TYT: Vegan Parents Investigated For Dead Daughter

[alp227]

Run time: 05:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJgxPMUvbYM   Posted on YouTube: March 30, 2011 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 2353   Posted on DU: March 31, 2011 By DU Member: alp227 Views on DU: 2674

 
Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss a vegan couple in France that is under investigation after the death of their 11 month old baby daughter from pneumonia caused by a vitamin deficiency in the mother's breast milk. Were there other factors at play?

[Bold Lib]

1. Wasn't there a TV episode about this topic not too long ago?

[Ken Burch]

2. Well yeah...if by "other factors" you mean the political clout of the French meat industry

They'd love to throw these people in jail in order to demonize anyone who lives a meatless lifestyle.

[diane in sf]

3. Veganism is deliberate malnutrition, not enough good quality fat or protein in it for some people.

Not a good diet for a nursing mother or growing child.

[defendandprotect]

4. Nonsense ... the proteins and fats that you require are the ones you get from vegetables/fruits --

the FAT you don't require is what you get from eating animals!!

As with all other rw propaganda, that which pushes animal-eating is also

highly successful!

[diane in sf]

6. Nonsense yourself. A complete diet is not right wing propaganda--those pointy teeth

in the corners of your mouth--the canines--are there for eating meat. Please show me evidence of a vegan diet in any traditional society.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

7. What pointy teeth?

I'm 57 and my side choppers are worn down. No pointy teeth for me! Really though..there's no way in hell you can compare human teeth to a true carnivores. My teeth are really good for eating fruits and other foods that don't put up a fight. I can't see how my teeth would be any good for tearing flesh from bone...or biting into the neck of another animal to bring it down. Shit, I don't even have claws coming to think of it. Good job I'm a (laco-ovo) vegetarian then.

[AtheistCrusader]

11. But you HAD pointy teeth at one point in your life, yes?

Our teeth point to our species being omnivores. Our teeth are not specialized in favor of either meat, nor plants. We have a mix of 'general purpose' teeth. Our entire digestive system is capable of either task.

[Lorien]

13. Google "raccoon skull" or "Bear skull"; those are TRUE omnivores

our teeth resemble those of common herbivores.

[AtheistCrusader]

14. Um. Raccoons have slightly more pronounced canine teeth, and slightly sharper molars

and otherwise very much resemble the shape and arrangement of human teeth.

This is a 10,000 year old raccoon fossil:



See the resemblance in the differentiation between molars behind the cuspid, and the incisors in front of the cuspid?
Many herbivores lack cuspid/'canine' teeth entirely. See: rabbit.

[AtheistCrusader]

15. Come to think of it.

IfI were to crop down photos of just the lower molars on that raccoon specimen, I would wager most people would have trouble telling the difference between these, and human molars. True herbivore molars look VERY different, and most people would have no trouble seeing the difference at all.

[liberation]

17. "our teeth resemble those of common herbivores."

No, they do not. At all.

Our teeth are actually a hybrid of both, herbivores and carnivores. There is a reason why some of the teeth at the front are referred to as the "canine" and the ones at the back as "molars."

Besides, teeth only tell part of the story. Our digestive system is also a hybrid, it lacks some of the specialization of true carnivores (very acidic stomachs, short intestines), but we also lack true vegetarian digestive tract (our gut does not ferment for extended periods of time to break down starch walls for example). Our system is actually rather unusual in the animal kingdom, which makes sense since we're the apex species. So we evolved to extract nutrients from the most energy efficient source, some of it coming from animal matter other coming from plants. We're a species which has access to tools and thus preprocessing of food/nutrients which other species lack.

[liberation]

18. Dupe

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[defendandprotect]

8. When did you last use them to jump on a boar and ravage it -- ???

You really believe that the "sin" in the Garden of Eden which turned the world

upside down had to do with an APPLE? Think about it!

It was a GARDEN --

The sin was the knowledge of DNA/canabilism -- eating animals -- our brothers and

sisters on the planet. Imagine the bloodletting in the Garden of Eden!

Eve stands even still today holding it -- delivering the message -- APPLE!!

[AtheistCrusader]

10. Not that I believe for a second that the 'Garden of Eden' ever has, or will exist, but

none of what you just said makes any sense. Can you re-phrase?

[TheEuclideanOne]

24. "None of what you said makes sense, Can you re-phrase?"

This is too funny! Definitely a very polite way of saying something that I would have phrased quite differently. :) I am sure that person has heard variations of that quite a bit.

[TheEuclideanOne]

25. "When did I jump on a boar and ravage her?"

I think that was last friday night after way too much tequillas. I swear she did not look like a boar until the next morning.

[defendandprotect]

28. And I certainly believe you did -- !!

Bye

[Charleston Chew]

29. Hindu

"show me evidence of a vegan diet in any traditional society"

India



Next question please.

[ut oh]

19. Eating meat is RW propaganda now???

That is just some ridiculous leap of logic you have going there.

Have you ever heard of the Paleo diet? It's much closer to the diet humans should be eating vs. vegetarianism/veganism as it is a diet primarily based on what one could get pre-agricultural era... and guess what... you can eat meat. It's really grains (glutens), and processed sugars that are very bad for our digestive system. I have several friends now who are on this diet (one of them previously suffering greatly from IBS). My friend who had (note the HAD) IBS no longer has it and he tried vegetarian/vegan diets and they did not help one bit.

Sure too much of any one thing is bad including... wait for it.... ONLY eating fruits/vegetables. Sure *some* people do fine with it, but I've also had some former vegetarian friends who had to return to eating meats because of iron deficiencies, lack of getting enough Omega 3's etc.

[Butch350]

26. OK...then why the deficiency in the childs death then?

[Lorien]

12. Not according to the nutritionist who teaches at Ohio State University

he lives across the street from my mom. He showed her evidence that animal protein consumption is very rough on the body, and over consumption causes most of the more common types of diseases in America. His evidence and research was so compelling that my mom and several of her friends became vegetarians and vegans that day, and have never strayed since. They are very healthy senior citizens.

[diane in sf]

5. The baby was old enough to be eating more than breast milk. Digestive enzymes

for a variety of foods start to be produced about the time the teeth start coming in--around 6 months--the working process of 4 billion years of evolution. No traditional culture practices such a limited diet--even vegetarian societies like Hindus--eat a variety of animal-based food (including the bug parts contaminating their grains which supply necessary B12). I can only conclude the parents are ideological idiots and the baby paid the price.

[defendandprotect]

9. Article is a pack of rw nonsense meant to disparage breast feeding and veganism ....

couldn't be more obvious!

Additionally, processed salt and sugar are major killers in our American diets --

Natural sugars from fruits and vegetables -- and salt from fresh vegetables are what

the human body requires.

[kag]

22. Thank you!

I kept waiting for someone to point out that an 11-MONTH-OLD should be eating more than just breast milk or even formula! If Cenk really has a nine-month-old at home I hope he's feeding him/her some solids by now.

[liberation]

16. Wow, the vegans are going off the deep end on this one

Frankly, I can't think of anything more disrespectful towards mother nature than to assume that they know best and decide to disregard hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution (off a tree of millions of years) that led us to be at the top of the food chain. We're an omnivorous mammal species, deal with it.

In the same sense than a diet rich in animal and processed foods is not healthy, a diet that goes on the opposite end of the spectrum is also not very recommendable. Moderation and common sense, something which these parents obviously were severely lacking.

[JJW]

20. Doubt we're being told the whole story

They obviously did take their child to the doctor or hospital. The child probably got pneumonia at the hospital.

[Charleston Chew]

21. EARTHLINGS

EARTHLINGS is a powerful and informative documentary about society’s treatment of animals, narrated by Joaquin Phoenix with soundtrack by Moby. This multi-award winning film by Nation Earth is a must-see for anyone who cares about animals or wishes to make the world a better place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x546854

[peace13]

23. Did most of you folks even watch the clip?

Cenk and his side kick are more upset that the couple did not take the child to the hospital but instead tried to treat it for bronchitis with cabbage polctis (sp). I didn't see the sick child but I do believe that many of the old techniques work as well as our 'modern' socially acceptable forms of poison..er i mean medication. Anyway you guys might want to watch the clip because you are missing a whole other topic to bludgeon each other about.

[JJW]

27. Now if

Now if these two were cigarette smoking fiends, authorities would say they can't make a connection, that nuclear radiation is safe, herbicides and pesticides are good, and the BP oil spill is not a health concern.

[SpartanDem]

30. Whether it's because of veganism or their loony anti-science beliefs

they need to be jail they're no different than those WI religous nuts who killed their kid by praying instead of taking it to a doctor.