Conspiracy Theorists, The September 11 forum houses all these shady coverups and much much more.

Call me a loon IDGAF.
911 was an inside job.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:30 PM
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110. kick and rec'd, especially for
that last comment.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:24 PM
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114. If the great Senator Graham knows enough to write a book,

then so do the other Senators!!!!

the public continues to be betrayed.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:38 PM
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111. Bob's brother Phil, WaPo publisher, married to Katherine Graham
Philip Graham, Bob's older brother, was married to Katherine Graham and he became publisher of the Washington Post when her father Eugene Meyer was appointed the first head of the World Bank. Meyer had previously been in various financial positions including head of the War Finance Corporation under Wilson and Chair of the BofG of the Federal Reserve under Hoover. Phil was also military intelligence.

If you are unfamiliar with these families and their connections, search around the Net a bit for some background. Their roots often run deep.


Then remember that people like Woodward work for the the Post and that Newsweek is also a property.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:15 PM
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117. Then people posting on DU get all unglued because some of us criticize ..........
these various Senators and Congress persons. It's not that many of us desire any republicans representing us but more of that sometimes it's getting hard to tell the difference.
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GETPLANING Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:35 PM
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115. Bush also blocked the FBI investigation of the Cole attack
when the FBI found it had been financed by Saudis. Isn't it clear where Bush/Cheney's loyalties are? Israel and Saudi Arabia.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:33 PM
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118. LIHOP
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:57 PM
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120. Must...
KICK!

:hi:
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BrokenBeyondRepair Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:34 AM
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121. the picture gets clearer and clearer
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:09 AM
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122. Do you refer to this picture?
Of Commander AWOL kissing his dear Saudi friends,
while he deserts the USA?

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:07 PM
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124. Must kick!
:hi:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:57 PM
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127. Impeach the whole Bush/PNAC cabal!
Yesterday damnit! :wtf:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:32 PM
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126. kick
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:56 PM
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129. Kickety-kick...n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 11:43 PM
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130. can I kick my own thread?
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