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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:40 AM
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Rachel Maddow- Dean on Daley- give him a chance
 
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Thanks, Dr. Howard, for giving me one less thing to be pissed off at Obama about. I do trust Howard Dean, so I'll give this one a chance, fuck if I want to.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:50 AM
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1. An honest, straight ahead guy wouldn't have lobbied against
reform in the financial sector because it's obvious that they are sucking this country dry.

I don't know why Howard is making the rounds defending this. Maybe he was sent out because he has liberal cred. Whatever. It's Obama's choice.

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 05:16 AM
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4. Dean is a loyal Dem
I guess he will not do anything to undermine a Dem administration, which he so hard worked to get elected, regardless of how quickly he was thrown under the bus by said administration. Whether that is a good or a bad thing, I don't know.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:23 AM
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9. Throw the peasants a crumb
I did not leave my party, my party left me.

If Obama moves toward the middle, he will anger his neocon friends.
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kaffy4x4 Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:04 AM
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2. I trust Howard Dean
and voted for him in the primaries. He would have made a very good president back then and personally even today. Having said that, if he says give the guy a chance, then I'm willing to give him a chance.
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 03:35 AM
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3. Dean's wrong on this one
I appreciate what hes saying, but we dont have 6 months to "give this guy a chance". I have a crazy idea why doesn't Obama just pick a liberal so we dont have to deal with this, will he or wont he be good question, why cant he just pick someone we know will be good? Why are we always told to just give people chances when their record shows exactly where they stand on the issues and its no mystery what kind of advice they will give? Its not like in 6 months Bill Daley is going to have a change of heart and become a super lib, hes gonna be the same person in 6 months that he was last year, hes not gonna experience some huge personal transformation.
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Kall Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 05:40 AM
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5. I love Howard Dean. But he's dead wrong.
Who cares if the Bill Daleys of this administration will "look you in the eye" and "tell you where they stand" while they're moving full steam ahead to doing the wrong things as pertains to actual policy implementation. Some effect Bill Daley's supposed straightforwardness had on mitigating the destructive effects of NAFTA as jobs fled the country because Bill Daley looked people in the eye as he was championing it.

Moreover, apparently Bill Daley is as dumb as a stump because he thinks (or at least says; he's probably smart enough not to actually think it) that the health care plan that his boss openly states was modeled after Mitt Romney and Bob Dole's Republican health care plans was the wrong thing to do because it was "left" instead of being "center-left" - not that it was wrong because it didn't address the root problem of for-profit health insurance and simply extended corporate welfare for the parasitic private health insurance industry without any government-controlled alternative, like all other developed contries have which all have drastically lower health care costs.

There are objective, provable truths backed up by evidence in the world. They do not go away, nor does the need to address them, simply because the sensible centrist bipartisan political concensus in Washington, subscribed to by Barack Obama, Robert Gibbs, Peter Orszag, Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, Bill Daley, David Axelrod, etc. etc. prefer not to acknowledge them so as not to cause a fuss. And they do not go away because you fucked up for 2 years when your job was easier. And they do not go away because the new crew is being more polite to the people who they ignore, who support addressing these objective, provable truths that exist. And they do not go away because you prefer to sit safely in an isolation chamber in the White House for 2 years while Senators that you have the power to influence as President take the opportunity to gut the stimulus, health care, or financial reform bills of substance that would actually address the objective truths.

It's been 2 years of watching the Rahm Emanuels, Tim Geithners, Robert Rubins, and Larry Summers of this administration do exactly what liberals were both saying and expecting them to do, with predictably (and predicted) disastrous policy and political results. Some people were saying "give them a chance" when the President "tapped" them too despite the voluminous evidence of their track records and tendencies, and the objective and provable bankruptcy of the policies they were proposing. Whether people "gave" them a chance or not (doesn't the President give them a chance? Seems the hiring manager is the guy that gives new hires a chance, not the customers who have no say in the matter) they had a chance and did fuck all with it. They told their customers (figuratively and in some cases literally - see Rahm) to fuck off. But Bill Daley, fresh off his stint on Wall Street, is going to break the trend?

Or maybe the thought among the White House geniuses is that the Chamber of Commerce and Republicans, who by the way applaud Bill Daley's selection, will go to bat for Obama in 2012 and reciprocate his legislative olive branches for doing the things they like. I'd suggest the universal opposition of the past two years followed by the election results a couple months ago demonstrates that such a strategy is stupid on both a policy and political level, but then I'm not a highly paid six-figure Democratic political consultant who is far wiser than me and discounts such evidence. So far this crew's political strategy has been as successful as their policy strategy though (which is to say, ridiculous) so they may want to consider trying something else one of these days. It wouldn't deliver them such pitifully awful policy results (which matter to me) or political results (which matter to them, but would matter to me if they weren't targeting Social Security, entrenching the bloodsucking private health insurance industry as the basis of the system, and tripling troops in an unwinnable war in Afghanistan - not even Bush did that shit.) The definition of insanity and all that.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:16 AM
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11. Thank you Kall, and Welcome to DU ! ! !
Good points and a great analysis of the administration that came on the promises of Hope + Change but delivered neither (unless you're a big banker, a hedge fund manager, or one of the other corporate crooks, then the Pres. gave you the world).
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:16 AM
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6. I like Dean. But no more Mulligans or gimmies...
This administration has used them up. The fact that Obama continually keeps going back to the same damn well and pool of people every time and continues to stock his administration with bankster wall street types with fairly substantial ties and histories to the very people that have put our country in this wretched situation shows me more than anything where his loyalties lie. There's no question about it any more.
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:24 AM
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7. Love Howard Dean. He's one who's opinion I trust.
He's a straight shooter, reasonable, and a great progressive. I don't think we should automatically demonize someone simply becomes he/she comes from the business community. Fact is, Obama has gotten lots done in 2 years. In politics, just as in life, we don't always get everything we want. However, what I'd like to see from the President, his staff, and Dems in Washington is better messaging. For God sakes, stop allowing the Repukes to run with this idea that govt is bad!!
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 05:08 PM
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15. You're misinterpreting why people dont like Bill Daley
No one saying that we dont like the guy just because he's a part of the business community that would be absurd and irrational, we dont like him because of the many beliefs that he has expressed that are conservative. The guy is on the wrong side of issue after issue and will be pulling Obama in the wrong direction much like Rahm Emmanuel.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:31 AM
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8. dean is full of shit.
progressives have to win, not get respect from daley.

obama MUST take a "sharp left turn", but he won't, obviously.

dean is providing cover for a suck ass corporatist president and that is his job.

from the responses i see here on du he's not doing well at selling that position and that is an EXCELLENT thing.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:05 AM
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10. We've been pulled so damned far to the right that a slight lean to the left will seem like a "sharp
left turn"!

Everything Dean said about Daley may very well be true, but Daley's very essence is Wall Street and the Chicago Board of Trade. It is the culture he has been immersed in most of his adult life. If course it will have a huge influence on his decision-making and advice giving -- it is all he knows the basis of his "truths".
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:25 AM
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17. i hate to pick nits with you, but the gist of what dean really said about daley...
...is that he is going to act conservatively no matter what the arguments are (of course we are really speaking about obama here). and that's ok with dean as long as he looks you in the eye and you feel like you were "heard" after the meeting.

dean is not on our side. he's a show horse to convince the politically naive that the left has something to gain in supporting the democratic party. he is essentially the last hope that the left can be hooked to the democrats. this story is as much about dean as it is about daley. we need to expose dean.

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 12:48 AM
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18. I wasn't taking issue with your take on Dean. Just making the statement of how
any movement left will seem like a "sharp turn" since the "center" has again moved further to the right.

Heck, when Dean first came out I considered him a bit too right of center for my taste. Yet today he's labeled a progressive.

Seems what is now center is as far left as the country is going to be allowed to lean. Anything to the left of center has been labeled as extreme socialism.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:32 AM
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19. i agree with you on where the "center" is, or where the media puts it.....
....but my point was that that is EXACTLY what dean is there for and therefore we need to be very clear with everyone just where we stand on dean.

he represents defense of the right from the pseudo-left. that makes him one of the most dangerous people out there and we must divest him of his political camouflage.

to me, the key point of the article was about dean, not about daley. most people won't see that. i just wanted to be clear and point to a direction of action.

The more we get people to see this, the more progress we can make.
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:17 AM
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12. No more chances
How many times do these supposed experts, who make a fortune on the revolving door of corruption, get things dead wrong before we say no more chances for you! In olden days, these criminals would either be in jail, tried for treason, or tar, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. This guy is Mr. NAFTA. As Hillary said in Ohio, "Shame on you, Barack Obama".
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:31 AM
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13. Notice how
Notice how we're always asked to give things a chance to work, that are obviously only going to benefit the rich. While anything that might help the working class is always impossible to even discuss (public option).

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:13 PM
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14. Yep. And they send Howard out to do their dirty work. n/t
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RavensTown Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:49 PM
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16. I trust Dean...but he's wrong on this as are the rest of the Progressives in Congress
going along with this bad appointment.
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