Countdown: O'Donnell DESTROYS Liz Cheney Over Dover AFB Criticism

[Hissyspit]

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MSNBC Countdown w/ Lawrence O'Donnell - 30 Oct. 2009: Interview w/ RIchard Wolffe.

O'DONNELL: "When President Obama honored our Afghanistan war dead by taking part in a military ritual at Dover Air Force Base yesterday, it was easily predictable that a Republican would criticize him for it. And in our fourth story on the Countdown, the former Vice President's pet attack dog, his daughter Liz Cheney, has now done just that. And once again, she wasn't going to let the facts get in the way.

On the John Gibson radio show yesterday, Ms. Cheney was rehashing her father's fact-free critique of President Obama's war in Afghanistan, then Mr. Gibson asked her about the President's appearance at Dover Air Force Base."

LIZ CHENEY (RADIO AUDIO): "I don't know why he went to Dover. I mean, I think that clearly it is very important for a commander-in-chief, whenever he can in whatever way it possible, to pay tribute to our fallen soldiers, our fallen military folks. But, I think, you know, what President Bush used to do was to it without the cameras, and I don't understand sort of showing up with the White House Press Pool with photographers and asking the family if you can take pictures. I just... that's really hard for me to get my head around. I think it's an honorable and important thing for us to pay tribute. There's no greater sacrifice people make to the nation. But, it was a surprising way for the President to choose to do it."

O'DONNELL: "As we mentioned yesterday, President Bush NEVER went to Dover Air Force Base to honor dead American soldiers on their final journey. And Vice President Cheney... never did either.

Hey, Liz. Have you ever lost a relative in battle? I have. My cousin Johnny, West Point graduate like his father before him. I wish the President or the Vice President had met his casket on the way home.

You know what 'never' means, Liz? It means ZERO. It means that in over seven years of two wars, your dad never left the comfort of his White House office or the Vice President's mansion and got himself up to Dover to bear witness to how his warmongering fell on families of dead American soldiers. Never, not once.

Liz, don't let your dad do this to you. Don't let him parade you onto the stage to defend the indefensible. Let him suffer the full weight of the shame that we know he must feel when he watches Barack Obama do what he never had the decency to do.

President Bush DID meet with grieving military families in private, and he went to military hospitals to visit the wounded. As for Ms. Cheney's reference to cameras, the policy of banning media coverage of coffins continued unaltered throughout the Bush administration. Thus, even families that WANTED media coverage of their loved one's ceremony were not given any choice in the matter.

Futhermore, President Obama did NOT make any special requests to any of yesterday's eighteen families as Ms. Cheney implies, I mean LIES. The vast majority of those families had already made their individual decisions about media coverage under the current policy BEFORE the notification that President Obama would be part of the ceremony.

As for Dick Cheney, when he was Vice President, he sometimes met with the war wounded, but like President Bush, he never went to Dover, either. Never.

And a reminder, Mr. Cheney successfully sought out FIVE deferments from the draft to avoid having to serve his country in the Vietnam War. Mr. Cheney's fifth and final deferment a result of his wife's becoming pregnant with Liz. Mr. Cheney was granted a 3A status, the hardship exemption by his draft board, which was available to men with children at that time."

FULL SEGMENT w/ RICHARD WOLFFE INTERVIEW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf__K-lYps0

[Lucy Goosey]

1. I love him. He knocked that out of the park. (n/t)

[Hissyspit]

17. Rachel Maddow's SEGMENT on Liz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj0EryINwOY

[Hissyspit]

61. Sgt. Dale Griffin

http://www.tribstar.com/local/local_story_303231655.html



Army Sgt. Dale Griffin, center, poses with his parents, Dona and Gene Griffin, in this undated family photo. Griffin, 29, was killed Oct. 27 by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan. He was, said one friend, a "free spirit." (Griffin Family/AP)

Published: October 30, 2009 11:16 pm

Sgt. Dale R. Griffin: 1980-2009 — ‘He wanted to make a difference’

Gene, Dona talk about life of son

By Arthur E. Foulkes
The Tribune-Star
TERRE HAUTE — It was earlier this month when U.S. Army Sgt. Dale Griffin, 29, last spoke with his mother on the telephone. He was calling from Afghanistan where he was serving as part of operation Enduring Freedom. It was not an ordinary call.

“He wanted to be sure that we knew how much he loved us,” said Dale’s mother, Dona, speaking in her southern Vigo County home Friday afternoon. In that conversation, Dale asked his mother why people always seem to have to lose something or someone before they realized what they had lost.

- snip -

Several hours later, just before midnight, Gene and Dona Griffin learned their son’s fate. There was a knock on the door of their home and two uniformed members of the U.S. military very compassionately broke the terrible news.

Sgt. Griffin’s body was flown from Afghanistan to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware and arrived early Thursday morning. Gene and Dona flew at the Army’s expense to Philadelphia late Wednesday and were driven to the base where they arrived around 12:30 a.m.

Prior to leaving for Dover, the Army gave the Griffin’s a document asking how much media coverage of their son’s arrival in the United States they would allow. They checked the third option, which was for essentially full media access.

“We wanted more people to know” how much each soldier had sacrificed, Dona Griffin said Friday. They had no idea how much that decision would affect their lives for the next 48 hours.

After arriving on the east coast, the Griffin’s received a telephone call to verify their decision regarding media coverage. They confirmed the decision and were then informed the President of the United States would be at the base for the transfer. Within a few hours, the Griffins met President Barack Obama and were able to speak with him briefly. Later, the president stood at attention as the caskets of all of the servicemen were carried from a military transport plane.

“I was glad to see that he made that choice,” Dona Griffin said of President Obama’s decision to meet with grieving families and stand at attention on a very cold and windy night at the air base.

- snip -

But Dale was also emotionally strong, always looking for ways to improve himself, his parents said. Through Army language school, he had recently become fairly fluent in Arabic and was learning a third language when he was killed. Once, when Dale was younger, Gene and Dona discovered a list he had written of things about himself he wanted to improve. Another time, after losing – based on a likely officiating error – an important sporting event, he handled the incident with dignity, Gene said. “That’s when we came up with the expression, ‘a trophy does not a champion make.’”

While serving in Afghanistan, Dale thought U.S. efforts were making a difference, he told his parents. He loved the Afghan people, especially children. He would ask his mother to send him crayons and paper that he could give to young Afghan children, Dona said. Dale was planning to seek a master’s degree and a law degree after leaving the Army, in which he served for just under four years.

“He was quite a young man,” Gene Griffin said, fighting back strong emotion Thursday at their home, the house in which Dale and his two brothers and sisters grew up as a closely knitted family.

“He wanted to make a difference,” Gene said. “And that’s what he’s doing.”

[Cha]

84. +1 Thanks for that article..

so sad but inspiring nevertheless.

[Farzan]

20. He did a surgically clean slice & dice job on that bitch.

[Don Davis]

27. On Obama's Dover Visit, Lawrence O’Donnell Kicks 'Cheney Ass' — Like Leon from 'Curb'

http://satiricalpolitical.com/2009/10/31/on-obamas-dover-visit-lawrence-odonnell-kicks-cheney-ass-like-leon-from-curb/

[goclark]

59. "Lil Lizzie was chopped liver on that one

Welcome to DU

[olegramps]

43. The Republicans have absolutely no shame.

I would feel offended if any Republican thought that they were really my good friend. They can be acquaintances who can be tolerated and I can associate with to a point, but never again my friend. When they bear allegiance to a party that has become nothing more than a fascistic cult of fundamentalists who are destroying the nation's unity they are neither my friend or a good citizen.

[Adsos Letter]

2. ...five deferments...five deferments...

That says it all for me, right there.

[Berry Cool]

9. Ah, but he had "other priorities."

Of course, I'm sure every soldier ever placed in a coffin had "other priorities" than dying in a war.

[saigon68]

41. Cheney's draft dodging was cowardice pure and simple

Some of us who went to that Hell Hole actually have sympathy for some who refused to be drafted for moral or religious reasons.


DRAFT DODGER CHENEY had no such compelling reasons other than cowardice and a desire to get ahead on the $$$$ and Power curve as soon as possible.

I compare him to a toilet full of Feces.

[SOS]

73. My friend served in Viet Nam in 1968.

He died in 2006.

I'll never forget how he said he had respect for his fellow soldiers and for those who actively opposed the war.

He had zero respect for the Dick Cheney and Ted Nugent types whose only action during that period was a cowardly effort to save their own ass.

[sellitman]

3. Thanks for posting.

Great job Mr O'Donnell!

[BobTheSubgenius]

4. I must take issue with O'Donnell.

Cheney feels NO shame whatsoever, about anything, any time. I can virtually guarantee it. That would imply a conscience and honest human emotions, none of which he has. Clearly.

[chervilant]

23. hmmm...

I have to agree. Cheney is almonst certainly an antisocial personality disorder, with narcissistic tendencies, evincing a complete lack of regard for the rights or feelings of other human beings and a consistent inability to take personal responsibility for his attitudes, behaviors, or personal choices.

Such a sad, sad little man--and, such a pathetic progeny falling not far from her father's foul effluvia.

[ejpoeta]

5. i like o'donnell. he is great. i just worry that keith has been gone all week

and hope his dad is ok.

[Berry Cool]

10. Keith was in the house Monday and Tuesday.

His absences Wednesday and Thursday can be chalked up to baseball. And he's been taking Fridays off a lot lately. So all may be stable.

[ejpoeta]

13. he was?? ok. I haven't been watching much lately... i have to put the kids to bed

and also I am having a hard time watching any of the cable news stuff because I am tired and have enough stress right now without wanting to throw things at the tv. I usually will flip around and see what is on... noticed o'donell the past few times.

[PatrynXX]

91. Well he hasn't been gone all week. But mostly.

Usually chalk up his absences to his dad being sick but then figured out the world series is running. Once upon a time World series was like the Superbowl. Now it's an afterthought in the media.

[Grimmjow]

6. The shame Cheney must feel?

I'm sorry, I have trouble believing the former VP would feel bad if he ran over a box of kittens.

[Hissyspit]

7. I think Lawrence's implication to his daughter is that Cheney SHOULD feel shame.

Whether he does or not.

[olegramps]

49. He wouldn't feel bad if he ran over a wagon full of tots. In fact , he would probably sneer.

[ihavenobias]

8. K & R n/t

[valerief]

11. O'Donnell is great here, as usual!

:applause:

[Nothing Without Hope]

12. Neither Cheney nor any of their backers feel any shame for anything

Nor do they require logic to support their assertions. Unfortunately, those who are vulnerable to their manipulations don't require logic, consistency, or much of anything else except hateful, fearful mob ranting and the modern equivalent of pitchforks and burning crosses.

[Grassy Knoll]

14. DICKhead Cheney sez " Liz, stop talking, yer losing suction "

atta girl, hummmmm

[BluDemocratGirl]

34. Look, everybody! It's Frick & Frack!

[Hubert Flottz]

39. Dicktor Evil and Mini Me?

[NoQuarter]

67. Win!

:applause:

[SeattleGirl]

15. I hope Darth Lizzy's ass is hurting after O'Donnell kicked it like

he did tonight.

I doubt it is, though. She's as cold and heartless as her freakazoid daddy.

[bleever]

16. It was a bravura performance, coming out of his own family experience.

I heartily add my appreciation.

[Nikki Stone1]

18. K & R--- BUSH NEVER WENT TO DOVER TO MEET INCOMING WAR DEAD--NEVER

Thank you for stating that Laurence!

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

19. Two rolls of duct tape

wrapped round Liz and Dick. Chug the jiz Liz.

Kinda a form of the * waterboarding, no?

a certain song comes to mind..
Lizzie Borden took an ax..

[bertman]

21. Rec and kick. Outstanding.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

22. "...what President Bush used to do was to it without the cameras..." EXCUSE ME???

That was always one of the most consistent criticisms leveled against Bush on DU (and rightfully so)...his use of the Military for props, backdrops and photo ops.

You can literally take everything this woman says, flip it upside down, and arrive at the truth.

Whatta MAROON. Dick must be SO proud.

[troubledamerican]

24. O'Donnell = Golden

I want The Lawrence O'Donnell Hour launched.

[lolly]

25. Liz "5th Deferment" Cheney

Oughta be how everyone refers to her when she appears in public.

[DinahMoeHum]

62. Agreed. "Little Miss 5th Deferment" may be even better

:evilfrown:

[Chorophyll]

69. Yes. Perfect. nt

[veganlush]

26. K & R..........n/t

[BREMPRO]

28. THAT was a well deserved SMACKDOWN of deferment dick.

set the facts strait and called out bush/cheney on their cowardliness and hypocrisy with cool righteous indignation. right on target O'donnell.

[Third Doctor]

29. O'Donnell needs his own show

how about they cancel the Dr. Nancy show and give the slot to him? Nah that's too early. Why not get rid of Matthews rerun and put him in the sot right before KO? I think Liz Cheney's remarks really hit him close to the mark, especially when his own family hadd to go through that ordeal and Cheney's of course has not.

[FarLeftFist]

30. She should never want to be seen in public ever again after that. That was serious.

[FarLeftFist]

31. I wish I could give it multiple recs.

[WyldRogue]

32. It does me proud....

... when I see a Democrat standing up and calling out the BS being thrown all over.


Thank you Mr. O'Donnell.

[opihimoimoi]

33. knr...TRUTH BURNS LIKE HYDROCLORIC ACID....she must feel like shit

[DFW]

37. I wish she did, doubt it, though

People like her (and her father), when caught in lies, shrug their shoulders, and move
on to the next lie, hoping for "better luck next time" in having it go undetected. It's
no skin off of her back, and, so far, at least, she acts like it.

[opihimoimoi]

78. Another sign of GOPia and its effects on REASON TRUTH and SANITY

The disease renders them MOOT w re to the above...they cannot see REALITY

Making them DELUSIONAL...as in BECK, BACHMANN, and PALIN....eom

[woodsprite]

45. Her last name is Cheney. She grows in shit. N/t

[YOY]

58. Since when have they ever let little things like facts or truth get in the way of their mission?

n/t

[opihimoimoi]

77. The Pubs have set the Standard for LYING CHEATIN and STEALIN

The GOPiac Masters???.....They are EVIL MFKRS....

[anniebelle]

35. I wish MSNBC would give Lawrence his own show.

How about instead of so many reruns of Tweety, we have an hour or Lawrence O'Donnell.

[impik]

36. I hate this bitch. She's such her father's daughter

[mwb970]

42. She is appallingly awful.

Just like a young Dick in drag. I cannot stand her! What a terrible person.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

38. Liz is going for the Bachmann title of most crazy comments, wow....

First it was Liz saying, " I think he won the award because he governs in a way the world likes, I don't think the American people want that." Now it's don't honor fallen soldiers, especially if it turns the tide of public opinion, wow big wow. It's a shame for Bachmann because she was doing so well in that area. Glad to see the Cheney family's comments are being addressed as one expert said that it was a co-ordinated plan to control President Obama's policy in the wars.

[indimuse]

40. "Pet attack DOG"

couldn't have said it better! KNR!!!

[robo50]

44. You tell here, Larry! What a sorry excuse for a chickenhawk coward father

she turned out to be!

[hippywife]

46. It doesn't matter what he said.

The people on the right won't see it and if any do, they won't believe it. That's the sadness that has come from the lies being told. They hold so firmly to them that people have no cause to think men in these positions would lie. This happens on both sides of the aisle, too, which makes it even sadder.

[mod mom]

47. OUCH! Go Lawrence!

[flyarm]

48. Most Excellent!!! great job Lawrence! eom

[MrsBrady]

50. husband and I saw this last night

we were applauding and yelling "woo hoo" in the living room.

[anachro1]

51. Give it up

Psychotics are incapable of experiencing shame.
The Cheneys DEMAND their Hitlerian moments.

[BetterThanNoSN]

52. photo ops?

Bush wouldn't use photo ops, no way, no how. But i hear had to do the Heimlich on him after choking down that plastic turkey!

[euphoria12leo]

53. I wish Lizzie was seated at a round table

with Lawrence O'Donnell so he could say it to her face, one time. Gawd, I hate that woman and her father. :grr:

But Lawrence :yourock:

[ejbr]

54. k & r n/t

[ejbr]

55. k & r n/t

[MH1]

56. 5 deferment requests vs. time in combat and being wounded

In the warped republican worldview, avoiding Vietnam by deferments was better (as in "more honorable") than serving and going home after being wounded. (3 times but oh yeah, one or two of those wasn't "bad enough" to count.)

These people disgust me.

[MNmom]

57. Why does the media give her so much air time????????????

She's never been an elected anything?

[GoCubsGo]

75. Because it's pretty much a guarantee she'll say crap like this

It gives them more controversy to monopolize their time so that they don't have to report on the real issues.

[DrZeeLit]

60. Excellent. I always enjoy O'Donnell. He seems to be picking up speed and confidence, taking shots

on his own, bringing his connections -- not just from the political world, but from his life -- to the broadcast.
I think people will warm to him even more, now that he's done his own "Special Comment."

I also want to send my heartfelt condolence to him on the loss of his cousin, Johnny. Mr. O'Donnell, we respect your loss and extend our love and support to you and your family. Thank you and them for his service and sacrifice.

[ScottLand]

63. The only reason Bush didn't want the cameras

was to keep the sight of returning coffins from making the war less popular with the American people. It wasn't out of respect for those families. As Mr. O'Donnell said, some of those families wanted them to be seen.

[disndat]

79. You've hit the nail on the head.

Liz tried to spin the cowardice of Bush into a virtue. Bush's refusal to meet the arrivals from Iraq to Dover air base and his placing the base as off limits to the press were among the worst of all the worse crimes he perpetrated on the American people during his illegitimate reign of power.

[Cha]

85. Of course, it was bush-cheney's dirty

little secret until all Hell Broke Loose.:nuke:

[logosoco]

64. Very well put, Mr. O'Donnell

Love the "...implies, I mean lies." That is the motto for the repubs and fox news!

[AngryOldDem]

65. Just a question:

Has anyone, EVER, called out Dick Cheney on all his deferments?

Liz Cheney literally makes me want to vomit. She probably owes her own sorry existence to the fact that Daddy was just too chickenshit to join up -- the man who now is the biggest warmonger since Genghis Khan.

And for her to outright LIE that Bush ever visited Dover -- no comment.

Again, another note to MSNBC: GIVE LAWRENCE O'DONNELL HIS OWN SHOW.

[Wetzelbill]

66. The Cheneys are loathsome people

You can go down the line with prominent Republicans or people you disagree with and find good things about them or at least understand their point of view. Dick and Liz Cheney are two of the few people who are so reprehensible that I can't find anyting redeeming about them, certainly not in the policies they advocate. The world would be a better place if they just disappeared in private life and let the rest of us undo the damage they've helped do to this country and world.

[Cha]

86. And, the world would be a much better place

without the corporate media that aided and abetted dick during those years and still continues to try and take out his cockroach factor..think john king for one example.

[lumpy]

93. Liz Cheney is just as reptilian as her mother, Lynne. A vituperous

trio of traitors without conscience.

[Chorophyll]

68. K&R

[Ruby the Liberal]

70. I was wrong

I watched this last night and thought it fell flat. I just watched it again, and today, can see the passion.

My apologies for the negative thread.

[bongbong]

71. Darth's fifth deferment

As documented in the NY Times, the Evil One's whore had Liz exactly 9 months and 5 days after the deferment for married with NO children was lifted (but the one for children was kept).

Imagine how cowardly the Evil One is. What a wretched, evil creature cheney is. I almost wish the mythology of heaven & hell existed just for him.

[anachro1]

74. Hell DOES exist

and it's situated right between Liz Cheney's flubbery thighs.

[democracy1st]

72. K & R

[Iggo]

76. Ouch! Fuck!

Stay down, Liz.

[BrklynLiberal]

80. Seeing Liz Cheney in this position brings up the question of whether evil is genetic or a result of

the environment in which one was raised...

[pitchforksandtorches]

81. MUST READ - More on Liz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Cheney
Elizabeth graduated from McLean High School in 1984. She received her bachelor's degree from Colorado College where she wrote her senior thesis, "The Evolution of Presidential War Powers," in 1988

http://www.slate.com/id/2210084/
By Zac Frank
Posted Thursday, Jan. 29, 2009, at 1:00 PM ET
In 1988, while Dick Cheney was Wyoming's sole representative in the House of Representatives, his daughter's senior thesis was quietly published in Colorado Springs. The 125-page treatise argued that, constitutionally and historically, presidents have virtually unchecked powers in war. Thirteen years before her father became vice president, she had symbolically authored the first legal memorandum of the Bush administration, laying out the same arguments that would eventually justify Guantanamo and extraordinary rendition, wiretapping of American citizens, and, broadly, the unitary theory of the executive that shaped the Bush presidency.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/12/730605/-Liz-Cheney:-White-House-siding-with-the-terrorists
The Cheney's don't fight the wars they start, they profit from them. It's not personal; it's business.

[Kajsa]

82. Mr. O'Donnell left no stone unturned,

and showed those lying bastards
what hypocritical scumbags they are, from a
first person perspective!!

Thank you, Mr. O'Donnell.

:applause:

K&R

[Cha]

83. Thanks for the transcript, Hissy!

O'Donnell pretty much covered all the angles of the "pet attack dog's" LIES!:bounce:

I bet cheney was seething & Sneering when he heard that.

[WinkyDink]

87. O'Donnell's mistake is in thinking words---his and especially their own---mean anything to "them"..

ANY Republican.

Words are JUST TO MANIPULATE THE MASSES, PERIOD.

[L0oniX]

88. K & R

[Skittles]

89. I LOVE IT

SLAM THESE FUCKING CHICKENHAWKS :thumbsup:

[earcandle]

90. she is seeking press ops because dick cheney is becoming an obsolesent clod.

for Cheney

[jeanmarc]

92. The part I hate about Liz Cheney the most is...

How chummy the press corps seems to be with her. They are on such cordial terms while she viciously lies about things that deserve not just a shunning, but a clear punch in the nose. There is nothing decent about her.