Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

[kpete]

Run time: 01:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo   Posted on YouTube: May 31, 2010 By YouTube Member: idfnadesk Views on YouTube: 309   Posted on DU: May 31, 2010 By DU Member: kpete Views on DU: 2919

 

[OregonBlue]

1. So? The Israeli commandos had no business being on the boat in the first place.

[subsuelo]

33. Not to mention the video seems faked. n/t

[Dave From Canada]

57. LOL. Of course its fake, just like nobody ever landed on the moon either! n/t

[Recursion]

2. I still say that looks like daylight, not night vision. NT

[subsuelo]

32. so what are you trying to say? NT

[Devil_Fish]

54. It's not night vision, it's FLIR. (Google it)

[mike_c]

3. that is the appropriate response to piracy and kidnapping in international waters....

Too bad the activists didn't have RPGs to bring those helicopters down. I'll bet the next aid convoy will be better prepared for the apartheid forces. Hopefully with a Turkish naval escort using something more sophisticated than sticks and plastic deck furniture to defend itself against attack and piracy.

[DJ13]

4. If my ship was being borded I would beat on them too

[Lars77]

5. Al Jazeera on board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-l_JltCB4

Seems like some were shot before the soldiers boarded?

[sabrina 1]

52. Yes, that those show people wounded and the reporters

say that at least one, maybe two dead, before the commandos landed. The report was cut off after the commandos took control of the ship. They also show shots being fired from the Israeli boats. The night this happened, there was little doubt about what happened as it was being reported as it was happening. Once the Israelis took control and cut off communications, they released their one minute tape and changed the story. And our media, rather than show both tapes, shows only the Israeli version.

The Israelis also confiscated all film and computers etc. so, no doubt, the evidence has been destroyed. However, this tape still exists and so do many of the people who were on it.

People were tweeting from the ship also:

http://twitter.com/freegazaorg/status/15090503156

[mike_c]

6. what kind of propagandistic horse-hockey is this, anyway...?

It strikes me as pretty telling that this video is being used to justify the cold blooded murder of at least ten peace activists, probably more. The actions of the activists are being pointed out for criticism-- here they defend themselves against Israeli commandos with sticks, here with plastic deck furniture, there by pushing a boarder back overboard. Nowhere does this propaganda piece question the legitimacy of the primary actions that led to these events-- aggressive commando attack against a civilian flotilla of aid ships in international waters. Instead of criticizing the aggressors and murderers, the video highlights the supposedly improper actions of the victims who defended themselves. It's classic propaganda and misdirection. This is a shameful attempt to blame the victims of state terrorism, something that Israel is exceeding accomplished at doing.

[OregonBlue]

7. +1 well stated.

[Poll_Blind]

16. +1 Indeed.

:thumbsup:

PB

[subject]

17. I agree

indeed

[truth2power]

24. I agree! Exactly as you said. n/t

[sasquuatch55]

29. Absolutely!

nt

[regnaD kciN]

26. +1, also...

This is a shameful attempt to blame the victims of state terrorism, something that Israel is exceeding accomplished at doing.

It's not just Israel. Remember the bad old days of the 1980s, when the Reagan and Bush I administrations were funneling aid to the Nicaraguan contras? After the atrocities committed by the contras became too numerous to ignore, the White House changed tack, and asserted that it was the Sandanistas committing the atrocities while dressed in contra uniforms.

:eyes:

Besides, as I pointed out before, shipboard videos clearly show IDF commandos swinging what look like metal pipes at activists, so taking a long-distance shot and asserting that it shows activists hitting commandos with metal pipes is disingenuous at best -- it could just as easily be commandos hitting activists with them.

[Catherina]

46. Agreed. +1 n/t

[Dave From Canada]

56. The truth is never propaganda. However the lies about cold blooded murder certainly are.

Israel has every right to inspect those boats. Since Hamas is a sworn enemy of Israel, and the only way they can arm is through supply boats.

Hamas = state terrorism.

[Corrupted Edge]

8. The soldiers didn't need to be there...

The activists weren't violent, or at least didn't have violent intentions. That much should be obvious from their lack of firearms, and yet they still decided to board. An action responsible for at least ten of their deaths. Even if this is used as propaganda, they can't expect people not to call bullshit...

[Wizard777]

9. It kinda reminds me of Flight 93.

Sometimes you just don't comply with the demands of Hijackers.

:patriot:

[Dennis Donovan]

10. "...thowing off the boat?" They threw him onto a lower deck...

IDF... ahem, epic fail.:thumbsdown:

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. +1

[ShamelessHussy]

11. Self Defense Against Pirates on the High Seas

I don't think Israel has a legit leg to stand on in this case.

[Swagman]

13. how can you tell who are soldiers/pirates and crew persons?

[regnaD kciN]

27. You can't...

...but that won't matter to the "Israel is always right, and Palestinians (and their supporters) are always eeeeeeeevil" crowd. :puke:

[niceypoo]

14. They shoot their way onto a boat then cry foul when the occupants resist?

Nothing like double standards.

[SILVER__FOX52]

15. What a bunch of Israeli

BULLSHIT !!

[sabrina 1]

18. The title of the video is wrong. It is footage of humanitarian

activists trying to defend themselves from an illegal attack by armed and dangerous commandos.

The end result was proof of who were the aggressors, sadly and tragically, as all the dead were peace activists.

[cascadiance]

58. Make that defending themselves against armed and dangerous SEA PIRATES!

That was what Israel was doing on international waters! PIRACY! And to give more emphasis to what another poster said, this propaganda is:

BULLSHIT!

Can you imagine what we would have said about Somali pirates doing the same thing to one of our vessels trying to take aid in to Somalia in international waters, killing Americans with weapons and then accusing Americans of instigating conflict with deck chairs and clubs?

[Scurrilous]

19. I think we can all agree that the IDF commandos were the real victims here.

Israel Navy commandos: Gaza flotilla activists tried to lynch us

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-navy-commandos-gaza-flotilla-activists-tried-to-lynch-us-1.293089

They had "..no choice but to shoot."

:scared:

[civilisation]

20. Did the attacking Israel forces shoot and kill from the air?

The response of attacking with sticks could be very justified if that is the case.

[1monster]

23. They "confiscated two pistols" from the fotilla! My, my! Of course the IDF had no

recourse but to open fire. What else could the poor commandos do? :sarcasm: The "pro Palestinian" flotilla members were removing the commandos' helmets!

[The Crazy Canadian]

21. Where is the Israeli footage of them gunning people down?

They don't what to release that footage, that won't look so good.

[soulcore]

22. More weak sauce justification for continued Israeli war crimes.

I hope they all reap the ironic fate they are sowing.

*edit for spelling

[regnaD kciN]

25. Since other videos have shown Israeli commandos swinging metal pipes...

...taking a long-distance shot of some indistinguishable people swinging metal pipes at other indistinguishable people, then asserting that it was the activists attacking Israeli commandos, is pretty disingenuous.

[Capitalocracy]

28. I have no sympathy. What did they expect? As Glenn Beck might say...

GET OFF MY BOAT!

[Naked_Ape]

30. makes me ill to watch.

I'm done with Isreal. F 'em.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

31. This reminds me of the way Chinese officials were justifying Tiananmen Square in 1990

The main English-language bookstore had a pamphlet showing pictures of demonstrators beating PLA soldiers.

"Yes," said one member of our group sarcastically."How dare those students fight back when they're being shot at?"

If the IDF guys don't want to be attacked, they should stop intercepting vessels in international waters.

[proteus_lives]

34. As usual most of DU doesn't give a shit about violence against Israelis.

They never care about Hamas/Hezbollah/IJ attacks. so why would they care when Israeli soldiers are attacked when they can never muster any sympathy for Israeli civilians.

[MrModerate]

36. Violence against Israelis is an asymmetric response to a national policy of intimidation . . .

Land grabs, assassination, oppression, and racism.

Friends of Israel might suggest that a regime change is in order. Israelis not afflicted by the blinders of their government might recognize it as suicidal to continue the present policies.

The murderous Israeli government has been sowing the wind for 75 years. A nice crop of whirlwind is ripening.

[proteus_lives]

37. Bullshit of course.

Violence against Israel started before they ever made a aggressive move.

Remember '48? When the entire Arab world declared war against Israel and lost? How was that for a policy of intimidation.

Educate yourself.

[MrModerate]

39. You mean violence against the people who stole their land and brutalized its inhabitants?

Shocking that they should defend their property and their lives.

Check out the real world, boyo.

[proteus_lives]

40. The real world? You don't live there, bucky me lad.

You'd actually talking about the Partition where the Palestinians got the most land and resources but the Arab world decided to declare war anyways?

Shocking that Israelis wouldn't allow themselves to be wiped out. Perhaps they had learned a lesson about the in the recent years. Hmmm.

[MrModerate]

41. They learned a lesson all right -- unfortunately the wrong one.

They seem to have emerged from the holocaust believing that justice based on ethnic background or religion was a moral way of making policy.

Oh, and another way to look at "partition" is to call it what it was: "dismemberment."

[proteus_lives]

42. What a shocker you would see it that way.

Not.

Doesn't change the fact that the Arab states launched a war of extermination and failed. Doesn't change the fact that the Israelis were willing to live in peace.

And the Palestinians have been the cannon-fodder of the same Arab states ever since.

[MrModerate]

43. Willing to live in peace? The peace of the grave?

As in "We steal your land and kill your people, but if you just shut the fuck up, maybe we won't wipe you out entirely."

There's plenty of guilt to go around. But the situation is not symmetrical. Israel has an army unmatched in the region, lots of money (much of it American), and nuclear weapons. The Palestinians have C4 and home-made rockets.

Do you really believe that, had Israel moderated its murderous fury at key points in its 75-year history, it would still be facing an Arab world calling for its annihilation?

But no, the Israeli government has treated its Arab neighbors as subhumans, inconvenient human refuse in the way of them claiming more and more territory.

Ultimately, whitewashed and one-sided support of Israel is profoundly illiberal. Regressive. And exposes America to the wrath of people wronged by Israel.

[proteus_lives]

44. More nonsense.

" "We steal your land and kill your people, but if you just shut the fuck up, maybe we won't wipe you out entirely."

It was actually, "We're going to live next to you, please stop trying to kill us. Oh, you won't? Ok, it's time to fight."

"had Israel moderated its murderous fury at key points in its 75-year history"

It's funny that you say that when the Palestinians and Arabs start practically all the conflicts.

"But no, the Israeli government has treated its Arab neighbors as subhumans, inconvenient human refuse in the way of them claiming more and more territory."

That's actually the Arab states who treat the Palestinians like scum and fodder. Jordan is the worst of the lot.

"Ultimately, whitewashed and one-sided support of Israel is profoundly illiberal. Regressive"

Ultimately, whitewashed and one-sided support of the Palestinians is profoundly illiberal. Regressive.

"And exposes America to the wrath of people wronged by Israel."

Oh, is it tinfoil-hat time?

[MrModerate]

45. Your wishing history away doesn't have much practical effect.

Bottom line, Israel is loathed by its neighbors because it behaves loathsomely. As 75 years of history demonstrates over and over and over again. This week's clubfooted slaughter is just the latest example, and a rather low-body-count one at that.

Regardless of the uses to which Arab nations in the region put the Palestinians, the single most important cause of Palestinian degradation is Israeli action. A less murderous policy would have allowed peacemaking decades ago. Instead, the Israelis meet tin rockets with helicopter gunships and suicide bombers with wholesale invasion of the slums they've crammed their neighbors into.

How foolish is it to continually rip a scab off a wound so it never heals?

And if you think that America's unwavering and unwise support of Israel hasn't engendered black hatred for the US among Islamic peoples around the world, then -- to be charitable -- you haven't been paying attention.

[proteus_lives]

47. Your fanfic version of history isn't blowing up my skirt either.

You're delusional if you think the Israel's neighbors loathed because they defeated them in a war of aggression that they started.

Same blah you always spew, minimizing and ignoring Palestinian violence to make Israel look worse.

Make sure you wrap that tinfoil tight or Israel will get you. :rofl:

[MrModerate]

48. I think you're going to find the job of Israeli apologist growing more difficult over time.

But go ahead. Knock yourself out.

[proteus_lives]

49. And you can't defend the fact you ignore the Palestinian violence and responsibility.

Unsurprising.

[MrModerate]

50. You don't read very closely, do you?

I think that explains a lot.

[proteus_lives]

53. Insults, blah, blah.

Just another day for a blind man.

[ShamelessHussy]

55. As usual most American's don't give a shit about violence against Pirates.

Duh

[MrModerate]

35. Looks like they're defending themselves from pirates trying to board their vessel.

And last time an American crew stood up to pirates they got a visit to the White House. Hypocrisy much?

[BootinUp]

38. Did you see all the people taking cover

from gunfire on that boat?

me neither.

[Tripmann]

51. Of course not

Israel have benn very careful to release a tiny bit of footage that cooberates their story.

Wheres all the footage the reporters took? SURELY it would back up isreals story?? After all theres no special effect editing suite on the flotilla.

Release ALL footage and let people decide.