Crowd Yells Let Him Die

[Tx4obama]

Run time: 01:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepQF7G-It0   Posted on YouTube: September 13, 2011 By YouTube Member: ThinkProgress6 Views on YouTube: 132   Posted on DU: September 13, 2011 By DU Member: Tx4obama Views on DU: 12027

 
The video cuts off before Paul finishes, Ron Paul says something about neighbors and churches footing the bill.

Hopefully there will be a full video clip out soon.

[daggahead]

1. If only WOlf would have turned around and asked ...

What the hell is wrong with you people?

[RKP5637]

5. Yeah, but that would not be the M$M way. n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

74. if he wasn't part of the propaganda machine...

he would have pressed Paul on his response to this outburst. Our media would make Goebbels proud.

[rurallib]

2. I'd like to say unbelievable, but truly it is not

and each one of those shit heads that is screaming 'let him die' would be begging for help if it were them.

[handmade34]

39. maybe not

assholes can be stoic too... but they would be if it were their daughter or son or spouse

[my2sense]

3. OMG - What type of society

have we turned into? Who were they referring to while screaming "Let him die"?

[RKP5637]

4. A hypothetical posed by Blitzer of a patient that needed 6 months of treatment and under

Ron Paul's plan had not gotten insurance, what would be done to help him. Blitzer asked would he be basically left to die, and the audience was cheering for him to just be cast aside to die with no help.

[my2sense]

7. They are some heartless cold bastids.

[DBoon]

14. They are the base of the Republican Party

nt

[Plucketeer]

18. You can damned sure bet

if it were one of their own, they'd be cryin' like a baby for assitance.

[jwirr]

45. Remember the fight for the brain dead woman?

[BR_Parkway]

51. Obviously the man should legally change his name to Fetus at that point

[MisterGamut]

82. Weren't these the people who called euthanizing

Teri Shiavo wrong? Aren't these the people who claimed Obama's healthcare plan included death panels? WTF?

[RKP5637]

86. Yep, all the same. And also so concerned about fetal rights, etc. Yet another WTF moment. n/t

[Dokkie]

19. I think the question is

If someone(lets say ________ rich pretty boy athlete) who can clearly afford health insurance goes about partying and enjoying life ends up having a coma or some type of debilitating illness, do you think the people (poor ones included) should bail him/her out? And for that, I say the govt (poor tax payers included) shouldn't be obligated to bail him out.

This case presented is not one of a poor and struggling individual or child. These are people who can afford it but instead decided to abuse the system intended to help the less fortunate. I hate to say it, but rich people should solve their problems by themselves.

Sorry guys but you have to draw the line somewhere.

[bbgrunt]

43. personal circumstances shouldn't matter when it comes

to medical treatment. Medicare currently covers all regardless of income. If we had a universal system this wouldn't even be a question.

[jwirr]

46. That is exactly why the HCR bill wanted it to be mandatory. So that

this would not happen.

[RockaFowler]

71. Wolf even mentions the cost of the plan

What happens if they can't pay for the $300 a month cost??

That's actually a real problem. I'm at the point where I would rather take that $200 a month I pay for my lousy insurance and use it to pay for the services I need out of pocket. My insurance doesn't save me any money. They just continue to take more an more money from me and give me absolutely no service. I had to get a Walgreen's Prescription plan to help pay for some of my meds. It's wrong. I have insurance - it should cover my prescriptions as well as my doctor visits.

[Enthusiast]

30. "What type of society have we turned into?"

You're about to find out. Because plans are in the works to cut social security and medicare. This will result in the deaths of millions of Americans.

[Honeycombe8]

41. That was only one creep. Creep #2 says "yes!" No one else did. OP subjct misprepresents.

I thought when I saw the subject line that the whole audience was screaming "LET HIM DIE!" Nothing could be further from the truth.

It was only one person (a Joe Wilson type, no doubt), and a second person says "yes" to Blitzer's question, "Should we let him die?"

To his credit, Ron Paul didn't.

[jtown1123]

65. Agreed. This was disappointing. There is no soundbite to take from this unfortunately.

[Atypical Liberal]

57. A desperate one.

In a way, I pity these people.

They are like fish in a slowly draining pond. As the water level goes down, they are panicking. They care less and less about the other fish around them, and are only concerned with keeping enough water for themselves. They don't care what happens to the other fish, and they oblivious to the fact that someone is draining the water out of their pond.

[Hubert Flottz]

66. Introduction To Nazi Euthanasia

The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary defines euthanasia as “the action of inducing a quiet and easy death.” This grant of a “mercy death” may occur with the consent of the individual concerned, is then termed “voluntary” “euthanasia” and was the meaning originally given to the word. However, euthanasia also came to be termed “involuntary”, as for example when a patient is suffering from an incurable and painful disease, or is in a coma and is considered unlikely to regain consciousness. In such circumstances, a third party or parties may determine to put an end to the patient’s suffering.

The circumstances are, in general, that the person involved is no longer capable of making up his or her mind and/or to express his or her ultimate wish. But Nazi ““euthanasia”” was quite different in conception and practice from the dictionary definition, old or new. For it was derived, not from humanitarian or compassionate reasoning, but from pseudo-scientific theory and ruthless economic policy. The Nazis destroyed “life unworthy of life” (lebensunwertes Leben) as they termed it, not as an act of mercy, but as part of a strategy to murder that part of the population least able to defend itself.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/euthan/


"But Nazi ““euthanasia”” was quite different in conception and practice from the dictionary definition, old or new. For it was derived, not from humanitarian or compassionate reasoning, but from pseudo-scientific theory and ruthless economic policy."

[Hubert Flottz]

67. Wolf is paling around with Nazis...

[reformist2]

6. It was a only a few, but it's that Repugs condone such outbursts that makes it chilling.

As a result, they push each other further and further to the right. Today's thugs are tomorrow's mainstream.

[RKP5637]

8. It's becoming a very ugly country, especially if this herd were to seize the WH. n/t

[my2sense]

9. I hope ED runs this tonight

It should run everyday until election day. Perhaps some of the sheeple will come to their senses.......as I imagine many of their loved ones do NOT have adequate insurance. Seems we are already in a third world country. Just damn.

[rsmith6621]

10. How about the uncoverd Ill Trade a Chicken

for healthcare

[xfundy]

11. Bet they'd really love it if

lions were also involved. And chain saws.

[gordianot]

12. If asked my bet most if not all who yelled would identify themselves as Christian or pro-life.

Included among these hypocrites are surely some who who would have protested Shaivo being removed from life support. Guess they have changed their mind (if that is what they use to make decisions).

[DianaForRussFeingold]

13. OMG, Now it's a 'War Against The Weak'

The sick, weak, mentally challenged and deformed were left to die or exterminated...
Because they caused a drain on the economy!

I would ask Ron Paul if he were in favor of Eugenics. I would seriously like to hear his answer! :shrug:

[DBoon]

15. He'd favor it only as a free market solution

if the government exterminated the sick, weak, mentally challenged and deformed it would be fascism

If the private sector lets it happen, it is freedom

[DianaForRussFeingold]

60. Yes, That sounds just like Ron Paul "Word For Word"

If Ron Paul's grandchild or great grandchild needs a lung transplant (due to illness) the insurance co. may not pay...Then what?

I've never in my life been so concerned...My friend keeps saying this is like Germany 1930's.. scares me!

It can't happen here...can it?

:scared:

[Lars77]

16. Fuck CNN for hosting this shit

Some people ask why this isnt on Fox. Well Fox are probably happy now that their lunatic movement are getting more credibility by being on CNN. And CNN are happy to tap into the loonie right wing market.

[nolabear]

21. No, I'm glad they are. People need to see this.

This is what the GOP is pandering to, people who will wish you dead rather than put in place a system where you have a place of last resort in the country you were born in, paid taxes to, and in many cases your family sacrificed lives to keep going.

The TP lives in a fantasy where they are the ubermen and some "other" is trying to take what is rightfully theirs. It needs to be seen.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

85. The problem is CNN will make excuses for this behavior

They are still desperate for the right to ease up on the "Clinton News Network" shit.

[Grassy Knoll]

17. WOW, How embarrassing .........

Too many lions, not enough christians for this fight.

[dash_bannon]

20. So... We're devolving into Rome, then?

Seriously? "Let him die."

That's where we are now as a country?

I hope not.

I hope the majority of Americans get it that if we all pitch in a little bit, we all benefit.

[999998th word]

23. *

[999998th word]

25. *oops, sorry.

[999998th word]

24. Not exactly Rome- a little north. a bit later & rhymes with

'we are fucked if people don't wake the hell up-and soon'.

[Tx4obama]

22. Here's the transcript (without the comments from the crowd)

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/12/se.06.html

Excerpt:

BLITZER: Thank you, Governor. Before I get to Michele Bachmann, I want to just -- you're a physician, Ron Paul, so you're a doctor. You know something about this subject. Let me ask you this hypothetical question.

A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I'm not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I'm healthy, I don't need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it.

Who's going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?

PAUL: Well, in a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.

BLITZER: Well, what do you want?

PAUL: But what he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major medical policy, but not be forced --

BLITZER: But he doesn't have that. He doesn't have it, and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?

PAUL: That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody --

(APPLAUSE)

BLITZER: But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

PAUL: No. I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid, in the early 1960s, when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio, and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospitals.

APPLAUSE)

PAUL: And we've given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourselves. Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea, that's the reason the cost is so high.

The cost is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy. It becomes special interests. It kowtows to the insurance companies and the drug companies, and then on top of that, you have the inflation. The inflation devalues the dollar, we have lack of competition.

PAUL: There's no competition in medicine. Everybody is protected by licensing. And we should actually legalize alternative health care, allow people to practice what they want.

(APPLAUSE)

SNIP

[freedom fighter jh]

35. Thanks for getting Paul's words out there.

But just what is Paul's position?

He seems to be saying "No, don't let him die. The churches used to take care of people who couldn't take care of themselves." Just when you think he's going to say that's a good thing -- because someone helping out people who can't help themselves is consistent with "don't let him die" -- he says people helping people out is THE REASON THE COST IS SO HIGH -- IOW, that's the PROBLEM.

So what does Paul advocate? Letting him die or undermining the free market?

[abelenkpe]

61. Paul is incorrect

"And we've given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourselves. Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea, that's the reason the cost is so high."

My father was an insurance exec. I remember him saying that it was impossible to get individuals to purchase health insurance for themselves or their family mainly because individual plans were so insanely expensive. The larger the group however, the greater the savings which is why getting health insurance through work is less expensive. And why single payer is the only real solution to our spiraling health care costs.

Before HMO's and getting insurance through work even more families were uninsured and going bankrupt from medical costs. My grandparents went bankrupt and my grandfather had to return to work in his late seventies to pay for the hospital bills when my grandmother died. Today more and more employers are not providing health insurance for workers (Walmart) leaving working families to either pay exorbitant prices for coverage that they cannot afford or rely on taxpayer funded programs like medicaid. Republicans don't want to ask businesses like Walmart to provide health insurance, they don't want to provide medicaid or medicare, and they don't support a mandate that would lower costs for everyone. They want to give insurance companies the freedom to screw over individual families, big business the freedom to not offer affordable health insurance, and individuals the freedom to be taken advantage of by businesses eager to put profit before lives.

It is complete bullshit that things were better in the days before medicare or medicaid. If you think it is bad now (and it is) it was worse before.

And does Ron Paul forgo his taxpayer funded health care because he's worried it drives up costs? I'd like to see him at his age go out and purchase an individual plan for himself and his family and then tell me it's something a worker making less than minimum wage (which is a freedom he also advocates giving to businesses) can afford.

[Paka]

75. I beg to differ with you.

I grew up in the 1940's and then later went to work as a Med Tech long before HMOs took over. You carried insurance for hospitalization only. When you went to the doctor, you paid the bill yourself, because especially primary care physicians were not outrageously expensive. As recently as 1990 when I was out of work for a short time and didn't have insurance, I could still go to the doctor because he only charged $20 for an office visit. And that wasn't the co-pay, that was the full pay. I might add, my doctor retired in the early 1990s rather than join an HMO. He said his conscience wouldn't allow him to go that route.

It was a hell of a lot better, but it has nothing to do with medicare or medicaid. It has everything to do with the greed and inhumanity of insurance companies. :banghead:

[abelenkpe]

78. Hmmmm, wasn't meaning to imply that HMO's were good at all

I think they suck. But around the same time insurance companies started pushing group plans to employers (which did increase the amount of families with health insurance) was also the time that HMOs took off. I think you're right it's the insurance companies that need to be cut out of the equation altogether. they don't add anything to the equation. They only take away.

[PatrynXX]

80. it was more the audiences reaction that was sick

not sure I'd fault Paul for that one. Two tea party groups one is more extreme. I'm guess express is more extreme. racist doesn't just apply to blacks. They are severely racist to Hispanics.

but now we know Tea Party is another word for Neo Nazi. which is probably why the KKK dislikes them. KKK group is no Nazi group. Just a racist group.

[jwirr]

48. Mr Paul is forgetting. In the early 60s there were medical programs

already going. We did not call them Medicare or Medicaid but they were there in every state. I think they were call Aide to the Disabled and the state funded them. No neighbors, no churches.

My daughter was born in Iowa in 1958 with severe disabilities. My local doctors referred us to a health care clinic provided by the University of Iowa (a tax funded organization). Once diagnosed she was given an appointment to the UofI hospitals and an ambulance came to pick us up to travel the 300 miles to Iowa City (and back). For 18 years we went to this tax paid clinic every 4 months. Then it went down to every 6 months and finally every year. This is the way states helped the disabled and sick in the 60s. The program was an old state program. Where did Ron Paul practice medicine? This type of program was no doubt in his state as well.

Years later the states asked the federal government to take over these programs and the result was Medicaid. Medicare which covers people regardless of income was also a follow up to that program.

Wake up you ugly bastards in the gop before you are more shameful than the Nazi party.

[Sanity Claws]

56. It notes applause but not what was shouted out

It gives a false impression of what happened

[MilesColtrane]

26. The Grand Old Party

The party of ghouls and vampires

[FarLeftFist]

27. WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE A DOCTOR RUNNING FOR PREZ WANTS TO LET UNINSURED PEOPLE DIE!

WOW!

[Politicalboi]

28. No

It's called FREEDOM! Once you die, you are now free to not pay your bills. Hopefully some family member can pay them. That's when you pass your freedom to others. See it all works out in the end. :sarcasm:

[Enthusiast]

29. This is the opposition.

"Let him die."

[athenasatanjesus]

31. Of course Wolf asks him in a way that makes the hypothetical guy look like he's to blame.

What about the people that simply can't afford it,people that grew up poor,went to an underfunded public school,then got a job where they are given a crap wage because ownership takes virtually all of the profits and sticks their employees with the bare minimum.

[jwirr]

49. Those people are often eligible for Medicaid unless of course if

they make even $1 over the limit.

[In Jest]

32. Behold!

The true face of the Tea Party!

[southmost]

33. wow

they're becoming less and less ashamed to show their true ugly colors

[mwb970]

34. Inhuman animals.

The right-wing extremists are apparently seceding from the human race. Normal people don't act this way. Is it group psychosis? Demonic possession? Are all conservatives mentally ill?

:shrug:

[OnlinePoker]

36. No "the crowd" didn't.

Wolf asked "Should we let them die" and two or three voices (hardly the crowd) yelled "Yah".

[Chimichurri]

38. Like I've always said. The Tea Party and the Republicans are cut from the same cloth. The

difference being the Tea Party verbalize what Republicans believe but dare not say.

You could say the Tea Party are out-of-the-closet, living out and proud and the Republicans live the same lifestyle except they pretend that they don't.

[KurtNYC]

47. We are supposed to be hypnotized by the titles of these videos

(which almost NEVER show what the titles claim they do). So much for the internet being an alternative to the lies and shilling of the MSM.

[nolabear]

64. True. But I didn't hear anything that was inconsistent with that attitude.

Nor have I. The Tea Party seems above all to be a party of suspicion and meanness, in the sense that they believe they are one biscuit away from starvation no matter how well they are doing, and that the only thing standing between them and it is the ability to hoard and to protect your hoard. They don't trust anyone to be there for them and they're damned if they'll be there for another. So I do believe that behind their hands many in that audience thought "He got himself into this; it's not my job to get him out of it." In other words, "Let him die."

[Chimichurri]

37. Alan Grayson got shit for stating this exact same thing when he said the GOP's

health care plan:
Don't Get Sick and If You Do, Die Quickly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco

There's the Tea Party, shouting it loud and clear for all to behold.

[Bob Loblaw]

40. Follow up question...

for all of them to answer. What is your position on assisted suicide?

[GoCubsGo]

42. Jesus, what the hell is wrong with those people?

Sociopathy? Inbreeding? What?

[jwirr]

44. Neighbors are the ones paying taxes for our government programs

and before this bunch of assholes started teaching greed we were all happy to be doing it. As to the churches. My disabled daughter, who is disabled due to polluted farm water, is what we call a high roller. She is very expensive. I am familiar with my churches finances and she would totally wipe them out in less than 2 years. Not to mention that there is one other child that is like my daughter in our church - not as expensive but still a cost. And most of my church members are over 50, heading for health problems of their own. That includes, their budget, and their building fund.

Mr Paul claims to be a doctor - of what? If he does not know about cases like my daughter then he should quit his practice. He is nothing but a quack.

[riverwalker]

50. "he's a republican, but a nice guy"

can ANYONE really, honestly say this anymore, about their neighbor, their brother-in-law, whoever? Really? "A nice guy?" When you gather at Thanksgiving, do you you avoid talk of politics so to not "offend" your republican family members? You mean you don't CONFRONT this shit?
Personally, I don't allow proponents of murder and genocide into my house. I don't care who the hell they are, and I sure as hell won't serve them dinner. And I DO make a point of telling them why.

[Kadie]

52. So.... they are the Death Panels what's her name talked about.

hmmmm

[SpankMe]

53. Compassionate conservatism. n/t

[robbob]

54. What kind of medical insurance can you get

for "200 dollars a month"? I'm from Canada so I don't really know the answer to this question, but I DO know that when I worked in Boston there was a self-employed contractor working with us who was paying about 2,000 a month because he owned property in Cambridge, had a wife and 2 kids and didn't want to lose it all to some unforeseen illness striking.

BTW, here in Canada we look at the health care debate down there and just shake our heads in disbelief.

[rbnyc]

84. If your company is picking up 2/3 of the monthly premium or more...

...some basic crap individual insurance plans are available for around there.

[The Midway Rebel]

55. I get it now.

America is about freedom...to fuck off and die.

[abelenkpe]

58. He has a good job but it doesn't provide health care benefits?

Then it isn't a good job. And why are some employers allowed to not provide health insurance while others are required to do so? If the job doesn't provide health care than the business is putting that responsibility on taxpayers AND workers. Buying an individual plan always costs more than a group plan. That is why workers who don't get health care through work often don't purchase insurance. It is cost prohibitive. So they then are forced to rely on medicaid (taxpayers) and often put off needed health care.

Of course none of that is mentioned.

The applause is absolutely repulsive.

And Ron Paul is still a stupid, bigoted, conspiracy freak. :P

eom.

[SCantiGOP]

63. he means the employee share

My company pays about 2/3 of my monthly family health insurance, but if I didn't agree to pay the roughly $450 a month that comes out of my check I wouldn't be covered.

[abelenkpe]

73. Employers who provide health care

do deduct a certain amount from employees, but get laid off and that amount skyrockets to between 600 a month for a single person and 1,000 for a family. But get hc through work and you are part of a group receiving group rates. Almost no one decides to opt out of those plans except for couples who both work.

But there are lots of jobs that don't provide hc. Part time jobs, domestic workers, nannies, employers with less than 50 employees, big corps that pay low wages like Walmart etc. If your job doesn't provide hc, and many don't...it's usually a low pay situation. You gotta question a system where the working poor, who work all day and don't get hc through work are then expected to pay more for hc than those more fortunate. We need single payer. It is the only way to actually reduce costs. Republicans don't have any plan. they don't want to provide medicare or medicaid, they don't want to force people to buy insurance, the don't want to force doctors or big pharma to accept less money, they don't want to make all businesses provide health insurance, they don't want to pass a jobs bill or require businesses to hire americans, or put up tariffs, or anything. They just suck. They'd rather wax on about theories of free markets and such but their righteousness won't help anyone struggling to get a decent job, wage or health care. The only freedom they seek is the freedom for business to screw people over.

Anyway, I'm sure you know all that. Sorry for the silly rant....

:hide:

[Jim_Shorts]

59. We know these Teavangelists who are yelling "let him die"

We used to call them the "Moral Majority" but there is nothing moral about them.

So let me get this right, the for profit insurance industry can set your monthly rates at any astronomical number they want and if you can't afford it and you get sick, you can just die?

This country needs an enema.

[catbyte]

62. So if I submit my medical bills to the Vatican or my neighber in C2,

they'll pay? WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!

[JJW]

68. Guy works three jobs

None provide a living wage. None offer health insurance. He can't afford heath insurance. So does the Government have a responsibility for providing care, seeing how their policies and dirty deals (like NAFTA) shipped great US jobs overseas?

[fascisthunter]

69. So, is this clip getting any extra exposure in the media?

... if not why not?

[1monster]

70. Two or three hundred dollars a month for major medical? What planet is he living on?

I can't even get 50% coverage with a $3000 deductible and no pharmacy for less than $600 per month.

[DaveJ]

72. I wonder how far this social self flagellation will go

Really??? Are you sure these people aren't planted there by the aristocracy who want to keep us powerless? How can people be so self destructive. This can't be for real.

They already got their way on torture and the destruction of the environment.

Now, if these sadists get their way, and the American people (including their own sons and daughters) will be left to die for not buying health insurance. What then?

They will surely want to prove one is more sadistic than the other.

These are scary times. Totally insane brainwash scumbags without an ounce of morality or integrity, just when I think they can't get any worse, they just keep getting worse. Utterly shameful.

[SoapBox]

76. So will ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NPR, PBS cover this??????

...don't hold your breath.

Chicago Tribune has banned Doonesbury for a week, so why would I think that the likes of Gwen Ifill or Diane Sawyer would cover this?

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/09/13/doonesbury-sarah-palin-just-isnt-comfortable-in-the-presence-of-dark-skinned-people/

[wundermaus]

77. For a rebuttal on "let him Die"...

See this example humanity in action - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x616376

[INdemo]

79. This f*&King people should not be on a stage debating in a

so called campaign they should be in jail...Just where in the hell is a 40 year old going to get a major health insurance policy for 2-$300.00 per month..And second if he is working Blitzer why isn't his employer paying for healthcare..
As far society taking care of people..I am going to do some research but I'll bet Ron Paul got part of education paid for by the government....
Got it....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
A native of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Paul is a graduate of Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine, where he earned his medical degree. Paul served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 until 1968, during the Vietnam War. He worked as an obstetrician and gynecologist during the 1960s and 1970s, delivering more than 4,000 babies, before entering politics during 1976.

Medical students or residents interested in serving their country and receiving substantial funding for their education and training might consider a short- or long-term career in the U.S. military. Major branches of the military — including the Army, Navy and Air Force — offer options ranging from full funding of medical school, graduate education, and even fellowships to well-compensated post-graduate training and loan repayment through service in the reserves.

In exchange, medical students and physicians must serve for two to eight years, depending on the branch of service and the specialty track they choose. When the obligatory service period has passed, physicians may either remain in the military or enter civilian practice.
http://www.nejmjobs.org/career-resources/military-physician-careers.aspx

[DeSwiss]

81. K&R

“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.” — from Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol


- There is nothing new under the sun. The same stupidity year after year after year........

[rbnyc]

83. Because THAT'S the real drain on society...

...all the healthy 30-year-old men with great-paying jobs that decide not to spend $300/month on health insurance. It's not all the people who are out of work and can't afford COBRA and get sick. It's not the people who string together 2,3, or 4 part time jobs and work without benefits and get sick. It's not the family that makes $30,000 a year and decides not to pay $500 a month for health insurance because they need the money for their mortgage/rent and food. (I know - how dare they eat and live inside.) It's all those healthy 30-year-old professionals who gamble on not buying health insurance so they can have more money for vacations and fancy cars that suddenly come down with cancer and expect ME to pick up the tab! Let's not wait to let them die. Let's hunt them down and kill them preemptively.

WTF!!!!!