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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:02 PM
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If you missed Bill Moyers Journal tonight, you missed an outstanding interview with an amazing woman
Grace Lee Boggs. I'd never heard of her before tonight -- but what a powerful thinker!

If "Journal" hasn't been broadcast yet in your area then find out when it's showing and DON'T MISS IT!

Here's a portion of the transcript:


Bill Moyers talks with Grace Lee Boggs

BILL MOYERS: You know, a lot of young people out there would agree with your analysis. With your diagnosis. And then they will say; What can I do that's practical? How do I make the difference that Grace Lee Boggs is taking about. What would you be doing?

GRACE LEE BOGGS: I would say do something local. Do something real, however, small. And don't-- don't diss the political things, but understand their limitations.

BILL MOYERS: Don't 'diss' them?

GRACE LEE BOGGS: Disrespect them.

BILL MOYERS: Disrespect them?

GRACE LEE BOGGS: Understand their limitations. Politics-- there-- there was a time when we believed that if we just achieved political power it would solve all our problems. And I think what we learned from experiences of the Russian Revolution, all those revolutions, that those who become-- who to get power in the state, become part of the state. They become locked in to the practices. And we have to begin creating new practices.

BILL MOYERS: What will it take for this next round of change that you see as promising? What would it take?

GRACE LEE BOGGS: It takes discussions like this. I mean, it takes a whole lot of things. It takes people doing things. It takes people talking about things. It takes dialogue. It takes changing the whole lot of ways by which we think.

BILL MOYERS: Do you see any leaders who are advocating that change? I mean, people that we would all recognize, anybody we'd all recognize?

GRACE LEE BOGGS: I don't see any leaders, and I think we have to rethink the concept of "leader." 'Cause "leader" implies "follower." And, so many-- not so many, but I think we need to appropriate, embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for.


She also has a post up on the Journal blog:


Seeds of Change

By Grace Lee Boggs

I was privileged to participate in the great humanizing movements of the last century, but I can’t recall a time when the issues were so basic, so interconnected.

How are we going to make our livings in a society becoming increasingly jobless because of hi-tech and outsourcing? Where will we get the imagination to recognize that for most of human history the concept of Jobs didn’t even exist? Work, as distinguished from Labor, was done to produce needed goods and services, develop skills and artistry, and nurture cooperation.

How do we rebuild cities like Detroit that were once the arsenal of democracy into models of 21st century self-reliance and sustainability?

How do we redefine education so that 30-50 percent of inner-city children do not drop out of school, thus ensuring that millions will end up in prison?

What will move us to care for our biosphere instead of using our technological mastery to increase the speed at which we are making it uninhabitable?

Can we build an America in which people of all races and ethnicities live together in harmony, and Euro-Americans, in particular, celebrate their role as one among many minorities constituting the multiethnic majority?

And, especially since 9/11, how do we achieve reconciliation with the two-thirds of the world that increasingly resents our economic, military, and cultural domination?

These are the times to grow our souls. Each of us is called upon to embrace the conviction that despite the powers and principalities bent on commodifying all our human relationships, we have the power within us to create the world anew.

We can begin by doing small things at the local level, like planting community gardens or looking out for our neighbors. That is how change takes place in living systems, not from above but from within, from many local actions occurring simultaneously.

Actions like these seem insignificant because we judge progress in terms of quantity. But, as the decline of GM suggests, the time has come to rethink the way we think. In the words of organizational consultant Margaret Wheatley (Leadership and Modern Science):

“From a Newtonian perspective, our efforts often seem too small, and we doubt that our actions will contribute incrementally to large-scale change. But a quantum view explains the success of small efforts quite differently.

Acting locally allows us to be inside the movement and flow of the system, Changes in small places affect the global system, not through incrementalism, but because every small system participates in an unbroken wholeness. We never know how our small activities will affect others through the invisible fabric of our connectedness. In this exquisitely connected world, it’s never a question of ‘critical mass.’ It’s always about critical connections.”


I think her message is a crucial one for true progressives, and I hope DUers will give her words some serious consideration.

sw
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:15 PM
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1. Everything's Connected
"The most amazing experience for me was to stand beneath the jungle canopy towering 120 feet overhead. It truly had the feeling and simplicity of a gothic cathedral. The trees were like pillars, often anchored by buttress-like roots. They grew in a mere six inches of soil. You couldn't help but wonder what sustained them, and then you looked at the ground and saw the interplay of mosses, ferns, mushrooms, insects and animals, and you began to understand the beauty and complexity and interdependence of life.

We are, all of us, like those trees. Even they depend on the kindness of strangers, and so it is for us.

No matter how high we may sometimes soar, no matter how invincible we may sometimes feel, we are all fed and nurtured and sustained by complex webs of connection. We all truly are in this together."

Teresa Heinz Kerry
2004

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:18 PM
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4. Lovely quote -- thank you! Yes, everything IS connected. Ms. Bogg's words gave me hope.
Sort of "the butterfly effect" of positive social evolution.

sw
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:16 PM
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2. She's been around awhile
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:20 PM
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5. Obviously -- she's 90-some years old! I'm truly sorry that I didn't know about her until now.
And truly glad that I do now!

Thanks for posting the link!

sw
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:18 PM
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3. Thanks for the scoop!
I will listen via podcast. :hi:

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:33 PM
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6. "leader" implies "follower."
and mirrors the pyramid structure of domination and hierarchy/patriarchy

Of course true Democracy is a circle, where are all equal.
Simple isn't it?
:hi:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:51 PM
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12. Beautifully said, GJ!
:hi: back atcha!

sw
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:10 AM
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21. It seems there was a time for leaders such as MLK
but nobody can fill such a place today. For Democracy to evolve toward true equality, I believe we the people must also evolve beyond needing charismatic leaders in the traditional sense. We are working together in a community. Nothing really gets done until you do it yourself, as they say.

She is so right.

thank you!
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:34 PM
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7. She is truly a brilliant and passionate woman, and what a
life she has led.

At 91, she has seen and been a part of it all. Civil Rights, wars, changes of every kind, she has been there. I was impressed w/her intelligence and dignity, and repect for her passion goes w/out saying.

The other thing on Moyers was the lead story concerning a possible pardon of Libby. Moyers sounded distinctly disgusted as he rolled out the names of those who are pushing for a pardon, every last one was a RW hack. But the coup d' grace was when he spoke of the judge in the piece, a bush appointee that is a no nonsense law and order type of guy. He did the right thing, and for that I have great respect for him.

Possibly one of the best quotes I've ever heard came from JAmes Gilmore, former governor of VA:

"If the public believes there's one law for a certain group of people in high places and another law for regular people, then you will destroy the law and destroy the system."

This from a conservative no less I am impressed...:)

Form the transcript:

<snip>

BILL MOYERS: "I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was Vice President Cheney's most trusted adviser - as you know, he's been sentenced to 30 months in jail for lying. Perjury. Not a white lie, mind you. A killer lie. Scooter Libby deliberately poured poison into the drinking water of democracy by lying to federal investigators....for the purpose of obstructing justice.

Attempting to trash critics of the war, Libby and his pals in high places - including his boss Dick Cheney - outed a covert CIA agent. Libby then lied to cover their tracks. He kicked sand in the eyes of truth, to throw investigators off the trail. Said the Chief Prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald: "Libby lied about nearly everything that mattered." The jury agreed and found him guilty on four felony counts. The judge - Reggie B. Walton - a no-nonsense lock-em-up-and-throw-away-the-key type appointed to the bench by none other than George W. Bush - called the evidence ‘overwhelming' and threw the book at Libby. You would have thought their man had been ordered to Guantanamo, so intense was the reaction from his defenders. They flooded the judge's chambers with letters of support for their comrade and took to the airwaves in a campaign to free Scooter Libby."

<snip>

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06152007/transcript4.html
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:56 PM
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14. I was also impressed with his interview of Andy Stern, the union organizer.
Made me think back to Paul Wellstone's battle cry of "Organize!"

Anyway, the Libby segment definitely packed a punch. Moyers is a treasure!

sw
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:59 PM
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16. The whole show was excellent...I am truly impressed, Moyers
was right on target w/everything tonight...Fantastic...:D
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:37 PM
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8. Dang it!!!! I keep forgetting he has a show again. Grrrrrffff!!!
I love Bill Moyers!

Must. Post. Reminder. To. Self!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:45 PM
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10. Well, follow the link in my post -- you can at least read all the transcripts!
The videos are available as well, if you're fortunate enough to be able watch on your computer. (I'm on dialup, so it's of no use to me, unfortunately)

Also, I think that a lot of PBS local affiliates re-broadcast Moyers' show at least once after the initial primetime broadcast -- like at 3am or something.

Bill Moyers Journal is truly "must-see TV" -- I'll try to remember to post a reminder ahead of time next Friday.

sw
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:55 PM
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13. Thank you, thank you, miss scarletwoman!
I have high speed internet, so I should be able to watch.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:58 PM
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15. All right! I'm so glad you can watch after all! (nt)
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:01 AM
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17. Me too!
Thanks again! :hi:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:40 PM
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9. Every show he's had since he's returned to the air has been
outstanding. I wish we could clone him and place the clones throughout our news media.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:49 PM
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11. I am SOOOO grateful he's back on the air! I totally agree -- every show has been outstanding!
It still amazes me that something of this quality is actually being broadcast -- it's like finally reaching an oasis after years of wandering in the desert.

sw
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:01 AM
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18. Thank You. An important discussion more should hear.
I was watching (west coast) and returned to DU intending to dig up some links and encourage others to listen/hear. Thanks for doing this so well. Her final comment: "I think we need to appropriate, embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for."
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:07 AM
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20. "We are the leaders we've been looking for." Yes! Let us all remind ourselves of this daily!
Thank you so much for chiming in!

sw
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:03 AM
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19. Thanks. I missed the show but it repeats here on Sat. and Sunday Mornings!
I'll catch it tomorrow.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:02 PM
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22. Very good journal, Stern & Boggs. Excellent.
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