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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:40 AM
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Judge Walton Issues New Libby Court Order - BUSH CAN"T EVEN GET OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE RIGHT
Edited on Wed Jul-04-07 07:56 AM by kpete
This is a showdown, people.
A showdown in court in front of Walton and with Fitz.



Judge Walton Issues New Libby Court Order
by pontificator
Tue Jul 03, 2007

It appears that President Bush made a serious mistake in his Commutation Order. As justification for invalidating Libby's prison sentence, he pointed out that Libby would still be subject to two years probation, a harsh sentence, Bush says (rolls eyes).

Oops!

As Judge Walton just noticed, it looks like Libby won't even serve probation, since, under the federal system, "supervised release," as it is called, can only follow an actual prison sentence.

Talk about incompetence. Bush can't even get Obstruction of Justice right!

New Court Order here (warning -- pdf):
http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy...


As a special bonus, make sure you check out footnote 1. Hahahahahahahahaha!

If either party believes that it would be helpful to solicit clarification from the White House regarding the President's position on the proper interpretation of Sec 3583 in light of its Grant of Executive Clemency, they are encouraged to do so.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/3/222342/4056


FROM CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush spared former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby from prison, and his clemency order may wipe out Libby's 2-year probation as well, the trial judge told lawyers Tuesday.


A conviction remains on Scooter Libby's record, and he must still pay a $250,000 fine.

Strictly interpreted, the statute authorizing probation indicates that supervised release "should occur only after the defendant has already served a term of imprisonment," U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton wrote.

Walton ordered lawyers to weigh in with their arguments on the matter by Monday.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/03/libby.sentence/i...


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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:42 AM
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1. Does this mean that the soft, wimpy sissy is still going to jail....
....
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:45 AM
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4. no, it means he is scot free
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:48 AM
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5. no it just means
the date of the presidential pardon has been fast tracked

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:53 AM
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8. If he's pardoned, then congress gets a green light to pull Libby in to testify...
...about everything he knows, right? :D

This is actually getting comical! :rofl:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:27 AM
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21. but libby can't remember anything
the pressure of the trial, and the thought of going to jail has cause SIA (Stressed Induced Amnesia)
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:34 AM
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22. However, after he's pardoned, he has nothing to fear by spilling the beans...
...except for small airplanes ;). Would Scooter dare try to pull an "Alberto" in front of congress? :shrug:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:40 AM
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25. Would Scooter dare try to pull an "Alberto" in front of congress?
of course he would

many of the loyal bushies have had their brains washed and the washing machines are stuck on 'spin'

:rofl:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. LOL !!! - That's A Good One Rad !!!
Edited on Wed Jul-04-07 10:02 AM by WillyT
:rofl: :yourock: :rofl:

:hi:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #25
48. That IS a good one! ROFL!
But I suspect it's also true - libby probably wouldn't offer much especially with cheney's grip on his nuts under the table.

EVEN SO.

EVEN SO.

We STILL need to pursue justice, and fresh and and sunshine as a disinfectant on all this horrible shit that's come down from these people. IMPEACHMENT!!! NOW!!! For BOTH of 'em!!!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #48
67. Hi, Calimary... Good to read your opinion, and I totally agree.
More later... company here tonight, and I just sneaked away to read what the hell is happening.

On the "Good News" front, I was so please to hear about the release of BBC's Alan Johnson. His photograph was posted near where we stayed in London. We saw it at night, while my husband took a photo of him, and I bowed my head in prayer to the Great Spirit, however defined, to spare his life.

I've missed the coverage because of other commitments here at home. So how was your holiday?

Radio Lady in Oregon
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 09:02 PM
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61. Good one, that should get a Duzy Award nt
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 05:20 AM
Response to Reply #25
74. Wow - a new verb. Send this to Webster.
To alberto = to pretend to suffer from alzheimers
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #22
41. He pulled and "Alberto" in front of a Grand Jury.... and got away with it.
Why not in front of congress?? Condi, Rummy, Gonzo, Monica, and the rest of the Hee-Haw gang have done it and lived to fuck up the country another day - why not Scooter?
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #22
44. oh please, who wants to be sued again or be brought up on charges for something else
Libby is never talking again about this case. I'm sure he has had it up to here with lawyers and the legal process. He will cooperate at the minimum level and offer up nothing asked at any congressional hearings.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #22
72. Well, he might certainly fear the loss of future millions...
... sure to slide his way so long as he keeps his mouth shut.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #22
75. Scooter was only tried for obstruction, not treason.
If he told what he knew, without immunity, they would be fitting him for a noose.

He is still on the hook for outing a covert agent, he hasn't been tried for that.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. And the "lovely" man has suffered so much already. The Dems
won't do anything - they are so afraid of that 29% who approve of letting Libby go scot free.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. when you don't have a spine,
it's impossible for the last straw to break your back

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #26
64. 'Tis obvious to even a moron that this gang can't shoot straight..
Snow said Tuesday that Bush "spent weeks and weeks consulting with senior members of this White House" before deciding on the commutation.

Who are the senior members ..


Did they run this one by Alberto Gonzales?

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
66. If we recruited those torture specialists from Gitmo
They might be able to convince Libby to testify truthfully. If he wants to keep his jewels connected.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #8
43. That would be great....
of course Libby is not above perjury.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
59. Haul him in and see if he lies again....
and that would a new crime... hehehe
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #1
28. Nope. No jail. No probation, either.
Edited on Wed Jul-04-07 08:57 AM by Buns_of_Fire
And DICK and his buddies will no doubt pony up the $250,000 fine. The conviction still stands, but Bananabreath will probably take care of that before he's ridden out of town on a rail.

Who's afeered of laws and sentencing guidelines when you're "in" with the BFEE? "Not I," says ScootiePoot. :puke:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:43 AM
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2. Self-delete. Misread this. eom
Edited on Wed Jul-04-07 07:55 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:45 AM
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3. a bit piqued?
I just LOVE the footnote.

He can't fight it, but he can do what he can to make it worse!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. Well, this is going to get interesting.
I read somewhere that these commutations were only suppose to happen while someone was serving time. Maybe that's why there was no provision for probation?
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #10
39. Bush signed a signing statement saying he could commute someone's jail sentence
even before that someone went to jail (as long as the guilty party is a sleazy, right-wing shill).

Judge Walton, don't make George mad or he'll have a tantrum in the Oval Office. If he says Scooter can go free, then Scooter will be free. How dare you second-guess the Decider?
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #10
55. And after they've exhausted all their appeals. nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:49 AM
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6. I like men who actually take their jobs
seriously. Thank you Judge Walton.

Bush is one dumb clusterfuck. He and his lawyer goons only study how to beat the system. They don't really know the law.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:19 AM
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19. And that in the end will be their undoing
I have confidence that we, America, is stronger than a band of theives, I hope anyway
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:51 AM
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7. gawd. I hope Fritz can right this wrong.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:55 AM
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9. MSNBC story linked here:
Edited on Wed Jul-04-07 07:57 AM by emulatorloo
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:04 AM
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11. Judge Walton's footnote tells it all....
It is SO good I just have to repeat it, I just have to!


If either party believes that it would be helpful to solicit clarification from the White House regarding the President's position on the proper interpretation of Sec 3583 in light of its Grant of Executive Clemency, they are encouraged to do so.



I now award Judge Walton the grand prize for judicial snark!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Go Reggie!
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:19 AM
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18. seconded
"It is an impressive show of public service when twelve prominent and distinguished current and former law professors of well-respected schools are able to amass their collective wisdom in the course of only several days to provide their legal expertise to the Court on behalf of a criminal defendant. The Court trusts that this is a reflection of these eminent academics' willingness in the future to step to the plate and provide like assistance in cases involving any of the numerous litigants, both in the Court and throughout the courts of our nation, who lack the financial means to fully and properly articulate the merits of their legal positions even in instances where failure to do so could result in monetary penalties, incarceration, or worse. The Court will certainly not hesitate to call for such assistance from these luminaries, as necessary in the interests of justice and equity, whenever similar questions arise in the cases that come before it."

(as seen on) http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/0...
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:42 AM
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35. Another absolute Walton gem!!
Edited on Wed Jul-04-07 11:00 AM by Spazito
Judge Walton was so far ahead of the pathetic "dream team" libby defense in every aspect it was positively delicious to see and the footnote above is another example of Walton's brilliance, both as a Judge and a person with a scathing wit.

Edited to add:

I just realized something else this Order does that has to enrage the bushcheney admin and that is:

By giving the defense and Fitzgerald until Monday to submit their responses, he has ENSURED that the issue won't be lost because of the July 4th holiday! They submit their responses on Monday, he takes a day or two to rule, makes his ruling AFTER the public are back at home and at work which means the hope of the bushcheney admin that their travesty of justice actions will be hidden is foiled. It WILL NOT be lost due to timing.

Damn, Judge Walton, you are beyond brilliant! In fact, :yourock:
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #11
29. Definitely a classic...
Translation: "If either party wants to save itself some time and trouble before proceeding further, check with the loser in the WH first to see how he intends to circumvent the law this time. Your mileage may vary."

(One reason I've never been hired to write tactful memos and the like.)
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:50 AM
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36. Another translation
I also "read" in his note that he's making a point that 1) bush is not an attorney and 2) bush doesn't know the law and perhaps it also implies that 3) bush is an idiot trying to play games with the big kids.

At least, that's another "read" I got from it.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
68. Yeah, those lights in the WH will be burning bright... hopefully charring the ass of whoever is
charged with writing the answer to THAT ONE.

The pResident will be asleep at the switch, as usual.

I hate this administration so much that I decided NOT to pay any attention to things political for one day. The governed must rise up and take the power away from these criminals.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:05 AM
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12. Regarding the footnote of Judge Walton.
George Bush is the Decider, not the Explainer.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:06 AM
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13. That footnote should go down in history.
:rofl:

Thank you, Judge Walton! :patriot:
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DemSoccerMom Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #13
57. Agreed.
Edited on Wed Jul-04-07 07:36 PM by DemSoccerMom
It's definitely priceless.

Anyone know the switchboard's number at the courthouse? I think he def. needs to hear words of encouragement from DU.

EDIT for typo
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:09 AM
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14. Judge Walton
:applause:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:11 AM
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15. I am not counting out Walton and Fitz quite yet.
Neither one strikes me as the kind of people you want to piss off.

This may get interesting before it is all over.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:16 AM
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17. My thinking as well. the fact that Fitz commented on the Libby commutation
tells me he takes his justice and rule of law seriously--and good on him for it! :patriot:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. I suspect there has some back channel work on this case.
And there will be some more at this time.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:15 AM
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16. No jail time, no probation, and others will pay his fine. Fuck me, fuck you, and fuck everyone else
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:39 AM
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24. The blowback will be intense if/when Bush issues his own ruling on Libby's probation
I can't imagine justices across the country will be any too happy with Bush simply creating that kind of precedent but if/when he takes that action, that will surely piss off Walton even more. The legal conundrum Bush has created with his commutation of Libby means that this saga ain't over yet and more popcorn is in order!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. That's why that footnote is so damn important. Walton is already on to
assbutt's next move, and now so are we.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #24
49. Oooh Ooh.. if I get into trouble..
I just can cite USA v Libby and argue that the Chimp is the decider!
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 09:56 AM
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30. kick

love Walton's footnote
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:09 AM
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32. This is Extreme Chess at its best
Your move, assholes :evilgrin:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #32
52. Oooooh, yeah. Good one.
:evilgrin: :popcorn:

Hekate

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:09 AM
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33. Thank You Judge Walton !!! - K & R !!!
:patriot:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:12 AM
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34. oh, he got it just the way he wanted it
no jeopardy for Libby for lying for him to the FBI
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spiderpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:56 AM
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37. Oh, please reassure me, the legalese-illiterrate
that this is good news.

I've had it with this punk-ass "Executive" branch.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #37
47. It is--Walton is anticipating Bush's next move and calling him ahead on it.
That footnote could very well be this decade's "18 minutes of silence."
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:58 AM
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38. I just realized something else....
Edited on Wed Jul-04-07 10:59 AM by Spazito
I just realized what else this Order does that has to enrage the bushcheney admin and that is:

By giving the defense and Fitzgerald until Monday to submit their responses, he has ENSURED that the issue won't be lost because of the July 4th holiday! They submit their responses on Monday, he takes a day or two to rule, makes his ruling AFTER the public are back at home and at work which means the hope of the bushcheney admin that their travesty of justice actions will be hidden is foiled. It WILL NOT be lost due to timing.

Damn, Judge Walton, you are beyond brilliant! In fact, :yourock:


( I initally added this further thought as an edit to another post but thought it might be worth some discussion on it's own so figured I'd post separately as well)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
50. Very shrewd--I hadn't considered that. He's onto these cockroaches.
Gotta love that!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Upon reading your response, I realized there are even more
layers to this short, two page brilliant order. On Monday there will be TWO written responses filed and, therefore, in the public purview, about the question posed by Judge Walton, TWO responses the media will be watching for and reporting on probably Tuesday, therefore keeping the libby travesty in the headlines and then, when Judge Walton delivers his written decision, probably Wednesday or Thursday and containing, I hope and pray, more delicious footnotes, there will be a THIRD document filed, made public and reported on by the media.

Every time I put some thought into this, another layer occurs to me. It is like those stacking Russian wooden dolls I have seen.

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 01:23 PM
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40. there are some fierce patriots left in this nation! kick
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 01:34 PM
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42. k&r
lots of good stuff on this thread :thumbsup:
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 03:32 PM
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45. Would Someone please take Nuke Football Away from Bush-=Cheney!!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 04:08 PM
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46. Busholini negated his own statement regarding the Grand
Jury Verdict. He said that the verdict was correct but then left open a possible Pardon. Also, that the sentence was "extreme" in Libby's case has been proven to be incorrect. It seems to me that most Americans that heard the sound byte on this case understand the simple fact that Busholini's actions were to keep Libby from telling the truth about the Plame Outing. It makes it obvious that, at the very least, Cheney is complicit in the Outing of Plame. The backlash of this outrageous action will be forthcoming. I hope it leads to the Impeachment of Bush/Cheney starting with Cheney, since that may be an easier task to accomplish.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 06:23 PM
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53. Judge Walton Needs to Cite Bush For Contempt of Court
While it's no surprise that the bushkid pardoned his co-conspirator to further the criminal obstruction of justice in the Plamegate affair (heck, it's practically the family business), his stated "reason" (rather, neocon spin mantra) for doing so was curiously not the vague pablum that Poppy used as a fig leaf.

His claim of an "excessive" sentence is a slander of Judge Walton and displays outright contempt for his court. It certainly is a threat to the impartial and orderly administration of justice.

This is not a matter of opinion. There were clear sentencing guidelines instructing Judge Walton's decision. For the bushkid to publicly accuse him of incompetence or nefarious intent in his "excessive" treatment of defendant Libby is a quite damaging (and clearly false) allegation. (There are some things you just can't lie your way out of.)

Prosecutor Fitzgerald was quite forceful in his defense of the court against this slander, and the implication the he or his office participated in what the bushkid casually labelled a miscarriage of justice -- or prosecutorila misconduct -- or judicial activism.

It would seem to me that Judge Walton is duty-bound to respond to this obvious contempt.

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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 06:34 PM
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54. I can't WAIT to see what will happen next!
>It would seem to me that Judge Walton is duty-bound to respond to this obvious contempt.<

That's right. George W. Bush just pissed off the two men I would never, ever, EVER want mad at me: Judge Walton and Patrick Fitzgerald.

:scared:
Julie
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:43 PM
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60. I was struck by the stupidity
of Dimson's decidering that any jail time was unacceptable. If he said 30 months was excessive (it wasn't) and lowered it to 90 days, it wouldn't have caused as much of a bruhaha. But, no... The greed takes over and Georgie has to try and steal the whole pie, causing another mess.

That's really been the most surprising thing about these goons, and the one thing I've been most thankful for: they're very sloppy, they're really bad at the cover-ups, and they're very predictable.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 09:32 PM
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62. Bush's use of the word "excessive" shows this to be an abuse of pardon power.
See
PRESIDENTIAL PARDONS - Administration and Regulations
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardons3.htm

"As a general matter, in clemency cases the correctness of the underlying conviction is assumed, and the question of guilt or innocence is not generally at issue. However, if a petitioner refuses to accept guilt, minimizes culpability, or raises a claim of innocence or miscarriage of justice, the United States Attorney should address these issues."

I don't know if there was a legal petitioner in this case, but in a sense, one could consider the petitioners to be Bush's conservative supporters, who have claimed that Libby is "innocent" and the sentence to be a "miscarriage of justice".

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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 07:27 PM
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56. I think you will shortly see this is of no consequence
plus the day you are booked counts as one day time-served, scooter technically has served one day of his sentence.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 09:41 PM
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63. Unfortunately, I think you are correct on this.
All this will achieve is Libby avoiding probation.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 08:20 PM
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58. Shrub* is so shit for brains, can Dick Cheney pay Scooter's fine?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 12:23 AM
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70. No need--read this and weep (it's for real, check out the board):
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 07:15 AM
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77. The only name missing on Libby's Advisory Committee
is John Mitchell, convicted former Attorney General, OK, maybe Charles Manson too.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-04-07 10:30 PM
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65. strange picture
on the cnn site :




I'm sure it's just a double exposure of bad photo edit, but doesn't it look like he's got a "shadow" double???


it's late- i'm tired :crazy:
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 12:28 AM
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71. Maybe he thinks he is
too exposed if he is not in jail.
Is there a 'suicide' in the offing?
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 07:01 AM
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76. Naw, he's just wondering if the guy behind him going to give him a reach around...
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 12:18 AM
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69. the battle is still in progress
Its Bush who said all who outed the Agent Plame would go to jail and here he is letting them go
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 03:42 AM
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73. The Paris Hilton circus makes *'s actions look even worse
If she could be forced to serve time for driving on a suspended license, where's the logic of pardoning (oops, I meant "commuting") the sentence of a convicted felon before he serves a single day? Walton's order to imprison immediately, and the Court of Appeals concurrence, could not have come at a more inopportune time for Bushco. I love it!
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 07:26 AM
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78. attempting to apply logic to this is pointless
the contradictions between this travesty and myriad cases where active obstruction of justice by a *president covering his own ass are near limitless.

*As Olbermann so eloquently put it, it matters not which of the two - b or c - actually made the decision - it is a composite organism operating as the head of this criminal enterprise
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