Question: Are our top 'Generals' obliged to uphold and protect our Constitution OOORRRR

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

,...uphold and protect the CIC and his corporate cronies?

Seriously.

What is our "TOP BRASS" obliged to serve FIRST: our Constitution or our corporatocracy?

I really want to know the priority of a military COMPLETELY PAID FOR by a people who are dependent upon the protections of a supreme law of the land, a document called The Constitution.

Does the CIC take priority?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. The Generals' Main Priorities Are To Follow The CIC; Period.

And I also think that's the way it should be.

[Solo_in_MD]

7. Disagree, mildly

They swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, and the Constitution defines that they answer to the CIC.

[michreject]

12. Who

??????

[Solo_in_MD]

16. See post #1

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

9. So, they have no obligation to say "NO" to a clearly illegal order?

As CIC, I order you to lie to the American people and carry this message to them. AS CIC, I order you to NOT INVESTIGATE perpetrators of crimes. As CIC, I order you to imprison, torture and kill without any basis, whatsoever. As CIC, I order you to keep your damn mouth shut about the truth and let me do as I please no matter whether I am breaking the law or not.

SERVE ME!!!! I AM THE POWER!!!!

Sorry. I got a little theatrical, there, but,...I thought they had to serve something more than a dictator, should one ever come into being in this country.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

17. Please, come back, OMC,...and explain why you think it should be the way,...

,...you see it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. Because I Absolutely Believe In A Strong Military And Absolutely Believe That There Needs To Be

strict adherence to the orders of the CIC as a means to that end. The CIC is the ultimate leader of the military and it is a no brainer in my opinion that all in the military have the primary focus of following orders set out by the CIC. There's no question in my mind that's how it has to and needs to be.

But that's speaking overall conceptually. As far as bush is concerned, or at other times when the CIC acts in such manners, than it is the responsibility of the Congress to keep him in check and they have powers within their hands to ensure that. When there's a failure of that, it is a failure of Congress. But that doesn't mean that the generals' priorities should shift whatsoever from following the orders of the CIC. In order to have a strong and efficient military, that's undoubtedly how it needs to be. That holds true no matter who the president is.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

20. So, the military MUST SERVE a Hitler because, that is, the way it is,....

,...in your perception of a Military's role?

:scared: (you were bs'n when you said you scored on top of the Dali Lama, huh).

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Oh The Melodrama. It Is Congresses Responsibility To Ensure They Don't.

I don't expect you to get the concept. I really don't.

And no, I wasn't bs'ing. But nice try bub.

[Thothmes]

27. Perception

So you perception of a military's role is to pick and choose their CIC. Would you prefer the American Military to act like those in many south american countries. They decide who they will follow. Like it or not, the Consititution defines the role of the Senior military leadership in relation to that of the President.

[Rex]

2. They all serve at the 'pleasure' of the president.

Since we don't have one of those, a bastard stepped in and suspended Habeas Corpus so really the military has no rights, even less than civilians now.

The brass will follow orders from their 'boss' until the bitter end. It is what they get paid to do.

[izzie]

3. They swear to the Constitution.

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[silverweb]

4. The Constitution first, then the CIC.

Text of oaths for recruits and officers below:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

Source: http://www.army.mil/CMH/faq/oaths.htm

[Fridays Child]

14. Yes, and only the pledge to obey the president includes the qualification...

"...according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

The duty to defend the Constitution, against all enemies foreign and domestic, is first in the oath and it contains no such qualification. It is the transcendent duty.

Here's more: http://www.counterpunch.org/mosqueda02272003.html

[BlackHawk706867]

5. That's a two teared thing actually... They are required to follow the CIC... but...

the CIC is sworn by his office to follow the Constitution... So, by default they are sworn to the Constitution.

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[Catch22Dem]

6. Here's your answer

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

See, when our spineless congress voted to make this war legal, the officers and enlisted men and women were (and are) required to follow the orders of the president and the officers above them. In this case, because congress voted to legalize this insanity, and has not since been deemed unconstitutional, it is considered a legal order.

There are also illegal orders, for example, your platoon leader cannot order you to shoot a civilian child. No matter how much he may get in your face and threaten you with the UCMJ and a lifetime at Ft. Leavenworth, it's an illegal order and you're not obliged to follow it. Many who commit crimes in the military claim they didn't know any better, but when I went through Basic Training, we had a full day seminar, with examples, on the difference between legal and illegal orders. So, when they say they didn't know, I always blame them equally along with the person who gave the order. Teaching the difference has been pretty standard practice since My Lai.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

11. So, the Constitution is FIRST but is named as equal to obeying the CIC.

With respect to your example of a platoon leader, suppose a commander or whatever superior officer put a private militia or otherwise in charge over you, didn't tell you, and you followed their instruction.

I'm thinking, we have a lot of barbaric corporacrats willing to do that kind of shit to our people who are subjected to the CMJ. Those in the higher ranks who cooperate with that kind of conspiracy to violate the laws of THIS LAND should be held accountable, along with whom they cooperated.

Would NOT that be just and consistent with the Constitution: to demand that all those who have taken an oath to protect our Constitution and violated both their oath AND the Constitution be charged and tried before a jury of their peers (that would be the citizens of this country)?

[spanone]

8. They Follow Orders.....of their Commander in Chief

they are 'supposed' to uphold Constitution. bu$h* has politicized everything.

[leveymg]

10. Tie-breaker answer: they swear to the Constitution, and at the CiC

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

13. Perhaps, there was an assumption the other two branches WOULD NEVER ALLOW THE CIC,...

,..to BREAK HIS OATH OF OFFICE EVERY DAMN DAY.

oops

sorry

i've been doing those caps a lot because,...i see the world's worst, present-day, criminals still having complete reign over this nation's resources and killing us and them every single day,...and they are free,...free to continue their tyranny,...and,...

[leftofthedial]

15. the corporate kleptocracy that guarantees their enormous income

when the retire to become double dippers

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

19. I apologize if I am being a pain in the butt. BUT, my question hasn't been answered.

I want an answer about who our military SERVES: the American people via the Constitution or the CIC.

I want an answer. Actually, I NEED an answer.

[indepat]

21. That the top generals, the 'pukes in Congress, way too many Dems, and much of MSM have chosen to

uphold the CIC even in clearly unconstitutional, unlawful, illegal, immoral, unjust, and inhumane activities rather than uphold, protect, and preserve the Constitution of the United States is indeed indicative of a a goose-stepping, brown-shirt. lemming-rushing-to-sea mentality imnsho.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

22. For those who enlisted to SERVE OUR NATION, they need an answer.

It is so gaddamned unfair to our military to be STUCK between serving a CIC and serving OUR NATION, her Constitution, her "rule of law".

I don't hate much,...actually never a person always his/her actions. But, I feel hate, remorsefully, towards those who use and abuse those who have committed themselves to SERVING THIS NATION.

I hate those people. :cry: It's aweful to hate but it is human to hate someone YOU KNOW IS BEING OPPRESSIVE. Doesn't make hate right and I am going to drop that hatred, right now. I prefer JUSTICE,...DEMAND THOSE WHO HAVE CRIMINALLY ADVANTAGED THEMSELVES OF OUR MOST HONORABLE AND LOYAL PEOPLE,...FACE TIME FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!

Of course, that will never happen and those freaks of human nature will keep their claws in all of us because NOBODY HAS THE GUTS TO CHALLENGE HUMAN EVIL.

[conscious evolution]

24. Uphold the Constitution

Their oath of office says nothing about allegiance to the cic.

Unfortunately the officer corp of the armed forces appear to be oath breakers.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. The generals' first obligation is to kiss enough ass to become generals.

[Zywiec]

26. There are two oaths: Enlisted Soldiers and Officers

"I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully execute the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God."

The officers, unlike enlisted servicemembers, do not swear an oath to obey the orders of the President or of the officers "appointed over me." Their oath is solely to defend the Constitution.