So in September, when they tell us the "surge" is working, What will the Democrats do? /nt

[still_one]

[Le Taz Hot]

1. I can't answer that question

without being deleted.

[leftchick]

2. give bush more war money

"to support the troops". Just a hunch mind you.

[still_one]

7. I really hope the Democrats stand up this time. They have to point out the pattern of lies

that have been propagated for the last six plus years, and that this is only a continuation of the same

[n2doc]

25. Probably a pretty good hunch, based on the record so far... n/t

[madrchsod]

3. make a lot of noise and run away....

[bryant69]

4. I don't know - but I do know that anytimes the right time to attack Democrats

But of course it's possible, just barely, that the surge won't work, and that the failure of the surge will be apparent to all.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[still_one]

8. The surge isn't and won't work, but that won't stop the administration from saying it is working

I think there is a chance that the failure will be "even more apparent to all", in spite of the administration's lies

Look at bush's approval. People are slowing realizing they have been had, and unfortunately our soldiers are realizing it at a terrible cost

[Virginia Dare]

5. Better question, what will the moderate Repukes do?...n/t

[still_one]

10. You have a point. I personally believe people won't believe the lies from the administration

It is hard to tell, but I think since the last war funding bill, people are seeing the light

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

6. I think it'll be pretty apparent that it's not.

It was apparent even at the time that "last throes" and "turning the corner" wasn't happening.

[still_one]

11. My point is I think the administration has played their last lie

It will be obvious that the our presence in Iraq is only making things worse.

I don't think the little boy crying wolf will work anymore

[Ganja Ninja]

9. They'll cough up another 100 billion.

They aren't going to cut off funding. If they were they would be telling him right now that no more funding is coming and he should plan on pulling the troops out with the funds he already has. Until they do that expect them to pass more funding.

[Virginia Dare]

12. I disagree..

I see evidence to the contrary..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1105354

[still_one]

16. I believe Congress heard from their constiuients on the last funding bill

and the results were not flatering

Not only do I think they received the message loud and clear, I believe in Septemeber when the full funding comes up for a vote it will be reflected in actions

[PassingFair]

19. They don't care what we think.

The DLC and their corporate donors DON'T CARE WHAT WE THINK.

Who the HELL ELSE ARE WE GOING TO VOTE FOR?

They DO NOT CARE.

We now return to your scheduled posting.

[still_one]

26. The Congressional Democrats know exactly why they won in 2006

They also know they cannot rely on "who else are we going to vote for"

We will know in September

[PassingFair]

37. I disagree.

Are we going to vote for Mitt Romney?

We are screwn, and they don't give a *hit.

They will have their profits.

[Marr]

38. They got that message last November. They chose to ignore it and

go with corporate profits instead. There was alot of noise before they "caved" on that spending bill as well. They knew- and know- what their actual constituents want. But it's more profitable to court the money, and besides- all they have to do is put on a little political play, a little show of resistance without ever offering actual resistance, and they're set.

[Ganja Ninja]

17. What's different about this then the last bill Bush vetoed?

Sending him another bill isn't going to be any more effective then it was the last time. They have to tell him publicly that no more funding is coming period. Then they have to refuse to let any bill with funds for the war ever see the light of day. No more money! Not one dime more! That is the only way otherwise they'll cave just like last time.

[Virginia Dare]

21. It will be different when the Repubs start to defect...

just in time for the fall election, and I believe they will, it seems like Reid and Pelosi do, and they know a lot more than we do in that regard I'm sure.

Bush will not be able to dictate the terms of the next bill, they're just putting him on notice for that. Not that he cares, or understands, but they've done their part now. It's a courtesy he doesn't deserve, but they did it nonetheless.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Continue to behave like chicken shits

Why should we expect anything else?

[NavyDavy]

14. We can only do what we can but without help from some of

the centrist repukes we will never be able to force anything thru....i know the argument we control the purse strings, without a veto proof majority then it is for naught

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. And a bunch of Blue Dog Dem "centrists" who are voting with the Repukes.

Who the "leadership" is bending over to pander to.

[leftchick]

24. and where did all of these "blue dogs" come from?

Cultivated personally by Rham Emmanuel and the DLC.

[Virginia Dare]

35. and voted in by their constituents presumably...n/t

[leftchick]

40. presumably

:eyes:

[Ganja Ninja]

20. Wrong.

He can't veto a funding bill if there is no funding bill. They have all the majority they need to prevent any more funds for this war being approved. They are not obligated to send any bill for Iraq war funding.

[Virginia Dare]

23. Yep, we've been through this before...

many people here think that is the answer and many people don't. Obviously the Democratic leadership feels that politically, it's unwise at this juncture. Personally, I think it's a bad strategy, and really wouldn't in the end accomplish what it sets out to do.

[Sir Jeffrey]

27. You are absolutely correct...

The majority party in the Congress, operating through the Speaker of the House, gets to decide what bills make it to the floor for a vote. That is why the Speaker is such a powerful position. Any Democrat in the Congress claiming that they "don't have the votes" is lying to cover their asses. If the Speaker decides to kill a bill in committee, the only way they can get it out of committee and to the floor for a vote is through a discharge petition, and those are rare (not to mention a pain in the ass to finish).

During the last several sessions, Denny Hastert used to rely on the "majority of the majority" rule...in other words, if the Speaker determined that anything less than a simple majority of Republicans supported a particular bill, he just wouldn't call the bill. That is what he did with the Campaign Finance bill a few years back. Hastert refused to call the bill before the House but Shays started the petition and got it to the floor for a vote. Boy it would be nice to have that kind of Speaker on our side. Too bad. In the interest of bi-partisanship, we get sold out time and again to the Republicans.

I think this is an overlooked part of the war funding bill debate. The Speaker held ALL of the power and folded for political reasons, claiming we didn't have the votes. It was a lie.

I understand why they did it, but I disagree with the reasoning. Maybe if this was 2004, but this is 2007 and things are worse. When the overwhelming majority want us out of Iraq within the next 6 months to 1 year, you may win a few moderates/independents for passing another blank check for Bush but you demoralize and alienate your base.

[Virginia Dare]

34. They didn't have the votes to override Bush's veto...

that is NO LIE. Bush said he would veto any timetables. They HAD to take this out of the bill or it wouldn't pass.

The Democrats were not willing to simply not pass a funding bill, that is another issue altogether.

[Sir Jeffrey]

41. My point...

Of course they didn't have the votes to override a veto.

The Dems are lying when they go on TV and say that they do not have the votes to end the war. They have a simple majority in the House RIGHT NOW as well as the Speakership. The Speaker kills the bills in committee while the simple majority keeps the Republicans from getting a discharge petition through. That looks like enough votes to me.

What would be more accurate to say is that they do not have the votes to end this war with bipartisan support. Of course, when Hastert was in charge bipartisanship went out the window.

Some of us don't believe that enough Republicans are going to revolt against Bush in September. That is what the OP is pointing out. What happens when McConnell, Brownback and the rest of the idiots start talking up the successes of the surge? Will we see Republicans revolt, or will we see another bucket of money tossed down the shitter?

[truebrit71]

31. But they will anyway in case the rethuglicans threaten to say bad things about them again...

...bunch of goddamned p*ssies... :grr:

[Breeze54]

15. Better yet? What will WE do???

:shrug:

[Virginia Dare]

22. The usual...

bitch, piss, whine and moan.

[Breeze54]

29. I didn't do that last time.... Jan. 2007 - 10 below zero..

Activists I know.....



The next night....

[William769]

28. I think it's all in the master plan and Democrats in Congress will pounce

on this Administration.

[truebrit71]

30. ROFL!!!

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Ummm... you weren't being serious were you????

[William769]

33. Some of us have to be.

Gloom and doom was never my style.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. They'll threaten to do something in January or March or May or....

And, tell us, again, that they can do nothing.

[Marr]

36. They will go out of their way not to make it an issue.

The Dems are just as excited about the money they can get from raping Iraq as the Republicans are. They're the same. They'll make some grumbling noises and pontificate for the cameras (and for their base), and then they'll close the doors and politely agree with the Republicans that it really would be best to just keep the money machine running.

[kenny blankenship]

39. Defer to the Godlike wisdom of General Petraeus

Any general whose name sounds like he lifted it from an episode of Star Trek or Planet of the Apes must know what he's doing.