Attack Ads, Circa 1800

[BrentWil]

Run time: 01:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_zTN4BXvYI   Posted on YouTube: October 29, 2010 By YouTube Member: ReasonTV Views on YouTube: 312   Posted on DU: October 29, 2010 By DU Member: BrentWil Views on DU: 1771

 
Okay, this is pretty funny. But it makes a decent point. Things aren't that different today.

[Poll_Blind]

1. Did that last quote say "You hatchet-faced nutmeg dealer"? Oh lordy!

That's fucking awesome, LOL!

:rofl:

Seriously, I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean...but it sounds awesome.

PB

[Poll_Blind]

4. Ok, apparently long-ago a "nutmeg dealer" meant (make your guess NOW) a...

...a seller of aphrodisiacs!

I would riff on that but I'm too stunned.

PB

[BrentWil]

6. Don't really expect that coming from Douglas on Lincoln

People don't change. They always bitch alot and even bitch about people that are allies.

[DefenseLawyer]

2. Ma! Ma! Where's my pa?

Gone to the White House! Ha Ha Ha!

[BrentWil]

8. Whats funny about that is that..

The last part of that is actually Cleveland's supporters rubbing it in that they won.

[MineralMan]

3. Ah, history. What we don't know about it could fill a library.

Thanks for posting this.

[BrentWil]

24. Very Funny

[bbinacan]

5. Wow. n/t

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

7. Seriously? HISTORY BOOK?!!!

Go back the last 50 years and show me ONE history book used in any public schools that had a chapter on NEGATIVE political campaign strategies.

Sure there are Historians who have doone independent research and may have written an obsure book on the subject in some manner, but it has never been made 'official reading' by any curriculum.

So before 'attacking' anyone's statements about how bad this election cycle seems, at least take the time to get your own point right.

[BrentWil]

9. I took "History Book" to simply mean to know your history

I knew that the election of 1800 was brutal before I saw this. I think that is the point.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

13. Of course it was brutal...

.. but then again in 1800 1) who could read 2) who could actually vote 3)how many STATES were there and 4)how 'in tune' was the general public to these attacks?

1800 can't compare to 2010 in the amount of information directed at the entire population in a multimedia onslaught.

So this year STILL tops 1800. End of Story.

[BrentWil]

15. Point taken...

At least to a point. The measurement one uses is important. For example, if you use the general population as a measure, you may be right. If you use the voter as a measure, I think 1800 has you beat.

And the voter was actually very in tune with the attacks. Churches in the North would preach hell and brimstone about Jefferson, for example. These were Campaign themes that you would have heard, if you were a voter (White and owned land)

[DefenseLawyer]

10. There are actually books other than those one sees in school.

Books on all kinds of subjects. Even history. Most places even have a building where you can borrow them for free.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

12. So, because I have not read/studied each and every 'subject'

... contained in a Public Libary / Amazon.com / Borders / Weblogs, etc....

... and I make an innocent comment about a perception on what is going on today....

I am fodder to any and all others who then 1) are experts in that field or 2) make the effort then go FIND a book to refute an opinion based on a random fact that someone else researched.. but the intent is directly to make me look uninformed?

[BrentWil]

14. Well....

Well, if one makes the comment that the current election cycle is the "worst in history" in terms of negative attacks, they are factually incorrect. That would indicate that they are uninformed, at least in terms of political history.

Everyone is uninformed in something. I can not tell you how a car works, for example. I think the point of the video is that we have many national leaders and commentators telling us that things are very different today, when in fact politics has always been dirty. In many ways, we are in an era of clean and well run elections, actually. THis isn't an attack on anyone. It is providing some historical perspective to the current debate with a humorous video.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

16. I still say 'worst in history'.. there IS no comparison just because 1800 was nasty...

At every commercial break on TV, in every FOX Newscast, every Yahoo AP headline...... I SEE THE NEGATIVE ATTACKS.

So whereas in 1800 white men said mean things to other white men and only only white landowners could vote in a country less populated and less educated that had no mass communication.................

1800 can't even compare. NADA. NUNCA!

[BrentWil]

17. The brutal message...

was put out by the technology of the time to voters. The message was known. YOur argument is based only on the advance of technology, which I see as non relevant to how dirty a Campaign was.

Adams and Jefferson would both say anything and everything to win. They spread rumors and did whatever they could.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

18. Two presidential compaigns... 1800

... but what about the rest of races going on? Did the general populace hear what was being said in Delaware even tho they lived in Georgia?

Did money pour out of New York to Virginia to unseat a House representative and was reported but ignored by those in Virginia?

Sorry, technology and the amount of lies spread quickly and effectively to MILLIONS of people as opposed to lies and slanted arguments to people 1) who had no say and/or 2) had no way of even getting the information..... STILL makes a bigger and much larger impact.

[BrentWil]

20. Actually, the lies were alot worse when there was less technology

It was very regional based, and one could get enough lies out about the other person that voters actually believed it. Easy access to information from both sides is a good thing, not a bad one.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

19. And i'm just discussing... not saying you are wrong...

.. just that we have a friendly different perspective.

I don't need to get the last word! :)

Stay welL!

[sasquuatch55]

22. Brought to you by the same people that manipulate you through corporate advertising!

Mind control.....it works! Turn off the Boobtube.

[BrentWil]

26. ummmm..

What are you talking about? Youtube did not create this video.

[Rhiannon12866]

11. K&R. Yikes! Good thing these guys didn't have the MSM and the internets...

:scared:

[BrentWil]

25. THey would of used whatever technology they could

People don't change.

[RoccoR5955]

21. Do you really expect those on the Fox Propaganda Channel

to actually crack open a history book to check their facts?
Give me a break.
It's interesting though.

[BrentWil]

23. Well, I don't expect many people to

We all say things without really thinking about it in respect to history. For example, the current economic downturn.