Is"Gitmo" Cuba's or the US's?

[underpants]

I am getting confused

First Gitmo was a US military base
Then it was "outside the US" so our laws didn't effect how/what we do to detainees there military rules/laws do

NOW Gitmo is "in Cuba" when Michael Moore dares film it to make a point.

:shrug:

[Beelzebud]

1. Funny how they tried to paint Moore as a castro lover.

When he was at Gitmo with 9/11 rescue workers demanding they get the same health-care al-quaeda gets.. LOL

Moore is a genius.

[AngryAmish]

2. Title is held by the Cuban government

The US holds a leasehold, which is an interest in property but obvious not as good as fee simple.

So, Gitmo is Cuba.

About the lack of jurisdiction? I think that is a seperation of powers thingy that I don't understand.

[Bucky]

13. Interesting. I thought it was like our Gibralter.

You're right. Cuba retains sovereignty of Guantanamo, but signed over permanent leasing rights in 1903 and 1934 (under the second treaty the US agreed to pay Cuba about $4000 year for use of the port and coaling station). Castro lacks the right to renegotiate or cancel the contract.
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[HereSince1628]

3. all of the above.

The US leases it from Cuba.

The Unitary Executive Pro-torture legal staff of the Presinut calls it like they want.

[Hand]

7. Cuba doesn't recognize it, though.

They've been sending back the rent checks for years.

[HereSince1628]

10. My understanding is that Castro keeps the checks but doesn't cash them

Though it's basically the same idea.

[Bucky]

14. He should auction them off on Ebay. He'd make literally *thousands* of dollars!

Thereby making him the richest Cuban citizen.
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[Freddie Stubbs]

18. The do recognize that we are there and have never tried to oust us

I wonder why they have never brought a their case to the World Court?

[BuyingThyme]

4. It's a Nazi concentration camp.

[Bucky]

17. That is so naive

It's an American concentration camp. :salute:

[MethuenProgressive]

5. "Cuba considers the U.S. in Guantánamo to be illegal occupation"

The current Cuban government considers the U.S. presence in Guantánamo to be an illegal occupation of the area, and argues that the Cuban-American Treaty, which established the lease in 1903, now violates article 52 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitmo

[PeaceNikki]

8. The US "occupy"?!? Oh, stop that!!

wow... that's terrifying.

[Bucky]

15. Right! We're not occupiers. The Guantanameros greet us as liberators.

But will they steal our watches?

[atreides1]

6. It belongs to the US until they leave

In February 1903, the United States leased 45 square miles of land and water at Guantanamo Bay for use as a coaling (fueling) station. The treaty was finalized and the document was ratified by both governments and signed in Havana in December of that same year.



A 1934 treaty reaffirming the lease granted Cuba and her trading partners free access through the bay, modified the lease payment from $2,000 in gold coins per year, to the 1934 equivalent value of $4,085 U.S. Treasury dollars, and added a requirement that termination of the lease requires the consent of both the U.S. and Cuba governments, or the abandonment of the base property by the U.S.

[Cleita]

9. It's Cuban territory, however, we have some kind of air tight lease

on it of some sort maybe by some treaty. I'm not sure what. I think it goes back to the Spanish/American war. It could be just that Castro wouldn't dare throw us out without risking an invasion.

[formerrepuke]

11. We pay "rent" to the Cuban government.. about $4,000.00 per year..

which the Cubans (understandably) never accept.

[Bucky]

16. Well, they better realize those uncashed checks are void after 90 days.

[David__77]

12. It's Cuban soil occupied by the US military.

Much like Hong Kong was occupied by the British, but instead of a thriving city, there's a concentration camp.

[Javaman]

19. Well I think moron* is a cuba loving freak anyway, he* continues

paying cuba rent for that area. I think he* should be impeached over that alone.

[Yavin4]

20. If We are Leasing it from Cuba, Then Aren't We Violating the Embargo?

How is that we can lease a military base, but we cannot film there?

Please explain that to me.

[Hand]

21. Whoopsie! nt