Why Obama will Lose

[SaveElmer]

Run time: 01:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzgV5QM5fi8   Posted on YouTube: February 24, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 20, 2008 By DU Member: SaveElmer Views on DU: 3240

 
Obama won't be running against Chickenhawk Bush...he will be running against an actual military Hero...

This ad will become very familiar to voters...as will the video of him signaling torture from his North Vietnamese prison cell

Meanwhile, the MSM, having turned on Obama after he secures the nomination...will play film of Tony Rezko walking into Federal Court over and over again...

[wtmusic]

1. So I guess Hillary will lose too.

What's the point? :cry:

[Deep13]

8. It's a bit complicated, but I will try to explain it without sociological jargon:

We're screwed.

[LakeSamish706]

2. I think your wrong... cause the American people have had enough of war, period... n/t

[libertee]

28. They talk the talk..but in Nov. will they walk the walk

[Deep13]

3. That has always been my fear.

At this point, though, I'm not convinced HC will do any better. Frankly, I think we are looking at a McC. presidency regardless.

[griffi94]

32. sad to say

i've come to the same conclusion....hillary can't imo win the nomination....just too many people seem to hate her....but obama will be canon fodder.....it sucks to be this jaded...but for the last 16 years i've seen nothing issues get blown out of all proportion....no real reason to think that's changed....and now i'm forced to watch the democratic party morph into gop lite for the sake of saying we won.....oh well there's always 2012 i guess

[still_one]

4. and they will do the same thing for Clinton also. The truth is THIS

Whether it is Obama or Clinton, the repukes are in MAJOR TROUBLE

mccain represents an extension of the current administration

There is a REASON the Democratic turnout is SOOOOO MUCH greater than the republican

Not only are cross over votes occurring, but people are sick and tired of what we have been put through

Whoever are nominee is, WE WILL WIN

Sorry to disappoint you, but this is much greater than partisan politics, people's personal lives have been screwed up, and they do not want anymore of the republicans

[jgraz]

5. Elmer, please go back to posting bogus polls and stop tearing down our nominee

This is getting pathetic.

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[thereismore]

11. Gesundheit. Now go away please you are being impolite. nt

[jgraz]

15. Klassy to the end, I see

Gotta say, you never disappoint, Elmer.

[wtmusic]

21. Elmer will be without a job soon -- cut him some slack nt

[jgraz]

26. Elmer should have the good sense to sit down and shut up

We all had to sit through months of the chest-thumping polls results, day after day, and we both know that only the most petulant of Obama's supporters were going to remind him of that. All he had to do was show a molecule of class.

But here he comes, posting this pouty bullshit to rip up the presumptive nominee. Sorry, he's gotten all the slack he's gonna get.

[SaveElmer]

27. I have no trouble sinking to your level...nt

[jgraz]

31. Look up, Elmer. We're all way up here.

:hi:

[Deep13]

10. Sure thing, Mr. 80%.

:eyes:

[jgraz]

18. Hey, I've always been 100% against Hillary

Looks like one of us made the right choice...

[Deep13]

20. We'll know in about 18 months which one of us it is. nt

[jgraz]

23. I'm just hoping the Hillary supporters will stop the scorched-earth politics

Are you that invested in being right that you're willing to tear up our almost certain nominee?

[Deep13]

24. Scorched Earth?

If our candidates have weaknesses we had better know now. We don't want buyer's remorse after we pick when we find out something we didn't know before. Kind of like 2004. People jumped on the Kerry bandwagon because JK had military experience. Most people didn't find out about his anti-war protests until after he secured the nomination.

Frankly, all I have heard from the HC campaign is legitimate criticism. The real character assassination is still a few months off.

[jgraz]

30. You really believe that the Clinton machine has somehow overlooked something?

Hillary emptied the arsenal against Obama and got nothing in return. It's time for her -- and her supporters -- to suck it up and get behind the presumptive nominee.

And if you can't do that, at least find a reason that people should VOTE FOR your candidate, as opposed to flinging mud and pushing for anti-democratic shenanigans.

[Deep13]

38. Well she could have said that as a "half-Muslim" named "Hussein" ...

...there is no way he can get elected.

She could have pointed out that he has almost nothing in common with the descendants of slaves who are supporting him.

Don't you accuse me of being undemocratic! I don't work for the HC camapign or anyone else. I didn't pick sides until it was clear we were down to two candidates, neither of which has much of a chance in November. Frankly, the character assasignation of HC on this board by O supporters has precluded me from ever throwing my hat into the O camp. After 3/4, I am taking down the avatar and washing my hands of national politics. I've already done that to some degree. I'm not volunteering like I did in 2004 and I gave only a few hundred bucks, not the thousands I gave in 2004 and 2006. I just don't believe in Obama. His charisma and really short resume rub me the wrong way. And I can't stand his fans.

This thread is about why O supposedly can't win. It has nothing to do with HC except people keep mentioning her. I prefer her because I think she will be a better manager than O. That is what presidents do. I'm sick of this personality cult that included JFK, Reagan and Bush Jr. to some degree and now Obama. The president is just the head manager. He should never be an object of inspiration or adoration. This is a republic and we don't need that kind of a leader. I think HC will end the war without chaos. And frankly, NAFTA is a good thing. I think being pro-illegal immigrant but anti-NAFTA is hypocritical, especially since the few jobs that went to Mexico (as opposed to the flood of them going to China) were leaving anyway. And she is well enough connected (some might say she knows where the bodies are buried) to get her agenda through Congress. Plus she and Bill raised a lot of money for Ohio Dems. in 2006 including my friend, Sherrod Brown. Lastly, HC did not appear on the hate-mongering 700 Club or announce at the 2004 DNC that "our" god is an awesome god. What a load of crap! So that's why of the two empty suits left, I prefer HC.

[jgraz]

49. You forgot to mention his cocaine use, Mr. Penn.

:eyes:

[Deep13]

50. Every Republican 527 that runs this autumn is going to say...

..."Barack Hussein Obama." It will stick to some degree. People will always act on their fears even if it is at the expense of their self-interest. We saw that in 1964, 1972, 1984, and 2004.

[jgraz]

51. Your concern is noted

[YOY]

34. Dead on jgraz.

n/t

[thereismore]

6. The point? Obama is a draft dodger? He was too young to serve, born 1961. nt

[Deep13]

12. This is a positive ad for McC., not a slam on O. nt

[thereismore]

43. I was reacting to Elmer. nt

[jgraz]

16. Coward! He should have signed up when he turned 8!!!

[thereismore]

9. McCain dropped bombs on women and children. Am I too far off? nt

[Deep13]

13. So you don't remember 2004 at all, right?

One reason the right was so annoyed by Kerry was because he essentially said that same thing in the 1970s when protesting the Vietnam War.

[thereismore]

44. I remember, but I reserve the right to have my own opinion. nt

[sellitman]

14. The counter to this is

His vote to allow torture after being tortured himself.

No problemo

[gasperc]

17. Dude, your in foo-foo land

and McCain will charge that a woman shouldn't be in charge of the country during wartime, etc. whoever gets picked the GOP will be ruthless and attack without remorse.

[Deep13]

25. That much is true. nt

[Vilis Veritas]

19. Where you see defeat, I see opportunity.

Obama still has the power to play up the military service and ask Americans if that is what we want. Does America really want a Military Dictatorship? The Bush admin has made it very easy for the President to implement Martial law. Obama should play this up to the hilt if he gets the nod.

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/

Regards...

[aquart]

22. 72 million Dems, 55 million Reps, 42 million Inds.

We need 13 million independent vote and not one Republican. THEY need 30 million independents.

We've had twice their turnout in the primaries and caucuses.

The Democrat will win. If we count the votes.

[calmblueocean]

29. McCain's story of personal sacrifice is powerful. But his time has passed.

I think McCain's story of service and sacrifice is one that transcends party politics. In many ways, I think it's sad that the Republicans nominated him, because he is one of the few Republican Senators with the inner direction to buck the party machine and reach across the aisle. He's a conservative through and through, but one even liberals like Ted Kennedy can work with from time to time.

Having said that, McCain embodies the past. We can honor his service while choosing a new direction for the country. And frankly, I think McCain's war-soaked past just reminds the country of how much we long for peace again, how much we long for the soldiers to come home. In that respect, I think McCain helps this country move beyond war.

[tabatha]

33. Read and digest this article, by a very learned individual:

http://www.juancole.com/2008/02/mccains-holiday-from-history-in.html

[tyne]

47. Thanks for posting that article

I suggest that everyone put that one in their favs for future need.

[RBInMaine]

35. The issues though are about NOW and THE FUTURE.

Yes, an very honorable service veteran. But people are concerned about TODAY and TOMORROW, not yesterday. That is why Obama wil WIN.

[jefferson_dem]

36. Welcome back, SaveElmer.

It's nice to see you posting again...if only for this bit of hit and run defeatism.

[northernsoul]

37. Elmer, I love ya, but I just don't see your point

Why is Obama any more vulnerable to this line of campaigning than Clinton?

I'm just not following your logic here.

[SaveElmer]

39. Well two things...Hillary isn't gonna be the nominee...

And if she was, this is one area where being a woman would be to her advantage...

[AlertLurker]

40. Nah. Stupid Ad. War Hero Status Easily De-Bunked.

Just ask the same questions the freeptards ask:

Why did McCain sell out to the Communists in the Viet Nam war?
Why do fellow POWs say McCain was a coward and a traitor in Viet Nam?
Why was McCain opposed to the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs?
McCain-Feingold?
McCain-Kennedy?
100 Years of Iraq War?
Iran?

Shit - there's just NO END to the fun we're going to have with this guy!

The Conservadroids have done most of the Dems' work for us on this dude already...

[BeyondGeography]

41. Didn't you ask not to be let in here anymore?

If so, this is one sad sayanora, Elmer.

[SaveElmer]

42. I'm tryin my damndest...

I asked nicely, I asked privately, I asked publicly, I ask privately again...and I posted a McCain ad...
I just wanted to go away without any fuss or muss...

The only thing I can think of is that they want to keep their membership numbers inflated...

[babylonsister]

45. No self-control, Elmer? Always someone else's fault? Hmmm.

And FTR, even if you get your wish, the membership numbers don't go down, so that isn't an issue.

Good luck with the TSing. Want me to alert?

And BTW, McCain vs. Obama in a debate? No contest. That's war vs. no war, and I think the American public is just tired of that, plus McCain has lots of enemies. Whatcha gonna do.?

[SaveElmer]

46. Yes please do...nt

[rateyes]

48. Chickenhawk Bush ran against an actual military hero

in 2004. Chickenshit Bush sits in the Oval Office. Suxby "Deferred for bad knees that he jogs on every day" Chambliss ran against Max Cleland and impugned his military record. Chambliss is now the Senior Senator from Georgia.