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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 12:57 PM
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Know your BFEE: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ford Covered Up CIA Murder of American Scientist
While it ommitted much and ignored more, the release of the so-called "CIA Family Jewels" touched on some very important subjects. For example, the report mentioned CIA's experimentation on unsuspecting Americans with radiation, bacterial agents and mind-altering drugs.

One very important chapter the Family Jewels did fail to mention, however, was how Gerald Ford, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney helped cover-up the murder of a United States citizen. Frank Olson also worked for the United States Government, specifically, the U.S. Army and its biowarfare center at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

The Frank Olson Murder

Frank Olson was an American citizen, born in 1910 and murdered in New York City in 1953 by the CIA. Here's an outline of the case:
    Fort Detrick is the U.S. Army's biowarfare facility, founded in 1943. Frank Olson was one of the first scientists to work there. From the final years of World War II through the Korean War and up to the present time scientists at Fort Detrick developed biological weapons including anthrax.

    Following the end of World War II the U.S. conducted "Operation Paperclip", which scoured Germany for Nazi scientists who could be useful. It found some who had conducted experiments on prisoners in Dachau and other Nazi concentration camps, including one Kurt Blome. He was among the defendants in the Nuremberg War Trials, and would have been convicted and hanged but for American intervention. In return for agreeing to provide information to the Americans about his experiments in Dachau, and advice in the development of their own germ warfare program, an acquittal was arranged, and he escaped the gallows.

    Frank Olson and Kurt Blome (who had become a proteg of the Americans) later met at Camp King in Germany in the early 1950s when Olson made several visits there to participate in "Operation Artichoke", in which the U.S. Army and the CIA experimented with the use of drugs (including LSD) in interrogation. Olson was present during brutal interrogations by the Americans of Soviet prisoners and suspected double agents, some of whom died under torture. Olson was deeply disturbed by what he had seen.


This case touches us directly on DU. One of Dr. Olson's children is a DUer.

For those new to the subject, MK/ULTRA was created to develop and test human mind-control systems. Many, if not most, of its subjects were never told they were being used as guinea pig, saturated with LSD and who knows what else. Some were hypnotized, sensory overloaded and deprived, and further manipulated and drugged in order to create an agent willing to give up his or her life in order to carry out a mission, such as assassination.

See many previously unclassified MK/ULTRA documents here: /

Who knows if CIA succeeded in fielding a Manchurian Candidate? They sure tried.

And to protect that "Family Jewel," Vice President Cheney, then a White House aid, helped cover-up the CIAs complicity in the MURDER of a U.S. citizen a loyal citizen who served the nation as an officer during World War II and then later as a research scientist studying biowarfare. From what I understand, Dr. Olson objected to the "Nazi types" who were going ahead with plans to spray dangerous germs across San Francisco Bay to see what would happen. And it is MURDER, as Dr. Olson's life was destroyed, whether he was pushed, as the evidence indicates, or whether he jumped, the result of LSD-induced paranoia.

Rumsfeld & Cheney's Dirty Little Spy Secret

By Fintan Dunne Editor, GuluFuture. com
18th August 2002
May 27, 2003 - 11:06


Olson's son Eric says his father's conscience was troubled by awareness of Nazi-style CIA experiments on human subjects.

Kathryn Olmsted, University of California-Davis history professor, recently discovered files at the Gerald Ford library that showed White House officials deliberately withheld details of Olson's death from his family.

They included a memo from Dick Cheney, who was a White House assistant at the time, to Donald Rumsfeld, the chief of staff, on July 11, 1975. That memo warned that a lawsuit by Olson's family might make it necessary "to disclose highly classified national-security information.''

Another memo routed through Cheney and written by White House counsel Roderick Hills to the president cautioned that in any court action "it may become apparent that we are concealing evidence for national-security reasons.''

There must have been a lot to conceal, because the administration rolled out the red carpet for the Olson family. They were granted a meeting with the president Gerald Ford, who apologized for the death and promised full disclosure. Then they met with CIA Director William Colby, who gave them a file of documents comprising the CIA investigation into Olson's death.



On 8th August 2002, relatives of Frank Olson took turns reading a long statement that contends that the scientist was murdered. "We have satisfied ourselves that Frank Olson was murdered because of security concerns regarding his work,'' said Olson's son Eric, who has spent years investigating his father's death.

Frank Olson was not, after all a civilian employee of the Army. He was a CIA employee working at Fort Detrick on precursor programs to MK-ULTRA, specializing in anthrax aerosols, possibly for use in covert assassination.

Olson's passport, indicates that in the summer of 1953 --only months before his death-- he had visited secret joint American-British testing and research installations near Frankfurt, Germany where he had likely witnessed terminal experiments on expendable prisoners. His misgivings were such that a British intelligence agent who became aware of them recommended that Olson be denied further access to Porton Down, the British chemical-weapons research establishment.

A few days before his death Olson told his superior Lt. Col. Vincent Ruwet that he wanted to resign. Ruwet demurred. The following morning, he returned to insist that his resignation be accepted. Ruwet took Olson to New York where he saw a doctor who was experimenting with LSD for the CIA. Olson was also taken to see a New York hypnotherapist on the CIA payroll. He was pleading to be allowed resign, asking those around him to "just let me disappear."

On November 27th 1953, he checked into the Statler Hotel in Midtown New York, with a colleague, Robert Lashbrook. He called his wife Alice saying he felt "much better" and "looked forward to seeing her the next day."

Around 2 a. m. the following morning, Olson was found lying on the sidewalk in his undershirt and shorts, flat on his back with his legs smashed and bent at an acute angle. High above, a blind could be seen pushed through an empty window frame on the 10th floor. The hotel telephone operator overheard a call from room 1018A, in which a voice had said, "He's gone." The voice on the other end had replied, "That's too bad." Lashbrook admitted making calls but denied any such comment.


I believe, based on the info in these excerpts, if Dr. Olson had lived, he was not going to cooperate with the LSD experiments, the biowarfare experiments and other illegal -- NAZI- and Imperial Japan-inspired experiments on unsuspecting, innocent human beings.

The dark masters of CIA said, "We can't have that." And so, their toady Cheney worked to conceal murder.

US Vice President Dick Cheney and

Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld

Linked to Murder of CIA Scientist

by Gordon Thomas

Secret documents have revealed that Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld are linked to the murder of a former senior CIA scientist.

In 1953 Frank Olson, who was a key member of the CIAs secret brainwashing programme MK-ULTRA, was sent plunging from a New York hotel window.

He had threatened to reveal the CIA involvement in terminal experiments in post-war Germany and in Korea during the Korean War.

For almost half a century his son, Eric, a psychologist, has insisted his father was murdered on orders from the highest level.

Now a California history professor, Kathryn Olmstead, revealed she had discovered at the Gerald Ford library documents written by Cheney and Rumsfeld at the time of Frank Olsons death.

They show how far the White House went to conceal information about Olsons death and his role in preparing anthrax and other biological weapons. Part of his work had been at Britains Porton Down Chemical-Bio Research Centre.

Cheney and Rumsfeld were given the task of covering up the details of Frank Olsons death. At the time, Rumsfeld was White House Chief of Staff to President Gerald Ford. Dick Cheney was a senior White House assistant.


Two Young Turks on Air America in late February or early March interviewed Naomi Klein and discussed her article in The Nation. In it, she describes how the current Rumsfeld-Cheney-Bush Torture Inc has its roots in the 1950s. Specifically, CIAs MK/ULTRA Program and how the stuff the CIA developed in the 50s and 60s -- the Family Jewels stuff -- related to us today in Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and all those illegal CIA secret prisons Bush and Cheney created around the world.

The CIA found to be a very effective means for breaking down a human being was sensory deprivation. A day without sight, sound or touch, and people were hallucinating. And that was without drugs. Moreover, theyd tell what was on their minds.

Whether the "information" aquired was true or not, who cared? It gave the top level of CIA the kind of information they needed to justify their continued treason. And they used that scientific knowledge of brainwashing and mind control as a means of acquiring and maintaining political power and wealth.

A Trial for Thousands Denied Trial

Naomi Klein
The Nation March 12, 2007

Something remarkable is going on in a Miami courtroom. The cruel methods US interrogators have used since September 11 to "break" prisoners are finally being put on trial.

This was not supposed to happen. The Bush Administration's plan was to put Jos Padilla on trial for allegedly being part of a network linked to international terrorists. But Padilla's lawyers are arguing that he is not fit to stand trial because he has been driven insane by the government.


Human Rights Watch has exposed a US-run detention facility near Kabul known as the "prison of darkness"--tiny pitch-black cells, strange blaring sounds. "Plenty lost their minds," one former inmate recalled. "I could hear people knocking their heads against the walls and the doors."

These standard mind-breaking techniques have never faced scrutiny in a US court because the prisoners in the jails are foreigners and have been stripped of the right of habeas corpus--a denial that, scandalously, was just upheld by a federal appeals court in Washington, DC. There is only one reason Padilla's case is different: He is a US citizen. The Administration did not originally intend to bring Padilla to trial, but when his status as an enemy combatant faced a Supreme Court challenge, the Administration abruptly changed course, charging Padilla and transferring him to civilian custody. That makes Padilla's case unique: He is the only victim of the post-9/11 legal netherworld to face an ordinary US trial.

Now that Padilla's mental state is the central issue in the case, the government prosecutors have a problem. The CIA and the military have known since the early 1960s that extreme sensory deprivation and sensory overload cause personality disintegration--that's the whole point. "The deprivation of stimuli induces regression by depriving the subject's mind of contact with an outer world and thus forcing it in upon itself. At the same time, the calculated provision of stimuli during interrogation tends to make the regressed subject view the interrogator as a father-figure." That comes from Kubark Counterintelligence Interrogation, a 1963 declassified CIA manual for interrogating "resistant sources."

The manual was based on the findings of the agency's notorious MK Ultra program, which in the 1950s funneled about $25 million to scientists to research "unusual techniques of interrogation." One of the psychiatrists who received CIA funding was the infamous Ewen Cameron of Montreal's McGill University. Cameron subjected hundreds of psychiatric patients to large doses of electroshock and total sensory isolation and drugged them with LSD and PCP. In 1960 Cameron gave a lecture at the Brooks Airforce Base in Texas in which he stated that sensory deprivation "produces the primary symptoms of schizophrenia."


If anything, the situation seems to have devolved for us today. Protecting and expanding political power and wealth for the few seems to be the mission of the entire federal government. Hence, we have a proposed an open-ended war on the new global terror and a 50-year presence in Iraq and few seem to mind.

Thus, today, this important connection of the present day sinners to the sins of the past gets cut out of the Family Jewels, our official history and our nation's collective memory. The evil one's hope is that one day it becomes completely forgotten. Thanks to you and DU, we have a much better chance of remembering.

The fact we remember scares the liars, thieves, gangsters, warmongers and traitors who make up the BFEE. They know that in war and in life, the Truth is more precious than gold. To them, the truth is their biggest enemy.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 12:59 PM
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1. Two remarkable things happened in the last two days within half a mile of each other
I just wanted to get your attention :hi:

Two remarkable things happened in the last two days within half a mile of each other,

Two remarkable things happened in the last two days within half a mile of each other, at either end of Piccadilly. One, the car bomb, you have probably heard of. The second you probably haven't. ...

Source: Los Angeles Times

Ashraf Marwan, 62; suspected double agent in Yom Kippur War
From Times Wire Services
June 30, 2007

Ashraf Marwan, 62, the controversial son-in-law of Egypt's late President Gamal Abdel Nasser, was found dead early Wednesday after falling from his apartment balcony in the St. James's Park neighborhood of London, the Middle East News Agency reported.

The death of Marwan, suspected of being a double agent during the 1973 war with Israel, comes amid a controversy in Egypt about his role in the intelligence and business worlds.

Some opposition lawmakers recently demanded an investigation after Egyptian newspapers carried reports from Israeli media about Marwan's possible role as a double agent during the war, when Egypt and Syria waged a joint attack against Israel on Yom Kippur. The Egyptian government has never commented on those allegations.

Maj. Gen Eli Zeira, who was fired from his position as head of military intelligence over Israel's failure to predict the 1973 Arab attack, said in a 1993 book that Israel was caught by surprise because it was led astray by a double agent, whom he did not identify.

Read more:

Inquest opens into 'spy' billionaire's death
Ashraf Marwan - the son-in-law of the former Egyptian leader Gamel Abdel Nasser - was found dead outside his Mayfair flat
Rajeev Syal and Issandr El Amrani in Cairo
An inquest was opened yesterday into the mysterious death of an Egyptian billionaire who feared for his life after being named as a Mossad spy.

Ashraf Marwan, 63, is thought to have fallen from the balcony of his fourth-floor apartment in St Jamess Park, Central London.

Scotland Yard described his death as suspicious and unexplained. No suicide note was found. Investigators are exploring three possibilities: that he was murdered, that he jumped or that he accidentally fell.

Opening the inquest, the coroner, Paul Knapman, did not give a probable cause of death and adjourned it until August 15.

Really I dont know how to start this chapter because this is a mine area and the part that causes all the controversy that may turn him to a hero and in the same time it may turn him to a traitor and this is the simplest way to describe it. Seriously I dont know how to start writing in this area of that mans life as it seems to me to be more complicated than any other cold war literature novel I read I love so much this literature, the serious realistic one

To understand the story well I will start from the end

London, 45 Carlton house trace

1:40 PM London local time on the 27th of June 2007

Suddenly the fancy high class street silence was broken by the fall of man from the 5th floor to the ground causing his death, a man in his sixties, for sure the people in the street didnt recognized that man at the first instance

Surely the police identified later when it came the identity of the dead man and surely they knew they were dealing with another special Egyptian case, in fact the most dangerous Egyptian death case, Soad Hosni ,Lathy Nasaf and Ali Shafik could be nothing compared with it, they can be considered as more domestic cases compared to Marwans case , after all the man knew many secrets , many dirty secrets then the actress , the head of the presidential Guards and the secretary of Abd El Hakim Amar , all those didnt play or have the access of information he had , they played one role in one time , Hosni and Shafik roles were in the Nasserite era and Nasaf role was in the early Sadaat era , yet Marwan played different roles in different era , he was there in the Nasserite era , he was there is in the Sadaat era and he left Egypt in Mubaraks era to play another role in not less dangerous arena than the decision making that was arms dealing.

The third Egyptian with an enigmatic history to die in London from falling off the balcony, it must draw question mark, sorry question marks in the case of Marwan

From the initial reports we knew that the multi billionaire was alone in his luxury apartment, only the house keeper and the cook were in the kitchen, strange loneliness for a man that was said to be very sick , his wife was in a visit in Lebanon , his son was in Egypt and is said that he couldnt leave it before the shocking news arrived to Cairo as there was a general attorney S order to restrict him from leaving the country and the second son seemed to be some where , well may be he was in work. I dont know if he had body guards or not but even if he had, they were useless as they were not there either.

Khashoggi and Ashraf Marwan
APPENDIX 33 - Continued



The Khashoggi Affidavit and the Fayed Bribe

Letter from Cameron Markby Hewitt, Solicitors, to Sir Gordon Downey<31>

Our client Mr R W Rowland has passed to us your letter of 31 October 1996 and has asked us to reply to it on his behalf.

Mr Rowland's instructions are that there is no truth whatsoever in the allegation made by Mr Fayed that Mr Michael Howard accepted payments from Lonrho, or agents acting on its behalf, in connection with the appointment in 1987 of Inspectors under the Companies Act 1985 to examine the circumstances surrounding the acquisition of the House of Fraser by the Mr Fayed family.

Mr Rowland is aware that Mr Fayed has been making these allegations for some time and we are enclosing copies of correspondence exchanged between him and Mr Fayed about the allegations. You will see that copies of the correspondence have previously been supplied both to the Home Office and to the Cabinet Office. At Mr Rowland's request we are also sending you a copy of a draft affidavit which Fayed apparently attempted to persuade Mr Adnan Khashoggi to depose to. The affidavit bears in Mr Rowland's handwriting a note of the circumstances in which the draft was handed to him. We are also enclosing a statement prepared by Dr Marquand de Villiers of what was said to him at a meeting he had with Mr Khashoggi.

8 November 1996

Note handwritten by Mr R W Rowland upon the draft Affidavit (below) dated 1 May 1996

AK called to see me today and gave me this copy of this affidavit which Fayed asked him to sign against a cheque for $2 million.

AK told me that he had extricated himself as politely as possible by saying that he would send for his lawyer, Sam Evans, to join the discussion with Fayed, Macnamara and Royston Webb and a lady lawyer.

AK advised Fayed that he saw no benefit at all in it for either of them, as AK would be branding himself as a liar and an unreliable witness.

AK was given this document by Fayed, but AK had not in any way . . . .

1 May 1996

Text of draft Affidavit

1. The contents of this Affidavit are based on my personal knowledge of events described and are true. I make this Affidavit in order to help correct certain findings made by the Inspectors appointed by the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry in 1987 to investigate House of Fraser Holdings plc. I believe their findings were based upon certain incorrect or false information or documentation produced to them. I make this Affidavit voluntarily and without benefit to me.

2. I gave inaccurate information to the Inspectors. I also failed to give them information of which I was aware which would have benefited the Fayeds and shown them to be honest. I did this at the request of Mr R W Rowland ("Mr Rowland") and because he agreed to pay me a very substantial sum of money. I have now volunteered to make this Affidavit because I have been ashamed of the part I played in damaging the Fayeds' reputation.

3. I have known Mr Rowland since about 1980. From time to time prior to 1985 we did business together. He knew that I had been related by marriage to Mohamed Al Fayed, had been in business with him, and had known the Fayeds from school days.

4. I cannot now remember exactly when and where my first discussion with him took place on the subject of the Fayeds, but I think it was during early 1985 that he spoke with me and told me that he wanted to discredit the Fayeds. He asked me to help. He made clear that I would be very well paid if I was able to assist him by giving or organising information which would make it appear that the Fayeds came from a poor background and did not have sufficient wealth to finance the purchase of House of Fraser from their own resources. Mr Rowland told me that he was also organising other people to create or give this impression. I do not know the full details but from what he told me it was apparent that he was paying large sums of money to other people to do this and that much of what was being said was untrue.

5. As a result when in due course Inspectors were appointed to investigate the acquisition of House of Fraser by the Fayeds, Mr Rowland was able to organise matters so that the Inspectors received a lot of false information and documentation from a large number of different sources. In Egypt it is fairly easy to achieve anything in return for money and therefore even official records can be made to show false information.

6. I do not have time to go through in a great deal of detail what I have done to the Fayeds. I will therefore give some brief examples of false evidence or information which I know, or very strongly suspect, was given to the Inspectors. These examples are:

(a) I am told that the Inspectors heard evidence from Mr Peter Wickman who described himself as an independent journalist, working for Stern magazine, and as initially having no contact or dealings with Mr Rowland. I have also read Appendix 7 of the Inspectors Report. His evidence was untrue. On or about 25 May 1985 I was present with Mr Rowland and Dr A Marwan in the Sheraton Heliopolis Cairo when Mr Wickman joined us for a discussion with Mr Rowland. It was clear to me that Mr Wickman was working for Mr Rowland and acting in accordance with his instructions. When Mr Wickman joined us at our table, Mr Rowland received a report from him, and gave further instructions, regarding the contents of an article which Mr Wickman was preparing as part of Mr Rowland's attack on the Fayeds.

(b) I also confirm that Mr Rowland procured a payment by Lonrho into my bank account of the sum of US$3 million in respect of documents prepared by my associate, Shri Chandra Swamiji Maharej (the "Swami") implicating the Sultan of Brunei in the purchase of Harrods. It was subsequently revealed in English High Court proceedings, and I confirm, that these documents had been fabricated. Copies of the two documents involved, both of which were produced to the Inspectors, are now produced and shown to me marked "AK 1". As will be seen, they purport to be an Acknowledgement of Indebtedness, and a promissory note relating to a sum of US$200 million. The documents produced to the Inspectors were not originals. Once the revelation that they were false had occurred, Mr Rowland then demanded that I return the money. A copy of the demand from Lonrho is now produced and shown to be marked "AK 2". I was unable to do so and Mr Rowland later abandoned his claim because of other assistance I was able to provide to him.

(c) Mr Rowland further arranged for me to receive loans from Lonrho amounting to US$10 million in return for me providing him with assistance for his campaign against the Fayeds. This included me providing to the Inspectors certain documentary evidence, and attending before the Inspectors in order to give evidence adverse to the Fayeds. Mr Rowland told me the nature of the evidence he wanted me to give to the Inspectors. I would not have received the loans had I not agreed to assist Mr Rowland in this way. The information I provided to the Inspectors did not give an accurate picture of the Fayeds' history and business affairs, none of the documents I produced to the Inspectors were originals, and many of them had been fabricated so as to accord with Mr Rowland's wishes and instructions.

(d) I personally know that the Fayeds did in fact live as children in the house in Victoria, Alexandria, which they referred to in their evidence to the Inspectors. I visited them there when Mohamed was still at school. It is clear to me that Mr Rowland must have organised a campaign to make it appear that they were lying about this, and that they came from a poor background.

(e) During and prior to 1989, Mr Rowland, Ashraf Marwan and I were actively involved in numerous business dealings. During the course of conversations with both Mr Rowland and Ashraf Marwan I was told by them that Mr Rowland had advanced approximately 4 million to Ashraf Marwan to enable him to purchase a block of shares in House of Fraser plc at the same time that Lonrho had a 29.9 per cent shareholding. I was told by Mr Rowland and Ashraf Marwan that, because of the assistance provided by Ashraf Marwan to Mr Rowland in his campaign against the Fayeds, Mr Rowland did not seek the repayment of that sum when Ashraf Marwan subsequently sold the shares. I should explain that Ashraf Marwan was the son-in-law of the late President Nasser, and had been head of security, intelligence and information in Egypt. He had been trained by the KGB. He was therefore a man of great skill in intelligence, counter-intelligence and disinformation techniques, and of the utmost influence and power; this influence and power continued after President Nasser's death. He remained in a position to produce or obtain whatever false documents or information he wished or to arrange for the destruction of any documentation. I know that he used that power and influence to assist Mr Rowland in his attack on the Fayeds by manipulating information and evidence so as to ensure that false and damaging material was produced to the Inspectors.

30 April 1996
He operated under the parent company, Cabra, and within a decade he would buy and sell among much else (and sometimes as a broker for other Arabs), the Playboy Club, Chelsea and Fulham football grounds (Fulham is now owned by al-Fayed). He purchased significant sections of Mayfair, Bloomsbury and the West End of London, including a theatre. If he had kept to property alone he could have become a billionaire in his own right, but he met Adnan Khashoggi, whom he had known in Saudi. Despite the fact that Adnan was al-Fayeds former brother-in-law and therefore an uncle of Dodi, Khashoggi did not seem to have the slightest allegiance to the Fayeds. In turn, Khashoggi introduced Marwan to the Muktoum brothers, of racehorse fame, who subsequently introduced him to Tiny Rowland.

I am not saying it was Aegis or BAE.

Let me be quite clear again: Islamic extremists may very well be responsible. I am not saying they are not. But let me expand a bit on my Cui Bono theme.

There are plenty of companies - and wealthy individuals - making huge amounts of money from both the War on Terror and its equally ugly sister, the War in Iraq. There has been much speculation that Brown will edge away from both of these. If British troops were to withdraw from Iraq, for example, that could reduce the access currently enjoyed by companies, for example Aegis and BAE, to billions of dollars of US government contracts for arms and mercenaries. These companies make money out of killing. Death is their business. Today's car bomb - and the immediate media presumption it is Islamic terrorism - certainly forces Brown further into the War on Terror. The fact that the Iraq war is the root cause of an upsurge of terror in the UK, strangely does not negate the surge of political support for the War that this sort of incident brings as a reflex reaction from our leaders.

I am not saying it was Aegis or BAE. I am saying don't be one-eyed about the possibilities. Look at the list of amazing things in London above. Do I really believe that there are wealthy people in London who would stage this sort of thing to protect or further their financial interests? Yes, I do.

Marwan's relationship with Kamal Adham--the Saudi intelligence

I find something very fishy about the coverage of Ashraf Marwan's death. First, you find this sudden sympathy in the Israeli press for this Arab. Secondly, there is something very suspicious: none of the articles in the Arabic or Western press have talked about Marwan's relationship with Kamal Adham--the Saudi intelligence chief during King Faysal's reign. Those two constituted an influential team playing a role similar to that played by Bandar these days (prior to the bribery scandal. I heard that the US Justice Department is investigating the scandal. Let me guess. No evidence of wrongdoing will be found. And Bandar will be officially declared the most honest and transparent official on the face of the glob). Also, Ashraf Marwan's son, Jamal, owns the Melody Arabic music channel.

Lord of the war

It has passed 48 hours only on the death of Ashraf Marwan and rumors are starting to pour from here and there like the rain, these rumors really are expected thing with the mysterious death of Marwan that made the people remember the mysterious death of Soad Hosni, second thing the mans life itself was mysterious and its seems that he was not that popular

I dont know from where I shall start the trip in the real dark side of Marwan, I mean it turned out there are so dark paths in that mans life

The Lord of the war
Check the film Lord of the war

First of all the start will be with the Arm dealing stuff, of course I said before that there were rumors in Egypt thanks to the Egyptians abroad that the man was an arm dealer, well guess what it seems that he used to have business with late Ihab Nafea in arm dealing according to a new rumor, of course it is no use because both men are dead now but what it confirms is that he was working in arm dealing as it was well known that Nafea had his own days in the dirty business, not only Nafea, this is just the start

Already I read all the news reports that were published today and yesterday whether in Egypt or in any other countries and I noticed that they didnt mention what exactly was his business field , he was a business man , great but what was this kind of business?? From where did he get all that money that made him earn the title of billionaire and live in at 45 Carlton gardens street in the 5th floor not to mention his son who owns several music and film channels??

I dont think that the Presidents Secretary of information or the head of the Arabic organization for manufacture salaries could make him that rich!!

IX - The Marwan Mystery

There is a whole other level of theory which is personally most attractive to me but does not necessarily directly include the Super-Establishment or any security services. It creates an entirely rather different scenario. But each scenario would be intricately linked. I hope I have established the simple fact that the British Old Guard had wholly disapproved of both al-Fayed and Diana. Even if they were not directly responsible for an assassination, it would have been remarkably convenient to them to dispose of the Princess before she did what they considered to be further serious damage to British interests. It is an earnest, if grim, contention of mine that, had they have been aware of an assassination plot against either the Fayed family or Diana, it would have been in the interests of the Old Guard to turn a blind eye. It is therefore important to establish that the tragedy may not have been against the Princess in particular, but could well have been against the Fayeds themselves.

When, at 17, Dodi first came to live in London his father gave him for his birthday his own mini-moke - and his first bodyguard. In later life, before the royal romance, he was never seen without at least two minders. This used to amuse people at, say, Tramps - the fashionable London night-club - because one man would always be close to Dodi while the other prowled around looking for threats of any kind. A table for six at the Ivy - one of his favourite London watering holes - would always have to be accompanied by at least two more seats for his minders. When the wars, first between al-Fayed and Tiny Rowland over the House of Fraser, and then during al-Fayeds celebrated public fight with the Tory government, were at their height, Dodi may increase his personal bodyguard to four or even six. Other friends also noted that if he lost sight of his table at any time, he would discard all the drinks and order fresh ones. He was terrified that someone may have spiked his drink. This was the same in Hollywood where friends would joke about it with him. As an excuse, he would sometimes say, "my father is involved with some very dangerous things," and once he referred to a mysterious "kidnap attempt in Egypt when I was young." The Broccoli family (of James Bond film fame) - close friends for years - put it down to his "James Bond make-believe fantasies." But now, no one is so sure.

There is strong evidence to suggest that all the Fayeds lived in a constant state of paranoia. Mohamed himself still lives in a series of fortresses, guarded by a private army of professional minders. Paranoia or not, both al-Fayed and his son certainly believed there was a constant threat to their lives. In early 1998 it was alleged by a former top Harrods security man that all the phones in the store were bugged and anything of sensitivity was reported back to the boss. It is the same at the Ritz. This is a positive sign of latent paranoia.

While trawling the net for leads I suddenly came across an item which looked very familiar. And as I read through it I realised I was the original author. I remember the story well, but had forgotten (the article was five years old) that it had a very heavy al-Fayed connection. Enough anyway in this narrative to diverge somewhat. I had written the article while Scallywag was still confined to Camden in North London which, as hundreds of thousands of tourists know, has a huge and cosmopolitan open-air market each weekend. One section is called The Stables and was once used to house horses overnight which during the day had pulled the barges along the Regents Canal. The Stables had a chequered history and had changed hands several times. Camden council had virtually given it away to a collection of artists and craftsmen to set up workshops. By the nineties the whole market had taken off and the real estate had become almost priceless. The entire area around the market and canal had become vastly fashionable and such things as old railway sheds and canal warehouses were being converted into flats at astronomical profits. At Scallywag we set out to find out who was making all the money. We established that The Stables had been ultimately bought by - to us - a mystery Egyptian called Ashraf Marwan.

Marwan, 62, who was married to Nassers daughter Mona, had been living in London for many years after leaving Egyptian government service in the late Seventies.
His widow was set to fly to London after travelling from Beirut to Cairo on Wednesday where she was met at the airport by family members.
Essam Abdel Samad, the head of the Union of Egyptians in Europe, said he had spoken to Marwans maid, who said she was the only other person in the fourth floor flat at the time.
She said she was working in the kitchen and he was in his office and the first thing she knew was when someone came to the door and said he had fallen, Samad told Egyptian satellite TV station al-Youmin a telephone call from London.
The former shareholder in Chelsea FC had spoken about his fears of being killed after he was accused three years ago of being an agent during the Yom Kippur war.
Israeli media claimed that on the eve of the war of October 1973, Marwan told Mossad that Egypt and Syria were about to attack Israel.
However, some members of Londons Arab community believe he might have committed suicide after he was diagnosed with a serious illness.
Marwan associated with some of Britains wealthiest people. His contacts included former Chelsea chairman Ken Bates, arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, the late Tiny Rowland and Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 01:17 PM
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2. Can the death of Mr. Marwan be a random coincidence?
I doubt it. Especially with all the connection to Khashoggi, petrobillions and the money to be made off of war.

It's no coincidence many important people fall to their deaths. It looks like an accident, CIA says:



The most efficient accident, in simple assassination, is a fall of 75 feet or more onto a hard surface. Elevator shafts, stair wells, unscreened windows and bridges will serve. Bridge falls into water are not reliable. In simple cases a private meeting with the subject may be arranged at a properly-cased location. The act may be executed by sudden, vigorous of the ankles, tipping the subject over the edge. If the assassin immediately sets up an outcry, playing the "horrified wit ness", no alibi or surreptitious withdrawal is necessary. In chase cases it will usually be necessary to stun or drug the subject before dropping him. Care is required to insure that no wound or condition not attributable to the fall is discernible after death.


Thanks for the heads-up, seemslikeadream. I'm going to have a lot of reading to do tonight. More nightmares, too.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 02:13 PM
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12. Wow my head is spinning
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 03:09 PM
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17. threatened to expose the murky world of Arab-Israeli espionage,21985,21998993...

AN Egyptian millionaire who mysteriously fell to his death from the balcony of his Mayfair flat last week was reportedly writing a book that threatened to expose the murky world of Arab-Israeli espionage.


According to Israel's Yediot Aharonot newspaper, Mr Marwan was on Wednesday due to meet Aharon Bergman, an Israeli historian who was among journalists and writers who had claimed he had been a double agent.

"He called me three times on the day before his death and left three messages on my telephone, which was strange," Mr Bergman said.

"When I got (the messages), I called to ask him why he wanted to meet and he said he wanted to discuss 'headaches' plaguing him," Bergman added. "We agreed to go over things the following evening but he did not call again."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 04:20 PM
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21. Who killed Egyptian billionaire Marwan?

Who killed Egyptian billionaire Marwan?

Published: Sunday, 1 July, 2007, 01:36 AM Doha Time

By Mona Anis
CAIRO: Ashraf Marwan, the Egyptian billionaire who died aged 62 on Wednesday in London was the third Egyptian to have jumped off a balcony in London.
One young Egyptian blogger wrote yesterday there must be something very appealing about a London balcony which tempts famous Egyptians to throw themselves off it.
Six years ago also in June the famous Egyptian actress Soaud Hosni allegedly threw herself off the balcony of a residential tower in Maida Vale, North London.
In the mid-1970s, Leithy Nassif, the former head of the presidential guard under the late Egyptian president Anwar Sadat threw himself off a balcony in the very same tower in Maida Vale.
The common link between the three is that they all had intelligence links and were rumoured to have been writing their memoirs at the time of their alleged suicides.
Nassif had helped Sadat stage his palace coup following the death of his predecessor Gamal Abdul-Nasser, when Sadat arrested all Nassers men in 1971.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 05:28 PM
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26. I noticed it.......
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 05:46 PM
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28. Of course you would, sorry I missed your post Joanne98
I've been trying to get noticed!! Good story huh?

Ashraf Marwan, 62; suspected double agent in Yom Kippur War
Two remarkable things happened in the last two days within half a mile of each other,
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 06:12 PM
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30. very interesting for sure....
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 06:24 PM
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31. I'm looking for a BAE connection
Edited on Sun Jul-01-07 06:29 PM by seemslikeadream
I added my stuff to your thread :hi:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 06:58 PM
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34. Via Lockerbie bombing?

This is just from memory, but wan't it rumored that the real target was a diplomat about to disclose evidence of arms dealing?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 12:47 PM
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73. Wealthy people with ties to black budget blood money often "fall"
or meet remarkable ends-it's a pattern repeated in Mr. Marwan's "fall" this is continuing blow back.

The desired response when any hint of one of these "tragedies" that are called "wet work" (or how about plain old murder) is that everyone is supposed to forget to remember how to think-it's also part of the social conditioning of the political/mind control freaks that are mentioned in the family jewels--but has expanded because those that asked questions they noticed that didn't support the cover and deception and mass conformity to authority responses were previously easily neutralized.

The technology and availability of information from open sources (even when information warfare is being conducted 24/7) and the desire for the truth tipped the advantage but not lessened the danger imho and experience.

It's different today when there are enough people that have not only described the "pattern" of not having a pattern, but have found the resolve to speak openly about their place in all this blow back, with the hope of freeing others to do the same.

Keep bringing these stories that get ignored about people like Mr. Marwan to everyone's attention seemslikeadream and post them with similar tales-the patterns are remarkable and the lies and control systems don't work too well anymore.

I kick stories that might get lost in the "noise" all the time when I can.


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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:08 PM
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88. !!!...!!!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 01:20 PM
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3. And WE know he isn't the only casualty...
;-) Microbiologists, en masse, anyone???

This release smells much like a limited hangout. Throw the proles some red meat and let them busy themselves as we continue BIDNESS PER USUAL.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 08:24 PM
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35. Very true. And then there's David Kelly, one biologist who got in the way of Bush's War.
You know this guy, but so many people I've spoken with over the past four years have never heard of him.

That's the fate of another "suicide" who questioned the rationale for Operation Iraqi Looting.

New questions over death of David Kelly

By JONATHAN OLIVER, The Mail on Sunday
22:00pm 22nd July 2006

David Kelly: Major investigation has cast doubt on the official verdict that he committed suicide

Alarming new questions about the death of Iraq weapons inspector David Kelly have been raised as a major investigation cast doubt on the official verdict that he committed suicide.

The inquiry by campaigning MP Norman Baker will spark renewed speculation about how the Government's leading expert on weapons of mass destruction was found dead in a field in Oxfordshire three years ago.

In particular, the dossier compiled by the Liberal Democrat MP for Lewes shows that the method of suicide said to have been chosen by Dr Kelly, far from being common as was claimed at the time, was in fact unique.

Dr Kelly was the only person in the United Kingdom that year deemed to have died from severing the ulnar artery in his wrist, a particularly difficult and painful process as the artery is deep and Dr Kelly had only a blunt garden knife.

The MP reveals that the Oxfordshire coroner held an 'unusual' meeting with Home Office officials before he determined the cause of Dr Kelly's death.

And he claims that a 'cosy cabal' of Mr Blair's friends, including Peter Mandelson and Lord Falconer, the Lord Chancellor, hand-picked Lord Hutton, a retired Law Lord from Northern Ireland, to lead the official investigation in 2003.


Thank you for caring, Karenina. There are many, many deceased microbiologists. Sie sind eine groe Schwester.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:20 PM
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98. !!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 01:22 PM
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4. Octafish, you are a DU treasure. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 08:28 PM
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36. The Secret Sharers: The CIA, the Bush Gang and the Killing of Frank Olson
If I didn't like what he's writing, I'd say young Floyd uses too many darn adjectives.

Oh yeah. It's another missing jewel the Bush Crime Family seems to have missed in the accounting.

The Secret Sharers
The CIA, the Bush Gang and
the Killing of Frank Olson

by Chris Floyd
August 28, 2002


Keeping the Faith

Washington, 1975. It was a long hot summer of discontent in the White House. The unelected president, Gerald Ford--who'd taken office after the resignation of Richard Nixon--was raging. Every day seemed to bring fresh horrors from the Congressional committees investigating America's intelligence agencies. Assassination plots, terrorist acts, coups, secret armies, subversion of allied governments, Mafia connections, torture, press manipulation, domestic surveillance--the revelations were endless, a bottomless pit of corruption and criminality being dredged up by the House and Senate panels.

Where was their sense of duty, the code of omerta that had for so long protected those who toil in the shadows, who do the dirty work to keep America fat and safe and happy? What right did these mere senators and representatives have to tell the people--the big dumb dazed mobocracy out there--the truth about what their leaders were doing in their name? They were like children, they could never understand the higher wisdom that guided the elites. Oh, it was a far cry from the old days, back on the Warren Commission, when a good soldier like Jerry Ford knew just what to do: you accepted whatever the agencies told you, and you steered investigations away from anything that might break the code and pierce the shadows.

So Ford seethed. What the hell is wrong over there at the CIA, he complained to his chief of staff, Donald Rumsfeld. Why couldn't Bill Colby, the director, keep a lid on things? Colby had even come clean about Operation Phoenix, for Christ's sake. More than 20,000 Vietnamese murdered in the CIA-run program--did Joe Lunchbucket really need to know about that?

What next? Are they going to find about Reinhard Gehlen, too: the Nazi spy who joined the CIA and recruited thousands of Hitler's best and brightest--including Klaus Barbie and a cadre of SS veterans--to work for the Agency? Sure, it would look bad, but come on: Gehlen was championed by Allen Dulles himself--the founding father of the CIA, the hotshot lawyer who kept Prescott Bush's name out of the papers when Pres was caught trading with the Nazis in 1942. Dulles and those Yale boys knew what was best--but try explaining that to some poor schmuck whose father got killed at Normandy or Auschwitz or some other godforsaken hole, eh?

As it happened, the "Gehlen Organization" stayed secret for another 26 years. But in July 1975, Ford had still more worries. A top White House aide, Dick Cheney, sent a memo to Rumsfeld, warning him about an upcoming lawsuit. The family of Frank Olson had found out--through the Congressional investigations--that he had been secretly drugged by the CIA not long before he took that fall from the hotel window. Now they were suing the government for damages.

The lawsuit could be bad business, Cheney told Rumsfeld. "It might be necessary to disclose highly classified national security information" during the trial. That would include the truth about Olson: the CIA connection, biochemical weapons, the mind-control and torture experiments based on Nazi death-camp "research," and the Agency fingerprints all over Olson's last days in New York City. The case might even reveal the existence of special "CIA Assassination Manuals," like the one issued in the year of Olson's death, 1953, stating: "The most efficient accident, in simple assassinations, is a fall of 75 feet or more onto a hard surface. Elevator shafts, stairwells, unscreened windows and bridges will serve. , it will usually be necessary to stun or drug the subject before dropping him."


Thank you for the kind words, sfexpat2000. Your friendship means the world to me.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 09:55 PM
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41. Amen to that.
These threads leave me so heavy hearted. I really appreciate how folks here share their knowledge of history and tie them back to the current events.

Whenever I read all the coincidences back to the same group of thugs, I think about Mark Lombardi's beautiful art. How could such hideous connections ever become a thing of beauty?

Thank you to all those here who help spread this deep background. As difficult as it is to swallow, only the truth can set us free.

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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 02:46 AM
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49. I couldn't agree more!! n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:18 AM
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55. Wholeheartedly CONCUR with my esteemed compatriot.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 01:26 PM
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5. K&R! To the Greatest page you go! eom
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 08:36 PM
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37. Sen. Ted Kennedy Investigated the Mysterious Death of CIA Scientist Frank Olson
...back in '75. Takes a brave man to do that, as this stuff makes H.P. Lovecraft's creatures from the Cthulhu Mythos seem downright friendly, like.

Part One:

The Mysterious Death of CIA Scientist Frank Olson

by H. P. Albarelli Jr.
December 14, 2002

Editors Note: In 1975, 22 years after CIA Scientist Frank Olson allegedly committed suicide by jumping through a closed window on the 10th floor of his room in a New York City hotel in 1953, shocking new details about his death were revealed in the findings of a special Presidential Commission investigating the CIA. The case remained dormant from then until 1996 when Manhattan District Attorney Robert M. Morgenthau opened a new criminal investigation into Dr. Olsons death. Morgenthaus decision was spurred by the startling discoveries of noted forensic sleuth James Starrs of George Washington University, who took on the case at the behest of Olsons family. Following Starrss many revelations, Morgenthau assigned the Olson case to his newly created Cold Case Unit headed by Stephen Saracco and Daniel Bibb. For the past six years investigators for Morgenthaus office have been digging meticulously into Olsons death. That investigation has been the subject of tremendous speculation and many rumors during those years. Investigative journalist H.P. Albarelli Jr. has also been quietly investigating Frank Olsons death for over seven years, using the Freedom of Information Act to access a trove of once-secret documents pertaining to Olsons death. In a two-part article written for Crime Magazine, Albarelli, who has spent time in New York with the D.A.s investigators, reveals new insights into the Olson case, one of the 20th centurys most provocative unsolved mysteries.


The Bizarre Dosing of an Expatriate

Two weeks before they traveled to California, Saracco and Bibb learned that Lashbrooks former superior, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, was the subject of a civil lawsuit for the alleged LSD dosing of an American citizen in Paris in 1952. The case was of obvious interest to the district attorneys office because of Gottliebs involvement in Olsons dosing a year later. Saracco was informed that the attorney bringing the suit against Gottlieb was Sidney Bender of the New York firm Leventritt, Lewittes, & Bender. Saracco called Bender and was told the fascinating story behind the case.

In 1952, a 24-year old American named Stanley Milton Glickman was pursuing a promising career as an artist in France. Glickman, the son of a successful New York furrier, moved to Paris in the summer of 1951 to study painting at the Academy de la Grand Chaumier, and about seven months he became an apprentice in the studio of renowned French modernist Fernand Leger. (In the 1940s, Leger decorated the Manhattan apartment of Nelson A. Rockefeller.) By early autumn 1952, Glickman, who had already had one of his paintings displayed in new Yorks Metropolitan Museum of Art, had established his own studio on the outskirts of Paris.

One evening in mid-October, the young artist went into the city to meet a friend at the Cafe Select. There, two American men who Glickman did not know joined them. After some casual conversation and several glasses of wine, Glickman and the two men fell into a heated debate about politics, power, and patriotism. The debate went on for hours. The men told Glickman that he was a naive Bohemian unmindful of the real ways of the world. Glickman countered by telling the conservatively dressed men that their attitudes of political superiority were offensive to all that he felt was right with the world. When it grew late, Glickman prepared to leave and one of the men offered him a drink as a conciliatory gesture. Glickman, who had only been drinking coffee, reluctantly accepted. The man rose from the table, went to the bar, and returned with a glass of Chartreuse for the artist. As the man came back to the table, Glickman noticed that he walked with a pronounced limp.

Glickman sipped the liqueur slowly and the conversation turned to other subjects. One of the men remarked that France was fascinating for its many sites of religious miracles. Midway through his drink Glickman began to feel strange. A tremendous feeling of anxiety filled his chest that quickly gave way to the sensation that he was floating above the table. His perceptions of objects and their dimensions became distorted. Sounds took on an odd resonance, some painful to his ears. The two men watched him intently. One of them leaned toward him and said, Surely a man of your many talents can perform his own miracles. Cant you?

Believing that he has somehow been poisoned, Glickman fled into the street. When he woke up the next day he realized that he had lost several hours of time. He had no idea how he had returned home. He was also wildly hallucinating. For two weeks he wandered about Paris in, what he later described as, the pain of madness, delusion, and terror. He returned to the Cafe Select, went to the same table as before, and sat with his eyes closed irrationally waiting for someone to come and tell me what had happened. When he refused to leave he was taken away to the American Hospital of Paris and given electroshock treatment. Once released, he lived in a state of stress, terror, and hallucination for eight months until his family learned of his condition and brought him back to the United States in July 1953.

A psychiatrist treated Glickman for the next 25 years. Glickman lived in New Yorks East Village, never again painted, and ran a small antiques shop. His closest friends were his three dogs, Charlie, Gent, and Kuma. Sometimes he told people that his name was Paul Galen. He died on Dec. 11, 1992. But, that was only the beginning of Benders story to Saracco.

One day in late September 1977, Glickmans sister, Gloria Kronisch, was watching the televised U.S. Senate hearings about CIA abuses chaired by Sen. Edward Kennedy. A hearing witness was on Glorias screen describing an experimental CIA drug program called MK/ULTRA, which had used hundreds of unwitting American citizens as guinea pigs.

The witness, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, informed the Senate committee that he justified the CIA experiments on the basis of national security. The country was essentially at war with the Soviets, Gottlieb said, and if using mind-expanding drugs like LSD on unsuspecting people was necessary to win then so be it. Said Gottlieb, Harsh as it may sound in retrospect, it was felt that in an issue where national survival might be concerned, such a procedure and such a risk was a reasonable one to take.


Thanks for the kind spell, icymist. Much appreciate your friendship and work for the Good Side.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:28 AM
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51. Thugs.
What they did to Glickman illustrates the cavalier lack of human compassion that the CIA cultivates. Impunity has to be judicious or these are exactly the sorts of thugs that result.

The men told Glickman that he was a naive Bohemian unmindful of the real ways of the world. They didnt realize that the real ways of their world were fed to them by a greedy, power-hungry RW government agency.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 01:32 PM
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6. There is so much missing that is known about the CIA that the release is a slap in the face for
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 08:45 PM
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38. The CIA's "family jewels" and historical irony
Agree completely, papau. There is more left out than was brought in.

The CIA's "family jewels" and historical irony

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Thu, 06/28/2007 - 17:20.

The press is abuzz with the June 26 release of the CIA's "family jewels," nearly 700 pages of documents concerning domestic meddling, foreign assassinations and other real and potential violations of the Agency's charter that then-director James Schlesinger ordered compiled in 1973 in response to the scrutiny focused by the Watergate scandal. The front-page coverage in the New York Times noted (on the front page, above the fold) that in a note to Agency employees, current CIA director Gen. Michael V. Hayden said the release of documents was part of the Agency's "social contract" with the American public, "to give those we serve a window into the complexities of intelligence." Added the Times: "General Hayden drew a contrast between the illegal activities of the past and current CIA practices, which he insists are lawful."

You have to read considerably deeper in the article to discover that the release came in response to a Freedom of Information Act request way back in 1992 by the National Security Archive. The Archive's Tom Blanton told the Times: "Reading these memos is like sitting in a confessional booth and having a string of former top CIA officials say 'Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned.'"

The documents reveal CIA funding for E. Howard Hunt and other Watergate burglars, and widespread snooping on domestic dissidents, including the opening of mail. One document, entitled "Foreign Support for Activities Planned to Disrupt or Harass the Republican National Convention" in 1972, lists John Lennon, "a British subject," as a supporter of the protest groups. An admission of "gangster-type action" refers to an assassination plot against Fidel Castro involving Mafia figure Johnny Roselli. (NYT, Granma, June 27)

The parallels to current abuses by the CIA and other intelligence agencies are too obvious to go overlooked, even by the Times, whose Scott Shane writes in a June 27 analysis:
    James Bamford, whose books on American intelligence cover the period from the Korean War to the Iraq war, took a similar view. Mr. Bamford said the scale of the National Security Agencys interception of phone calls and e-mail messages of Americans and others in the United States in recent years which prompted a lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union in which Mr. Bamford is a plaintiff almost certainly dwarfs the electronic surveillance and the review of mail carried out by the N.S.A. and the C.I.A. in the 1960s.

    If the collection details government spying on Vietnam War protesters, it has a contemporary echo in the Pentagons admission that a database called Talon improperly recorded the activities of Iraq war protesters, he said.

    "These documents are supposed to show the worst of the worst back then," Mr. Bamford said. "But what's going on today makes the family jewels pale by comparison."

    The controversial activities of the campaign against terrorism took place despite the changes enacted after the scandals of the 1970s.

    The Bush administration chose to bypass the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, created in 1978 to oversee eavesdropping on American soil. The Senate and House Intelligence Committees, created to make sure past abuses would never be repeated, did little to rein in the N.S.A. wiretapping program or to set limits on interrogation practices until news reports set off a furor.

    On the other hand, the recent surveillance activities appear so far to have been aimed at mostly people believed to pose a terrorist threat, not a political threat. So far there is no evidence of anything comparable, for example, to the F.B.I.'s relentless pursuit and harassment of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. or the political abuses of Watergate.

    "I think there's a lower threshold today for activities that impinge on our privacy and civil liberties," said Amy Zegart, author of the coming book "Spying Blind: The F.B.I., the C.I.A. and the Origins of 9/11."


Then, that gives us something to look forward to.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 01:36 PM
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7. I have always suspected the BushCO secret "gulags" were for creating assets,...
,...intelligence assets by ANY MEANS.

I don't think those things are prisons. They are operations specifically created to control minds and force human beings to be intelligence assets.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 09:26 PM
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40. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the Manchurian Candidate
It's a two-way street run by drunken, crazy monkeys. The turds direct traffic, play both sides of the yellow stripe against the middle, go ape with the stop lights, and collect all the tolls. And they control the TV.

Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the Manchurian Candidate

by Maureen Farrell
BuzzFlash May 18, 2004


When you peek beneath the Manchurian Candidates fascinating plotline, however, you learn that it is not "just a movie," but is based upon actual cases of government-sponsored brainwashing, torture, Nazi collaboration, bizarre interrogation tactics, biological warfare and cover-ups. And though such an assessment sounds like paranoid lunacy, a quick study of CIA operations like MK-ULTRA (mind control), Operation ARTICHOKE (extreme interrogation) and Operation Paperclip (the Nazis role in exporting both), along with their connection to the murder of Dr. Frank Olson, reveals otherwise.

In 1950, the U.S. government established the first program to develop human mind control techniques. Known under a variety of codenames (most notably MK-ULTRA) throughout its 23 year history, this program was designed to exert such control, according to declassified documents, that an individual would do another's bidding, "against his will and even against such fundamental laws of nature such as self-preservation." 25 years later, the Rockefeller Commission uncovered CIA plans for "programmed assassins" and said that MK-ULTRA led to American citizens being drugged, kidnapped and tortured on American soil.

In 1975, as this information was exposed, the government paid $750,000 restitution to Army biochemist Dr. Frank Olson's family, after admitting the CIA slipped Dr. Olson LSD days before his 1953 fall from a New York City building. When the Ford administration finally came clean, they promised they'd revealed everything. Yet key officials, including White House aides Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, pushed to continue to conceal information. "The family has learned that the Ford administration was keeping information from the family," the Baltimore Sun reported in 2002. "Among those who advocated keeping quiet were Dick Cheney and Donald H. Rumsfeld, now the vice president and defense secretary, the Olsons learned from memos and other papers received last year from the Gerald R. Ford Library."

Operation ARTICHOKE, a CIA program that preceded MK-ULTRA, involved the development of "special and extreme methods of interrogation," according to declassified documents given to the family by the late CIA Director William Colby. The chief architects of the program were also "very concerned with the problem of disposing of blown agents and with finding a way to produce amnesia in operatives who had seen too much and could no longer be relied upon." By the time Dr. Olsons family uncovered the truth about Olsons death, the role Operation ARTICHOKE played became clear. "In these documents the overall context for Frank Olsons death is related not to the infamous MK-ULTRA program for mind and behavior control, as is generally assumed," the family reported. "The Colby documents locate Olsons death in the context of a CIA operation called ARTICHOKE."

Both MK-ULTRA and ARTICHOKE grew out of "Operation Paperclip," in which Nazi scientists were smuggled into the U.S. to provide the government with information on everything from rocket science to germ warfare to torture and interrogation techniques. This "assimilation of Nazis into the U.S. government," the National Catholic Reporter explained, also spawned the now common practice of labeling people of conscience "enemies of the state."


In 2002, all of the pieces fell into place. Dr. Frank Olson, it was discovered, ran the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, which, in addition to dealing with anthrax and mind control research, was involved in "assassinations materials research," "biological warfare experiments in populated areas" and "terminal interrogations." Dr. Olson did not commit suicide due to a nervous breakdown, as the family was originally told, nor did he commit suicide because of a reaction to LSD, as they were told in 1975. Dr. Olson, who was posthumously outed as a CIA agent, was simply a man who knew too much. During an August 2002 press conference, the family spelled it out:
    1. "The death of Frank Olson on November 28, 1953 was a murder, not a suicide.

    2. This is not an LSD drug-experiment story, as it was represented in 1975. This is a biological warfare story. Frank Olson did not die because he was an experimental guinea pig who experienced a "bad trip." He died because of concern that he would divulge information concerning a highly classified CIA interrogation program called "ARTICHOKE" in the early 1950s, and concerning the use of biological weapons by the United States in the Korean War.

    3. The truth concerning the death of Frank Olson was concealed from the Olson family as well as from the public in 1953. In 1975 a cover story regarding Frank Olsons death was disseminated. At the same time a renewed cover-up of the truth concerning this story was being carried out at the highest levels of government, including the White House. The new cover-up involved the participation of persons serving in the current Administration."

    "These documents show the lengths to which the government was trying to cover up the truth,'' Eric Olson said, regarding memos that uncovered Cheney and Rumsfelds role in perpetuating the deceit. "For 22 years there was a cover-up. And then, under the guise of revealing everything, there was a new cover-up.'' (Mercury News)


Good thing we're on to their gangster asses. Now if only the cavalry would ride in.

Thanks for caring and all you do, sicksicksick_N_tired. Really appreciate you being here.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 01:42 PM
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8. I had some of those chemical and biological agents used on me
in an attempt to silence and discredit me. This is for real and what the public is seeing is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 02:00 PM
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10. .
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 02:05 PM
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11. You are absolutely correct...
I retired from a Chemical Company that sold patents to the government for use
in chemical warfare. PIP and all that legal crap aside, way more of this shit
goes on than the public is aware of.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 10:03 PM
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42. Thank you for your bravery and service, formercia.
They are not good people. They are NAZIs.

Operation Paperclip Casefile

Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997
Dossier: Documented Evidence
Case File: 5X067
Compiled by Agent Orange


After WWII ended in 1945, victorious Russian and American intelligence teams began a treasure hunt throughout occupied Germany for military and scientific booty. They were looking for things like new rocket and aircraft designs, medicines, and electronics. But they were also hunting down the most precious "spoils" of all: the scientists whose work had nearly won the war for Germany. The engineers and intelligence officers of the Nazi War Machine.

The U.S. Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. It had originally intended merely to debrief them and send them back to Germany. But when it realized the extent of the scientists knowledge and expertise, the War Department decided it would be a waste to send the scientists home. Following the discovery of flying discs (foo fighters), particle/laser beam weaponry in German military bases, the War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control this technology, and the Nazi engineers that had worked on this technology.

There was only one problem: it was illegal. U.S. law explicitly prohibited Nazi officials from immigrating to America--and as many as three-quarters of the scientists in question had been committed Nazis.


    Convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize "Project Paperclip," a program to bring selected German scientists to work on America's behalf during the "Cold War"

    However, Truman expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Naziism or militarism."

    The War Department's Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) conducted background investigations of the scientists. In February 1947, JIOA Director Bosquet Wev submitted the first set of scientists' dossiers to the State and Justice Departments for review.

    The Dossiers were damning. Samauel Klaus, the State Departments representative on the JIOA board, claimed that all the scientists in this first batch were "ardent Nazis." Their visa requests were denied.

    Wev was furious. He wrote a memo warning that "the best intrests of the United States have been subjugated to the efforts expended in 'beating a dead Nazi horse.'" He also declared that the return of these scientists to Germany, where they could be exploited by America's enemies, presented a "far greater security threat to this country than any former Nazi affiliations which they may have had or even any Nazi sympathies that they may still have."

When the JIOA formed to investigate the backgrounds and form dossiers on the Nazis, the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediatly. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infilitrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA.

Apparently, Wev decided to sidestep the problem. Dulles had the scientists dossier's re-written to eliminate incriminating evidence. As promised, Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX)


Here are a few of the 700 suspicious characters who were allowed to immigrate through Project Paperclip.
    ARTHUR RUDOLPH; During the war, Rudolph was operations director of the Mittelwerk factory at the Dora-Nordhausen concentration camps, where 20,000 workers died from beatings, hangings, and starvation. Rudolph had been a member of the Nazi party since 1931; a 1945 military file on him said simply: "100% Nazi, dangerous type, security threat..!! Suggest internment."

    But the JIOA's final dossier on him said there was "nothing in his records indicating that he was a war criminal or and ardent Nazi or otherwise objectionable." Rudolph became a US citizen and later designed the Saturn 5 rocket used in the Apollo moon landings. In 1984, when his war record was finally investigated, he fled to West Germany.

    WERNHER VON BRAUN; From 1937 to 1945, von Braun was the technical director of the Peenemunde rocket research center, where the V-2 rocket --which devasted England--was developed. As noted previously, his dossier was rewritten so he didn't appear to have been an enthusiastic Nazi.

    Von Braun worked on guided missles for the U.S. Army and was later director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. He became a celebrity in the 1950s and early 1960s, as one of Walt Disney's experts on the "World of Tomorrow." In 1970, he became NASA's associate administrator.

    KURT BLOME; A high-ranking Nazi scientist, Blome told U.S. military interrogators in 1945 that he had been ordered 1943 to experiment with plague vaccines on concentration camp prisoners. He was tried at Nuremberg in 1947 on charges of practicing euthanasia (extermination of sick prisoners), and conducting experiments on humans. Although acquitted, his earlier admissions were well known, and it was generally accepted that he had indeed participated in the gruesome experiments.

    Two months after his Nuremberg acquittal, Blome was interviewed at Camp David, Maryland, about biological warfare. In 1951, he was hired by the U.S. Army Chemical Corps to work on chemical warfare. His file neglected to mention Nuremberg.


formercia, I've liked you since when I first read your handle and saw "foramerica."

You are a true patriot and Good People.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:42 AM
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50. Just defending the Constitution
as I took an oath to do.

thanks for the plug. :hi:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 01:47 PM
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9. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:32 AM
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52. THE OLSON FILE - A Secret that Could Destroy the CIA
Here's what it's all about:


A secret that could destroy the CIA

by Kevin Dowling and Phillip Knightley
Published in Night and Day magazine, the Sunday supplement to The London Mail on August 23, 1998.


Where did Dr. Olson fit into all this? A Harley Street psychiatrist, Dr. William Sargant, now dead, was sent by the British goverment in the early 1950s to evaluate MK-ULTRA. On his return he told a colleague and friend, former BBC television producer, Gordon Thomas, that what Cameron and Gottlieb were up to was as bad as anything going on in the Soviet gulags.

Thomas, whose books include a 1988 study of the CIA's forays into mind-control, Journey into Madness: Medical Torture and the Mind Controllers, says "Sargant told me that he had urged the British government to distance this country from it. He said it was blacker than black." According to Thomas, Sargant told him that Frank Olson had come to Britain between 1950-53 to work on attachment at Porton Down and had also made frequent visits to "an intelligence facility" in Sussex. This is confirmed by entries in the special passport that Olson used.

The stamps on the passport, which declare that the bearer was on "official business for the Department of the Army" indicate a pattern of travel that took Olson between various British military airfields, France, Occupied Germany, Scandanavia and the United States between May 1950 and August 1953. Prosecuting attorney Saracco believes that something happened on one of these trips that holds the key to Olson's death. Since the matter is still before a grand jury Saracco cannot talk about it but Gordon Thomas has his own idea of what it was. "The CIA was using German SS prisoners and Norwegian Quislings taken from jails and detention centres as guinea pigs to test Cameron's theories about mind control. The Agency preferred to conduct such clinical trials outside the United States because sometimes they were terminal the human guinea pig ended up dead. Olson was accustomed to seeing lethal experiments done on animals but when human beings were used in this way it was too much for him. I believe that he wanted out."

Mike Miniccino, an American businessman and historical researcher who has spent 25 years studying the MK-ULTRA programme and developing a database on its activities says that if Olson expressed doubts about MK-ULTRA and its work then he would have done so to William Sargant, the Harley Street psychiatrist, who had evaluated MK-ULTRA's work and who had been a close colleague of Olson's.

And although as we already know Sargant wanted the British government to distance itself from the CIA's work with MK-ULTRA, Miniccino says he nevertheless was committed to the principle of mind control and became the link between the British Secret Intelligence Service and MK-ULTRA. Miniccino adds, "So if Frank Olson expressed serious doubts about the MK-ULTRA project to Sargant, then he signed his own death warrant."

What Miniccino is implying and what public prosecutor Saracco wants to prove is that the MK-ULTRA mind control project with its clinical trials on unsuspecting human beings was such a sensitive issue with the western intelligence community that it would go to any lengths to prevent an insider like Olson, from blowing the whistle.


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Thanks for caring and for understanding, dicksteele. I really appreciate you giving a damn.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:50 AM
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54. What will it take to stop them?
The research continues you know. Mental health professionals across the country report patients with disassociative identity disorders that are strikingly similar. Disassociation resulting from intentional abuse, mind control and torture. Some have gone with their patients to court, but the general public never hears a word.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 02:26 PM
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13. This corrupt cabal also imposed psyops on Americans via information warfare,...
,...per retired Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner.


That study includes what IS known. What isn't known is just how widespread this cabal's psyops on Americans has become or how much taxpayer money has been spent (many figure more than billions).
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 03:52 PM
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18. The whole point of laundering money, too,....
in addition to getting rich and gaining influence, is to fund blackops programs that are hidden from taxpayers' view. Excellent thread, K&R
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 03:59 PM
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19. Will we ever find out what black hole 8 billion DOD dollars went?
Most of us can figure where we lost track of $100, or less. But, that DOD, lost track of $8 billion? How is that possible?

Personally, I don't think it is possible.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 04:28 PM
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22. What about the $80-$100 billion BAE criminal slush fund?!!!

New revelations that Vice President Dick Cheney has been behind the now-failed effort to cover up an $80-100 billion criminal slush fund, run through the British arms cartel BAE Systems, Many now have demanded that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi drop her stubborn and ill-conceived rejection of the need to remove Cheney from office, and take the lead in his immediate impeachment.

<Shhhh, we're not supposed to talk about this!>
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 04:54 PM
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23. Covert arms for oil. hmmm. The new Riggs. Wonder what ties Bush Sr.'s former,...
Edited on Sun Jul-01-07 05:42 PM by sicksicksick_N_tired
, group had to this, as well (my memory fails me about the name but, no matter, cause apparently when stories starting spreading they changed it to something else, I believe).
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 05:20 PM
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25. You must mean Riggs Bank?

Prince Bandar is apparently behind the dealings. According to William Simpson who wrote the authorized biography of Bandar, "Al-Yamamah <the name of the oil for jets project> would become a backdoor method of covertly buying US arms for the <Saudi> kingdom; military purchases that would not be visible to Congress. It specifically had been structured to provide an unparalleled degree of flexibility whereby the Saudis could purchase military equipment under the imprimatur of DESO and British Aerospace...its consummate flexibility is needed because of inevitable opposition to Saudi arms purchases in Congress." Simpson also indicates that covert arms sales may be fueling wars in Africa.

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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 05:34 PM
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27. Yes. oops. brain fart.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:47 AM
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53. More like 2 Trillion
I think it was the day before the attack on the Pentagon that Rumsfeld admitted they could not account for the way the money was spent.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:33 PM
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62. Bush and his Cronies Lied America into War...
Thank you for the kind reminder, regarding Col. Gardiner.

The man is a real patriot who has stood up to the Bush Crime Family.

An Interview with Col. Sam Gardiner

The Bush Administration's Psy-Ops on the US Public

CounterPunch June 22 , 2005

Sam Gardiner has taught strategy and military operations at the National War College, Air War College and Naval War College. He was recently a visiting scholar at the Swedish Defence College. During Gulf II he was a regular on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer as well as on BBC radio and television, and National Public Radio. He authored The Enemy is Us an article describing how the Bush Administration used disinformation and psychological warfare weapons usually used against the 'enemy' against the American public in order to support the war in Iraq. He has done an extensive analysis of the media coverage before the war, during the war and during the occupation as well as of the statements of Administration officials. His conclusions are startling and of great concern. He has put his findings in a report entitled: Truth from These Podia.


Zeese: What is: "Truth from These Podia"? How did you conduct this media analysis?

Gardiner: It is a paper I published on the web that reflected four months of heavy research.

I had followed press reports of the war closely as it unfolded because of a job I had. During the first couple months of Gulf II, I was under contract with the Newshour with Jim Lehrer. With another retired colonel, we did an almost daily on-air analysis of how the war was going.

As the war unfolded, I became increasingly uneasy about what was being reported out of the White House, Pentagon and Central Command. I was hearing things that just did not make sense with what I knew and what my intuition was telling me. I began tracking some of the stories. It was just a matter of going over what we were told and connecting that with the truth as it emerged later.
One of the first items that made me uneasy was when I heard we were encountering terrorist death squads. I was very familiar with the Iraq military forces. There were no terrorist death squads. It became obvious the Pentagon wanted us to connect Iraq with 9/11. Terrorists did 9/11. There are terrorists in Iraq. Iraq must have been behind 9/11.

Zeese: Regarding the management of information about Iraq, I'd like to focus on the build up to the Iraq War initially. There has been growing indications from a series of memoranda and meeting minutes from Great Britain that U.S. intelligence was fixed to support the war. In your analysis of media management before the war do you see any indication that the United States Congress and public was manipulated into supporting the invasion of Iraq by misinformation?

Gardiner: Kevin, I find it amazing that there is now a growing interest in the marketing the war. There is absolutely no question that the White House and the Pentagon participated in an effort to market the military option. The truth did not make any difference to that campaign. To call it fixing is to miss the more profound point. It was a campaign to influence. It involved creating false stories; it involved exaggerating; it involved manipulating the numbers of stories that were released; it involved a major campaign to attack those who disagreed with the military option. It included all the techniques those who ran the marketing effort had learned in political campaigns.

Zeese: Can you give some examples of false or exaggerated stories put out by the Bush administration in the build-up to the war?

Gardiner: In the summer of 2003, we know from the Downing Street Memo that the Administration was talking about justifying a war by arguing that Iraq was the nexus of terrorism and WMD.

The terrorism argument was what propaganda literature would refer to as the big lie. The Administrations objective was to make enough arguments connecting Iraq to terrorism and Bin Laden that the American people would believe Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks. They used a technique called the excluded middle. Iraq supports terrorists. The attacks were by terrorists. Iraq must been behind the 9/11 attacks.

We the WMD story fairly well. We know the story of the uranium from Niger. We know about the aluminum tubes that were not for uranium enrichment. We know the biological labs Powell showed to the UN did not exist.

Beyond these there are many exaggerations that have gotten very little notice. Let me mention just a few.

A New York Times reporter was told by the Administration that Iraq was buying excess quantities of atropine to get ready for chemical warfare. It turns out the quantities were consistent with the Iraq use of the substance for routin(e) medical purposes.

The President told us in a speech in Ohio that Iraq had drone aircraft that could possible deliver chemical weapons into the United States. When that facility was found, the officers reported that it looked more like a school project than a serious military program.

The Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz told the Council on Foreign Relations that Iraq had the capability to attack US computers. They did not.

We were lead to believe a Navy pilot shot down during the first Gulf War was alive and being held in Baghdad. He was not.

We were told on the State Department web sit that Iraq was forming units of children to fight the United States. Iraq did not do that.

We were told the French were supplying air defense missiles to Iraq. That was not true

There were many more


Gardiner is a man of integrity. He spotted what Bush's illegal invasion was built on the Big Lie sold to the American people.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 02:30 PM
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14. I knew of much of this from some time back.
No doubt, so did many others in this DU Community. But this goes a long way to bringing it all together. I'll be spending much of this afternoon at Google. THANKS and K & R!

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 11:57 AM
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64. Mind Wars - Brain Research, Nanotech and the Military
A new book chronicles where mind control stuff came from and where it may be heading.

Brain Research, Nanotech and the Military

Mind Wars

CounterPunch July 3, 2007 (By way of National Catholic Reporter)

"What we don't know is so much bigger than we are." -- Haitian Proverb


I had a similar reaction when I learned of a formative episode in the life of Donald Defreeze, a.k.a. Cinque, leader of the Symbionese Liberation Army. DeFreeze and other members of the SLA kidnapped Patty Hearst and subjected her to brainwashing using classical mind control techniques. It is seldom asked how DeFreeze learned to brainwash so effectively. Colin A. Ross, M.D. in "Bluebird," a study of the deliberate creation of multiple personalities, notes that DeFreeze, while an inmate at Vacaville State Prison, was "a subject in an experimental behavior modification program run by Colston Westbrook, a CIA psychological warfare expert and advisor to the Korean CIA." (Bluebird, p.212). Westbrook returned to the United States from working undercover in Viet Nam and "entered Vacaville State Prison under cover of the Black Cultural Association and there designed the seven-headed cobra logo of the SLA and gave DeFreeze his African name, Cinque." (Bluebird, p. 212)

The accounts of both Kaczinski and DeFreeze suggest that their crimes might have been "blowback," unintended consequences of covert intelligence operations that rebound on perpetrators.

If those accounts were not public, however, and we speculated in that vein about DeFreeze and Kaczinski, it would be easy to dismiss our speculation as "conspiracy theories" or sloppy thinking. We know those two accounts are not the only experiments that might have backfired, but prudence suggests we not extrapolate from the known data, lest we be ridiculed. That's what respectability in a world of strangeness requires. But in light of those accounts, it is not unreasonable to ask, what other rough beasts have slouched out of covert research to be born?

So there is often a disconnect between the history that we know and discussions of current research sanitized by willful innocence. This is crazy-making. I understand why Moreno does not want to be found on the wrong side of the looking glass. Yet Moreno wrote an excellent history of how "informed consent" evolved from the horrors of our own history. There is a parallax view of the stick of history which enters the water but seems to be discontinuous rather than a straight line. The distance of a historical account disinfects the moral dimension of events; we may be shocked when we read of the torturous experiments of Ewen Cameron and Sidney Gottleib, for example, doctors who participated in MKULTRA, a series of CIA experiments with hallucinogenic drugs, electric shock, and sensory deprivation, but because those experiments ended in the seventies, they read like scripts for a horror movie instead of a daily newspaper. Moreno's discussion of ethical issues is similarly sanitized and sane, appropriate to the seminar room on a college campus, with its warmth, light, and comfortable chairs, but far from the trenches in which experiments takes place. His calls for accountability sound eminently reasonable but are theoretical and abstract because the details we need in order to explore ethical implications in a real historical context, one with flesh-and-blood men and women feeling real emotions, are hidden in darkness.

As a result, readers remain outsiders because we do not "need to know." We learn afterward some of what has taken place, when details filter into the light of ordinary day, but the ethical imperatives of a quickened public conscience can not be applied retroactively. The secret deeds are already done.


Korean CIA? Hmmm. That sounds familiar...

Thanks for giving a damn, pnorman. Truly appreciate all you do, my Friend.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:52 PM
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69. On the contrary! Thanks to YOU, Octafish!
This thread is now LOADED with valuable leads. I'll make a point of saving the entire thread, for later web-search. Looks more like an entire weekend with Google!

PS: I recall reading in "underground" newspapers at that time, that the SLA was supposed to have had close intelligence/military/police connections at its start. Presumably, it turned "rogue" later on. allegedly, there was a special prison in the California penal system (in Southern California?), that was dedicated to mind-fuck experiments with selected inmates. They were later supposed to have established "false left" movements, with the SLA perhaps being one such example. I no longer have any of that stuff at hand, but I DO have the internet!
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:03 PM
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71. "I no longer have any of that stuff at hand, but I DO have the internet!"
Probing with scraps of memory, I got this far: Check out note 24.

Other key-words I'll be Googling later on later on, will be "Louis Tackwood" (supposedly the police operative). "Glass House" (apparently the nickname of the room the police used for that purpose), and "Donald Defreeze (patsy, pigeon, or agent provocateur).

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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 02:45 PM
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15. The Search for the Manchurian Candidate
Edited on Sun Jul-01-07 02:46 PM by conscious evolution
The CIA and Mind Control
John Marks

This is a very interesting book about the CIA's role in researching mind bending drugs for use against people.Frank Olsen is discussed in the book.

Most of the information revealed in the book was culled from thousands of pages of documents released due to Freedom of Information Act requests.

Here is an excerpt from the book I just stumbled across:
Those are good motives because they can be created with the individual.... Maybe you start with a Communist party cell member and you help him become a district committee member by eliminating his competition, or you help him get a position where he can get even with someone. At the same time, he's giving you more and more information as he moves forward, and if you ever surface his reports, he's out of business. You've really got him wrapped up. You don't even have to tell him. He realizes it himself.

It doesn't have anything to do with Olson but it sure describes a few politicians I can think of and why they will not impeach bushco.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:17 PM
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66. They are NAZIs. And Dr. Olson wouldn't go along with them.
That's one hell of a book, conscious evolution. It documents what happens when secret police are free to utilize monstrous science against innocent Americans -- the very people they're sworn to protect.

Here's a bit on what happened to Dr. Olson:

The Search for the Manchurian Candidate

John Marks

5. Concerning the Case of Dr. Frank Olsen


Frank Olson specialized in the airborne delivery of disease. He had been working in the field ever since 1943, when he came to Fort Detrick as one of the original military officers in the U. S. biological warfare program. Before the end of the war, he developed a painful ulcer condition that led him to seek a medical discharge from the uniformed military, but he had stayed on as a civilian. He joined SOD when it started in 1950. Obviously good at what he did, Olson served for several months as acting chief of SOD in 1952-53 but asked to be relieved when the added stress caused his ulcer to flare up. He happily returned to his lesser post as a branch chief, where he had fewer administrative duties and could spend more time in the laboratory. A lover of practical jokes, Olson was very popular among his many friends. He was an outgoing man, but, like most of his generation, he kept his inner feelings to himself. His great passion was his family, and he spent most of his spare time playing with his three kids and helping around the house. He had met his wife while they both studied at the University of Wisconsin.

Olson attended all the sessions and apparently did everything expected of him during the first two days at the lodge. After dinner on Thursday, November 19, 1953the same day that a Washington Post editorial decried the use of dogs in chemical experimentsOlson shared a drink of Cointreau with all but two of the men present. (One had a heart condition; the other, a reformed alcoholic, did not drink.) Unbeknownst to the SOD men, Sid Gottlieb had decided to spike the liqueur with LSD.<4>

"To me, everyone was pretty normal," says SOD's Benjamin Wilson. "No one was aware anything had happened until Gottlieb mentioned it. <20 minutes after the drink> Gottlieb asked if we had noticed anything wrong. Everyone was aware, once it was brought to their attention." They tried to continue their discussion, but once the drug took hold, the meeting deteriorated into laughter and boisterous conversation. Two of the SOD men apparently got into an all-night philosophical conversation that had nothing to do with biological warfare. Ruwet remembers it as "the most frightening experience I ever had or hope to have." Ben Wilson recalls that "Olson was psychotic. He couldn't understand what happened. He thought someone was playing tricks on him.... One of his favorite expressions was 'You guys are a bunch of thespians.'"

Olson and most of the others became increasingly uncomfortable and could not sleep.<5> When the group gathered in the morning, Olson was still agitated, obviously disturbed, as were several of his colleagues. The meeting had turned sour, and no one really wanted to do more business. They all straggled home during the day.

Alice Olson remembers her husband coming in before dinner that evening: "He said nothing. He just sat there. Ordinarily when he came back from a trip, he'd tell me about the things he couldwhat they had to eat, that sort of thing. During dinner, I said, 'It's a damned shame the adults in this family don't communicate anymore.' He said, 'Wait until the kids get to bed and I'll talk to you.' " Later that night, Frank Olson told his wife he had made "a terrible mistake," that his colleagues had laughed at him and humiliated him. Mrs. Olson assured him that the others were his friends, that they would not make fun of him. Still, Olson would not tell her any more. He kept his fears bottled up inside, and he shared nothing of his growing feeling that someone was out to get him. Alice Olson was accustomed to his keeping secrets. Although she realized he worked on biological warfare, they never talked about it. She had had only little glimpses of his profession. He complained about the painful shots he was always taking.<6> He almost never took a bath at home because he showered upon entering and leaving his office every day. When a Detrick employee died of anthrax (one of three fatalities in the base's 27-year history), Frank Olson told his wife the man had died of pneumonia.


Thank you for giving a damn, conscious evolution. We've got a real chance...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 03:31 PM
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70. There "it" is! kick. Imagine NAZIS with fake American identities and "jobs" like neuro-science
for "national security"-then these real NAZIS found their political home in the RW of The Republican Party and have "influenced" US into a hybrid form of fascism with all the trimmings of that culture of death in power.


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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 03:03 PM
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16. Before the Nazis and Operation Paperclip, there was the OSS
and our own home-grown purveyors of witches' brew:

Lovell Hires On
General Donovan recruited a biochemist, Dr. Stanley Lovell, to head the OSSs dirty tricks Research and Development section. In Lovells biography, Of Spies and Stratagems, he recounted a private conversation with Donovan about this job proposal:

Without ado I opened up on my basic problem...Id relish your assignment, Colonel, but dirty tricks are simply not tolerated in the American code of ethics...Americans want to win within the rules of the game and devious, subtle devices and stratagems are, as the British say, just not cricket.

Dont be so...naive, Lovell, said Donovan. The American public may profess to think as you say they do, but the one thing they expect of their leaders is that we will be smart...Outside the orthodox warfare system is a great area of schemes, weapons and plans which no one who knows America really expects us to originate because they are so un-American, but once its done, an American will vicariously glory in it...

I pondered, then replied: What I have to do is to stimulate the Pecks Bad Boy beneath the surface of every American scientist and to say to him, Throw all your normal law-abiding concepts out the window. Heres a chance to raise merry hell. Come, help me raise it.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 12:48 PM
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78. 'Peck's Bad Boys' also had access to the Japanese 'Mengele'...
Gen. Willoughby's name pops up, again.

The Pentagon and the Japanese Mengele

The Abominable Dr. Ishii

CounterPunch Weekend Edition
May 27-29, 2006

Editors' note: Under the overall codename Project Paperclip US intelligence agencies made similarly diligent efforts to acquire the research records of Nazi doctors working in the death camps. They also brought over several of the Nazi medical experimenters and set them to work in US military research centers such as Ft. Detrick. The Nazi research was quickly put into play in the field. In 1950, the CIA's Office of Security, headed at the time by Sheffield Edwards, opened a project called Bluebird whose object was to get an individual "to do our bidding against his will and even against such fundamental laws of nature as self-preservation." The first Bluebird operations were conducted in Japan in October 1950 and were reportedly witnessed by Richard Helms, who would later run the Agency. Twenty-five North Korean POWs were given alternating doses of depressants and stimulants. The POWs were shot up with barbitutes, putting them to sleep, then abruptly awoken with injections of amphetamines, put under hypnosis, then interrogated. The operation was, of course, in total contravention of international protocols. The Bluebird interrogations continued through the duration of the Korean War. This history is laid out in detail in our book Whiteout: the CIA, Drugs and the Press, Verso, available from our office. AC/JSC.

Everyone has heard of Auschwitz, but what about Pingfan? This Japanese germ warfare headquarters and laboratory in Manchuria, northern China, did not hold as many victims, but atrocities committed there were physically worse than in the Nazi concentration camp, and lasted much longer.

Many people know of Dr. Josef Mengele, the Nazi SS "Angel of Death" and a physician (though not chief medical officer) at Auschwitz from 1943-45. There, he deliberately infected prisoners with deadly diseases and conducted fatal surgeries, often without anesthetic. He escaped and lived in South America undiscovered until after his death at 68 in 1979 in Brazil.

But who has heard of Dr. Shiro Ishii? He was the chief of Japan's well financed, scientifically coordinated and government approved biological warfare program from 1932-45. Ishii rose to general and supervised deliberate infection of thousands of captives with deadly diseases. He also conducted grotesque surgeries, but the unique medical specialty of Ishii and his surgical team were dissections, without anesthetic, on an estimated 3,000 live, conscious humans. In 1959, Ishii, a wealthy man, died peacefully at home in Japan at the age of 67.

Why the discrepancy of knowledge about these two monsters ? After so long, why does it still matter? The answer to both questions lies in policies of secrecy and complicity that continue today. They should concern Japanese, of course, but also Americans.

It is because of U.S. connivance in Japanese secrecy that Tokyo's biological war has yet to be fully disclosed. Its estimated 400,000 disease deaths, almost all Chinese, remain uncompensated. Japan, unlike Germany with its commendable atonement and billions of dollars in reparations, has yet even to apologize specifically for biological war victims, let alone pay compensation for suffering from its nationally driven medical torture program.

On my desk are two documents previously marked Top Secret and dated July 1947. They show not only full U.S. participation in allowing the Japanese medical torturers who escaped to Tokyo to go free in exchange for information, but that the Pentagon actually paid them. As General Charles Willoughby, chief of U.S. Military Intelligence (known as G-2) gleefully noted to his headquarters, these pay-offs were "a mere pittance... netting the U.S. the fruit of 20 years' laboratory tests and research" in this "critically serious form of warfare."


Mae Brussell links Willoughby to the assassination of President Kennedy.

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

What are a few million war crimes between fiends, especially when it comes to treason and global domination?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 04:05 PM
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20. Here's a mind control chart I found today...
Edited on Sun Jul-01-07 04:07 PM by Joanne98

Electronic harassment and control technology had it's start in the
1950s, as an obscure branch of the CIA's MKULTRA project group.
Just as organized crime is not stopped by hearings and court cases,
neither did this originally obscure branch of MKULTRA activity, when
the institutional/drug/child abuse phases were exposed by the U.S.
Senate's Church-Inouye hearings in the late 1970s. No criminal
proceedings followed, and only two civil law suits (Orlikow and
Bonacci) have succeeded.

This assembly of unclassified and commercial literature is to show
investigators and concerned citizens that in spite of the tightest
possible information blackout imposed in the early 1970s, enough of
the classified electronic harassment and control technology has
leaked out to show that significant classified accomplishments are
overwhelmingly likely, and in need of disclosure, here at the end of
the 20th century.

It is hoped that government and media, who have shied away from this
topic for decades, preferring the warm fuzzy feelings that "this can't
be true", will read about the unclassified and commercial devices and
understand the implications of continued turning the other way.

Up to Contents


Since government-backed electronic harassment and control is classified
at the highest levels in all technologically capapble governments, the
description of effects is taken from the personal experiences of the
"2,000 or so" known gang stalking with electronic harassment targets.
The experimentees without exception report that once the harassment
begins, in virtually all cases it continues for life. It continues in
every city, state, and country the target moves to. It continues in
prisons and hospitals, even when the target is dying of cancer.

Many targets are young seniors, some in their 70s and 80s.

Some have children and the children are often subjected to the same
"testing" as their parent(s). Pets are not only tortured, but even
killed, painfully and violently.

The effects pattern:

This article is about unclassified/commercial technologies which can
produce some of the effects of the harassment equipment:

- All harassment consists of unique, carefully engineered-unprovable
events to produce psychological stress in the victim. There are
no events which do not fit that apparent purpose.
- In every series of stress event type, ONE introductory event of
very high energy/effect is staged. The obvious purpose is to be
certain the victim KNOWS this is external harassment, and not just
"bad luck". From that time forward, the perpetrators appear to
apply "Pavlovian training" so that they can get the victim to "jump"
(or react in some way) to the same effect at a tiny fraction of the
initial "introductory" event.
- This type of harassment started during the Cold War, and shows every
characteristic of military and intelligence psychological warfare
- This type of harassment points to CONTROL of the test subject.
Endlessly repeated words generated inescapably within the skull
are just one hypnosis-like experience.
- The total number and type of crimes which make up gang stalking and
electronic harassment simply could not take place without cover
being supplied by government. Bizarre court decisions in which the
target is forced into involuntary mental health treatment and a
criminal spouse (for example, a pedophile father discovered "doing"
his own child) clearly show that gang stalking and electronic
harassment are heavily protected by all levels of government and
the medical establishment.

The effect types categorized:

Here is a list of most of the common effects. It is not exhaustive,
but is intended to show the reader how the perpetrators' pallette
of stress effects is broken down. Indent levels are used to show
categories and sub-categories:

1. Invasive At-a-Distance Body Effects (including mind)

a. Sleep deprivation and fatigue
i. Silent but instantaneous application of "electronic
caffeine" signal, forces awake and keeps awake
ii. Loud noise from neighbours, often SYNCHRONIZED
to attempts to fall asleep
iii.Precision-to-the-second "allowed sleep" and "forced
awakening"; far too precise and repeated to be natural
iv. Daytime "fatigue attacks", can force the victim to sleep
and/or weaken the muscles to the point of collapse
b. Audible Voice to Skull (V2S)
i. Delivered remotely, at a distance
ii. Made to appear as emanating from thin air
iii.Voices or sound effects only the victim can hear
c. Inaudible Voice to Skull (Silent Sound)
i. Delivered by apparent at a distance radio signal;
manifested by sudden urges to do something/go somewhere
you would not otherwise want to; silent (ultrasonic)
hypnosis is possible
ii. Programming hypnotic "triggers" - i.e. specific phrases
or other cues which cause specific involuntary actions
d. Violent muscle triggering (flailing of limbs)
i. Leg or arm jerks to violently force awake and keep awake
ii. Whole body jerks, as if body had been hit by large jolt
of electricity
iii.Violent shaking of body; seemingly as if on a vibrating
surface but where surface is in reality not vibrating
e. Precision manipulation of body parts (slow, specific purpose)
i. Manipulation of hands, forced to synchronize with closed-eyes
but FULLY AWAKE vision of previous day; very powerful and
coercive, not a dream
ii. Slow bending almost 90 degrees BACKWARDS of one toe at a
time or one finger at a time
iii.Direct at-a-distance control of breathing and vocal cords;
including involuntary speech
iv. Spot blanking of memory, more than normal forgetfulness
f. Reading said-silently-to-self thoughts
i. Engineered skits where your thoughts are spoken to you
by strangers on street or events requiring knowledge of
what you were thinking
ii. Real time reading subvocalized words, as while the victim
reads a book, and BROADCASTING those words to nearby people
who form an amazed audience around the victim
g. Direct application of pain to body parts
i. Hot-needles-deep-in-flesh sensation
ii. Electric shocks (no wires whatsoever applied)
iii.Powerful and unquenchable itching, often applied precisely
when victim attempts to do something of a delicate or
messy nature
iv. "Artificial fever", sudden, no illness present
v. Sudden racing heartbeat, relaxed situation
h. Surveillance and tracking
i. Rapping under your feet as you move about your apartment,
on ceiling of apartment below
ii. Thru wall radar used to monitor starting and stopping
of your urination - water below turned on and off
in sync with your urine stream

2. Invasive Physical Effects at a Distance, non-body

a. Stoppage of power to appliances (temporary, breaker ON)
b. Manipulation of appliance settings
c. Temporary failures that "fix themselves"
d. Flinging of objects, including non-metallic
e. Precision manipulation of switches and controls
f. Forced, obviously premature failure of appliance or

3. External Stress-Generating "Skits"

a. Participation of strangers, neighbours, and in some cases
close friends and family members in harassment
i. Rudeness for no cause
ii. Tradesmen always have "problems", block your car, etc.
iii.Purchases delayed, spoiled, or lost at a high rate
iv. Unusually loud music, noise, far beyond normal
b. Break-ins/sabotage at home
i. Shredding of clothing
ii. Destruction of furniture
iii.Petty theft
iv. Engineered failures of utilities
c. Sabotage at work
i. Repetitive damage to furniture
ii. Deletion/corruption of computer files
iii.Planting viruses which could not have come from
your computer usage pattern
iv. Delivered goods delayed, spoiled, or lost at a high rate
v. Spreading of rumors, sabotage to your working reputation
vi. Direct sabotage and theft of completed work; tradesmen
often involved and showing obvious pleasure

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 01:04 PM
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79. Microwaves and Behavior
Thank you, Joanne98. Fascinating -- and terrifying -- information about our tax dollars at work.

From "Microwaves and Behavior," by Don Justesen, American Psychologist, Mar. 1975:
    "Human beings can 'hear' microwave energy. The averaged densities of energy necessary for perception of the hisses, clicks, and pops that seem to occur inside the head are quite small, at least an order of magnitude below the current permissible limit in the United States for continuous exposure to microwaves, which is 10 mW/cm^2."

    "To 'hear' microwave energy, it must first be modulated so that it impinges upon the 'listener' as a pulse or a series of pulses of high amplitude."

    "Sharp and Grove ... found that appropriate modulation of microwave energy can result in direct 'wireless' and 'receiverless' communication of speech. They recorded by voice on tape each of the single-syllable words for digits between 1 and 10. The electrical sine-wave analogs of each word were then processed so that each time a sine wave crossed zero reference in the negative direction, a brief pulse of microwave energy was triggered. By radiating themselves with these 'voice-modulated' microwaves, Sharp and Grover were readily able to hear, identify, and distinguish among the 9 words. The sounds heard were not unlike those emitted by persons with artificial larynxes."

Note that the published date is 1975. There is little doubt that improved modulation and microwave generation techniques have been developed in the meantime. This is a fairly sophisticated application of microwave harassment techniques. The same article notes that basic microwave heating can cause damage before sensations of heating are even noticed. Microwave attacks by thermal loading can inflict brain damage and other physical damage, and on this point science has never been in doubt.


There's much more there. Some links have gone cold, but the documents they refer to are still available.

And to think some people wonder why so few high school students are interested in careers in government and science.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 01:16 PM
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80. MK-Ultra: The CIA and Radiation
The government report from one of the busted links referred to above can be found:

MK-Ultra: The CIA and Radiation


Interim Report of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments
Appendix, pp. E-1.1 to 1.6

Courtesy of PinkNoise


History and Organization of the Central Intelligence Agency

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was created in 1947 by the National Security Act, which also established the Department of Defense (DOD) and the National Security Council (NSC). CIA was modeled largely after the Office of Strategic Services, which served as the principal U.S. intelligence organization during World War II. The newly created agency was authorized to engage in foreign intelligence collection (i.e., espionage). analysis. and covert actions, it was, however, prohibited from engaging in domestic police or internal security functions. Nonetheless, CIA engaged in a program of domestic human experimentation from the 1950s into the 1970s.

CIA components most likely to have. been associated with any experiment are the Office of Scientific Intelligence (OSI) in the Directorate of Intelligence, the Office of Security, the Technical Services Division (TSD) in the then-Directorate of Plans (DDP, now Directorate of Operations), and (at least from 1962) the Office of Research and Development (ORD) in the Directorate of Science and Technology. Beginning in the late 1940s, OSI analyzed and disseminated foreign scientific, and medical intelligence concerning the development and testing of atomic weapons and interacted with DOD and the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) on these issues. TSD ran Project MKULTRA, discussed below. Human experimentation was done prior to MKULTRA by OSI and the Office of Security and, after MKULTRA, by ORD.



To date, CIA has found no records or other information indicating that it conducted or sponsored human radiation experiments.


CIA historically has employed the facilities of other agencies, including DOD and DOE (and its predecessors) to assist in agency research. For example, in 1965 CIA entered into a Memorandum of Understanding with AEC's Lawrence Livermore Laboratory to perform a number of projects for CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence. CIA has been asked to search for documents specifically related to the work performed under this agreement that might relate to human radiation experiments.

With regard to the history of CIA's ethics policies, the MKULTRA experiment program gestated from 1951 to 1952. This was the very period in which DOD's CMS, with CIA participation, engaged in discussions that led to the Secretary of Defense's 1953 enactment of an ethics policy for human experiments based on the Nuremberg Code. The relationship between these Nuremberg Code discussions (and policy) and CIA's MKULTRA activities is a subject of the Committee's inquiry.

Through the course of MKULTRA, CIA sponsored numerous experiments on unwitting humans. After the death of one such individual (Frank Olson, an army scientist who was given LSD in 1953 and committed suicide a week later), an internal CIA investigation warned about the dangers of such experimentation. Ten years later, a 1963 IG report recommended termination of unwitting testing; however, Deputy Director for Plans Richard Helms (who later became Director of Central Intelligence) continued to advocate covert testing on the ground that "positive operational capability to use drugs is diminishing, owing to a lack of realistic testing. With increasing knowledge of the state of the art, we are less capable of staying up with the Soviet advances in this field. "The Church Committee noted that "Helms attributed the cessation of the unwitting testing to the high risk of embarrassment to the Agency as well as the moral problem He noted that no better covert situation had been devised than that which had been used and that 'we have no answer to the moral issue '"< 9 >


The above still references Dr. Olson's death "a suicide." Stick to the plan, they do.

Thanks, again, Joanne98. These fellahs are the worst of the worst.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 05:11 PM
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24. Didn't Dr. Henry Lee work on this case?
I'm wondering about Dr. Henry Lee. He is a forensic investigator, if I'm remembering
correctly. Didn't he investigate this the Olson case and conclude that Olson fell, and
was not pushed from the window of the high rise?

I am not saying Lee was correct. I am wondering now about Lee's credibility. Is he
a paid-government expert?

Thanks for any info...
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 05:53 PM
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29. Not that I am aware of,...but, here's some pretty interesting stuff,...
,...that may interest you about the investigation into Olson's death. Long read, though.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:43 PM
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85. Interesting story parallels...
A colleague of coroner Dr. Henry Lee, M.D., Dr. James E. Starrs, M.D., was involved in the Frank Olson case, conducting the post-exhumation autopsy that determined Dr. Olson suffered a blow to the head before falling from the 10th floor of the hotel. Serial killer Henry Lee Lucas has been linked to MK/ULTRA. The similiar names not only lead to confusion, they make it easier for disinformation specialists to operate. Once the subject is "innoculated," the noise rapidly outgrows and outshouts the signal.

From what I understand, Henry Lee Lucas is one of the 154 death-row cases ever to receive mercy from Gov Bush. Small world.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 06:32 PM
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32. Talking about this now on KPFT...
Edited on Sun Jul-01-07 06:33 PM by AntiFascist

On edit: MKULTRA stuff in general, I mean.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:52 PM
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86. MK-ULTRA very serious Dulles operation.
We know the "Who."

They were using LSD and who knows what else...



"As a result of the investigation DCI Allen Dulles sent a personal letter to the Chief of Technical Operations of the Technical Services Staff who had approved the experiment criticizing him for "poor judgment... in authorizing the use of this drug on such an unwitting basis and without proximate medical safeguards."

"<54> Dulles also sent a letter to Dr. Gottlieb, Chief of the Chemical Division of the Technical Services Staff, criticizing him for recommending the "unwitting application of the drug" in that the proposal "did not give sufficient emphasis for medical collaboration and for the proper consideration of the rights of the individual to whom it was being administered." <55>

"The letters were hand carried to the individuals to be read and returned. Although the letters were critical, a note from the Deputy Director of Central Intelligence to Mr. Helms instructed him to inform the individuals that: "These are not reprimands and no personnel file notation are being made." <56>

"Thus, although the Rockefeller Commission has characterized them as such, these notes were explicitly not reprimands. Nor did participation in the events which led to Dr. Olson's death have any apparent effect on the advancement within the CIA of the individuals involved."


Dulles. Shackley. Helms.

All close friends of the Bushes.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 06:42 PM
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33. CIA
America's Premier International Terrorist Organization

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment.

So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination.

These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator's security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists" but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

Steve Kangas

Timeline of CIA Atrocities
By Steve Kangas

The following timeline should confirm that the CIA as we know it should be abolished and replaced by a true information-gathering and analysis organization. The CIA cannot be reformed it is institutionally and culturally corrupt.


1929: The culture we lost
Secretary of State Henry Stimson refuses to endorse a code-breaking operation, saying, "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail."

1941: COI created
In preparation for World War II, President Roosevelt creates the Office of Coordinator of Information (COI). General William "Wild Bill" Donovan heads the new intelligence service.

1942: OSS created
Roosevelt restructures COI into something more suitable for covert action, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Donovan recruits so many of the nation's rich and powerful that eventually people joke that "OSS" stands for "Oh, so social!" or "Oh, such snobs!"

1943: Italy
Donovan recruits the Catholic Church in Rome to be the center of Anglo-American spy operations in Fascist Italy. This would prove to be one of America's most enduring intelligence alliances in the Cold War.

1945: OSS is abolished
The remaining American information agencies cease covert actions and return to harmless information gathering and analysis.

While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) . The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the "intelligence" the former Nazis provide is bogus.

Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious "missile gap." To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Galen was supposed to protect.

1947: Greece
President Truman requests military aid to Greece to support right-wing forces fighting communist rebels. For the rest of the Cold War, Washington and the CIA will back notorious Greek leaders with deplorable human rights records.

CIA created
President Truman signs the National Security Act of 1947, creating the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council. The CIA is accountable to the president through the NSC -there is no democratic or congressional oversight. Its charter allows the CIA to "perform such other functions and duties as the National Security Council may from time to time direct." This loophole opens the door to covert action and dirty tricks.

It Continues:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 10:15 PM
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87. Conspiracies In Action
Most of the people who work in CIA are good Americans of great nature and top character.

The ones who are in charge, though? They are not always unfamiliar with the satanic.

The Truth

These are some basic truths about our society today. Look around, see for yourself. I am not going to be sidetracked into the wasted effort of ``proving'' these things here for people who will not listen anyway . Listen to me, listen to the press, listen to the government. Who do you believe?

The United States Government tortures its own citizens. We go around the world talking about human rights, but agents of the U.S. government have not hesitated to commit the most vicious crimes against humanity right here at home. The political reality is that the U.S. is the leading economic and political power in the world, and the only superpower. Thus the U.S. government can maintain its pious hypocritical stance without fear of ``serious'' exposure. Our government has grossly abused its current power. It has wasted a chance to be a world role model for ethical government, and the chance likely will never come again.
The U.S. Constitution is just a piece of paper to covert thugs. The only rights you have are the ones you can enforce. Here in the land of High Noon, despite all the talk to the contrary, it is every man for himself. There are plenty of people who would love to see you literally tortured if you differ from them on the most minor political points. We lead the world in the technology of warfare and espionage. The same technology is used to suppress and harass so-called dissidents or ``threatening'' people and movements. If you cannot prove it happened, and the weapons officially do not exist, then nothing really happened, did it?

``Freedom'' is an empty concept used for social control. You are free only to the extent that you do not, for any reason, step on the toes of any ``important'' people. You may not even know what you have done, and may never find out: The repressive machinery will kick into gear and your life will be ruined. You may even come to realize that a campaign of dirty tricks is being focused on you, but no one will believe you. Most people live boring (to others) lives that do not threaten the powerful, and therefore do not draw the attention of the repressive apparatus. Thus the myth of freedom is perpetuated, while you are labeled a paranoid kook. The rhetoric of freedom is at least useful in that it forces the repression into covert channels. That is why I can openly post this list.

The elite and powerful in the U.S. are effectively immune to law. The law is a tool to serve the ends of the powerful. Selective enforcement is the norm. Of course, the powerful have their own sets of laws they use to attack each other. Bad policies, based on misguided notions and a patronizing, pseudo-moralizing paternalism, produce disastrous consequences. Politicians cynically exploit the resulting suffering to maintain their positions of power, reinforcing the misguided policies. Police on the street end up paying the price, bearing the brunt of enforcing bad laws.

The elite opinion-makers are not nearly as smart as they think they are. Their insular debates are frequently characterized by ignorance and outright stupidity. This tendency is heavily abetted by a forced conformity of belief. The price of mounting too strong a challenge to a ``politically powerful'' idea is ostracism and ridicule by their peers. Soon, testing ideas for political viability or against projected poll results becomes a substitute for critical thinking.

The mainstream press will not challenge -- and at times participates in -- outrageous governmental abuses. Watergate and the investigations of intelligence abuses in the mid-'70s were historical rarities. The press routinely cooperates in a conspiracy of silence -- even when innocent American lives are being destroyed and hideous crimes are being committed. The investigations of intelligence abuses in the '70s were also not especially effective. The investigators were completely outclassed by a group of professional liars, trained to subvert governments worldwide. The Cold War was still on, giving additional clout to the apologists for domestic crimes committed by our own forces. The ``intelligence community'' is well aware of the limited attention span of the American press, and repeatedly and effectively uses stonewalling, or worse, to escape any responsibility or accountability for its actions. The reforms of the '70s were subsequently largely reversed. We need a sustained, nonpartisan political consensus to clean out our nation's dirty secrets, give the domestic victims redress, punish the Cold War criminals, and start fresh without the baggage of secret, unacknowledged atrocities.


On this page I have discussed ideas in several different, though related, areas. While not exactly a summary, I end with the following sentence, the truth of which should be self-evident: AN AMERICAN CITIZEN TORTURED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FIGHT THAT SAME GOVERNMENT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO EVEN PROVE IT HAPPENED.

CONTINUED, with more "links about secret government, mind control, nonlethal weapons, the press, etc.":



Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog

And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey


The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'

Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching


America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster

-- Steppenwolf

Words and music by John Kay, Jerry Edmonton, Nick St. Nicholas and Larry Byrom

True then.

True now.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:32 PM
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99. We began the slaughter of the red man
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 09:17 PM
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39. Cheney and Rumsfeld are just sooooooo evil... They make Darth Vader look benign by comparison.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 02:41 AM
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48. Vader has style
(let's just ignore the prequels)

This lot don't even have the fashion sense to dress in stylish black.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 10:43 PM
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101. Here's where they learned their evil...
Nazi, GOP, big business, Bush Knots

Click on URLs below to access any of sites

An update from
Paul Grignon

100 Links to Bush connections

The following are links to information about the Bush family, the Bush cabinet appointees and the corporations, think tanks and foundations that are behind the GW Bush administration. My including these links to materials other than the articles I wrote is not to be considered an endorsement of any statement they contain.

These links connect to sites run by the left, the religious right, conservative think tanks, political independents and the mainstream media. Some are pro-Bush and are included for cross reference value. All links were good as of this writing so if you get a message to the contrary keep trying. They are busy sites. When you cut and paste the web addresses or type them in there must be no added spaces or characters or else you will not be able to access the sites. Within each of these sites you can do a word search on Bush or any other word or name that interests you. These materials, which are only a tiny fraction of whats out there, will help you to see through the blitzkrieg of false information we are all being subject to about GW Bush and his cabinet.

Please forward these links to your friends, the media, elected officials and anyone else with an interest in knowing the real story behind the 43rd President of the United States.

This list was compiled by Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T. (Artists Response To Illegal State Tactics) (718) 743-3722
Lederman articles on the Bush connection to Nazis, eugenics and drug companies. Also articles on West Nile Virus, Giuliani, the Manhattan Institute - more than 50 articles filled with references. /

An exceptional article on the relationship between American conservatives, GW Bush, so-called compassionate conservatism, eugenics and the Nazis: Nazis In America by Myrna Estep Ph. D

Bush financial misconduct

Bush family background / search for Bush search for Bush

CIA, Nazis & the Republican Party

Philadelphia Enquirer 9/10/98 David Lee Preston, Fired Bush backer one of several with possible Nazilinks, September 10, 1988.

Project Paperclip: the CIA Nazi recruitment program. Many of the think tanks and organizations behind Bush got their ideas directly from these former Nazi officials.

Head of Florida holocaust Museum links Bush family to Nazis The Bush family fortune came from the Third Reich. John Loftus, former US Justice Dept. Nazi War Crimes investigator and President of the Florida Holocaust Museum quoted in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune 11/11/2000

4/14/1990 New York Times quotes George Bush as stating, Lets forgive the Nazi war criminals. US releases Nazi documents (AP)

Josef Goebbels on propaganda. Understand how the Big Lie techniques used by the Bush campaign work

Eugenics sites (the Bush family are among the worlds top advocates for eugenics) /

Gulf War Syndrome and how the George Bush administration supplied Iraq with chemical and biological warfare materials, allowed US servicemen and women to be exposed to them and then covered up the entire scandal by Air Force Captain Joyce Riley

An interesting chronology of world events related to the Bush family and the new administrations goals.

Cheney links

A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there.-William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937. See: Shadow of the Swastika

Powell took hefty fee from Lebanese just before election

The Heritage Foundation /

The Bell Curve and the Pioneer Fund (The Bell Curve is the socialogical text that is the source behind many of the Bushs cabinet appointees ideas on African Americans, welfare reform, affirmative action, school vouchers, voting rights etc. Its author, Charles Murray, is directly connected to more than half of Bushs cabinet appointees and advisors)

Pioneer Fund Backs Controversial Study of Racial BettermentNew York Times - 12/11/97

Bush has controversial bio removed from stores

Quotes by Bush, Kissenger etc. on the New World Order l

Bush, Hitler, Skull and Bones connection

To access thousands of web sites with detailed information on the Bush/Nazi connection go to a good search engine such as / and type in Bush AND Nazi. Likewise if you type in Alcoa AND Nazi or Ford AND Nazi etc. youll get thousands of pages of information on these connections.

Return to SunMt peace with justice archives
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 10:07 PM
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43. re the scientist, cheney, rumsfeld - it appears Germany won after all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:23 AM
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56. That has long been my conclusion, h_c.
Except now the fascists came up with another way to get rid of Israel - call it prophecy and get the religious right on board with them while Israel is surrounded by increasingly hostile Islamists - as designed by our decades of exploitation and agitation.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:20 PM
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90. Worse yet, get the worldwide Jewish population on board...
by instilling fear of terrorism and promising that all will be well once the "Americanization process" gets under way in the Middle East. How is that going, by the way?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 11:05 PM
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102. Nazis and Bush family history: Government investigated Bush family's financing of Hitler
Yeah. Germany lost.
America lost.
And the NAZI types have nearly won.
But We the People haven't given up.

Nazis and Bush family history:

Government investigated Bush family's financing of Hitler

By Carla Binion
December 21, 2000

This article on Nazis in the Republican party was originally published in Online Journal on 1/28/00. However, the following includes additional information regarding George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert (Bert) Walker, and the fact that the U. S. government investigated their financing of Adolf Hitler.

One book referenced here, Christopher Simpson's "Blowback," was praised by journalist Seymour Hersh as "the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking." Nora Levin, Director, Holocaust Archive, Gratz College, said "The full story of this country's shameful, cynical collaboration with Nazi criminals has not been told until now with the publication of Simpson's book." Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman said, 'Blowback' is a must read for anyone who wants to understand postwar policy on Nazi war criminals and the cold war."

In another Simpson book, "The Splendid Blonde Beast," the author wrote about George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert Walker. Both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush were powerful financial supporters of Adolf Hitler.

Walker was president of Union Banking Corporation, a firm that traded with Germany and helped German industrialists consolidate Hitler's political power. Simpson says Union Banking became a Nazi money-laundering machine.

Walker helped take over North American operations of Hamburg-Amerika Line, a shipping line and cover for I. G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the U. S. Hamburg-Amerika smuggled in German agents, and brought in money for bribing American politicians to support Hitler. A 1934 congressional investigation showed Hamburg-Amerika subsidized Nazi propaganda efforts in the U. S.

George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, was a board member of Union Banking and a senior partner in a Union Banking affiliate the investment firm Brown Brothers, Harriman. The U. S. government investigated both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush, and under the Trading with the Enemy Act seized all shares of Union Banking, including shares held by Prescott Bush. The government held that "huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort."

Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in "Blowback" that after World War II, Nazi s were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U. S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U. S. certain concessions in exchange for his own protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.


These turds fear one thing more than all others: Being named and proved the traitors they are.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 10:22 PM
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44. jogging the memory..
I now remember Frank Olsons death being discussed on WBAI(NYC) back then. I'm very happy that it hasn't been completely forgotten.
Thanks much for this post!
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 11:44 PM
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45. thanks octafish. This must never be forgotten. These
same slime keep showing up like monsters in a horror movie.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 12:32 AM
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YOU WILL SEE MANY NAMES YOU RECOGNISE..that are surfacing in this next election cycle!!

for starters..Governor George think "The Manchurian Candidate,"

you will see Gerald Ford up front and smack in the middle of MK ultra..

I highly suggest reading both books!!

i have bookmarked..but having surgery in will have to pick up later!!


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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:29 AM
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57. Good luck with your surgery.
Corydon Hammond, a Utah psychologist is amongst the people who are speaking out about the use of torture and mind control to create alter personalities who act outside of the hosts/victim's wishes and knowledge. Cults like the ones in Utah are thought to be testing grounds and hotbeds for the ongoing research into how to control populations. It is all very sordid. No surprise here that the Romneys would be involved, not an iota.

Good luck to you with your surgery.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:11 PM
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65. OMG. Mitt Romney?????
Someone posted here either that they'd met him or an article that said his eyes were blank -- just blank, like "no one home."

I'll see if I can find it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 12:39 AM
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47. k&r

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:37 AM
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58. Kick
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 11:54 AM
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59. K&R.
As always, Octafish.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:17 PM
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60. ttt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:21 PM
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61. Kick
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:43 PM
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63. The CIA's Drug-Trafficking Activities
The CIA's Drug-Trafficking Activities
The CIA's operational directorate, in other words that's their covert operations, para-military, dirty tricks call it whatever you want has for at least 40 years that we can document paid for a significant amount of its work through the sales of heroin and cocaine. Guerrilla News Network's Interview with Christopher Simpson

ClA-supported Mujahedeen rebels engaged heavily in drug trafficking while fighting against the Soviet-supported government and its plans to reform the very backward Afghan society. The Agency's principal client was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, one of the leading druglords and a leading heroin refiner. CIA-supplied trucks and mules, which had carried arms into Afghanistan, were used to transport opium to laboratories along the Afghan/Pakistan border. The output provided up to one half of the heroin used annually in the United States and three-quarters of that used in Western Europe. U.S. officials admitted in 1990 that they had failed to investigate or take action against the drug operation because of a desire not to offend their Pakistani and Afghan allies. The Real Drug Lords

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, as is by now well-known by anyone who has cared to be informed, has long been deeply involved in the international trafficking of the addictive drugs heroin and (since the early 1980s, if not earlier) cocaine, the enormous profits from which have financed, and continue to finance, both U.S. covert operations and the U.S. military (via payments to Pentagon contractors).

The main reason why this is not more widely known is that the main players in the U.S. media have always worked to protect the Agency and to keep the American public in the dark as to the nature of its activities (as documented in great detail in Carl Bernstein's article in the October 20, 1977, issue of Rolling Stone: "The CIA and the Media: How America's Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up"). The information you will find on this web page, and the web pages it links to, is not considered by the editors of the New York Times and other mainstream U.S. "news" media as proper for the public to know.

By the end of the 1980's it was calculated that the illegal use of drugs in the United States now netted its controllers over $110 billion a year. Modern Times, p.782.

Covert government by defense contractor means corrupt wars of conquest, government by dope dealer. When the world's traditional inebriative herbs become illegal commodities, they become worth as much as precious metal, precious metal that can be farmed. ... Illegal drugs, solely because of the artificial value given them by Prohibition, have become the basis of military power anywhere they can be grown and delivered in quantity. ... To this day American defense contractors are the biggest drug-money launderers in the world. Drug War: Covert Money, Power and Policy, p.318.

Most of this page concerns the CIA's involvement in drug trafficking, but we should first note that this is only one part of its activities, the means by which it finances its operations in addition to the billions of dollars it gets from U.S. taxpayers courtesy of the U.S. federal government (the exact amount, of course, being kept secret from U.S. taxpayers). In addition to being the principal source of U.S. propaganda for domestic and foreign consumption the CIA is the covert operations division of the U.S. goverment and as such has engaged in many terrorist activities. In fact the CIA is a terrorist organization, funded by the profits of international drug smuggling. ...

"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."

-- George Bush, cited in the June, 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter

George Bush with legendary CIA agent Felix Rodriguez a.k.a. "Mr. Gomez" who ran the Mexican portion of the Iran-Contra guns and drug running operation.

"I have put thousands of Americans away for tens of thousands of years for less evidence for conspiracy with less evidence than is available against Ollie North and CIA people. . . . I personally was involved in a deep-cover case that went to the top of the drug world in three countries. The CIA killed it."

Former DEA Agent Michael Levine
CNBC-TV, October 8, 1996

"The connections piled up quickly. Contra planes flew north to the U.S., loaded with cocaine, then returned laden with cash. All under the protective umbrella of the United States Government. My informants were perfectly placed: one worked with the Contra pilots at their base, while another moved easily among the Salvadoran military officials who protected the resupply operation. They fed me the names of Contra pilots. Again and again, those names showed up in the DEA database as documented drug traffickers.

"When I pursued the case, my superiors quietly and firmly advised me to move on to other investigations."

Former DEA Agent Celerino Castillo
Powder Burns, 1992

"The Subcommittee found that the Contra drug links included:

Involvement in narcotics trafficking by individuals associated with the Contra movement.

Participation of narcotics traffickers in Contra supply operations through business relationships with Contra organizations.

Provision of assistance to the Contras by narcotics traffickers, including cash, weapons, planes, pilots, air supply services and other materials, on a voluntary basis by the traffickers.

Payments to drug traffickers by the US State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies."

Senate Committee Report on Drugs,
Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy
chaired by Senator John F. Kerry
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:26 PM
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91. There was even a concerted effort by the CIA recently to coverup...
the drug-running aspect to Iran-Contra, particularly on the internets. Illegal arms trading is bad enough, but the drug trade opens up a whole can of worms on both sides of the political aisle.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 12:06 AM
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100.  Colombia's Gen. Mario Montoya Uribe and the American Anti-communist Alliance (Triple A)
another part of the family jewels and the black budget terrorist network.

Check out this National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book on the American Anti-communist Alliance, Gen. Uribe and the criminal networks of real terrorists sponsored by the BFEE in Colombia.

The Truth About Triple-A
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:03 PM
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67. Just a couple of simple facts to remember, at one time the CIA's MK prefix
Edited on Tue Jul-03-07 01:09 PM by bobthedrummer
designated an operation run by the Technical Services Division/TSD (Guys like Sid Gottlieb et. al.); the designation for LSD-25 used for accounting purposes by the US Army was EA 1729; (remember that no arrests have been made in the anthrax attacks; the anthrax was from the Ames strain weaponized by the US Army for the end user CIA) the final days of former CIA Director Richard McGarrah Helms were spent destroying docs and papers that were linked to the various illegal programs-but he wasn't able to destroy some 16,000 accounting docs.

Another CIA prefix was MH which designated a worldwide operation. Fwiw, one of the other acts that Mr. Helms (who was the leading proponent of mind control "research" that Alan Dulles approved in April 1954) undertook in the frantic final days of his Directorship was an operational description change from "political dissident" to "terrorist" and the illegal murderous domestic program MH CHAOS became the International Terrorism Group headed by the same official that was part of MH CHAOS Richard Ober.

After leaving the CIA Mr. Helms was made Ambassador to Iran for awhile.

Btw, Mr. Helms maternal grandfather, Gates McGarrah, was the first President of the Bank of International Settlements which Gates and Hjalmar Schacht (later Nazi Minister of Economics) and others made a reality.

Lalli Helms, Richard's niece, was the US "public relations" person for the Taliban for awhile (Lalli worked at the so-called US Institute for Peace/USIP where a lot of other folks have found "cover").

For those that doubt, check out these facts for yourselves.

here are two supporting links but do your own searches and spread what you find around to those you love and care about
Hjalmar Schacht profile from Spatacus

Church Committee Hearings: Appendix A. XVII. Testing And Use Of Chemical And Biological Agents By The Intelligence Community

One last fact, the US biological warfare program began when the UK requested a couple of kilograms of anthrax-University of Wisconsin Professor Ira Baldwin took on the task and converted Fort Detrick into a biological weapons plant, Frank Olson studied under Baldwin when he earned his degree at UW. UW's Edwin B. Fred was also involved in the biological warfare effort.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:11 PM
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68. I "see" a "pattern" because I came up against "it" in 1969-the crimes include murder eom
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-05-07 12:56 PM
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72. kick and another link to Cheryl Welsh's Mind Justice. org website
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 12:58 PM
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74. Thanks for all the information you find for us Octafish.
If we ever get an legitimate government back, I hope that the CIA is abolished and a new agency created in its place with new and untainted blood. There has been so much malfaesance from this agency that anything beneficial that it might have accomplished is way overshadowed by the evil and unAmerican things they have done. UnAmerican is the operative word here. As much as I hate to use it because of its corrupted use by the McCarthy hearing's era it's the only word that truly decribes what they are.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 01:02 PM
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75. Keep this kicked for another news cycle...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 05:38 PM
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76. The news from Ohio-just because someone is monitoring your communications for political
reasons, it must remain a national security secret as per the Decider and the criminals at DoJ!

Never mind the fact that it is a crime to conceal crimes behind national security classifications.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 12:11 PM
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77. Against Sexual has a page on some of the documented old cases
cited-this one came out of the 1985 Simms vs CIA case and it gives some background on what these prominent citizens like Harvard PhD's and MD's had done to their "research subjects" in classified crime.

Take Dr. Martin Orne for example.

Don't forget, that was decades ago, it's much more severe today.

Martin A. Lee did an article back in 2002 that Common Dreams posted 6-4-2002 that was ignored by most
"Truth Serums and Torture"

Yep, we are witnessing the BLOWBACK from these evil crimes perpetrated by mad scientists, fascists, and rich old perverts in the name of national security influenced by real Nazis that were rewarded with identities and jobs as Americans fighting godless communism, now international terror...

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 01:11 PM
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81. .
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:24 PM
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82. Another kick and the thought that the entire 107th Congress was "influenced" when PATRIOT ACT etc
got "passed" along with all kinds of other undemocratic unconstitutional crapola.

And only one US Senator said , maybe we should read this before voting?

Remember what kinds of influences were active then?!?
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:32 PM
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84. A new Pearl Harbor?
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:02 PM
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83. Self edit
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 09:06 PM by Elspeth
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:45 PM
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89. "Air Force Arms Lab Reports (Front Matter)" archived at the
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:59 PM
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92. kick
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 03:22 PM
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93. Perhaps some people don't want to know, yet these crimes are being spoken openly about
don't be a hypocrite that says they love the truth, and when it's revealed there is denial or worse.

"Ford Country: Building An Elite For Indonesia" by David Ransom (reminds some people of what PNAC et. al. has done to some degree with their HOMELAND (tm) ideologies since January 2001)

Declassified Mk Ultra Project Documents

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:05 PM
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95. Question is How much can you actively cover up and still have a conscience?
None of this was possible without active measures taken by lots of people to keep it quiet.

Did none of them grow a conscience? Were they all subject to death threats and blackmail?

A dark chapter in our history....
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 03:13 PM
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96. wasn't this case released into public information previously?
i'm asking not telling but to be honest it seems to me that i first heard of frank olson in the 1970s ?

i was under the impression that his mistreatment and the mk/ultra program was a well known part of usa history -- perhaps not as well known any more as it should be, but there are so many new outrages that keep coming at us

one good thing about the discovery of these new papers -- some younger people today have some v. strange and romantic ideas about the 50s and 60s with NO idea about how the usa gov't could turn viciously on its own people w. these type of experiments -- it's good to keep this out in the open
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:59 PM
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97. I think we are witnessing more of the "products" of the types of programs
that were noted in the family jewels-take Sen. Vitter as just one example. Kind of like a 21st century Operation MIDNIGHT CLIMAX.

These "programs" never ended, there are similar "programs" in many nations imo and experience.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:31 PM
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103. A world renowned physicist, Vlad N. Binhi, has a report on the electromagnetic components
of mind control that has been published on human rights activist and UN recognized non-lethal weapons authority Cheryl Welsh's Mind Justice website.

Without further comment, here is a link to this report.

"Electromagnetic Aspect of Mind Control: A Scientific Analysis" by Vlad N. Binhi

Fair use cited.
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