about the TB-guy... just asking

[radfringe]

he has a drug resistent strain, and from the media flurry there's concern about it being contagious

so why wasn't the guy put into quarantine when he was first diagnosed? just asking.

[bicentennial_baby]

1. Because the strain wasn't identified until he had already left the country

I think.

[malaise]

2. If that is so

then why was he told he couldn't travel? Was he told that?

[bicentennial_baby]

8. It's unclear...

The CDC says that they told him not to travel, he says that they didn't tell him that. Regardless of what kind of TB you have, you shouldn't be traveling, no. The guy is an ass, imho.

[Totally Committed]

12. No one with ANY form of TB should be travelling.

ALl forms of the disease are contagious, especially in an airplane where people are in close proximity, and share the sdame recycled air for periods of time.

He should NEVER have been allowed to travel, and should have been told that. I'm shocked he wasn't. It just goes to show you how vulnerable we all are when we travel these days.

TC

[liberalnurse]

18. Typically, after 2-weeks of medical compliance, of say

INH/B6 medication, Respiratory Isolation techniques are no longer needed and he would be cleared to travel. A chest x-ray is frequently the only diagnostic tool used to see if the TB subsides. A Sputum Culture is also great along with the chest x-ray but most people do not take the time to give a sputum or don't expectorate up a good, deep sputum specimen....

They will need to stay rigidly compliant with their medication for 6-9 months. This is the traditional TB action plan of operations...... The super-bug is a new ball game!

[radfringe]

3. Speaker said in a newspaper interview that he knew he had TB when he flew

Quarantined TB patient is the son-in-law of a CDC microbiologist
Chicago Sun-Times, IL - 13 minutes ago
Speaker said in a newspaper interview that he knew he had TB when he flew from Atlanta to Europe in mid-May for his wedding and honeymoon

[bicentennial_baby]

6. No, I know that, he knew he had TB, but

He didn't know, nor did the researchers at the time, that it was the multi-drug resistant strain. What I heard is that he was notified in Europe, told to seek immediate medical attention, and refused.

:shrug:

[raccoon]

4. I'm surprised the scaremongering MSM hasn't pointed out

that there may be other unidentified patients like him.

And there may be, but don't let that ruin your weekend. My guess is that most people who have incurable TB don't fly much. From what I've read, most of them are in lower socioeconomic levels.

[bigscott]

5. he was told

he had TB before he left. he found out he had extensively drug resistant TB when he got to Europe and was told NOT to fly home but to turn himself into health authorities. I assume he wanted to get back to the US rather than be treated/quarantined in the Czech Republic - I can understand that - but he should NOT have put others at risk by flying

[EV_Ares]

10. Interesting, where did you get your info this is a lower socio-economic

disease and as such lower socio-economic people do not fly much?

[dave_p]

21. It's long been considered poverty-related

It's commonly associated with poverty: a recent London study found a third of patients surveyed were homeless, while a Liverpool study concluded that "Tuberculosis remains strongly associated with poverty".

There was a major resurgence with the Russian economic collapse if the early 1990s, when the drug-resistant form became common: a London University report cites "poverty, homelessness, migration and shrinking public budgets for health services" as reasons for the disease's spread.

There's also thought to be a link with ageing, though the reasons seem unclear. No doubt others get it too, but it's fair to say that sufferers worldwide will tend to be outside the leisure flight class.

[EV_Ares]

28. This guy was 31, plenty of money, high economic social group and there

was an article in our local paper about how this is no longer a lower socioeconomic group. Thats why was wondering, I know it used to be thought of and was at one time.

[dave_p]

31. Yep, it's interesting

The NIAID still includes poverty among various factors. Even in the Old World it was never entirely confined to the poor, poverty just helped it to spread (and of course as "consumption" it's a popular dramatic device for pallid mistresses of bohemian poets to philosophise in bed). His father-in-law seems convinced he didn't carry it from the lab, so it could have come from anywhere. Just another New Order plague to add to the list.

[EV_Ares]

32. Ya, thats right. Thanks for the info. eom.

[raccoon]

23. THE COMING PLAGUE talked about people who had that who

were homeless and/or drug addicted.

[bunkerbuster1]

29. Nah, don't want to shoot the whole wad o' cash...

The "infected among us" distraction would be next week's BS story.

[Carni]

7. What right winger is he tied to?

Call me a tin foil hatter but I am assuming that he must be related, or tied in some fashion, to a prominent bushist and therefore didn't have to follow the rules.

Of course that doesn't work out too well when a very contagious disease is involved, but the bushists were, as per usual, not bright enough to see the obvious!

[Aviation Pro]

9. Let's not forget he was on a watch list....

...so who let him through or is this just another coincidence of incompetence?

[gatorboy]

20. Which makes me wonder just how many watch/no fly lists do we have?

There's the Terrorist "No Fly List" which many seem to obey to the T (Just ask Ted Kennedy) and then there's this other list which ordered anyone that comes in contact with this man to hold him there until authorities arrive which someone decided not to obey.

Unfortunately, we should probably chalk this up to incompetence. But what is worse is the CDC apparently said that as far as a basic procedure to keep these things from happening, they make it up as they go along. Don't you feel safe now? Even after 9/11 and alllll the Republican cry about how only THEY can keep you safe, they're still not properly prepared for something like this.

Stephen King's "The Stand" is right around the corner, folks.

[Aviation Pro]

11. Oh, and isn't CDC capable of producing....

...weapons grade anthrax? Just asking.

[AngryAmish]

13. About the TB Guy's wife - isn't she smoking hot?

Even with the mask and all.

the pic is on thr front of Drudge right now.

I mean really hot. And soon to be a widow. Hopefully he has loaded up on life insurance.

Did I mention she was hot?

[bicentennial_baby]

14. Um, that's pretty inappropriate...

And who says he's going to die? :wtf:

[AngryAmish]

16. He has a terrible, possibly incurable, disease

Why do you think CDC and DHS has gone so apeshit?

Did you notice his hot wife?

[bicentennial_baby]

17. Possibly incurable yes, but not definitely

And no, I did not...I don't pay much attention to such things. :)

[Psychmd]

24. Her picture looks like it was a screen capture form a porn video

Nurse Bimbo comes to make a visit

[Aviation Pro]

27. I see AA's point...

...what the fuck does Sludge lead with? A picture of the victim with his hot wife. How about leading with a picture of an expert instead, you worthless fuck (Sludge not you AA)?

[AngryAmish]

30. If we can find a hot expert...

but until then, I think we need more pics of the hot wife.

[madrchsod]

15. yup

[Warpy]

19. Well, for one thing, he's a LAWYER

For another, the only place I know that's consistently enforced the TB quarantine laws that are still on the books is Boston, a crowded city with a lot of homeless. One wing of a hospital there was converted into a TB confinement ward when the HIV plus dormitory housing of the homeless caused it to start coming back as a serious problem. Consequently, when I left there 18 years ago, the per capita rate of new infections was the lowest in the country.

Once treatments were developed for TB, it was ASSumed that anyone with a newly diagnosed case would faithfully take his meds and abide by home quarantine. This is especially true for people who are high functioning enough to service the ruling class, i.e. lawyers.

Unfortunately, our health care system is a shambles, too many people can't afford to keep the meds up (which is where resistant TB comes from) or who are so ignorant of what the disease is and how horrible a death it is that they just blow it off, like our friend on the plane did.

Unless we are willing to take the steps necessary to nip this in the bud: universal health care, mandatory confinement while disease is active, close monitoring of compliance with long term antibiotics, we'll be back to the TB prevalence and prognosis of the nineteenth century before we know it.

This country has ignored public health for too many decades. Unless the movers and shakers wake the fuck up and realize that TB bugs can hit them, too, we're in for a very grim future.

[no_hypocrisy]

22. Maybe the TB wasn't positively diagnosed at the time he left the country

and the situation didn't warrant that he cancel his wedding and the trips until they knew for sure.

I'm not an expert whatsoever, but 20 or so years ago, healthcare professionals at nursing homes were coming down with TB due to their work environment. The strain was treatable then, but now, who knows? Maybe the lawyer went to visit an elderly relative in a nursing home and just "picked up" the TB by just being in the facility.

[radfringe]

25. I remember the big buzz on the MSM-spews about TB a few years ago

it surrounded a debate about homeless people being forced to take meds for TB, and whether or not you can force someone to take medication and how would you go about "tracking" those infected with TB... yadda yadda yadda

ennywhoo- according to the MSM-spews he knew he had TB, CDC knew he had TB and yet he was allowed to walk around in public and supposedly he contracted it from somebody else - which means that somebody else is also walking around...

so I'm going to open up a can of worms here and ask - should this guy be quarantined for the remainder of his life, and what about those who he infects and whoever else has been infected? Are we going to see Camp-TBs being built?

meanwhile - how far will MSM-blather heads hype this on Sunday blather shows ?

[antigop]

26. Isn't Halliburton building camps? n/t

[dave_p]

33. Don't panic

Apparently he was ordered into isolation in Itsly, but bolted. Prick. I assume if he'd been considered that infectious, he wouldn't have been given the chance.

The WHO says "there is a very small risk of any infectious disease being transmitted on board aircraft" and "to date, no case of active TB has been identified as a result of exposure on a commercial aircraft", which kind of supports his claim that he thought the danger was small.

He's still a prick.